Here it is, the actual Complaint filed by Dominion Voting Machines against Sydney Powell

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

8 hours ago, SUZNV said:

3 Evidence was released to the public with Hunter Biden case. Mainstream didn't support any of it. Fox news was the only one didn't cut his ex-partner  on live in the last debate. Who would protect the sworn witnesses if the court not pick it up for trails? It is not uncommon for a big guy to bring a smaller guy to court and win not by arguments or evidence but by bankrupting their opponent with the lawyers or court fees, in any fair justice system. 

 

8 hours ago, SUZNV said:

US mainstream does not represent US public. I don't know about Brazilian mainstream because I never lived there to have my onion about Brazilian mainstream vs their public. A large portion of US public doesn't trust mainstream. They are surely not represent public. The non-mainstream will be called by mainstream conspiracy theory. That is how much of the current state of freedom of speech.

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-growing-distrust-of-media-among-americans/

But trust me on this, any country people vote accordingly to their large news corporations, then they are the one who are easily manipulated. It is never a fair game between professional politician or mainstream vs individual who don't invest their time in politics and rely on someone to break things down, filtered it and feed them piece by piece. If conspiracy theories are what mainstream not supported, then the freedom of speech is a way to ensure conspiracy theories exists.

The above statements seem conflicting. Either MSM can sway opinon or they cannot. 

I have a hard time accepting that there wouldn't some militant proud boy type organization that would offer protection to anybody that could keep Donald Trump in office. 

[SUZNV + 1,197]

8 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

 

1 The above statements seem conflicting. Either MSM can sway opinon or they cannot. 

2 I have a hard time accepting that there wouldn't some militant proud boy type organization that would offer protection to anybody that could keep Donald Trump in office. 

1

It is not about: all or none. 30% of public opinion trust mainstream can make mainstream .. mainstream. Because they offer 1 theme compares to other 70% (many many themes, freedom of speech/thinking, individualism make that).

Mainstream can sway a portion of public opinion who depends on mainstream  "specialists and professional journalisms" to help them digest the news or even to rely on mainstream to "re-cap", a chance for mainstream to deflect or correct their inconsistency, no one border to look up the old news and rely on search engine to do that. And in the worst case, it is the specialists who were wrong, not mainstream . People go for  mainstream simply because of the philosophy :"they are big, then they are reliable" and if they say something wrongs, then their would be someone will expose that. But then:

Many real specialists disagrees on some problems, but because mainstream can select the specialists to fit their agenda.  Most of specialists don't border to waste time explain details to stranger or debate online. The other disagreeing specialists would hope they have enough people who bother to  go their social networks for alternative views, side streams, and in many case "conspiracy theory" and may facing "fake news" tag.

So: gradually mainstream followers will believe others are under influence of conspiracy theories (some are quite interesting and logical, most are wild).

I found that young people are prone to these more as they don't have much experiences with politicians, mainstream and always more worry about their life after graduation. Other are immigrants who don't understand US individualism or religions or they don't have the freedom of speech where they came from so they depend on mainstream as a habit.  Secondly people who are tend to very emotional ( woman tend to be more in this, and gays, can be very kind people but emotional).

A another portion of public don't trust mainstream but they promote mainstream theme as they believe they will benefit from this, either stocks, social welfare, or the companies they are working with.

When I was in welfare when I lost my first job, I have to choose between feeling I was struggling to maintain a living from other kindness (miserable thinking) and feeling that I deserve all of that as a resident, this is my right (cheerful thinking).

2 I don't think many people would sacrifice their time  form job or colleges or jobs searching and families to do that, as you are on the defensive side this will take more time. And by protection, you risk your life or you may go to jail if things goes wrong . If they do have lots of time, then they would be on welfare (if they are physically for the protection), which should be more attracted to more government regulations and power. And why should the one need protected trust the one come to their house and say we will protect you. Have lots time and rich won't do this jobs and not many people in this category.

Edited January 14, 2021 by SUZNV

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

On 1/13/2021 at 6:09 AM, Geoff Guenther said:

Given that every ballot is backed up on paper and, in Georgia at least, each and every one of those paper ballots was also counted by hand, my money would be on the fact that the software and hardware solution is secure and sound. This would take us back to, if there were any election rigging whatsoever, it had to have happened before the ballots were input into any system.

So far no one has been able to show any place where there is a serious security breach in any of the 50 states, in early voting, voting by mail, or day-of election voting. There has been sporatic illegal voting, such as two Republican voters in Pennsylvania that voted twice, and those are being prosecuted.

I think Dominion is trying to show that their processes and systems are so tamper-proof that digital is the way of the future.

You want to know what's damning? That after unanimous legislative vote, allowing Pulitzer to forensically examine the ballots, they were shredded! Maricopa county election supervisors have refused to allow the dominion machines to be forensically examined, after multiple orders to do so. If there's nothing to hide, why all the hiding? You know the answer but your TDS and cognitive dissonance won't let you look without a jaundiced eye. 

You can't even explain, and haven't even tried how Biden is the most popular candidate in history while losing more counties than every candidate in history. You refuse to acknowledge the simultaneous shut down of counting that happened across 6 states that was announced live on every channel! Don't point to politi"fake" to claim it wasn't so, there are literally thousands of recordings that dispute their lies. 

Is this a massive conspiracy involving over a hundred thousand true believers like you and worse? People who know it's wrong but are so programmed to believe Trump is literally Hitler that every means justifies the end of getting him out of office? Clear thinkers know the answer but the blind remain blind. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

You want to know what's damning? That after unanimous legislative vote, allowing Pulitzer to forensically examine the ballots, they were shredded! Maricopa county election supervisors have refused to allow the dominion machines to be forensically examined, after multiple orders to do so. If there's nothing to hide, why all the hiding? You know the answer but your TDS and cognitive dissonance won't let you look without a jaundiced eye. 

You can't even explain, and haven't even tried how Biden is the most popular candidate in history while losing more counties than every candidate in history. You refuse to acknowledge the simultaneous shut down of counting that happened across 6 states that was announced live on every channel! Don't point to politi"fake" to claim it wasn't so, there are literally thousands of recordings that dispute their lies. 

Is this a massive conspiracy involving over a hundred thousand true believers like you and worse? People who know it's wrong but are so programmed to believe Trump is literally Hitler that every means justifies the end of getting him out of office? Clear thinkers know the answer but the blind remain blind. 

Hey @Ward Smith.  You are trying to convince a guy from Scotland, a country with a population of just under 5.5 million with just over 4 million voters.  According to the following article, you probably would be better off trying to convince a tortoise:

US election: Scots have 'scathing' view of Donald Trump's time as president

They also have their own share of scandals.  And what scandals they have been!

The political scandals that have rocked Holyrood during 20 years of devolution

The point is, I don't think our friend Geoff will ever be convinced by anything you or anyone else from the U.S. might ever say to him or whatever evidence you might trot out in front of him.  He doesn't want to believe. 

Scottish nationalists’ biggest worry is policy, not scandal

Scotland’s Leaders Are Using Independence to Distract From Scandal

So, in essence, I think you are beating a dead horse and our friend Geoff is sitting back and having a laugh.  Geoff deserves to be ignored, not convinced, because he just doesn't care what the facts are.  The epitome of Orange Man Bad and give me socialism or give me death.

IMHO

Edited January 14, 2021 by Dan Warnick

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

You want to know what's damning? That after unanimous legislative vote, allowing Pulitzer to forensically examine the ballots, they were shredded! Maricopa county election supervisors have refused to allow the dominion machines to be forensically examined, after multiple orders to do so. If there's nothing to hide, why all the hiding? You know the answer but your TDS and cognitive dissonance won't let you look without a jaundiced eye. 

You can't even explain, and haven't even tried how Biden is the most popular candidate in history while losing more counties than every candidate in history. You refuse to acknowledge the simultaneous shut down of counting that happened across 6 states that was announced live on every channel! Don't point to politi"fake" to claim it wasn't so, there are literally thousands of recordings that dispute their lies. 

Is this a massive conspiracy involving over a hundred thousand true believers like you and worse? People who know it's wrong but are so programmed to believe Trump is literally Hitler that every means justifies the end of getting him out of office? Clear thinkers know the answer but the blind remain blind. 

That is quite interesting, county election officials denying state legislatures access to the voting machines. 

From what I have been able to gather county officials are concerned about privacy rights. It would seem these machines have personal information on each vote. Which in turn would mean voter registrations could be audited.

It also apparent the judges want no part of such matters. Personally I cannot understand why a judge would not make a ruling on the legality of state legislatures issuing and performing on subpoenas. Either they do or they do not.

It would seem quite obvious county's abide by legislative law, but not subpoenas? Far to many opinions and very little law being played out here, and to what end?

Edited January 14, 2021 by Eyes Wide Open

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

You can't even explain, and haven't even tried how Biden is the most popular candidate in history while losing more counties than every candidate in history.

It's actually pretty easy to explain. Biden isn't the most popular candidate in history, nor would he ever claim to be. Negative partisanship defines America right now. Trump is, quite simply, the most hated candidate in history. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

23 hours ago, Boat said:

Let’s go back to the 60+ lawsuits that the court rejected. Right leaning brilliant lawyers should be able to dig out any injustice, go on tv and present their case. The right has billions as do the left to demand exposure. Why isn’t that happening unless election fraud is just that. 
Why can’t Ward with his vast array of evidence get the time of day in court when in theory he or those like him have an entire party at his disposal. 
This voter fraud has become like proving god or aliens. A lot of belief but little you can prove. I am not against faith in stuff but personally I need to see it to believe it. 

Every. Single. Case. Was. Dismissed. On. Procedural. Grounds.

Just because you're either unable or unwilling to understand my simple English, I can't and won't continue wasting time repeating myself. Look up what procedural grounds means. I just met with a retired prosecutor this week and we discussed this in detail. Standing. Laches. Mootness. Look it the hell up and quit sounding like an ignoramus. 

Your fantasy that this could be discussed "on TV" assumes they'd get a fairer trial on Clinton News Network, MSDNC or which other of the 100% left leaning media? Even Faux News has swallowed the blue pill, as the stupid children have taken over daddy's company and are rapidly driving it into the ground. You can't make this stuff up, Fox used to run circles around all the other cable news outlets, beating their ratings combined. Now they are solidly in dead last. They abandoned their viewers and the viewers returned the favor. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

22 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

When Trump's legal teams went to court they didn't even claim fraud to the court they just claimed that for the cameras. The storyline where evidence wasn't allowed to be presented doesn't makes sense.

If Giuliani had evidence of fraud/shenanigans then make a fraud claim in court and not just in front of cameras.

To my knowledge Trump's team never made a single claim in court to submit evidence for. A court won't allow evidence of a crime if you don't claim there is a crime in the first place.

Occam's razor is having a field day.

All you're doing is proving you don't understand law. Look up the difference between Tort and Civil to start. Get back to me after you've done your homework and I can explain further. Skip the homework and I needn't bother

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

1 hour ago, Geoff Guenther said:

It's actually pretty easy to explain. Biden isn't the most popular candidate in history, nor would he ever claim to be. Negative partisanship defines America right now. Trump is, quite simply, the most hated candidate in history. 

I get it, you're ether not very intelligent or you want people to think you're not very smart. But Biden is claiming to be the most popular candidate in history, against all evidence to the contrary. Hating Trump didn't make tens of millions of people who have never voted before rush out to vote for Biden only in a few select cities. Smart people can see right thru this, dumb people are… like you I guess. 

[Symmetry + 109]

@Ward Smith

So how is Dominion responsible?  Do you think the source code has malicious subroutines built in?  Or was the software manipulated by someone external to the company?

Unless the source code is corrupt her claims are defamation.

You can't call Ford trucks crap just because a drunk driver ran over a pedestrian with one.  User error.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Symmetry

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Look up the difference between Tort and Civil to start.

Thats a bit of a trick statement, Tort and Civil can be the same thing, so can Criminal and Tort. Tort just refers to twisted behavior. It still doesn't change the fact that in order for a court to pay attention to any claim, Criminal, Tort or Civil, you have to state both what your complaint/claim is against another party and how you are going to prove your claim.

All initial filings use language like "we will prove the defendant... bla bla bla" usually followed by examples of when, why how, "we have documentation that proves... bla bla bla". You've gotta have both a complaint and some kind of explanation on how you will back up your claims or no court's going to bother.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Strangelovesurfing

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

2 hours ago, Symmetry said:

@Ward Smith

So how is Dominion responsible?  Do you think the source code has malicious subroutines built in?  Or was the software manipulated by someone external to the company?

Unless the source code is corrupt her claims are defamation.

You can't call Ford trucks crap just because a drunk driver ran over a pedestrian with one.  User error.

Dominion is responsible, their CTO bragged on tape that there was no way Trump would get reelected, he had made sure of it! That doesn't sound legit does it? Sure would be nice to have that play in a court of law wouldn't it? But every court is terrified of being the one to overturn an election (flawed though it certainly was). 

All 270 pages of Powell's filings have been put on line, for all to read. I've posted the link here, you're welcome to examine it. It goes into some detail, and the aforementioned "feature" of fractional votes was in their freaking manual until people started pointing out the idiocy of that. Are we returning to the democrat heaven of slaves counting for 3/5ths of a person? 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

2 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Thats a bit of a trick statement, Tort and Civil can be the same thing, so can Criminal and Tort. Tort just refers to twisted behavior. It still doesn't change the fact that in order for a court to pay attention to any claim, Criminal, Tort or Civil, you have to state both what your complaint/claim is against another party and how you are going to prove your claim.

All initial filings use language like "we will prove the defendant... bla bla bla" usually followed by examples of when, why how, "we have documentation that proves... bla bla bla". You've gotta have both a complaint and some kind of explanation on how you will back up your claims or no court's going to bother.

You're on the right track but President Trump is in a whole different category than candidate Trump hence the tort, versus civil versus Criminal distinction. In point of fact, the fraud is Criminal, but it would have the appearance of an incumbent bullying his opponent if he goes after him criminally. That didn't stop Obama, but he knew he had a thoroughly compliant media and totally corrupted FBI and other actors to do the dirty work. What happened to the special prosecutor on that? Crickets sadly, because Barr himself was always Deep State. That report is going to be deep sixed in the deepest darkest memory hole in history. There's a lot of things that are going to be buried now, the criminals are running the govt. This is why they had to cheat. 4 more years of Trump, and an Attorney General with courage and heads would roll left and right. Those heads went all in on the fraud. Welcome to banana republic USA 

[Symmetry + 109]

2 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

 It goes into some detail, and the aforementioned "feature" of fractional votes was in their freaking manual until people started pointing out the idiocy of that. Are we returning to the democrat heaven of slaves counting for 3/5ths of a person? 

All votes are not of equal importance in the Republic.  It's in the USA's freaking "manual." 

If anything people in the large Democrat states like California are underrepresented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#/media/File:US_2010_Census_State_Population_Per_Electoral_Vote.png 

 

 

 

[SUZNV + 1,197]

I could think of many reasons for this law suit from Dominion:

1 Try to bankrupt her with law suit. I am more worry does she have enough money to keep up because money from other side is unlimited.

2 Want to keep Powell to occupy with this lawsuit so she has less resources in exposing the election problem. 

3 Intimidate any whistle blowers or witnesses.

Most of the cases like this would end up no where unless the weaker side got out of money. I cannot see how ex prosecutor would AGRO a monster  without a shield to defend herself. 

It is not a wishful thinking but from the action of Dem of chasing after Trump and his team instead of ignore them all, I have a theory (conspiracy you can call it) that Dem really worry that Trump (or one of his team member or his offspring) would come back in 2024 and now he is in the offensive side. Most of cases in courts will need lots of time. Dem won the battle but the war is still on and most America see the size of the swamp, we cannot see it without Trump and Covid19.

Pros:

1 Trump handed the economy with the record stock prices and you couldn't blame the 2 stimulus packages with that "joy to the world" on him. Plus the lockdown were given out by Governor or Mayor.

2 Most of people can see the size of the swamp right now, vote for Trump or not. Dem has both President and House and  Senate for at least next 2 years, who can they blame in poor economic performance and unemployment or broken promises when Trumps' gone? 

3 I doubt next 4 years the Economy would be as good and no pandemic will give less room for cheating. Many people who never voted will be dragged to this war as well and go vote in person.

4 People will less rely on Mainstream or big tech social networks and lean more on the side stream. Actually I am curious that what news topic can Mainstream have after Trump's gone.  They cannot fill the void by sing  for Biden or China.

Cons:

The growing of the cheating system get bigger after every election. Vote by mail maybe will be the new normal.

Edited January 15, 2021 by SUZNV

[Boat + 1,324]

16 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Hey @Ward Smith.  You are trying to convince a guy from Scotland, a country with a population of just under 5.5 million with just over 4 million voters.  According to the following article, you probably would be better off trying to convince a tortoise:

US election: Scots have 'scathing' view of Donald Trump's time as president

They also have their own share of scandals.  And what scandals they have been!

The political scandals that have rocked Holyrood during 20 years of devolution

The point is, I don't think our friend Geoff will ever be convinced by anything you or anyone else from the U.S. might ever say to him or whatever evidence you might trot out in front of him.  He doesn't want to believe. 

Scottish nationalists’ biggest worry is policy, not scandal

Scotland’s Leaders Are Using Independence to Distract From Scandal

So, in essence, I think you are beating a dead horse and our friend Geoff is sitting back and having a laugh.  Geoff deserves to be ignored, not convinced, because he just doesn't care what the facts are.  The epitome of Orange Man Bad and give me socialism or give me death.

IMHO

Dan, that’s what politics is all about. Before anyone examines one shread of evidence on an issue it’s guaranteed to be controversial an labeled. The typical MSM will be blamed by both sides. Calls for isolation run rampant. 
 

[Boat + 1,324]

6 hours ago, SUZNV said:

I could think of many reasons for this law suit from Dominion:

1 Try to bankrupt her with law suit. I am more worry does she have enough money to keep up because money from other side is unlimited.

2 Want to keep Powell to occupy with this lawsuit so she has less resources in exposing the election problem. 

3 Intimidate any whistle blowers or witnesses.

Most of the cases like this would end up no where unless the weaker side got out of money. I cannot see how ex prosecutor would AGRO a monster  without a shield to defend herself. 

It is not a wishful thinking but from the action of Dem of chasing after Trump and his team instead of ignore them all, I have a theory (conspiracy you can call it) that Dem really worry that Trump (or one of his team member or his offspring) would come back in 2024 and now he is in the offensive side. Most of cases in courts will need lots of time. Dem won the battle but the war is still on and most America see the size of the swamp, we cannot see it without Trump and Covid19.

Pros:

1 Trump handed the economy with the record stock prices and you couldn't blame the 2 stimulus packages with that "joy to the world" on him. Plus the lockdown were given out by Governor or Mayor.

2 Most of people can see the size of the swamp right now, vote for Trump or not. Dem has both President and House and  Senate for at least next 2 years, who can they blame in poor economic performance and unemployment or broken promises when Trumps' gone? 

3 I doubt next 4 years the Economy would be as good and no pandemic will give less room for cheating. Many people who never voted will be dragged to this war as well and go vote in person.

4 People will less rely on Mainstream or big tech social networks and lean more on the side stream. Actually I am curious that what news topic can Mainstream have after Trump's gone.  They cannot fill the void by sing  for Biden or China.

Cons:

The growing of the cheating system get bigger after every election. Vote by mail maybe will be the new normal.

Maybe the election was not fraudulent. The grand conspiracy almost as big as religion and 👽. If your wrong and the court says the election was fair and the machines performed adequately your credibility/Trumps credibility/Most Republican credibility will be trashed.

Voting by mail or by the internet 100% should be perused. Asking people to go outside when it can be avoided is stupid. To say wanting to vote safely is cheating is fundamentally ignorant. 
It’s obvious your not an American patriot where the Golden rule reins. Fortunately most Republicans I have known would never go to crazy town like you have. 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

Since I started this thread, and since it has gotten seriously weird, I shall step back in to attempt to explain a few basics, mostly for the benefit of the non-US readers here  (I should know better than to attempt this, but hey, lost causes are a sub-specialty of mine).  Readers might keep i9n mind that I am a lot closer to the involved players than you might suspect;  discretion keeps me from saying more. 

In the US, the "legal system" is divided into two broad categories:  criminal justice, and civil claims for money damages and, occasionally, injunctive relief. The criminal justice system works (today) only on Statutory Law:  to be convicted of a criminal charge, a specific Statute has to be written and the Statute has to be specific, so that it passes muster with the Constitution.  Where a criminal charge is statutorily written to be ambiguous or vague, then the US Supreme Court can and likely would declare the Statute "unconstitutionally vague" and it would be vacated. 

The individual US States also have their own Constitutions, and some of them provide citizen protections that are more stringent than even the US Constitution.  For those cases in State Law, the State Supreme Court will be the arbiter of cases where the criminal complaint is unconstitutionally vague.  For example, Vermont is about to pass an Amendment to its State Constitution that outlaws slavery and indenture, and protects as an inalienable right the access to abortion.  If you scour the US Constitution, it does not provide for a constitutional protection against involuntary servitude  (indenture), nor for abortion, nor even for engaging in homosexual acts.  The Instrument is silent. 

Thus for example, if you are found by a policeman engaging in a homosexual act, and that is violative of some State Law  (as it is in Georgia), then the policeman can arrest you.  The US Constitution does not protect you, neither on privacy grounds nor any other grounds, as the Original Instrument did not contemplate a situation where society would evolve to the point where homosexual acts would be shrugged at.  There has been a recent case in Georgia of such an arrest, although the local prosecutor declined to pursue the matter.  The defendant then pursued the matter seeking a Ruling, it went to the US Supreme Court, and the Ruling was, Sorry, no constitutional protection, they can put you in jail of they want to.  Oh, well. 

Over on the civil court side, civil cases are mostly State Court cases.  Under Article III of the Federal (US) Constitution, US District Court civil cases are limited to where there is complete diversity of jurisdiction of the parties to the case, or where there is an Original Jurisdiction component that invokes Federal Courts.  For example, if you are in Nebraska and the party you are suing is in New York, and the amount of damages sought is specified as over the threshold limit of $75,000, then you can claim access to the federal courts (The US District Court). Alternatively, if you do not meet that test but are specifying in your Complaint that there is a specific Federal Statute that you are invoking as jurisdictional grounds, then you also have access to the Federal Courts.  For example, if you are suing a policeman for beating you up, then you can file a claim under Title 42, Section 1983, which provides access to the Federal Courts for matters where a state actor injures you under color of law  (a fancy way of saying that they acted against you using a claim of state authority, which a policeman would have.  But so would an animal control officer who wrongfully seized your dog.)  This law was originally passed in 1877 as part of the Civil War Reconstruction period, it sat disused in the dust of history for most of the 20th Century, then some smart minority students who got scholarships to Harvard discovered the old law, and brought it back to life with a vengeance.  Today some 10% of all Federal cases are brought unde3r Sec. 1983.   Who knew?

Civil cases fall into two broad categories: claims on contract (i.e. breach of contract), and claims for injurious conduct, or in "tort".  Typically cases will have both tort and contract breach claims, and Judges struggle to keep a lid on it.  If a case sounds in contract then typically the supplemental tort claims will get tossed out, mostly to simplify matters for the Judge.  If you don't much like it (as a plaintiff) then you could appeal to a higher court of review, but that typically goes nowhere. 

Claims in tort sound in aggrievement.  The plaintiff has to show real aggrievement, a real harm and wrong, before a court will consider it.  The reason is that the courts are not there to be debating societies; if you just want to sound off, then go get yourself a milk crate and stand on it in the public park and sound off to passersby, or go write letters to some newspaper, or go hold a demonstration in Washington if you like.  The Court requires that you have some real injury. 

Dominion Voting Machines declares that it has suffered real injuries, both to reputation and to sales or the prospect of future sales.  It does not have a contract with Ms. Powell, but can claim that Ms. Powell has defamed the reputation of the company and its products, so it sues in tort.  Such suits in the State system require a careful recitation of the factual basis for the claims; this is known as "fact pleading."  In the Federal Courts, the standard is to plead so as to put the defendants on Notice as to the nature and substance of the claims, and this is known as Notice Pleading. 

Where this went off the rails in in the famous case of Ashcroft v. Iqbal.  John Ashcroft, readers will recall, was a politician from I think Missouri, who became the (Republican) candidate for Senator in an election against the (I think) Governor, Mel Carnahan, in 2000, the year that George W. Bush ran for President against Al Gore.  A few weeks before the election, Carnahan was killed in an airplane crash, and there was no time to put another candidate on the ballot, so it was Ashcroft versus a dead man.  The voters elected Carnahan, despite being dead.  Ashcroft was thus the Senator who was defeated by a corpse, not exactly a sterling commendation.

As a consolation prize, George handed the position of Attorney General I think it was to John Ashcroft.  Ashcroft was remarkably incompetent in that role, and presided over all manner of egregious abuses after the plane crashes on 9.11.2001.  A nobody from the Middle East, Mr. Iqbal, was arbitrarily picked up, deported, and ended up is some Egyptian prison, where he was beaten half to death.  Iqbal then ended up in some "Deep State" prison in Romania run by the CIA, and beaten up some more.  After several years, he was released because there was nothing against him.  To no surprise, he sued for damages and wrongful imprisonment. 

That case went to various Courts and eventually to the US Supreme Court, where some ridiculous Judges ruled that since the Complaint did not specify with particularity the exact steps that Ashcroft had taken to institute the false imprisonment and the beatings, it would be dismissed for being vague.  Thus the Federal Courts shifted from Notice Pleading to Fact Pleading, although it is not a fact-pleading court.  John Ashcroft's great contribution to the development of US law was that now the federal authorities, being basically anybody in the Deep State, could go beat the hell out of you for years on end and do it with impunity...What a hero that guy is.  Just lovely. 

With this backdrop, Dominion  (now owned by a US hedge fund, the Canadians having sold the company a few years ago) hired the roughest, toughest lawyers it could find and are going after their tormentors. And that is how we get to the enormously detailed, "fact pleading" Complaint that I had posted. 

Trust this explains.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Jan van Eck
typing error

[SUZNV + 1,197]

3 hours ago, Boat said:

1 Maybe the election was not fraudulent. The grand conspiracy almost as big as religion and 👽. If your wrong and the court says the election was fair and the machines performed adequately your credibility/Trumps credibility/Most Republican credibility will be trashed.

2 Voting by mail or by the internet 100% should be perused. Asking people to go outside when it can be avoided is stupid. To say wanting to vote safely is cheating is fundamentally ignorant. 

3 It’s obvious your not an American patriot where the Golden rule reins. Fortunately most Republicans I have known would never go to crazy town like you have. 

1 So how do you explain more people voted for Trump than 2016 and Biden has the least record counties he won? And the shifting live at midnight at some important states only? Shouldn't any crime discover by observation of some unusual pattern, then get investigated? Many criminals go free along with many innocents go to prison. The Court's only meaning is to minimize these number. of there is a  trial, no more no less.

2 Vote by internet? Surely you don't have a tech background or have an agenda to encourage election fraud, patriot! No id verification required but IP addresses? Or a fraudulent can be blamed by the software or user mishandling? Encouraging ballots harvesting?

No one force you go outside if you are too scared but your personal safety concern is nothing compares to a nation election's integrity. No system is un hackable, especially with the helps from the people from the inside and ID verification is fundamental to prove that you are still alive and you have the right to vote. It limits the room for cheating.

3 One condition when you apply for US Citizenship: you are ready to pick up a gun and fight for America if required. Fear the unknowing is limitless and it is the tool for any dictatorship. If you are too fear to go out for voting, then you shouldn't vote at all, patriot!

You are right. I don't consider myself a patriot by the way, because I have a choice of where to live (Although my first name is closed to patriot meaning, I have multiple citizenships so I have gone beyond that self-reflection. I am a coward who settled in other countries to enjoy the freedom rather than stay in my birth place and  argue online about democracy and risked  facing retaliation as there was no freedom of speech there) . 

 I don't intend to harm any country I have citizenship, especially where I am living and giving me lots of opportunities.  I am sick of "patriot" American Politicians with event of Benghazi or  second stimulus in difficult time, from American people's tax, for some problems about gender in other countries, or even for wildlife, with 5,593 pages reading in 2 hours and congress still passed them instead just pass the relief to the much needed US people first.

Many politicians surely lead by example about Patriotism, some of them have more than 30 years in politics. The tycoon like Trump sacrifice more when entering politics last 4 years. His business is about luxury hotel and golf courts, by entering politics, he sacrifice half of his customers for the middle class + 4 years of Dem and Mainstream harassments him and his family. He proved he is a patriot with his sacrifices.

What other Politicians, who have salary to perform their duty correctly but somehow become rich very fast, sacrifice anything? I doubt half of them can earn that much if not entering politics. 

What is the voters who wish to conveniently click mouse button from home sacrifice more than voters who went out and risk their lives for voting? Is the convenience  of maintaining American Democracy by sitting home and do some mouse clicks for elections with a blind trust that it will be fair  where the Golden rule reins? It is so easy  for some American people to consider themselves patriot nowadays.

Edited January 15, 2021 by SUZNV

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^^^

I know very little of the law; however, Ms. Powell is a member of the bar in the state of Texas, where any voting apparatus has to be approved by the Secretary of State and the Attorney General. Ken Paxton, who is the latter, stated on television and in a lawsuit that Texas had looked at the Dominion Voting Machines on three (3) separate occasions and that they had been shown to be susceptible to unauthorized manipulation. 

I am completely ignorant about how much of these findings the AG can share with Ms. Powell, but knowing the Texas mentality as I do, I suspect their records will become an open book . . . and they should, as they're public record paid for by the taxpayer dollar. Additionally, Ms. Powell is a former federal prosecutor in the central district of Texas. Due to this juxtaposition of circumstances, I would think that Ms. Powell would have immediate access to the best expert opinions money can buy, and knows unequivocally at this point that the machines weren't/aren't trustworthy.  

Texas is no stranger to concerns about voting machines. The Diebold machines--almost humanoid with their smug Orwellian confidence--were accused of altering the votes in the 2004 election of Geo. W. Bush. After going through the Diebold controversy, the State of Texas was understandably wary of any mechanical voting wanker (look it up if you aren't familiar with the term). 😉

I'm no techie (obviously), but I doubt there's a voting machine made that could escape the wizardry of say Stephen Wozniac, the co-founder of Apple. Woz, possessing the gleeful duo persona of innovator and prankster, began at an early age, hacking into the U. of Colo. computer and sending prank messages over it (which got him kicked out). Unsurprisingly, Woz isn't talking in public about this recent election of so much angst, but I would imagine there are plenty of computer wizards out there who could take a Dominion machine and make it beg for mercy--i.e., develop the Stockholm Syndrome and do whatever was asked of it. 

Ms. Powell is colorful and eccentric, but probably no lunatic. In her remarks lurked the knowledge gleaned by several forensic experts hired by the state of Texas. I think she was so confident she would get a chance to show it off in court that she could make these outrageous comments and eventually become vindicated by the facts. The courts declined . . . even the august court of courts, the Supreme Court. 

Well, it looks like Ms. Powell may finally get the chance to show this stuff in court. Unless the Texas lawsuit that was put forth desperately to the Supreme Court--decent enough that an additional dozen states signed on--was full of flatus and moonbeams, Ms. Powell can show the soft underbelly of the Dominion machine. And I don't think she'll have to ask for a forensic examination--she already has one.

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1 hour ago, SUZNV said:

1 So how do you explain more people voted for Trump than 2016 and Biden has the least record counties he won? And the shifting live at midnight at some important states only? Shouldn't any crime discover by observation of some unusual pattern, then get investigated? Many criminals go free along with many innocents go to prison. The Court's only meaning is to minimize these number. of there is a  trial, no more no less.

2 Vote by internet? Surely you don't have a tech background or have an agenda to encourage election fraud, patriot! No id verification required but IP addresses? Or a fraudulent can be blamed by the software or user mishandling? Encouraging ballots harvesting?

No one force you go outside if you are too scared but your personal safety concern is nothing compares to a nation election's integrity. No system is un hackable, especially with the helps from the people from the inside and ID verification is fundamental to prove that you are still alive and you have the right to vote. It limits the room for cheating.

3 One condition when you apply for US Citizenship: you are ready to pick up a gun and fight for America if required. Fear the unknowing is limitless and it is the tool for any dictatorship. If you are too fear to go out for voting, then you shouldn't vote at all, patriot!

You are right. I don't consider myself a patriot by the way, because I have a choice of where to live (Although my first name is closed to patriot meaning, I have multiple citizenships so I have gone beyond that self-reflection. I am a coward who settled in other countries to enjoy the freedom rather than stay in my birth place and  argue online about democracy and risked  facing retaliation as there was no freedom of speech there) . 

 I don't intend to harm any country I have citizenship, especially where I am living and giving me lots of opportunities.  I am sick of "patriot" American Politicians with event of Benghazi or  second stimulus in difficult time, from American people's tax, for some problems about gender in other countries, or even for wildlife, with 5,593 pages reading in 2 hours and congress still passed them instead just pass the relief to the much needed US people first.

Many politicians surely lead by example about Patriotism, some of them have more than 30 years in politics. The tycoon like Trump sacrifice more when entering politics last 4 years. His business is about luxury hotel and golf courts, by entering politics, he sacrifice half of his customers for the middle class + 4 years of Dem and Mainstream harassments him and his family. He proved he is a patriot with his sacrifices.

What other Politicians, who have salary to perform their duty correctly but somehow become rich very fast, sacrifice anything? I doubt half of them can earn that much if not entering politics. 

What is the voters who wish to conveniently click mouse button from home sacrifice more than voters who went out and risk their lives for voting? Is the convenience  of maintaining American Democracy by sitting home and do some mouse clicks for elections with a blind trust that it will be fair  where the Golden rule reins? It is so easy  for some American people to consider themselves patriot nowadays.

My example. In the state of Texas you must register first. This requires your address, Signature and SS number. Then a copy of your drivers licence. A witness of your signature is required. 
Then in the mail your registration arrives by mail.  You still have to register no matter what and be subject to verification.

In my case, due to a virus the year before I got pneumonia, a light heart attack and suffered lung damage. But because I was 63 and not 65 I could not vote by mail.

Of course that is Texas bull shut denying me a safe way to vote. 
I paid my taxes for 44 years and did not create the virus. While I contributed to pollution, let’s say it was a joint effort with fellow citizens.

Dont be talking smack to those who sit around to stay alive. Don’t you be feeding some kind of ethics fear and then tell me to risk my life or don’t vote. 
 

I had a small part in everything good and bad the government ever did by paying my taxes. It’s governments job to make voting as easy and safe as possible for its citizens who built this country.

Your just ignorant of real people and real situations. Get your head out of your ...... and get some learning.

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8 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

^^^

I know very little of the law; however, Ms. Powell is a member of the bar in the state of Texas, where any voting apparatus has to be approved by the Secretary of State and the Attorney General. Ken Paxton, who is the latter, stated on television and in a lawsuit that Texas had looked at the Dominion Voting Machines on three (3) separate occasions and that they had been shown to be susceptible to unauthorized manipulation. 

I am completely ignorant about how much of these findings the AG can share with Ms. Powell, but knowing the Texas mentality as I do, I suspect their records will become an open book . . . and they should, as they're public record paid for by the taxpayer dollar. Additionally, Ms. Powell is a former federal prosecutor in the central district of Texas. Due to this juxtaposition of circumstances, I would think that Ms. Powell would have immediate access to the best expert opinions money can buy, and knows unequivocally at this point that the machines weren't/aren't trustworthy.  

Texas is no stranger to concerns about voting machines. The Diebold machines--almost humanoid with their smug Orwellian confidence--were accused of altering the votes in the 2004 election of Geo. W. Bush. After going through the Diebold controversy, the State of Texas was understandably wary of any mechanical voting wanker (look it up if you aren't familiar with the term). 😉

I'm no techie (obviously), but I doubt there's a voting machine made that could escape the wizardry of say Stephen Wozniac, the co-founder of Apple. Woz, possessing the gleeful duo persona of innovator and prankster, began at an early age, hacking into the U. of Colo. computer and sending prank messages over it (which got him kicked out). Unsurprisingly, Woz isn't talking in public about this recent election of so much angst, but I would imagine there are plenty of computer wizards out there who could take a Dominion machine and make it beg for mercy--i.e., develop the Stockholm Syndrome and do whatever was asked of it. 

Ms. Powell is colorful and eccentric, but probably no lunatic. In her remarks lurked the knowledge gleaned by several forensic experts hired by the state of Texas. I think she was so confident she would get a chance to show it off in court that she could make these outrageous comments and eventually become vindicated by the facts. The courts declined . . . even the august court of courts, the Supreme Court. 

Well, it looks like Ms. Powell may finally get the chance to show this stuff in court. Unless the Texas lawsuit that was put forth desperately to the Supreme Court--decent enough that an additional dozen states signed on--was full of flatus and moonbeams, Ms. Powell can show the soft underbelly of the Dominion machine. And I don't think she'll have to ask for a forensic examination--she already has one.

Powell made direct claims against the Dominion machines. Recount after recount matched machine to paper ballot. 
If somebody had thousands of ballots, ran them through and made paper ballots that would not be a machine problem. 
Other types of problems I would guess have to be human induced. But do you really think the Dominion company under Dominion pay screwed the results. 
I think Trump and his team made up a bunch off bull knowing Republicans would buy a bunch of bull.We'll see in court. Not the court of Republican conspiracy but real court.

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38 minutes ago, Boat said:

35 minutes ago, Boat said:

I think Trump and his team made up a bunch off bull knowing Republicans would buy a bunch of bull.We'll see in court. Not the court of Republican conspiracy but real court.

 

Through the years, I have carefully observed people. It is just so unusual for someone who has worked hard for a career to throw it away over some lunatic idea that no one else could swallow. I don't have a dog in this hunt, not at this point; I am merely an interested bystander. But suddenly, while reading these various posts, it dawned on me that Ms. Powell likely has read the various and several forensic analyses that were rendered by experts hired by the Texas State Voting Commission . . . the ones that prompted AG Paxton to decide against using the Dominion machines. It will be exceptionally interesting to see that data come out in a court of law. It may turn out to be nothing but blue smoke, but it could tilt the earth on its axis too. 

In making this observation I am in no way condoning Mr. Trump's unfortunate call to action. He is paying a mighty price for that. Indeed, the whole country is paying a price. As for Texas buying "a bunch of bull," that's a possibility, but again, it would be so unusual for an attorney general of a state the size of Texas to make an effort to show their stuff to the United States Supreme Court without some pretty damning evidence. It would be even more unusual for a dozen other state attorney generals to go along with it. The whole "class action of states" scheme was sort of hopped-up at the last minute, but still, most prudent men and women of the law wouldn't do something foolish. 

Let me be clear: I think that every eligible person should have been allowed to vote in this election--the more the better. But a democratic republic is only as good as the integrity of its voting apparatus. And as Stalin said, it's not the voters, it's the vote-counters. In reflection, it was the whole issue about the vote-counters which led to the Capitol insurrection. 

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

1 My example. In the state of Texas you must register first. This requires your address, Signature and SS number. Then a copy of your drivers licence. A witness of your signature is required. 
Then in the mail your registration arrives by mail.  You still have to register no matter what and be subject to verification.

In my case, due to a virus the year before I got pneumonia, a light heart attack and suffered lung damage. But because I was 63 and not 65 I could not vote by mail.

Of course that is Texas bull shut denying me a safe way to vote. 
I paid my taxes for 44 years and did not create the virus. While I contributed to pollution, let’s say it was a joint effort with fellow citizens.

2 Dont be talking smack to those who sit around to stay alive. Don’t you be feeding some kind of ethics fear and then tell me to risk my life or don’t vote. 
 

I had a small part in everything good and bad the government ever did by paying my taxes. It’s governments job to make voting as easy and safe as possible for its citizens who built this country.

3 Your just ignorant of real people and real situations. Get your head out of your ...... and get some learning.

1 Sounds like absentee ballot to me. In many other states, this year, because of the covid19, they send the ballots to you without you registered that first, or no signature witness, even fake or common addresses, not an absentee ballot. Do the integrity of the elections in other State affect you as a Texas resident? And if require a witness does mean you will have to go to see that witness as well? What is the different?

2 I didn't even complain about the absentee ballots and I do understand about vote by mail this year even  it created chaos for an election integrity, but the  "Voting by mail or by the internet 100% should be perused" is ridiculous in non-covid19 time and is no way to prevent fraud in large scale, with the exception of absentee ballot. Can you see the differences between what you stated and what you are saying now? 100%? By the internet?

3 I simply argue that the more percentage of people vote in person, whenever they can, will ensure the election integrity. Countless of people still go to work, go shopping with social distance and mask, but choose to vote by mail, again not by absentee ballot. It is not even from fear but from convenient vaguely know how election integrity works by trusting politicians or mainstream media. 

I was talking about election, large scale and how it should work. You don't know me and I don't know you. It is you who make assumption about me to take it to personal level. For your personal situation, If I praise any patriot with the same condition like you but still voted in person, they went extra mile to ensure their votes counted, do you have a problem with that?

Even non-citizen pay taxes in the country they live. I am paying tax so I hope when I cannot work, someone will pay tax to keep me survive.

No, I don't deserve a system where my ancestors didn't have any part in creating & building it but a free rider. But because of that I truly appreciated anyone who was a part of that: pioneers, the natives, slaves, Fed, Union ... and doesn't take it for granted like many US born citizens who wish to cancel the history. 

Are you truly believe that an immigrant like me, former international student from a poor Communism country, left family at 17,  who have been living, working in 3 countries  didn't get my head our of my ... and learning? Or being ignorant of new real people around and risking ruining new relationships from misunderstanding?  Are you suggesting me to listen to more US mainstream media and read more US newspapers and believe all of them without questioning? In this era these news will come to you in all directions, the skills we should learn is to detect the inconsistency of the pattern, the hidden motivation of the news/politicians, what makes them say that and what they will not tell you because that would undermine what they tell you.

Remember that nothing about you or me is matter in here. When I was laid off from my first job many many moons ago, the boss told me to "do not take things personally"

Edited January 15, 2021 by SUZNV

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

My example. In the state of Texas you must register first. This requires your address, Signature and SS number. Then a copy of your drivers licence. A witness of your signature is required. 
Then in the mail your registration arrives by mail.  You still have to register no matter what and be subject to verification.

In my case, due to a virus the year before I got pneumonia, a light heart attack and suffered lung damage. But because I was 63 and not 65 I could not vote by mail.

Of course that is Texas bull shut denying me a safe way to vote. 
I paid my taxes for 44 years and did not create the virus. While I contributed to pollution, let’s say it was a joint effort with fellow citizens.

Dont be talking smack to those who sit around to stay alive. Don’t you be feeding some kind of ethics fear and then tell me to risk my life or don’t vote. 
 

I had a small part in everything good and bad the government ever did by paying my taxes. It’s governments job to make voting as easy and safe as possible for its citizens who built this country.

Your just ignorant of real people and real situations. Get your head out of your ...... and get some learning.

It is my personal belief what you are speaking to is at the very core of this entire debacle. 

Voters right's US citizens right to vote, I will be the first to state I have taken that for granted most of my life. 

From what I have seen for the last four yrs I take nothing for granted any longer.

When this election was questioned and the accusations and trials began it became a war in the press and the states.Both sides cut no quarter, it was then I had to ask myself why the resistance? Why tear a nation apart?

It now has developed down to the actual question of valid citizenship in these voter registrations and the machines that count these votes. 

What lies in the machines and registration roles that require such extreme measures to conceal?

Make no mistakes here there are a lot of careers on the line, perhaps millions and millions of dollars. Why is this all occurring?

My own opinion, US citizens have for far to long taken voting for granted and that is now being challenged. And challenges will not be tolerated...

If anyone thinks differently today the concept of free speech is being challenged, today US citizens across this country are being ostracized from employment due to their support for a soon to be former President.