Joe Biden's Presidency

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57 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Be careful what you wish for.  Now that the Dems/Libs have taken control of all 3 branches of government, we are ripe for the 4th Industrial Revolution, the Global Reset, and the New World Order.  If I'm not mistaken, the plan is that we will have:

1. Open borders
2. Automation (robots) replacing human workers in every area possible
3. Robot companies (Amazon first)
4. Steep decline of the workforce, transition to no employment
5. Universal healthcare
6. Stay at home with pay, paid for by robot companies (quote Bill Gates: "I don't think robot companies will care about paying.")
7. Brick & mortar shopping is no more: all shopping will be online and delivered, your 5G fridge will order delivered re-stock
8. Don't own anything: if you want to cook, they will deliver the tools; if you need to go somewhere, an autodrive car will arrive within minutes
9. Healthy living managed by available food products (BAD ones no longer available) and social pressure to exercise
10. Very high but acceptable suicide rate until mental adjustment levels out with the young (flatten the curve, don't you know!)
11. Some undesirable people living underground eating rat burgers
12. Bliss and euphoria!

Universal health care in its own right is not a bad thing. 

Unfortunate to see it thrown in with what are other control measures in the extreme. 

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28 minutes ago, NickW said:

Universal health care in its own right is not a bad thing. 

Unfortunate to see it thrown in with what are other control measures in the extreme. 

Theoretically but it costs us 120 billion a year and has been turned in to benefits for the middle class.

The NHS can be very good but it can also be very crap, any idea if that budget is also for wages? I'll bet is it....'bed managers'...hmmm.

I don't have a problem with the principle but as always it gets corrupted by politicians and bureaucrat for political reasons. I'm glad no one is banging their pots and pans anymore because I was ready to do that...over their heads 

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2 minutes ago, El Nikko said:

Theoretically but it costs us 120 billion a year and has been turned in to benefits for the middle class.

The NHS can be very good but it can also be very crap, any idea if that budget is also for wages? I'll bet is it....'bed managers'...hmmm.

I don't have a problem with the principle but as always it gets corrupted by politicians and bureaucrat for political reasons. I'm glad no one is banging their pots and pans anymore because I was ready to do that...over their heads 

I agree the NHS is badly run. 

Doesn't mean private healthcare is any better. 

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Just now, NickW said:

I agree the NHS is badly run. 

Doesn't mean private healthcare is any better. 

Well I'm not trying to argue for either as the best way but once these state run things get politcised then it generally always happening and eventually they become unsustainable.

I'm fine with the NHS in principle but I am not ok with throwing tons of money at it and giving them cart blanch in how they spend it. Anything that is paid for by the state should have an army of auditors and regulators scutinising every transaction....but that won't ever happen in the UK.

Most people have forgotten but I would do a little googling over the PFI (privately funded initiative) which started under Bliar and carried on ever since...these scumbags (politicians included) have drained tax payers money into their own pockets and noone...especially not the left say a word about it. In short hospitals are trapped in very long contracts now and they are forced to buy things that are very cheap if sources normally from specific companies who charge obscene amounts of money. This also happens with schools as well by the way.

Private health care is far better from my experience BUT you have to pay for it and who can afford that right now?

Actually, while you might find it hard to believe now is a great time to get some NHS treatment, many departments are absolutely desperate for patients. I have problems with my neck vertebrae which have compressed the nerves and have been seen as quick as when I was with BUPA years ago...absolutely unbelievable! Get in there now while you can lol.

So yes I'm fine with our NHS but I want to see value for money because we do pay for it....or rather our kids and grandchildren will at the rate we're going.

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and apologies if that sounded dry, it wasn't meant to be...it's not how I talk lol

You know they were trying to get people to do the pot banging thing again and no one is? I would love to go out on Thursday night with a gigantic gong and bang away for an hour or so 

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Let no one say that Biden's team is anything other than a Chinese coup and takeover of the US

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29 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

 

Let no one say that Biden's team is anything other than a Chinese coup and takeover of the US

What's the image?

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I heard Democrats are very oftern called in US as weak on crime.

Lets see whether Biden is also called weak on China.

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2 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

I heard Democrats are very oftern called in US as weak on crime.

Lets see whether Biden is also called weak on China.

As far as I can tell, at this point, they ARE crime.

And if Joe Biden's track record is anything at all to go by, China will get a pass in all but superficial ways.

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6 hours ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

I'm curious, how would you keep employees out of the emergency room?

Our current system is so expensive something like 90 million have no preventive checkups and  no doctor. So they end up in the emergency room with serious problems that maybe could have been avoided. Getting treated at exorbitant costs that the government has to cover. 
How is that sustainable. Let’s take COVID as an example. A two week stay in a hospital will run $30,000 to 40,000. Over 1/2 of the population will pay little of that bill. They won’t pay for their share of the funeral costs either. They will never make the money to pay it back. 
You label other approaches as socialism while your party isn’t any better at paying their bills. 
Dumping emergency room costs on the government and businesses who do offer healthcare is out of control. 

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2 minutes ago, Boat said:

Our current system is so expensive something like 90 million have no preventive checkups and  no doctor. So they end up in the emergency room with serious problems that maybe could have been avoided. Getting treated at exorbitant costs that the government has to cover. 
How is that sustainable. Let’s take COVID as an example. A two week stay in a hospital will run $30,000 to 40,000. Over 1/2 of the population will pay little of that bill. They won’t pay for their share of the funeral costs either. They will never make the money to pay it back. 
You label other approaches as socialism while your party isn’t any better at paying their bills. 
Dumping emergency room costs on the government and businesses who do offer healthcare is out of control. 

I have that question myself and do lots of research about that out of curiosity, I live in a country with universal health care for 17 years before the US:

US healthcare cost so much because of hospital administration, pharmacy and insurance. Its problem started since, well who knows, but worse since Obama Care. But in current situation do you know which Party they endorse? Both Republican nor Democrats did nothing or even help them, aka the Swamp.

Why it is so expensive:

1 Any emergency situation will be attended first, money later. So anyone not matter illegal, visitors, green card, citizen will be treated first but not everyone will pay back the fees. They will pass the cost to other patients with insurance or states or federals. Hint: 11-20 millions no documents people in US contributed to it. 

2 Surprised bill: Hospital cannot compete by having the transparency price up front. Trump tried to make hospital have to list the price first for transparency but have no idea how far will it go:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/10/29/trump-administration-finalizes-rule-requiring-health-insurers-disclose-price-and-cost-sharing.html

3 Pharmacy, how on earth the cost for medicine in the US is more expensive than Europe or Japan? The answer is monopoly and lobbying. The same goes to US medical equipment. And FDA make more regulations to ensure the monopoly.

4 Insurance: Healthcare price goes up will allow insurance to increase the premium and people because of being scared about the hospital bills, they will have to buy the insurance. Sometimes you can just pay cash at the health care and it will be cheaper than deductible if you claim insurance because if the health care have to claim it to your insurance, they will have to charge you the price agreed with insurance which is sky high.

5 US Doctor tends to over testing you if you have insurance, maybe to make up the lose in the one who could not pay back. They may be under some pressure to do so by hospital  administration but it depends on clinics to clinics.

6 Also the income of US Doctor are over 6 times more than average household income while in other free healthcare countries it maybe 3 times max. IMHO it is fair because they took huge risk on student loan (around 300k after medical  school in average) and it will attract talent people.

7 US has an army of specialists in very specialization part of your bodies. Lets say 80% of the patients are from common disease and 20% need very top specialist. Even not all cancel surgery have the same level of complication. In other universal health care countries  you will need to wait in line for these rare specialists while in the US you can get treatment quick. If it needs very rare specialist in the world, then you can have a specialist elsewhere fly to the US and operate then fly back and he can earn more than he operated the same in his country. One of my cousins uncle who is a master of dentist in Florida got his shacking hand operated by a specialist from Japan this way. His sister is a cancer surgery doctor in Quebec Canada. 

In some socialism countries or close to that, to cut the cost on the society, they would concentrate resources on 80% of the common cases, with people who can pay tax, and they can be proud of providing healthcare cheap and efficiency because majority of the patients will be happy that they got treated for free and if they die, they won't complain, you maybe too sick or too old and the system did their best.

An old person in the US heart stop beating when the emergency team arrive, they make it beat again (although maybe to late) and then let him in the hospital for 5 days with regularly red alert. The bill was high. In free healthcare countries, I doubt they would go that far.

So rich people in the world who healthcare payment is not a problem, they would enjoy go to US for operate instead of waiting. Good for exporting US services. And the trend of private healthcare in NZ and Australia and insurance  increasing more and more popular these day because of  the waiting list for specialist.

You will have to fix the corruption system first and it would be cheaper. Nothing easier to pull governments funding to healthcare and divide the cake, aka crony capitalism . If any lifetime politicians  want to fix that, they would have fixed that long ago. The only way to fix that is term limitations for politicians in both parties. But why would they do that to themselves? Do you really think anyone who were not a politician can just get elected and fix all of the complicated problem above in 4 years? US political system will really need fresh blood.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

You label other approaches as socialism while your party isn’t any better at paying their bills. 

Be sort of careful what you say about me. If you had read any of my notes about healthcare you'd know that I have always been an advocate of uniform health care. 

The system we have in the United States is clearly unsustainable as it now exists. And it has been that way for some time. Now, with more and more people about to come into the country, it will be even more uneven. 

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26 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

1 hour ago, Boat said:

You label other approaches as socialism while your party isn’t any better at paying their bills. 

Be sort of careful what you say about me. If you had read any of my notes about healthcare you'd know that I have always been an advocate of uniform health care. 

The system we have in the United States is clearly unsustainable as it now exists. And it has been that way for some time. Now, with more and more people about to come into the country, it will be even more uneven. 

And @Boat, if you had gone back and read Dr. Maddoux's comments you would know that he usually approaches the subject from the perspective of a specialized physician, only mentioning politics when policy is out of kilter.

I am sure he found any number of anomalies in the statistics of your comment, but spared you the minor ones.  In fact, again if you had gone back and looked at what has already been addressed by Dr. Maddoux, you would have seen he quoted specifics on many of the issues you think you are raising.

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1 hour ago, SUZNV said:

I have that question myself and do lots of research about that out of curiosity, I live in a country with universal health care for 17 years before the US:

US healthcare cost so much because of hospital administration, pharmacy and insurance. Its problem started since, well who knows, but worse since Obama Care. But in current situation do you know which Party they endorse? Both Republican nor Democrats did nothing or even help them, aka the Swamp.

Why it is so expensive:

1 Any emergency situation will be attended first, money later. So anyone not matter illegal, visitors, green card, citizen will be treated first but not everyone will pay back the fees. They will pass the cost to other patients with insurance or states or federals. Hint: 11-20 millions no documents people in US contributed to it. 

2 Surprised bill: Hospital cannot compete by having the transparency price up front. Trump tried to make hospital have to list the price first for transparency but have no idea how far will it go:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/10/29/trump-administration-finalizes-rule-requiring-health-insurers-disclose-price-and-cost-sharing.html

3 Pharmacy, how on earth the cost for medicine in the US is more expensive than Europe or Japan? The answer is monopoly and lobbying. The same goes to US medical equipment. And FDA make more regulations to ensure the monopoly.

4 Insurance: Healthcare price goes up will allow insurance to increase the premium and people because of being scared about the hospital bills, they will have to buy the insurance. Sometimes you can just pay cash at the health care and it will be cheaper than deductible if you claim insurance because if the health care have to claim it to your insurance, they will have to charge you the price agreed with insurance which is sky high.

5 US Doctor tends to over testing you if you have insurance, maybe to make up the lose in the one who could not pay back. They may be under some pressure to do so by hospital  administration but it depends on clinics to clinics.

6 Also the income of US Doctor are over 6 times more than average household income while in other free healthcare countries it maybe 3 times max. IMHO it is fair because they took huge risk on student loan (around 300k after medical  school in average) and it will attract talent people.

7 US has an army of specialists in very specialization part of your bodies. Lets say 80% of the patients are from common disease and 20% need very top specialist. Even not all cancel surgery have the same level of complication. In other universal health care countries  you will need to wait in line for these rare specialists while in the US you can get treatment quick. If it needs very rare specialist in the world, then you can have a specialist elsewhere fly to the US and operate then fly back and he can earn more than he operated the same in his country. One of my cousins uncle who is a master of dentist in Florida got his shacking hand operated by a specialist from Japan this way. His sister is a cancer surgery doctor in Quebec Canada. 

In some socialism countries or close to that, to cut the cost on the society, they would concentrate resources on 80% of the common cases, with people who can pay tax, and they can be proud of providing healthcare cheap and efficiency because majority of the patients will be happy that they got treated for free and if they die, they won't complain, you maybe too sick or too old and the system did their best.

An old person in the US heart stop beating when the emergency team arrive, they make it beat again (although maybe to late) and then let him in the hospital for 5 days with regularly red alert. The bill was high. In free healthcare countries, I doubt they would go that far.

So rich people in the world who healthcare payment is not a problem, they would enjoy go to US for operate instead of waiting. Good for exporting US services. And the trend of private healthcare in NZ and Australia and insurance  increasing more and more popular these day because of  the waiting list for specialist.

You will have to fix the corruption system first and it would be cheaper. Nothing easier to pull governments funding to healthcare and divide the cake, aka crony capitalism . If any lifetime politicians  want to fix that, they would have fixed that long ago. The only way to fix that is term limitations for politicians in both parties. But why would they do that to themselves? Do you really think anyone who were not a politician can just get elected and fix all of the complicated problem above in 4 years? US political system will really need fresh blood.

 

 

What you speak to angers me to the point holding any commentary...Who made America Responsible...Who voted....did America understand this responsibilty..

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Eyes Wide Open

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Another one of Nancy and Chuck's boondoggles:

 

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On 1/20/2021 at 9:43 PM, SUZNV said:

Please provide evidences with the claim of trying to find and kill Pence and Pelosi. Secondly the motivation, what would Trump and his nationalists gain from kill Pence and Pelosi? Why didn't they attempt it earlier? People can draw text in front of Pelosi house but have to go to the capital to find her?

It Trump is a white nationalist fascist, shouldn't he use military to destroy the medias, arrest his political opponents? I haven't seen any fascist leader that didn't arrest the one challenge their powers in history.

And you are championing against conspiracies?

You cannot put the word "nationalists" along with "traitors". Even a traitor can still be a good man and son of a US president. The good part cancel out the bad part.

 

 

There you go: https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/?id=Jrvuhv6m0dkt

(just a random one after I clicked on a few. posted in parler of all places, this is just a random 500 video sampling, but almost the entire site was archived by web crawlers). 

If trump wanted to pull a coup d'etat like Maduro and stay in power after an election, he would need the military's help. There is almost no chance the military would have helped (and see how many secretary of defenses he ran though). The only people who "pro-trump" in the higher armed forces or intel community were opportunist sycophants who thought the qanon stories (or the flat world hypothesis) was a gateway to power (which is incredible for what started as. internet meme. I can't believe it continued after pizzagate.).

I think Trump is more of a guy who wants attention than anything else. I used to live in NYC. He learned how to deal with the (brutal) NYC media and he learned that any news is good news. Most New Yorkers just saw him as another corrupt real estate guy who got banks to recapitalize him after his bankruptcies..errr. tax writeoffs.

In terms of the xenophobia thing, which is probably what I dislike him the most for, he was the leader of the "birther" movement. His whole campaign started on a nativist xenophobic platform (see starting June 16, 2015):

https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech

Edited January 25, 2021 by surrept33

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2 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

There you go: https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/?id=Jrvuhv6m0dkt

(posted in parler of all places, this is just a random 500 video sampling, but almost the entire site was archived by web crawlers). 

If trump wanted to pull a coup d'etat like Maduro and stay in power after an election, he would need the military's help. There is almost no chance the military would have helped (and see how many secretary of defenses he ran though). The only people who "pro-trump" in the higher armed forces were opportunist sycophants or those who were deluded into believing the qanon stories (or the flat world hypothesis). 

I think Trump is more of a guy who wants attention than anything else. I used to live in NYC. He learned how to deal with the (brutal) NYC media and he learned that any news is good news. Most New Yorkers just saw him as another corrupt real estate guy. Most are.

In terms of the xenophobia thing, which is probably what I dislike him the most for, he was the leader of the "birther" movement. His whole campaign started on a nativist xenophobic platform (see starting June 16, 2015):

https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech

I misunderstood him and challenged him the evidence that Trump advocated to hang Pelosi and Mike Pence. You didn't follow the conversation after that, did you?

A billionaire, who has been in tv shows,  sleeked attention for himself and his family by running for president and went head to head with mainstream? I doubt anyone want that type of attention. 

I don't care if I like him or not anyway because it depends on my opinion about his policies more than personality. Only low EQ or IQ people vote based on  their emotional hate or love, fed to them from someone else. Especially if that love hate came from the silly "birther" movement that simply irrelevant to US future and is nothing comparing to anti Trump movement from mainstream up to a baseless Russia Impeachment and more coming. I don't love or hate people based on watching media.