Vanity Fair: "There will be no disciplinary action against Marjorie Taylor Greene because, let’s be honest, she’s the future of the Republican party."

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

REPUBLICANS OFFICIALLY OKAY VIOLENT DEATH THREATS AGAINST DEMOCRATS, PSYCHOTIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT JEWISH LASER BEAMS

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/kevin-mccarthy-marjorie-taylor-greene-no-action?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_020421&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bea15512ddf9c72dc912311&cndid=17768489&hasha=5a9f69fe1b66f2fb53c95925d88b6cc2&hashb=d9494cf78f9811846899547106258772f12f3a53&hashc=89a3d2964591281b25afc03928bd48192f0f4328071a64b8e9ff9715dfe90030&eAUTO_MERGE&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_020421&utm_term=VYF_Hive

Edited February 4, 2021 by Jeffrey Brown

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

Meanwhile . . . 

The threat of a defamation lawsuit forced anchors at Newsmax into behaving like actual journalists

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/arts/television/trevor-noah-newsmax-mike-lindell.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage

 

“Usually you see the guests storm off, but never the anchor. Where do you even go after that? That’s like trying to storm out of a meeting in your own office.” — SETH MEYERS

“Also, I’ve got to ask: Does MyPillow actually work? Because this guy looks like he hasn’t slept in a year.” — SETH MEYERS

 

“Yesterday, Lindell went on right-wing, news-free news channel Newsmax, which used to be all-in on the Dominion lie, but since receiving a letter from Dominion’s flesh-eating attorneys, has disavowed that, because according to their statement, ‘We here at Newsmax are committed to keeping some of our money.’” — STEPHEN COLBERT

“What did they expect? They invited a pillow magnate to talk about how Twitter banned him for spouting insane conspiracy theories and then they were all shocked when he started spouting insane conspiracy theories.” — STEPHEN COLBERT

 

“Damn, that defamation lawsuit has Newsmax shook. See that dude? He peaced out of there like the Chipotle just hit.” — TREVOR NOAH

“But you see, that’s the power of the courts right there, because Mike Lindell tried to stage a coup and Newsmax was fine with inviting him on. But the second he started saying [expletive] that was going to get them sued, all of a sudden they were like, ‘No, no, no, no, my man. Overthrowing the government is one thing, but a lawsuit? That [expletive]’s serious.’” — TREVOR NOAH

“And keep in mind, this is Newsmax we’re talking about. Remember, Newsmax is like Fox News after it stopped taking its meds. But at least for a minute, Dominion managed to sue them into behaving like actual journalists.” — TREVOR NOAH

[surrept33 + 612]

USToday (unpaywall'd):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/02/02/newsmax-anchor-walks-out-after-my-pillow-ceo-mike-lindell-rant/4363781001/

[Boat + 1,325]

Wacko conspiracy has found a home even here. Education is no longer relevant for a chunk of the population including most of the Republican political class in Congress. 
Republicans who were tasked with counting votes in Republican States are understandably confused after being assaulted by their own for doing their job. In fairness how were they to know they were expected to lie and cheat to appease an angry mob. Many of us simply were not brought up that way. 
 

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

There are a few rational people left in the GOP, but then there is the Greene faction:

Sen. Ben Sasse:  "Politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude"
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/04/ben-sasse-censored-nebraska-466056

Greene: Republican Party belongs to Trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/537546-greene-republican-party-belongs-to-trump

The downside of the “Weird worship of one dude” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fg8y0Qyx-4

Edited February 6, 2021 by Jeffrey Brown

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

Your utter stupidity is duly noted. I can't dumb it down enough for the seriously dumb but perhaps this analogy will get through the low IQ mist

 

[turbguy + 1,554]

6 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Your utter stupidity is duly noted. I can't dumb it down enough for the seriously dumb but perhaps this analogy will get through the low IQ mist

 

I attended a Browns game where such stuff actually happened.

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

Senator Ben Sasse:  "The President lied to you."

The senator added that his criticisms of Trump after the riots were in line with his past actions against Trump, including declining to vote for him in 2016 and 2020. He also said the party’s anger against him was not about his ideology, noting that he is one of the most conservative members of the Senate. Rather, he said, his party was dissatisfied with his “not bending the knee” to Trump.

Sasse also used the video to reiterate his disdain for Trump’s behavior between Election Day and his departure from office, when Trump continuously spread false claims that the election was stolen from him. Sasse said the Capitol riot “happened because the president lied to you” and because Trump “riled a mob that attacked the Capitol — many chanting ‘hang Pence.’”

“If that president were a Democrat, we both know how you’d respond,” Sasse said. “But, because he had Republican behind his name, you’re defending him.”

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

Mitt Romney challenges his party to reject the 'big lie'

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/mitt-romney-challenges-his-party-reject-big-lie-n1255889

Former President Donald Trump will never admit that he lost a fair election, but every elected Republican ought to be telling voters that as a step toward bringing the country together, Sen. Mitt Romney said Tuesday. In addition to social media perpetuating the "big lie" that Trump is somehow still president and President Joe Biden stole the election, GOP officials, too, are contributing to that notion, the Utah Republican said.

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

I get it Jeffrey, you obviously are one of the "interns" hired by the Lincoln Project. How's the butt, still sore? Was it worth it? You've quoted the never Trumpers and RINOS as if they represent anyone. Why not Jeff Flake? Cheney? Talk about the butt hurt crowd, you're hitting them all. 

The truth will come out and you'll run and hide. You've abandoned the thread where I document all the evidence, no doubt you're afraid your eyes will burn if you see the light, living in darkness like you do. Sad pathetic existence, but your choice. 

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

Much like Hitler's true believers*, a lot of QAnon/MAGA folks are now realizing that they made a serious mistake. 

*The downside of the “Weird worship of one dude” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fg8y0Qyx-4

Seditionaries: FBI net closes on Maga mob that stormed the Capitol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/06/us-capitol-insurrection-fbi-investigation

As prosecutors from the House of Representatives prepare to present their case against Donald Trump at his impeachment trial next week for incitement of insurrection, supporters who heeded his call on 6 January to “fight like hell” and went on to storm the Capitol Building are finding themselves in far greater legal peril.

The trial that kicks off in the US Senate on Tuesday could lead to a further vote that would permanently debar Trump from holding office in the future. By contrast, the mob of fervent Maga acolytes who broke into the US Capitol following an incendiary rally headlined by Trump could face prison for up to 20 years. . . .

Political scientists at the University of Chicago who studied the profiles of arrestees and published their conclusions in the Atlantic found that many were middle-class and middle-aged – with an average age of 40. Almost 90% of them had no known links with militant groups. Some 40% were business owners or with white-collar jobs, and they came from relatively lucrative backgrounds as “CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants”.

The one common denominator uniting this large group is not any extremist group, website or media outlet, but an individual – Donald Trump. This is why the connection between the pending impeachment trial and the ongoing FBI roundup of suspects is so critical.

The link has been made overtly in the defense cases being compiled by lawyers on behalf of several of the arrested rioters. Take Jacob Chansley from Arizona, the self-styled “QAnon Shaman” who went shirtless and wore a furry headdress with horns as he battled as far as the Senate dais during the Capitol assault.

His lawyers have offered him up as a witness during Trump’s trial. They say Chansley, who faces six charges including civil disorder, used to be “horrendously smitten” by Trump but now feels betrayed by him. They are also likely to use the argument that Chansley was misled by the then US president as a central argument in his own defense.

But Gomez is doubtful that the ploy will prove effective.

“I don’t think that’s going to hold water in federal court,” Gomez said. “‘I only robbed that bank because somebody told me to do it’ – I’ve never heard that line working for any crime.”

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

29 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

The truth will come out and you'll run and hide.

You guys in the Bigfoot/Election Fraud group remain the "Unstable in search of the impossible." 

[Boat + 1,325]

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

I get it Jeffrey, you obviously are one of the "interns" hired by the Lincoln Project. How's the butt, still sore? Was it worth it? You've quoted the never Trumpers and RINOS as if they represent anyone. Why not Jeff Flake? Cheney? Talk about the butt hurt crowd, you're hitting them all. 

The truth will come out and you'll run and hide. You've abandoned the thread where I document all the evidence, no doubt you're afraid your eyes will burn if you see the light, living in darkness like you do. Sad pathetic existence, but your choice. 

Prove your “truth” in court. That’s how business is done in the US. Trump himself was involved in over 3500 cases before being elected. That’s how we end up with good judges and bad judges, don’t ya know. 

[turbguy + 1,554]

I must agree, the election did steal the Presidency from Donald Who.

Unfortunately for him, the theft was committed by the voters.

You probably beleive what I say above is a lie, and there is no logic or statement or evidence that would sway your belief.

I believe it is the truth.  There has been no evidence presented by anyone (even you) that would sway my belief. 

Irreconcilable differences. Case closed.

I'm done.

Bye.

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by turbguy

[El Gato + 254]

15 hours ago, turbguy said:

I attended a Browns game where such stuff actually happened.

Dems the Browns being the the Browns-JuJu

Edited February 7, 2021 by El Gato
spelling

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

15 hours ago, turbguy said:

I attended a Browns game where such stuff actually happened.

You mean the Browns won?

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 hour ago, turbguy said:

I must agree, the election did steal the Presidency from Donald Who.

Unfortunately for him, the theft was committed by the voters.

You probably beleive what I say above is a lie, and there is no logic or statement or evidence that would sway your belief.

I believe it is the truth.  There has been no evidence presented by anyone (even you) that would sway my belief. 

Irreconcilable differences. Case closed.

I'm done.

Bye.

 

I hope you're done.  Goodbye.

None of us here says we "believe" anything, except that we have seen evidence that raises serious questions, and we want investigations.  You can "believe" nothing was wrong, but I'd say you were ignoring quite a bit if that's your take on it.

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

Spurning Calls to Resign, Liz Cheney Says G.O.P. Must Move Past Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/us/politics/liz-cheney-republicans-trump.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

WASHINGTON — Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming waded deeper into Republicans’ identity crisis on Sunday, warning her party on the eve of a Senate impeachment trial not to “look past” former President Donald J. Trump’s role in stoking a violent attack on the Capitol and a culture of conspiracy roosting among their ranks.

In her first television interview since fending off an attempt by Mr. Trump’s allies to oust her from House leadership over her vote to impeach him, Ms. Cheney said Republican voters had been “lied to” by a president eager to steal an election with baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. She cautioned that the party risked being locked out of power if it did not show a majority of Americans that it could be trusted to lead truthfully.

“The notion that the election had been stolen or that the election was rigged was a lie, and people need to understand that,” Ms. Cheney said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We need to make sure that we as Republicans are the party of truth, and that we are being honest about what really did happen in 2020 so we actually have a chance to win in 2022 and win the White House back in 2024.”

She added that Mr. Trump “does not have a role as a leader of our party going forward.”

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

3 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Much like Hitler's true believers*, a lot of QAnon/MAGA folks are now realizing that they made a serious mistake. 

*The downside of the “Weird worship of one dude” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fg8y0Qyx-4

Seditionaries: FBI net closes on Maga mob that stormed the Capitol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/06/us-capitol-insurrection-fbi-investigation

As prosecutors from the House of Representatives prepare to present their case against Donald Trump at his impeachment trial next week for incitement of insurrection, supporters who heeded his call on 6 January to “fight like hell” and went on to storm the Capitol Building are finding themselves in far greater legal peril.

The trial that kicks off in the US Senate on Tuesday could lead to a further vote that would permanently debar Trump from holding office in the future. By contrast, the mob of fervent Maga acolytes who broke into the US Capitol following an incendiary rally headlined by Trump could face prison for up to 20 years. . . .

Political scientists at the University of Chicago who studied the profiles of arrestees and published their conclusions in the Atlantic found that many were middle-class and middle-aged – with an average age of 40. Almost 90% of them had no known links with militant groups. Some 40% were business owners or with white-collar jobs, and they came from relatively lucrative backgrounds as “CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants”.

The one common denominator uniting this large group is not any extremist group, website or media outlet, but an individual – Donald Trump. This is why the connection between the pending impeachment trial and the ongoing FBI roundup of suspects is so critical.

The link has been made overtly in the defense cases being compiled by lawyers on behalf of several of the arrested rioters. Take Jacob Chansley from Arizona, the self-styled “QAnon Shaman” who went shirtless and wore a furry headdress with horns as he battled as far as the Senate dais during the Capitol assault.

His lawyers have offered him up as a witness during Trump’s trial. They say Chansley, who faces six charges including civil disorder, used to be “horrendously smitten” by Trump but now feels betrayed by him. They are also likely to use the argument that Chansley was misled by the then US president as a central argument in his own defense.

But Gomez is doubtful that the ploy will prove effective.

“I don’t think that’s going to hold water in federal court,” Gomez said. “‘I only robbed that bank because somebody told me to do it’ – I’ve never heard that line working for any crime.”

You're kind of a one note song. You can easily be replaced by a bot. Meanwhile, this would be the same FBLie that actually submitted a 4chan photoshopped picture into evidence in s Federal case? Are you personally smarter than a toaster? So far, no evidence of that. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

3 hours ago, Boat said:

Prove your “truth” in court. That’s how business is done in the US. Trump himself was involved in over 3500 cases before being elected. That’s how we end up with good judges and bad judges, don’t ya know. 

If and when evidence gets to be presented in court, my side will absolutely win. Everyone with an IQ over room temperature knows it, especially the democrats in Congress and quite a few RINOS as well. They were happy with BAU (business as usual) in politics with votes ignored and shady back room deals being made. They belong to that system, it owns them. 

I get you're not very bright, you are just watching with your thumb up your butt as the Demoncrats set a world record for an impeachment "trial". To what possible end? It is because they know they stole this election and they are fighting like hell to poison the well so even when all the truth comes out, they'll be able to argue "mootness" meaning it's bad, so sad but nothing you can do about it now? Most of the court cases were hurriedly started because they were trying to intercede before the electoral college votes.

There was a Hail Mary pass attempted but the quarterback fumbled the ball and the DNC orchestrated the Capitol "break in" to distract from the actual theft going on. But now what? Those other cases still slowly working their way through the judicial system are going to come to completion. How will America react? Right now the Lindell video is being purged wherever and whenever it is being posted or mentioned. But that tactic is having a reverse effect. People without a political bone in their body are saying, "It all must be True or they wouldn't be trying so hard to hide it". You're fighting a losing useful idiot battle. I just wonder why? What's possibly in it for you? Even Stalin had zero use for the "useful idiots" once their job was done. He named them that and personally despised them. So what's your end game here? 

[Jeffrey Brown + 208]

McConnell says Taylor Greene's embrace of conspiracy theories a ‘cancer'

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/536850-mcconnell-says-taylor-greene-a-cancer-to-gop-country

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Monday blasted Georgia GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s embrace of “loony lies and conspiracy theories” as a “cancer for the Republican Party.” 

“Somebody who’s suggested that perhaps no airplane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, that horrifying school shootings were pre-staged, and that the Clintons crashed JFK Jr.’s airplane is not living in reality,” McConnell said in a statement first shared with The Hill. “This has nothing to do with the challenges facing American families or the robust debates on substance that can strengthen our party.”

McConnell didn't mention Greene by name in his three-sentence statement, but his rare, scathing remarks about a freshman GOP lawmaker from the other chamber suggests he recognizes the potential damage her violent rhetoric and bizarre conspiracy theories could inflict on congressional Republicans as they try to take back both the House and Senate in next year’s midterms.  

[Symmetry + 109]

8 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

 Talk about the butt hurt crowd

Keep up your backwards logic where the winners are upset.

Your bum might feel better if you sit on your my pillow. You've been taking it a lot lately.

[Symmetry + 109]

4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

If and when evidence gets to be presented in court, my side will absolutely win.

 

How long before this "win" happens?  Or do you just need to leave this open-ended so you can feel like you won in perpetuity despite all the evidence you lost? 

What "side" are you on exactly?  The traitors?  Certainly not the law, as that has already decided on the matter.

[Boat + 1,325]

4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

If and when evidence gets to be presented in court, my side will absolutely win. Everyone with an IQ over room temperature knows it, especially the democrats in Congress and quite a few RINOS as well. They were happy with BAU (business as usual) in politics with votes ignored and shady back room deals being made. They belong to that system, it owns them. 

I get you're not very bright, you are just watching with your thumb up your butt as the Demoncrats set a world record for an impeachment "trial". To what possible end? It is because they know they stole this election and they are fighting like hell to poison the well so even when all the truth comes out, they'll be able to argue "mootness" meaning it's bad, so sad but nothing you can do about it now? Most of the court cases were hurriedly started because they were trying to intercede before the electoral college votes.

There was a Hail Mary pass attempted but the quarterback fumbled the ball and the DNC orchestrated the Capitol "break in" to distract from the actual theft going on. But now what? Those other cases still slowly working their way through the judicial system are going to come to completion. How will America react? Right now the Lindell video is being purged wherever and whenever it is being posted or mentioned. But that tactic is having a reverse effect. People without a political bone in their body are saying, "It all must be True or they wouldn't be trying so hard to hide it". You're fighting a losing useful idiot battle. I just wonder why? What's possibly in it for you? Even Stalin had zero use for the "useful idiots" once their job was done. He named them that and personally despised them. So what's your end game here? 

The Republican billionair lawyers have done a pretty piss poor job showing election fraud. In fact they will get a chance in multiple billion dollar lawsuits to show the evidence once again. Keep at it. Set the truth free and win or lose billions. You gotta love it.

From the beginning I wanted the recounts and encouraged the truth. That’s my endgame. I’m not like you Ward. 
What the Dems do and what the Republicans do is called politics. What I do is wait, and wait like most of us do for the mud, the smoking gun. I don’t like the liar that was the chief but hey I don’t decide anything. 
I am certainly skeptical of most your facts but time will tell. I got time. Plenty of time. I even have money I would like to bet on the outcome of many of what I perceive to be Coup attempting traitors. But I know nothing, we’ll see who’s perception of events is more credible. It’s just a matter of time.

[surrept33 + 612]

5 hours ago, Boat said:

The Republican billionair lawyers have done a pretty piss poor job showing election fraud. In fact they will get a chance in multiple billion dollar lawsuits to show the evidence once again. Keep at it. Set the truth free and win or lose billions. You gotta love it.

From the beginning I wanted the recounts and encouraged the truth. That’s my endgame. I’m not like you Ward. 
What the Dems do and what the Republicans do is called politics. What I do is wait, and wait like most of us do for the mud, the smoking gun. I don’t like the liar that was the chief but hey I don’t decide anything. 
I am certainly skeptical of most your facts but time will tell. I got time. Plenty of time. I even have money I would like to bet on the outcome of many of what I perceive to be Coup attempting traitors. But I know nothing, we’ll see who’s perception of events is more credible. It’s just a matter of time.

I agree 100%. Personally I thought this was good common sense to help "fix":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort_reform

(of course devil is in the details).

Now a comment from a good magnum opus I read a few years ago about "famous" neuroscientist and primatologist Robert M Sapolsky in the book Behave:

Quote

This is the center point of the this book - we don't hate violence. We hate the and fear the wrong kind of violence. Violence in the wrong context. Because violence in the right context is different. We pay good money to watch it in a stadium. We teach our kids to fight back. We feel proud, when our bones start creak in our middle age, that we can manage a "dirty hip-check" in a weekend basketball game with our friends (or random strangers). Our conversations are filled with military metaphors - we rally the troops after our ideas get shot down. Our sports teams' names celebrate violence - Warriors, Vikings, Lions, Tigers, Bears. We even think this way about something as cerebral as chess -- "Kasparov kept pressing for a murderous attack. Towards the end Kasparov had to oppose threats of violence with the same". We build theologies around violence, elect leaders who excel at it, and some chose to preferentially mate with champs of human combat. When it's the right type of violence, we love it.

However, it's the ambiguity of violence, that we can pull an act of hideous aggregation or a self-sacrificing love, that is an challenge. This book explores the biology of violence, aggression, and competition, and the behaviors and impulses behind them, the acts of individuals, groups, and statesm and when they are 'good' or 'bad' things. But it is also a book about the ways that people also do the opposite. What does biology teach us about cooperation, affiliation, reconciliation, empathy, altruism.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Behave/sJKoDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1

 

I also thought Scott Adam's book on "Winny Bigly" was interesting, but in a different way (it taught me a simple "trait" of human nature, nobody wants to be the putz). I think Sapolsky has a lot more "interesting" case studies (because he's literally studied human and other primate behavior his whole life). Many things end up being rorschach tests in the end. I think it's good to be a skeptic, but we "recall", we might be skeptical about each other but not about ourselves. 

 

Why do I bring up violence? Well, I "remember" playing with realistic-ish guns for the first time. It was synthetically (in a game). In something like QuakeWorld (by id Software but really it was "abused" by people going online with modems and playing around the world), one of the first online first person shooters. It was the late 90s so it was a 33.6k modem (I think?) I was a kid. I was modifiable (probably like minecraft or something like that for kids these days?), so I could modify the ballistics of things like bullets (or other types of "matter" or "energy") such that accuracy was improved (sending encodings of the "world state" was noisy, slow, delayed, and didn't scale, but it was 3d, so I could "embody" the "cognition" of it in whatever "medium"). I could also "hack" the game since to have an unfair advantage (I could have "extra-sensory perception" by hacking walls, create aim bots, etc). I learned whatever algebra of lines and silly strings, but I was no genius, I had a technological advantage by being in the right place right time without the wrong "distractions". 

The problem is that I didn't feel the "emotions" till later because of my lack of maturity and lack of executive control. Since it was the '90s, there was a lot of stuff (available to me) we (in the "west") learned after the iron curtain fell down and we learned a floodgate of new techniques from "dead empires" of the past. For example, I accidently had learned to do "optimal control" (which both pointrygain and bellman coinvented, but the notation of the soviets made more sense to me, and the broader applications by the west). A lot of progress was made by mixing ideas not ideologies. You can even see it on stuff like "social 2.0" - for example TickTock duets, or Orgami (by facebook) or many other examples. Stuff like follower, likes, whatever turned often to be easy to implement, but observationally (strongly) dualizing (near all) societies. 

I learned many things were maybe right ideas (these days I like to even think some "sorts" of ideas are probably on the right track "directionally"), but perhaps wrong time in *many* cultures.

Think about a pattern matching and garment making. Who probably invented boolean logic? Certainly not George Bool, but probably some unnamed woman in China or India creating a wheel and another (cleverly rotated) smaller wheel (weaving a loom), and mechanizing the rote knitting "patterns" of some *silky* garments.

Eventually I learned how to optimize a lot of stuff in many formalisms. Of course, it is wise to remember that the real world is different from any simulation of a world. What is a skeuomorph *design* of "pages" and some "crumbs" that let you "hop" between those pages? You could create a metric ruler to "measure" something like that in the real world. These days I think technology helps with learning from all the winners and losers of the likely wars and violence that probably happened so that we can collectively manage risk better in the future. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by surrept33