Oh the Dems!!! They cheer for helping people while stabbing them in the back!!! Enbridge asks Canadian government to support oil pipeline in dispute with Michigan

[El Gato + 254]

On 3/21/2021 at 1:29 PM, Boat said:

Let me add US energy and as far as that goes, North American energy independence is important. That’s a huge market. And yes we should eat the pollution we consume from home grown produced energy. But FF exports outside N America is not worth the pollution risks, deaths, quality of life issues and increasing health care costs. 

The point appearantly went over your head. WE NEED CANADIAN HEAVY CRUDE. WE CAN"T MAKE OUR OWN EXCEPT IN CALIFORNIA.

IT COSTS TOO MUCH TO CONVERT REFINERIES TO OTHER TYPE OF CRUDE. Short simple and to the point

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 3/20/2021 at 5:25 PM, surrept33 said:

I agree and disagree. As is usual, when there are competing tradeoffs (for example, the certainty of the need for supply of a good/service as well the cumulative risk of providing said service), I think the question to be asked is, what is the fungibility of the good, and how has the perceived fungibility of the good changed over time? 

Like it or not, in the United States, much of our tort system (and associated cost/insurance "diseases") are based on Oliver Wendell Holmes's thought (which really was derived from 1000 years of English Common Law). I think this is interesting to revisit since his legal opinions were scribed during an era of mass infrastructure building, for example transcontinental railroads and canals, which sometimes had unexpected side effects. Luckily, we have the benefits of more data points now? 

https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/text_blocks/951

Interstate commerce is essential for the country to function properly. Blocking interstate commerce of essential products should be illegal IMHO. Wars have been fought over blockades of essential products, especially natural gas and oil. 

[frankfurter + 562]

Has nobody realised the pipeline crosses sovereign Native lands, and thus is a violation of Native and USA laws?  Americans tout a 'rules based world order', so how about respecting the rule of law?  Or, human rights? Enbridge is simply another example of the pillage and plunder economy of the USA.

 

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13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Has nobody realised the pipeline crosses sovereign Native lands, and thus is a violation of Native and USA laws?  Americans tout a 'rules based world order', so how about respecting the rule of law?  Or, human rights? Enbridge is simply another example of the pillage and plunder economy of the USA.

 

Does China treat ethnic minorities ethically?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-religious-ethnic-minorities-uighur-muslim-harvest-organs-un-human-rights-a9117911.html

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 3/22/2021 at 3:29 PM, Symmetry said:

I asked this very question to a pipeline engineer (not always oil)

As always the answer is money.

Inspections that find no problems are a waste of money, in a way.

Operators cost money, hire too few they get overworked and/or lazy. Out-of-control process measurements are ignored. Shutting down a process to do an inspection / repair also costs money - sometimes a lot. Often there is internal organizational pressure to not hit the stop button.

Also when lines are near end-of-life or needing major repair they start becoming a liability.  What sometimes happens is the old, damage "asset" is sold off to a less ethical, smaller company willing to accept the risk.  If disaster strikes they just go bankrupt; cleanup costs are dumped on the taxpayer or a producer associations' fund.

 

Government agencies to not run the lines, the companies do.

If that is the case, that shows a need for more government oversight, more regulations, more fees for government inspections etc. Same with flaring etc.