Roch + 537 DR March 30, 2021 (edited) "And 21 other attorneys general across the country are joining Knudsen in a lawsuit challenging Biden’s move." "Interstate and international commerce, according to the Constitution, has to be regulated by Congress not by the president,” Knudsen said. “And that’s really the crux of our argument here.” https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/30/montana-ag-we-have-strong-constitutional-case-lawsuit-against-bidens-keystone-pipeline-shutdown/ Edited March 30, 2021 by Roch 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR March 30, 2021 Just now, Roch said: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/30/montana-ag-we-have-strong-constitutional-case-lawsuit-against-bidens-keystone-pipeline-shutdown/ More to come 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,545 March 30, 2021 Yeah. Constitutional arguments worked really well against a presidential Executive Order for some native-born American citizens of Asian background after Pearl Harbor, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR March 30, 2021 (edited) On 3/30/2021 at 7:30 PM, Roch said: . Turd guy , The lawsuit was filed in the Southern Texas District Federal Court. Please understand this is NOT the New York Southern District (Manhattan) Federal Court run by hyper-partisan Cy Vance. Advantage 21 Atty's General What the hell does this have to do with Asian treatment after Pearl Harbor ? Here is the basis for their case : The decision to shut down the Keystone XL Pipeline affected hundreds of thousands of people directly and millions indirectly causing many to take issue including twenty one Republican state attorneys general who filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday against the Biden administration. Leading the fight are Montana and Texas, pointing out that Biden overstepped his constitutional authority when he revoked the Keystone XL Pipeline’s federal permit on Jan. 20 hours after entering office. The lawsuit against Biden was filed Wednesday afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas. Daily Caller reports: “The power to regulate foreign and interstate commerce belongs to Congress – not the President,” Montana Attorney General Knudsen said in a statement Wednesday. “This is another example of Joe Biden overstepping his constitutional role to the detriment of Montanans.” “There is not even a perceived environmental benefit to his actions – his attempt to cancel the Keystone XL Pipeline is an empty virtue signal to his wealthy coastal elite donors,” Knudsen said. “It shows Biden’s contempt for rural communities in Montana and other states along the pipeline’s path that would benefit from and support the project.” Congress never granted the president the authority to revoke the pipeline’s permit, which is a regulation of interstate and international commerce, according to the lawsuit. The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the sole power to regulate interstate and international commerce. Further, Biden violated the rules previously set by Congress on what actions the executive branch may take regarding the Keystone pipeline, the lawsuit said. Read the full story here. Edited April 1, 2021 by Roch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR March 31, 2021 (edited) With that being said I don't know if the Atty's General have a case against Biden. If you remember back to the Obama Administration Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the Keystone XL. It was my understanding that because this was an international pipeline crossing the border between two countries it's the responsibility of the State Dept (aka Hillary) to analyze and approve the pipeline . Lobbyist and representatives of BIG Oil made generous donations to the Clinton Foundation and promised support for Hillary. EVERYONE knew Hillary was going to be the next President of the United States. * Hillary outsourced the Environmental Impact analysis to a consulting firm. It just so happened to be the same consulting firm that (1) just hired two former Hillary Clinton staffers. (2) The same consulting firm that had a Canadian client called TransCanada (changed name to TC Energy) . Yes, the very same company that was building and owned the Keystone pipeline. * The report found the pipeline had limited Environmental Impact. * Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the XL pipeline. * Afterwards President Obama took a lot of heat from his environmental supporters , including major Democrat Donor Styer . As a result they came up with an excuse to reevaluate the Environmental Impact. The new report found the pipeline was harmful to the environment. The XL was cancelled. * In 2015 as Hillary was getting ready to run for President she did a complete 180° turn and made it clear she NOW was opposed to the Keystone XL. So the question is .. .. .. Does Congress decide or does the Secretary of State determine if the pipeline goes forward ? The pipeline Environmental Impact under the Trump Administration was cleared and pipeline approved. I don't think an approved pipeline that has already been approved and construction started can be cancelled by an Executive Order. Can the Greenies file more lawsuits and stall construction indefinitely ? Can Biden State Dept do yet another Environmental Impact study and stop the construction ? Will be an interesting case to watch. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_997523 Edited April 5, 2021 by Roch 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,477 DL March 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Roch said: With that being said I don't know if the Atty's General have a case against Biden. If you remember back to the Obama Administration Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the Keystone XL. It was my understanding that because this was an international pipeline crossing the border between two countries it's the responsibility of the State Dept (aka Hillary) to analyze and approve the pipeline . Lobbyist and representatives of BIG Oil made generous donations to the Clinton Foundation and promised support for Hillary. EVERYONE knew Hillary was going to be the next President of the United States. * Hillary outsourced the Environmental Impact analysis to a consulting firm. It just so happened to be the same consulting firm that (1) just hired two former Hillary Clinton staffers. (2) The same consulting firm that had a Canadian client called TransCanada (changed name to TV Energy) . Yes, the company that was building and owned the Keystone pipeline. * The report found the pipeline had limited Environmental Impact. * Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the XL pipeline. * Afterwards President Obama took a lot of heat from the constituents. As a result they came up with an excuse to reevaluate the Environmental Impact. The new report found it created harm. The XL was cancelled. * In 2015 as Hillary was getting ready to run for President she did a 180° turn and made it clear she NOW was opposed to the Keystone XL. So the question is .. .. .. Does Congress decide or does the Secretary of State determine if the pipeline goes forward ? The pipeline Environmental Impact under the Trump Administration was cleared and pipeline approved. I don't think an approved pipeline that has already been approved and construction started can be cancelled by an Executive Order. Can the Greenies file more lawsuits and stall construction indefinitely ? Can Biden State Dept do yet another Environmental Impact study and stop the construction ? Will be an interesting case. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_997523 For sure, those who suffer financial loss from the on-again/off-again approval/disapproval twists and turns of the Presidential changes of minds have a very strong case to sue for damages, there is no doubt about that. Pipeline companies and governments have already invested billions into constructing these new pipelines which are now threatened with belated cancellation. And those damages will have to be paid for by the American taxpayer who elected this guy to be President and do yet another political pirouette which lands the government into damage responsibility territory. There will be more worries if this flow of oil becomes transitioned into rail transportation routes, which is environmentally a less secure and desirable outcome. Pay up, Prez. Financially and politically. Edited March 31, 2021 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregory1972 + 30 GT March 31, 2021 13 hours ago, Roch said: * Hillary outsourced the Environmental Impact analysis to a consulting firm. It just so happened to be the same consulting firm that (1) just hired two former Hillary Clinton staffers. (2) The same consulting firm that had a Canadian client called TransCanada (changed name to TV Energy) . Yes, the company that was building and owned the Keystone pipeline. Can you provide the name of the consulting company? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR March 31, 2021 (edited) On 3/30/2021 at 8:31 PM, Roch said: With that being said I don't know if the Atty's General have a case against Biden. If you remember back to the Obama Administration Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the Keystone XL. It was my understanding that because this was an international pipeline crossing the border between two countries it's the responsibility of the State Dept (aka Hillary) to analyze and approve the pipeline . Lobbyist and representatives of BIG Oil made generous donations to the Clinton Foundation and promised support for Hillary. EVERYONE knew Hillary was going to be the next President of the United States. * Hillary outsourced the Environmental Impact analysis to a consulting firm. It just so happened to be the same consulting firm that (1) just hired two former Hillary Clinton staffers. (2) The same consulting firm that had a Canadian client called TransCanada (changed name to TC Energy) . Yes, the company that was building and owned the Keystone pipeline. * The report found the pipeline had limited Environmental Impact. * Secretary of State Hillary Clinton approved the XL pipeline. * Afterwards President Obama took a lot of heat from his environmental supporters , including Styer . As a result they came up with an excuse to reevaluate the Environmental Impact. The new report found the pipeline was harmful to the environment. The XL was cancelled. * In 2015 as Hillary was getting ready to run for President she did a compleye 180° turn and made it clear she NOW was opposed to the Keystone XL. So the question is .. .. .. Does Congress decide or does the Secretary of State determine if the pipeline goes forward ? The pipeline Environmental Impact under the Trump Administration was cleared and pipeline approved. I don't think an approved pipeline that has already been approved and construction started can be cancelled by an Executive Order. Can the Greenies file more lawsuits and stall construction indefinitely ? Can Biden State Dept do yet another Environmental Impact study and stop the construction ? Will be an interesting case to watch. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_997523 "In 2010, Secretary Clinton said she was “inclined” to approve the project, despite the Obama administration’s public opposition. In August 2011, Bill Clinton said, “We should embrace [Keystone XL].” In August 2011, Clinton’s State Department greenlighted the Keystone XL environmental review and stated the project will have “no significant impacts” to most U.S. resources. TransCanada lobbyist Giffin has donated between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. And TD Bank paid Bill Clinton more than $1.7 million to deliver 10 speeches, while the State Department considered the Keystone XL approval" Additional money was paid to Bill Clinton for speeches or donations to the the Clinton Foundation by oil companies that were developing Oil Sands. Edited April 1, 2021 by Roch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Gregory1972 said: Can you provide the name of the consulting company? WASHINGTON, D.C. – The State Department knew the consulting firm hired to review the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline had ties to pipeline builder TransCanada and oil companies with a stake in the project, but accepted the consultant’s claims that it had no conflict of interest and tried to cover up the truth, government documents reveal. The Huffington Post reported today that the documents, released by the State Department to the Sierra Club under the Freedom of Information Act, show that Environmental Resources Management, the London-based consultants who conducted the review of the pipeline’s environmental impacts, had “conflicts of interest that should have prevented it from winning the contract for the analysis of the controversial pipeline.” 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregory1972 + 30 GT March 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Roch said: "In 2010, Secretary Clinton said she was “inclined” to approve the project, despite the Obama administration’s public opposition. In August 2011, Bill Clinton said, “We should embrace [Keystone XL].” In August 2011, Clinton’s State Department greenlighted the Keystone XL environmental review and stated the project will have “no significant impacts” to most U.S. resources. TransCanada lobbyist Giffin has donated between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. And TD Bank paid Bill Clinton more than $1.7 million to deliver 10 speeches, while the State Department considered the Keystone XL approval" Additional money was paid to Bill Clinton for speeches or donations to the Clinton Foundation by Canadian Chamber of Commerce , Oil Companies that were developing Oil Sands and other stake holders. Interesting but certainly not noteworthy... name one politician that hasn't received a bribe campaign donation from oil interests. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roch + 537 DR April 1, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Gregory1972 said: Interesting but certainly not noteworthy... name one politician that hasn't received a bribe campaign donation from oil interests. Giving former President Bill Clinton $1.7Million for making speeches by Canadian TD bank is not a campaign contribution. Edited April 1, 2021 by Roch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,477 DL April 1, 2021 An interesting poll of the American people regarding their attitudes towards oil pipelines, and it looks like prudence, intelligence, long-range planning are characteristics which prevail among the people. In contrast to climate agitators and climate alarmism specialists. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Shock-Of-The-Week-Poll-Reveals-US-Pipelines-Arent-Actually-Unpopular.html 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,477 DL April 1, 2021 (edited) So now the climate alarmists have been kicked out of court yet again, whining and wailing about nothing in particular. This exposes the feeble foundations of the "green" movement, all talk and no substance. And if this ridiculous "lawsuit" had ever staggered its blundering way into a court room, the scientific evidence now available showing the weak role actually played by atmospheric CO2 in climate change would have overwhelmed the flimsy arguments of the greenie agitators. Reality is breaking through, as it always eventually does. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Big-Oil-Beats-NYC-Appeal-On-Climate-Change-Lawsuit.html Edited April 1, 2021 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites