TailingsPond + 633 GE July 20 (edited) 7 hours ago, specinho said: Holy grail of evolution: Funny post, but I get what you are going for. We are defined by our tool use abilities and political system / state. Yes, we can go backwards (e.g. dark ages). Sadly, the next Era may be rather grim if we do not control pollution and political stability. War produces so much pollution every other action becomes useless. The following is a timeline of eras: Stone Age: 3.3 million to 5,000 years ago. Bronze Age: 5,000 to 1,400 years ago (1,200 BC) Iron Age: 1,200 BC to 500 BC. Classical Era: 500 BC to 500 AD. Medieval Era: 500 AD to 1500 AD. Early Modern Era: 1500 AD to 1800 AD. Modern Era: 1800 AD to present. Edited July 20 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 20 (edited) How often do you see two solar panels crash into each other and send people to hospital and cause environmental damage? https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Two-Oil-Tankers-Are-on-Fire-After-Colliding-in-International-Waters.html Oh and price of oil is way down due to China wanting less. Ecocharger's claim was $100 by Jan 1st. $80 at the end of July is way off bud. Perhaps you failed economics? Edited July 20 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 20 12 hours ago, turbguy said: If this thread was posted in China, at least ½ of the posters here would hear a knock on the door, and the next day would be in a "re-education" camp. Think about that. Well, I do not control China, so perhaps you should visit the CCP Chairman and make your points to him. Good luck. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 20 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: How often do you see two solar panels crash into each other and send people to hospital and cause environmental damage? https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Two-Oil-Tankers-Are-on-Fire-After-Colliding-in-International-Waters.html Oh and price of oil is way down due to China wanting less. Ecocharger's claim was $100 by Jan 1st. $80 at the end of July is way off bud. Perhaps you failed economics? The future of fossil fuels looks very strong, Chinese demand is only going to increase with massive investments in new fossil fuel vehicles and increased growth of industrial capacity. Enjoy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 20 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Well, I do not control China, so perhaps you should visit the CCP Chairman and make your points to him. Good luck. Well... ...at least, you thought about it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 20 (edited) 12 hours ago, turbguy said: Tell that to GE and Westinghouse in the 1960's, when the "prices" of household toasters, to HV switchgear, were being concertedly manipulated at the highest levels of management. That didn't work out well for them... FTC looks at market power, so there is nothing to find in the oil or gasoline markets. American firms are price-takers, markets are competitive. This is all for show, the investigation began with the change in political parties, has run for years without anything showing up, will soon die a painless death. Ho-hum. Edited July 20 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 20 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: The future of fossil fuels looks very strong, Chinese demand is only going to increase with massive investments in new fossil fuel vehicles and increased growth of industrial capacity. Enjoy. The future of fossil fuels looks very strong, Chinese demand is only going to increase????? not anymore Peak coal already happened...Oil demand in China craters pesky solar panels and EVs Luddite ....head to your safe place .... https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/16/chinas-carbon-emissions-fall-as-economy-slows-while-other-emissions-rise/ China’s Carbon Emissions Fall As Economy Slows, While Other Emissions Rise 3 days agoSteve Hanley39 Comments Coal-fired electricity generation slumped for a second straight month in June and declined 7.4%, the biggest drop since May of 2022 when Shanghai was in a Covid lockdown, according to data released Monday by China’s National Bureau of Statistics. Oil demand in China slipped into a marginal contraction in the second quarter as weaker growth has dented consumption of transport and industrial fuels, the International Energy Agency said earlier this month. Clean Power Surging In China Generation from renewables is meeting nearly all new demand, according to the National Bureau of Statistics in China. Bloomberg cautions that the data only includes large facilities, which means any contribution from rooftop solar is likely undercounted. Record installations of solar panels and wind turbines mean renewable energy generation is surging, which helps reduce reliance on more polluting sources even as power demand rises. If China’s rapid deployment of solar and wind continues, the country’s carbon emissions are “likely to continue falling, making 2023 the peak year,” Lauri Myllyvirta, senior fellow at the Asia Society Policy Institute, said in a report last week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 20 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: FTC looks at market power, so there is nothing to find in the oil or gasoline markets. American firms are price-takers, markets are competitive. This is all for show, the investigation began with the change in political parties, has run for years without anything showing up, will soon die a painless death. Ho-hum. Just who is the "price maker" then? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 20 3 hours ago, turbguy said: Just who is the "price maker" then? Eco believes that there are no OPEC production cuts and current oil prices are not manipulated, it's purely supply and demand curves and market forces! https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/opec-seen-prolonging-cuts-2024-into-2025-two-sources-say-2024-06-02/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 20 8 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Eco believes that there are no OPEC production cuts and current oil prices are not manipulated, it's purely supply and demand curves and market forces! https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/opec-seen-prolonging-cuts-2024-into-2025-two-sources-say-2024-06-02/ I guess that power and money runs very deep across this world. Yup, those are curves that can be controlled very well these days... Politics in the background? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 21 On 7/20/2024 at 10:02 AM, Ecocharger said: FTC looks at market power, so there is nothing to find in the oil or gasoline markets. American firms are price-takers, markets are competitive. This is all for show, the investigation began with the change in political parties, has run for years without anything showing up, will soon die a painless death. Ho-hum. You posted about the recent investigation yourself, now it is years old and about to die? Try to be self-consistent bud. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/FTC-Probes-Oil-Executives-Texts-for-OPEC-Collusion.html Capitulation is a loss. Disappear now like the other exposed terrorists. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 21 (edited) Now that Biden officially dropped out I wonder what the resident terrorist's new orders will be. Obviously, China wants Trump to win (remember his failed trade war). The question is who will eco-terrorist try to smear now? Edited July 21 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 21 29 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Now that Biden officially dropped out I wonder what the resident terrorist's new orders will be. Obviously, China wants Trump to win (remember his failed trade war). The question is who will eco-terrorist try to smear now? I would be very surprised if the GOP has not anticipated such an occurrence, and have some "ducks in a row" as response. The situation that takes me back is that I thought Jan 6 would tear the GOP into two factions. It appears it did not (which says a lot about honesty and integrity mindset in that group). Instead, it's the DEMS who seem fractionated... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 22 1 hour ago, turbguy said: The situation that takes me back is that I thought Jan 6 would tear the GOP into two factions. It appears it did not (which says a lot about honesty and integrity mindset in that group). Some of JD Vance past comments on trump are epic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 446 July 22 (edited) On 7/20/2024 at 5:43 PM, TailingsPond said: Funny post, but I get what you are going for. We are defined by our tool use abilities and political system / state. Yes, we can go backwards (e.g. dark ages). Sadly, the next Era may be rather grim if we do not control pollution and political stability. War produces so much pollution every other action becomes useless. The following is a timeline of eras: Stone Age: 3.3 million to 5,000 years ago. Bronze Age: 5,000 to 1,400 years ago (1,200 BC) Iron Age: 1,200 BC to 500 BC. Classical Era: 500 BC to 500 AD. Medieval Era: 500 AD to 1500 AD. Early Modern Era: 1500 AD to 1800 AD. Modern Era: 1800 AD to present. Thank you for noticing... Cycle of things... One key component is missing: humanity. The earth comprises of living things and non living things. During the pursue for non living things, we might have forsaken our care for the living. If the living things are not our concern, nothing we do will be right... But a superficial show to control more of non living things. Shall, by chance, you are able to sense that you are losing your ability to care for the living, it might be time to pause and think if you were to: a) spend the rest of your time being a humanoid of no feel b) spend the rest of your time like octopus and monkeys c) spend the rest of your time with passion and meaning. Most people, if not all, will no longer have this ability to sense the lack of humanity in them. The controlling power is very strong...and you hardly know it... Only love for the living will change things for the better..... Edited July 22 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 22 (edited) On 7/20/2024 at 9:59 AM, Ecocharger said: The future of fossil fuels looks very strong, Chinese demand is only going to increase with massive investments in new fossil fuel vehicles and increased growth of industrial capacity. Enjoy. The future of fossil fuels looks very strong????? and within 2 days the price for oil into the near future is set to decline under $80 for the next 2 years .............that would make the future of the fossil fuel Oil very weak what happened to your $100 oil?????? reality there is no increasing Oil demand today. China is decreasing its overall oil usage and EVs in China have insured that Peak oil in China happened last year... the following article tries to prop up support for oil with the statement.... Currently, the oil market is tight and warrants the $80s per barrel price range,............ yet within hours of its posting oil craps out and WTI falls under $80 with Brent following in its footsteps No the current market does not warrant $80 Oil ....it warrants $65 oil........the market is oversupplied......this is why Opec has cut their output by over 5 million barrels a day... and it is still oversupplied....and the reason.....the great increase in demand that was predicted in 2024...NEVER HAPPENED. The number one driver in demand for the past 15 years...China ....has turned its back on ICE vehicles on a massive scale and will, over the next 20 years, decrease its oil demand. Oil is now doomed . Peak Oil has already happened the only way to Keep Brent above $80 is for OPEC to cut supply again .........5 million plus BPD cut only maintained the price at $80 and the market is still oversupplied. Anyone thinking that OPEC will step up and cut their supply to over 6 million BPD???? as this is what it will take to to keep Brent at $80 for the next year...Newsflash demand in China in the next year is going to decrease from its depressed levels today. When OPEC figures out that China is never going to increase its oil demand, as it did in the past, it will flood the market with oil as it did 10 years ago......and the price of oil will crater to well under $70 ......$under $70 is possible by November and Gasoline under $3 at the pump in the US Enjoy the Green Agenda, pesky EVs and solar panels are ending the Coal age and Oil age According to the bank, global refinery runs will hit their 2024 peak in August and are not expected to reach this level again until July next year. That's why Morgan Stanley expects Brent Crude prices to drop from current levels to the mid $70s to high $70s per barrel range in 2025.46 mins ago Morgan Stanley Sees Oil Prices Dropping to the Mid-$70s ... Love the BS in the article...........Currently, the oil market is tight and warrants the $80s per barrel price range...ha ha ha just a pipe dream Edited July 22 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 24 (edited) On 7/20/2024 at 3:20 PM, turbguy said: Just who is the "price maker" then? The market. These are competitive markets and give no cause for anti-trust actions. The Biden investigation was all show and no substance. Not sure what this guy is doing still directing the American economy today, time for him to rest and retire. As in tomorrow. Give the lady VP a chance to show what she can do. Edited July 24 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 24 (edited) On 7/21/2024 at 5:50 PM, TailingsPond said: Now that Biden officially dropped out I wonder what the resident terrorist's new orders will be. Obviously, China wants Trump to win (remember his failed trade war). The question is who will eco-terrorist try to smear now? The game is over, bud. You lost. I guess someone forgot to wake you up. Edited July 24 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 24 Pesky EVs , solar panels a battery storage their costs keep dropping Coal and Oil are doomed Enjoy the read and the Green agenda...the air is getting cleaner as Coal fired plants and clunkers end up being scrapped https://www.electrive.com/2024/07/12/plummeting-battery-prices-in-china-may-normalise-evs-globally/ electrive.com Plummeting battery prices in China may normalise EVs globally Battery prices in China are falling rapidly with no end in sight. Analysts view the trend as a catalyst in the mass-level decarbonisation of... . 1 week ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 24 40 minutes ago, notsonice said: Pesky EVs , solar panels a battery storage their costs keep dropping Coal and Oil are doomed Enjoy the read and the Green agenda...the air is getting cleaner as Coal fired plants and clunkers end up being scrapped https://www.electrive.com/2024/07/12/plummeting-battery-prices-in-china-may-normalise-evs-globally/ electrive.com Plummeting battery prices in China may normalise EVs globally Battery prices in China are falling rapidly with no end in sight. Analysts view the trend as a catalyst in the mass-level decarbonisation of... . 1 week ago Ha ha. It's over...no point in babbling on with your usual stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 24 (edited) Oil demand is cratering... mass selloff happening in Oil right now Shorts are making a killing China is ditching clunkers Enjoy the Green agenda Crude Oil Prices Today | OilPrice.com Oil Sinks as Signs of Tepid Crude Demand in Asia Multiply A supertanker of North Sea crude recently sold in Asia at a price below the spot North Sea and Middle Eastern grades,... . 13 hours ago Edited July 24 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 24 no one is stepping up in the oil market.....white flag is being raised https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-prices-tick-lower-struggling-to-shake-off-broader-commodities-gloom-801c1836 Oil prices extend their decline as worries about weaker demand prevail Oil futures declined on Tuesday, on track to extend losses that saw crude end the previous session at the lowest levels in more than five... . 17 hours ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL July 24 (edited) 14 minutes ago, notsonice said: no one is stepping up in the oil market.....white flag is being raised https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-prices-tick-lower-struggling-to-shake-off-broader-commodities-gloom-801c1836 Oil prices extend their decline as worries about weaker demand prevail Oil futures declined on Tuesday, on track to extend losses that saw crude end the previous session at the lowest levels in more than five... . 17 hours ago Oil demand is fine, inventories are declining. Don't worry, the world will still be fossil fuel tomorrow and next year and next century. Time to clean out Washington first. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Crude-Oil-Inventories-Continue-to-Fall.html Edited July 24 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 24 11 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The market. These are competitive markets and give no cause for anti-trust actions. You have said that American firms are the "price-takers", AND they are part of the market, who you say are are the price-makers. Now, I am confused. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE July 24 4 hours ago, turbguy said: You have said that American firms are the "price-takers", AND they are part of the market, who you say are are the price-makers. Now, I am confused. Yeah, he demonstrates his usual "logic" there. Obviously these super rich oil firms have zero effect on the market. Technically, nothing can be interacted with or measured without changing it in some way. Physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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