GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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58 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

"Aston Martin's pre-tax loss was 90 percent lower during its latest financial period, boosted by a rise in wholesale volumes.

The Warwickshire-headquartered luxury car maker has reported a pre-tax loss of £12.2m for its third quarter, down from the £117.6m loss it posted during the same three-month period in 2022.

Did you read this at all?  "Aston Martin reported a pre-tax loss of £12.2m."

Do you think losing money is a good sign for the industry?  Look at Tesla Q3 profits and get back to me.

"The electric-vehicle giant reported Wednesday that Q3 earnings grew 9% to 72 cents per share. Meanwhile, revenue totaled $25.18 billion, up 8% vs. the year-earlier quarter."

Edited October 31 by TailingsPond

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

 

Aston Martin is still producing fossil fuel cars and is having great success with them.

Seriously did you read it?  They lost loads of money!  You call that great success?

Shares down 47% past year.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AML.L/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIfOoFHf_VU6v-ycSLjIweDADFD1XhNxmkB2XMbhKUxx2jolMTbiWnZYKuNTYYmSet45lNjjOnTCXWT8HhXOUIBtwJiCfq8BcAIN8wVuAI2qjrM_0GQHvvaSgKuIrdSe9XlXgqUDOB3FkAd2POHZwez74uBBeC7D1wJBuAS_XoQL

Meanwhile Tesla up 24% past year.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+share+price&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=811d106c3f469370&sxsrf=ADLYWIIGYzYZYrpALdpbDC67mY7INxAs3w%3A1730408136170&ei=yO4jZ_6MCoPC0PEP2Pyw8A8&ved=0ahUKEwj-kJfSwLmJAxUDITQIHVg-DP4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=tesla+share+price&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiEXRlc2xhIHNoYXJlIHByaWNlMhIQIxiABBgnGIoFGJ0CGEYY-gEyBRAAGIAEMgYQABgHGB4yCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyHBAAGIAEGIoFGJ0CGEYY-gEYlwUYjAUY3QTYAQFI8A5QrANYjAtwAXgAkAEBmAGLAqABogeqAQUyLjQuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCBqAC2wTCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgINEAAYgAQYsAMYQxiKBcICDhAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIoFwgIKECMYsQIYJxidApgDAIgGAZAGCroGBggBEAEYE5IHAzMuM6AH9Dc&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Edited October 31 by TailingsPond

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51 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Did you read this at all?  "Aston Martin reported a pre-tax loss of £12.2m."

Do you think losing money is a good sign for the industry?  Look at Tesla Q3 profits and get back to me.

"The electric-vehicle giant reported Wednesday that Q3 earnings grew 9% to 72 cents per share. Meanwhile, revenue totaled $25.18 billion, up 8% vs. the year-earlier quarter."

and he has a degree in Economics........now why would someone that supports ICE vehicles such as Aston Martins get excited when Aston Martin loses money ?????????????? too many drugs???????

 

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On 10/29/2024 at 3:11 PM, TailingsPond said:

Pillow man and others lost everything from this election nonsense -  it has been decided in the courts; I will not entertain you on this.

Saying Jews caused the holocaust is unrelated and is hate speech.

Often time,

- we only hear what we want to hear,

- acknowledge only info that confirm our belief and

- mix only with people who speak the same content like us.

- We no longer need truth or fact, just how we like it known......

 

You did not bother to read before repeating yourself.

If you read again and again until you understand what was written, you will find the relation as pointed out. Or may be, you have made up your mind. Regardless what evidence shown, you will stick to your belief or what you were told/ taught... A choice is made. That's it.

 

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8 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Seriously did you read it?  They lost loads of money!  You call that great success?

Shares down 47% past year.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AML.L/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIfOoFHf_VU6v-ycSLjIweDADFD1XhNxmkB2XMbhKUxx2jolMTbiWnZYKuNTYYmSet45lNjjOnTCXWT8HhXOUIBtwJiCfq8BcAIN8wVuAI2qjrM_0GQHvvaSgKuIrdSe9XlXgqUDOB3FkAd2POHZwez74uBBeC7D1wJBuAS_XoQL

Meanwhile Tesla up 24% past year.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+share+price&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=811d106c3f469370&sxsrf=ADLYWIIGYzYZYrpALdpbDC67mY7INxAs3w%3A1730408136170&ei=yO4jZ_6MCoPC0PEP2Pyw8A8&ved=0ahUKEwj-kJfSwLmJAxUDITQIHVg-DP4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=tesla+share+price&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiEXRlc2xhIHNoYXJlIHByaWNlMhIQIxiABBgnGIoFGJ0CGEYY-gEyBRAAGIAEMgYQABgHGB4yCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyHBAAGIAEGIoFGJ0CGEYY-gEYlwUYjAUY3QTYAQFI8A5QrANYjAtwAXgAkAEBmAGLAqABogeqAQUyLjQuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCBqAC2wTCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgINEAAYgAQYsAMYQxiKBcICDhAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIoFwgIKECMYsQIYJxidApgDAIgGAZAGCroGBggBEAEYE5IHAzMuM6AH9Dc&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

 

7 hours ago, notsonice said:

and he has a degree in Economics........now why would someone that supports ICE vehicles such as Aston Martins get excited when Aston Martin loses money ?????????????? too many drugs???????

 

For your info, the latest update on financial reporting technique to evade tax is:

- reporting a loss...

In a country somewhere, there is this law saying "certain industry, could enjoy incentive of 10 year cummulative tax exemption shall running at a loss..."

Many profit running companies drop status to loss running, on that notice... 'o' '-'

And, financial report turned messy and unreadable...

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Rob, I guess you are unaware of what is happening in the British luxury high-performance auto production.

Aston Martin is still producing fossil fuel cars and is having great success with them.

https://epic.uchicago.edu/news/internal-combustion-engines-are-far-from-over-there-was-a-bit-of-hype-around-evs-industry-watchers-say/

"Aston is far from alone. Bugatti’s new hypercar, coming June 20, still features a W16 engine. Lamborghini, the Italian supercar brand, said the successor to the Huracan packs a twin-turbo V8 engine.

“Enthusiasts absolutely want a V8 in the supercar segment,” Alex Long, director of product and strategy at Aston Martin, told ABC News. “They want the sound quality it brings, the feel through the cabin, everything. Our customers are not asking for an electric Aston.”

The anti-electric attitude extends beyond the enthusiast community. Forty-six percent of Americans say they are “not too likely or not at all likely to purchase” an EV, according to a recent poll by The Associated Press -NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago.

Earlier this year, luxury German automaker Mercedes delayed its electrification plans by five years, with CEO Ola Kaellenius telling investors the company was still committed to producing combustion engine cars. Last month, Toyota executives announced its engineers were developing smaller, next-gen engines that can run on alternative fuels like liquid hydrogen.

Industry insiders are calling the trend “return to ICE,” or internal combustion engines."

And the financial rewards are obvious.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Aston-Martins-Pre-Tax-Losses-Plummet-by-90-in-Q3.html

"Aston Martin's pre-tax loss was 90 percent lower during its latest financial period, boosted by a rise in wholesale volumes.

The Warwickshire-headquartered luxury car maker has reported a pre-tax loss of £12.2m for its third quarter, down from the £117.6m loss it posted during the same three-month period in 2022.

New figures filed with the London Stock Exchange also show that Aston Martin’s revenue increased by eight percent to £391.6m over the same period."

Rob, you can borrow my handkerchief again and weep some more.

 

Eco once again comedy gold!

You spout off about the only EV sales are to the luxury market and then try and cling onto that exact market for ICE vehicles.

Aston make great cars, not so much great profits.

Please keep posting. I always get a laugh when you do.

Edited November 1 by Rob Plant

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On 11/1/2024 at 8:37 AM, Rob Plant said:

Eco once again comedy gold!

You spout off about the only EV sales are to the luxury market and then try and cling onto that exact market for ICE vehicles.

Aston make great cars, not so much great profits.

Please keep posting. I always get a laugh when you do.

Hey, Rob, it looks like the joke is on you, with EV sales declining by a huge amount in Europe, 

https://evmarketsreports.com/european-ev-sales-rise-98-in-september-2024-despite-overall-market-decline-of-61/

 "From January to September, BEV registrations totaled about 1.047.869 units, marking a 5,8% decrease compared to the same period in 2023. The steepest drop came from Germany, where BEV sales were down 28,6% year-to-date, putting a drag on overall European numbers."

"Germany: Despite an 8,7% increase in BEV sales for the month, the overall market shrank by 7%. Year-to-date, BEV sales have dropped significantly, down 28,6%, reflecting a tough environment for the largest car market in Europe.

France: Overall car registrations in France fell by 11,1% in September. BEV sales dipped 6,3%, while PHEV sales took a steep 35,8% hit. Hybrid models, however, gained popularity, with registrations climbing 38,2%."

I guess you will have to borrow my handkerchief and weep some more.

Edited November 2 by Ecocharger

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On 10/31/2024 at 4:48 PM, TailingsPond said:

Did you read this at all?  "Aston Martin reported a pre-tax loss of £12.2m."

Do you think losing money is a good sign for the industry?  Look at Tesla Q3 profits and get back to me.

"The electric-vehicle giant reported Wednesday that Q3 earnings grew 9% to 72 cents per share. Meanwhile, revenue totaled $25.18 billion, up 8% vs. the year-earlier quarter."

You mean that improved financial results is bad news? I guess you have some reading trouble.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

You mean that improved financial results is bad news? I guess you have some reading trouble.

They are improved but still garbage.

You do understand the difference between good results and improved results, right?

Did you get "most improved" awards in school? Those awards are for losers to make them feel better. Personally, I got honours awards.

You defend your statement that losing money is "great success."  You know how they could stop losing money enterily?  Shut down the whole company and do nothing! They would save £12.2m per quarter.

Keep up the entertainment! 

 

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

"Germany: Despite an 8,7% increase in BEV sales for the month, the overall market shrank by 7%.

France: Overall car registrations in France fell by 11,1% in September. BEV sales dipped 6,3%

I guess you will have to borrow my handkerchief and weep some more.

 

If overall car registrations dropped by 11.1% and BEV's only took a 6.3% hit that is a good sign for EV popularity.  Math dude.

Edited November 2 by TailingsPond

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Total sales go down by 11.1%,  BEV sales go down by 6.3%

Can you calculate the percentage decrease in non-BEV vehicle sales? Can you?

*hint* non-BEV sales had to decrease more than 6.3%.

 

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8 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

They are improved but still garbage.

You do understand the difference between good results and improved results, right?

Did you get "most improved" awards in school? Those awards are for losers to make them feel better. Personally, I got honours awards.

You defend your statement that losing money is "great success."  You know how they could stop losing money enterily?  Shut down the whole company and do nothing! They would save £12.2m per quarter.

Keep up the entertainment! 

 

You seem to have trouble reading, dude.

"France: Overall car registrations in France fell by 11,1% in September. BEV sales dipped 6,3%, while PHEV sales took a steep 35,8% hit. Hybrid models, however, gained popularity, with registrations climbing 38,2%." 

Actually, hybrids are fossil fuel vehicles. in case you did not know.

I will loan you my handkerchief so you can weep some more.

Edited November 2 by Ecocharger

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EVs are getting a bad press and are losing credibility with buyers.

https://theconversation.com/electric-car-sales-have-slumped-misinformation-is-one-of-the-reasons-240545

"In Korea, a high-profile battery fire in August 2024 led to a ban on certain electric vehicles from underground car parks. While similar bans are not common in Australia, some have been reported. These could have harmed local consumer confidence.

For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy.

Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars. Author provided using data from South Korean government agencies, CC BY"

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36 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are getting a bad press and are losing credibility with buyers.

https://theconversation.com/electric-car-sales-have-slumped-misinformation-is-one-of-the-reasons-240545

"In Korea, a high-profile battery fire in August 2024 led to a ban on certain electric vehicles from underground car parks. While similar bans are not common in Australia, some have been reported. These could have harmed local consumer confidence.

For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy.

Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars. Author provided using data from South Korean government agencies, CC BY"

Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles......Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars

Thanks for pointing this out

 

 

Edited November 3 by notsonice

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You seem to have trouble reading, dude.

"France: Overall car registrations in France fell by 11,1% in September. BEV sales dipped 6,3%, while PHEV sales took a steep 35,8% hit. Hybrid models, however, gained popularity, with registrations climbing 38,2%." 

Actually, hybrids are fossil fuel vehicles. in case you did not know.

I will loan you my handkerchief so you can weep some more.

Read, total was down 11.1% but BEV was only down 6.3%.  The fact that you mention that hybrids are fossil vehicles is funny because plug in hybrid sales took a way bigger hit than pure EVs.

Total vehicle sales: -11.1%,

BEV sales: -6.3%

PHEV sales: -35.8%  <--- fossil cars in transition

HEV sales: +38.2% <--- fossil cars in transition

ICE sales: ???  Come up with a number, do some math.

Edited November 3 by TailingsPond

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles

Haha, you do not read the stuff you post. 

Highly entertaining.

Go look up another fossil company's poor financial records and tell me how they got the most improved award.   

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On 11/2/2024 at 10:22 PM, notsonice said:

Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles......Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars

Thanks for pointing this out

 

 

We don't even know that, the gap is rapidly closing and may already be equal.

In addition, the EV fires are far worse and more dangerous than for fossil fuel vehicle fires, take place during the night and could take down a building and sleeping residents.

Sleep well!

"For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy.

Edited November 4 by Ecocharger

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On 11/2/2024 at 11:37 PM, TailingsPond said:

Read, total was down 11.1% but BEV was only down 6.3%.  The fact that you mention that hybrids are fossil vehicles is funny because plug in hybrid sales took a way bigger hit than pure EVs.

Total vehicle sales: -11.1%,

BEV sales: -6.3%

PHEV sales: -35.8%  <--- fossil cars in transition

HEV sales: +38.2% <--- fossil cars in transition

ICE sales: ???  Come up with a number, do some math.

Funny, plug-in hybrids are less fossil fuel than other hybrids...looks like the EVs are sinking into oblivion.

Even with hostile government policy, fossil fuel vehicles increase.

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A sweep of elections by Republicans should result in a new freedom of transportation choices, which would benefit the least well-off citizens who rely on inexpensive second-hand fossil fuel vehicles for family transport.

The latest forecast results are favorable for this freedom of  choice, which is consistent with traditional American values.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

"An Echelon Insights survey found Trump up 5 points in the Keystone State, and CNN/SSRS has the former president up by 1 in Georgia. In aggregate, this has been enough to push our model modestly back in Harris’s direction. Currently, our forecast gives Trump a 53 out of 100 chance of winning the election, and gives Harris a 46 out of 100 chance."

Edited November 4 by Ecocharger

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

On 11/3/2024 at 2:22 AM, notsonice said:

Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles......Electric vehicle fires in Korea are increasing with EV numbers, but the rate is still less than for petrol or diesel cars

Thanks for pointing this out

 

 

Eco is the gift that keeps giving!

Too funny!

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

A sweep of elections by Republicans should result in a new freedom of transportation choices, which would benefit the least well-off citizens who rely on inexpensive second-hand fossil fuel vehicles for family transport.

The latest forecast results are favorable for this freedom of  choice, which is consistent with traditional American values.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

"An Echelon Insights survey found Trump up 5 points in the Keystone State, and CNN/SSRS has the former president up by 1 in Georgia. In aggregate, this has been enough to push our model modestly back in Harris’s direction. Currently, our forecast gives Trump a 53 out of 100 chance of winning the election, and gives Harris a 46 out of 100 chance."

Dude, Musk owns Tesla and Trump.

Musk is not giving Trump money for nothing.  Don't be naive and think Trump will be the saviour of the USA ICE auto industry.  Trump even recently badmouthed the traditional auto industry because they have unions.

Furthermore, the regulations you hate are at the State level.

Edited November 4 by TailingsPond

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

A sweep of elections by Republicans should result in a new freedom of transportation choices, which would benefit the least well-off citizens who rely on inexpensive second-hand fossil fuel vehicles for family transport.

Musk is already announcing his policy decisions.  Have no doubt, Trump is in bed with new EVs. He doesn't care about low-income people who want a used car.  He loves money for himself, not the people.  Tax cuts for the rich will just have the rich buying more EVs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/economy-if-trump-wins-second-term-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807

"Speaking at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally Sunday, Musk said he wants to cut $2 trillion from the federal budget, though he didn’t specify where."

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

Musk is already announcing his policy decisions.  Have no doubt, Trump is in bed with new EVs. He doesn't care about low-income people who want a used car.  He loves money for himself, not the people.  Tax cuts for the rich will just have the rich buying more EVs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/economy-if-trump-wins-second-term-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807

"Speaking at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally Sunday, Musk said he wants to cut $2 trillion from the federal budget, though he didn’t specify where."

Dude,

Injecting your opinion on American Politics with tags from the likes of ultra-left NBC shows your ignorance. You don't like Trump? You can move to the USA and vote, or you can stay up there in CANADA and whine all you want!!

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2 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Dude,

Injecting your opinion on American Politics with tags from the likes of ultra-left NBC shows your ignorance. You don't like Trump? You can move to the USA and vote, or you can stay up there in CANADA and whine all you want!!

Answer me this.  Do you think Elon Musk is sponsoring Trump for nothing?

Do you deny that Musk spoke at a Trump rally just because NBC reported it?

Simple questions.

PS Proud to be a Canadian, and didn't whine at all, just pointing out observations.  If you don't think there is a Musk-Trump relationship you are just not looking because you don't want it to be true.

 

Edited November 4 by TailingsPond

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Trump's group has already spent 72m of Musk money.  

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-donates-75m-to-help-trump-campaign-13234824

"Around $72m (£56m) of the $75m (£58m) has already been spent by the group on canvassing efforts to encourage people to vote."