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On 11/5/2024 at 8:02 AM, TailingsPond said:

The jokers are the ones who refuse to answer simple questions:

Do you think Elon Musk is sponsoring Trump for nothing?

The idea that a Trump win will hurt EVs is laughable.

I actually like the idea of Musk just using Trump as a puppet.   

There was a time, i could recall some people actually called Musk a crook, a joke. Nothing he ventured in, shall without backing from Thiel, a few of his top engineers and a few elders from NASA, he might have gone out of picture way back... 

1. He received or accepted  volume of order that he could not meet. How many percents of order not yet delivered before new models are introduced and old one phased out?

2. He interfered with blockchain technology while knowing nothing or very little  about it. He, his family and clones also blocked another coin being popularized. He let IMF and the government pay for the technology that he probably not yet build. Too busy with other things. Or punishing them for being imbeciles?

3. His tunnel transport, where his pet, Gary, the snail 🐌, walked faster than the progress, might have been abandoned. Same with charging station. Only a few were built with billions of fund? Promises not kept.

That's why Biden was chosen... 

Trying to repeat these with Trump? Probably not the same out come. Trump has his sons, son-in-law, other family members and  friends to pass him news for his judgement. 

What is Musk getting spending 75 m? Right to free speech, doing what matters etc? He will have a post?

Education department seems good. He could

- produce what market needs after interviewed all characters, 

- improve  quality on rigid education that he dropped out by choice of,

- solving problems of students in huge debt before having a job guaranteed,

- social issue related to students pregnancy out of wed lock etc...

EV has a long winding road until technology is matured and sustainable enough. Until Musk able to fix problems on EV highlighted, keep pushing will only get Gary's step, is it not?

Not sure if dual nationality might disqualify his ambition to rule next...

On 11/5/2024 at 12:20 PM, TailingsPond said:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/trump-pays-2-million-fine-for-stealing-from-charity.html

Pretty easy to find Trump stealing from charity.

Find some charitable works from Trumps personal wealth to counteract my evidence he steals from charities.

Calling me biased is funny.

For your info, this is how thing is done. 

Once upon a time, many people were flocking to "donate ALL money to charity". Wwhhooowww....., generous and impressive, right? 

Decades later, when i was empowered to find out how to save tax for donor... truth is out..... 'o'  

Charity fund is tax free, right? '-' So, everyone has his/her money there. But, how to get it out and not caught? You must not let your activities be known.

So, living like this is not comfortable, as rich as it is, always worry to get caught. Giving much to government for brainless spending? Very reluctant, so to say.

Left one option: overhaul tax system. 

All the best...

 

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7 hours ago, specinho said:

Left one option: overhaul tax system. 

This is the logical choice, but the powers that be in the U.S. the "IRS" won't let that happen.  The IRS is the almighty powerful entity that has the right to confiscate your savings, bonds, etc. and leave one powerless to get it back. They don't have to prove "guilt", you have to prove innocence. 

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Oil continues to fall, Tesla continues to soar.

Another 6.8% today. 

Tell me more about the end of the green revolution.

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16 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Africa is next in line as they want the "black gold" buck too. My guess there are many fields on that continent that are going to be explored soon as one can civilize some of the tribes

Do you know how that reads? 

You want to civilize some African tribes so you can exploit the oil?

@Selva

 

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Suggestion of enslaving some uncivilized African tribes is cool?

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3 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

This is the logical choice, but the powers that be in the U.S. the "IRS" won't let that happen.  The IRS is the almighty powerful entity that has the right to confiscate your savings, bonds, etc. and leave one powerless to get it back. They don't have to prove "guilt", you have to prove innocence. 

Trump will just stop collecting taxes and further bankrupt the country for personal gain.

"That makes me smart" is what he says about tax avoidance strategy.

His tax plan will cause the largest deficits in history by far. 

P.S. you don't have to prove guilt or innocence, you just are required to honestly report income.  If you are honestly reporting your income and paying the associated tax you have nothing to fear.  If you are constantly under audit you are probably a criminal disloyal to the country.

Infrastructure, military, etc. is not free, patriots pay their taxes.

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Suggestion of enslaving some uncivilized African tribes is cool?

Are you that fuckin' stupid? Certainly you understand english, but maybe french is your preferred language. 

Yes, there is oil all over the continent of Africa, and in some place like the Amazon, there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant. 

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Trump will just stop collecting taxes and further bankrupt the country for personal gain.

"That makes me smart" is what he says about tax avoidance strategy.

His tax plan will cause the largest deficits in history by far. 

P.S. you don't have to prove guilt or innocence, you just are required to honestly report income.  If you are honestly reporting your income and paying the associated tax you have nothing to fear.  If you are constantly under audit you are probably a criminal disloyal to the country.

Infrastructure, military, etc. is not free, patriots pay their taxes.

Trump will not stop collecting taxes, you moron. Where the hell you go to school? TDS is what you have. I pity you! And your not even a US citizen, remember you said if Trump won you'd not enter the border. Well please don't. Don't need you socialistic agenda here as there is enough loonies in the N.W. 

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24 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Are you that fuckin' stupid? Certainly you understand english, but maybe french is your preferred language. 

Yes, there is oil all over the continent of Africa, and in some place like the Amazon, there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant. 

Hey Moron.....the Amazon is on a different continent than the African Continent ..........The Amazon is in South America........

 

there is oil all over the continent of Africa............. My guess there are many fields on that continent that are going to be explored soon as one can civilize some of the tribes...

In Africa???????????

god you are a Moron

and your post stating

 

there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant....

Yeah you mean that some tribes in the Amazon Rainforest do not want contact with anyone outside of the Amazon on the South American Continent

WTF does that have to do with Africa??????????????

 

Just plain old racist, BS stereotyping straight out of your mouth.............

 

 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Trump will not stop collecting taxes, you moron. Where the hell you go to school? TDS is what you have. I pity you! And your not even a US citizen, remember you said if Trump won you'd not enter the border. Well please don't. Don't need you socialistic agenda here as there is enough loonies in the N.W. 

He has openly said he will have huge tax cuts for the wealthy.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/federal-tax/2024-tax-plans/

 

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56 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Hey Moron.....the Amazon is on a different continent than the African Continent ..........The Amazon is in South America........

 

there is oil all over the continent of Africa............. My guess there are many fields on that continent that are going to be explored soon as one can civilize some of the tribes...

In Africa???????????

god you are a Moron

and your post stating

 

there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant....

Yeah you mean that some tribes in the Amazon Rainforest do not want contact with anyone outside of the Amazon on the South American Continent

WTF does that have to do with Africa??????????????

 

Just plain old racist, BS stereotyping straight out of your mouth.............

 

 

 

 

 

notsosmart, your and idiot too, I was comparing "tribes" on both continents. Moron is what you two leftist asses are. You both know what I meant and yet to twist it around to your way of thinking "is" moronic. Not a racist at all. If you is a "White-boy" you surely don't act like one throwing race-baiting stereotryping from your keystrokes. DipShit!

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26 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

He has openly said he will have huge tax cuts for the wealthy.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/federal-tax/2024-tax-plans/

 

I am writing you off on trying to demonize Trump. Stay in Canada fool!

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2 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Trump will not stop collecting taxes, you moron. Where the hell you go to school? TDS is what you have. I pity you! And your not even a US citizen, remember you said if Trump won you'd not enter the border. Well please don't. Don't need you socialistic agenda here as there is enough loonies in the N.W. 

He was using hyperbole--stop being so obtuse. Trump is going to introduce another round of tax cuts that will disproportionally benefit himself and others at the top of the tax bracket.

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10 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Suggestion of enslaving some uncivilized African tribes is cool?

You have twisted the meaning to suit your preset thought. You have strayed off the topic.

Africans today are no longer jungle dwelling folks, gentlemen.

Although there are still villages of few hundreds in land of not fertile. Dwellers in each village are related in blood. They use cow dung  as final finishing layer due to the heat (very organic, right?), build houses of no window due to the heat, practice in house cooking, no school, no access to basic facility, no activity besides building houses, gather food and fornication...

But, civilized Africans have been so proud, especially educated city dwellers, that they want to chase westerners out to take over the shared income streams. It was posted by Africans themselves in a distinctive group of all kinds.

Many force majeure cases reported, either they force foreign partners to do so and get huge sum in compensation or they do so, without paying. 

Enslaving? You think still possible? Yes, may be. But would be by their own choice to work more than 12 hours in exchange of basic wages given by their own kind...

6 hours ago, notsonice said:

Hey Moron.....the Amazon is on a different continent than the African Continent ..........The Amazon is in South America........

 

there is oil all over the continent of Africa............. My guess there are many fields on that continent that are going to be explored soon as one can civilize some of the tribes...

In Africa???????????

god you are a Moron

and your post stating

 

there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant....

Yeah you mean that some tribes in the Amazon Rainforest do not want contact with anyone outside of the Amazon on the South American Continent

WTF does that have to do with Africa??????????????

 

Just plain old racist, BS stereotyping straight out of your mouth.............

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know majority of population in Amazon, and may be Brazil, are black in origin? Likely Africans. No? Check it out!

Have you seen Avatar? No? Check it out. It is a movie represents conflict between modern development,  emphasizes on monetary gain by modern men and preserving nature in its pristine form, living sustainably, with high spiritual connectivity and such by the aborigines.

All traditional tribes behave similar or the same. Is there any connection? May be.

They used to walk across all continents, wherever they could path a way, before the earth plates were split. 

 

I could still recall lightly 4 major earliest civilization in history i.e. mayan, babylon - mesopotamia (euro-middle east, extended to india), egypt, chinese civilization.

If these four civilization did not include Africa, it might mean, those that moved about before earth plates were split might be ancestors of human e.g. chimpanzees etc.

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7 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

 

Yes, there is oil all over the continent of Africa, and in some place like the Amazon, there are "tribes" that don't want contact with outside civilization. You knew full what I meant. 

So you understand they do not want contact but you still want to go in "civilize" them to obtain their oil resources.

I am not mixing your words, I'm using direct quotes.  You can't literally write stuff where your goal is "civilize the tribes" so you get at the oil.

Do you think having oil reserves is justification to exploit the nation and their people?

 

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11 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Oil continues to fall, Tesla continues to soar.

Another 6.8% today. 

Tell me more about the end of the green revolution.

Why should we tell you anything?

When you are obviously wrong you never reply, you just disappear.

That is no fun for us.

Explain why we should not just ignore your posts now that the election is over. And it is very over.

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5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Why should we tell you anything?

When you are obviously wrong you never reply, you just disappear.

That is no fun for us.

You have that backwards bud.  You never answer questions, I do.

"What forms of pollution would you support regulating?"

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6 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

That is no fun for us.

I don't care if you have fun - and who is "us?"  Describe the demographic group or clique you identify with.  If you are meaning Rob and Old ruffly you should visit the AARP website not a energy forum.

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15 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

This is the logical choice, but the powers that be in the U.S. the "IRS" won't let that happen.  The IRS is the almighty powerful entity that has the right to confiscate your savings, bonds, etc. and leave one powerless to get it back. They don't have to prove "guilt", you have to prove innocence. 

 

Officers at IRS are usually busy. Guess why? Once upon a time, there were geniuses thinking the office was too low in activity, once a year automated report, or such. Many might get dismissed for redundancy should trend continue.

So, they found a way...

They tax you on toiletries, bread, sky juice ( plain or rain water at restaurants), pens and stationary, service they rendered and mostly not rendered etc. Subsequently, they want to give those cents and dollars back to you. The office becomes so busy with people reporting cents and dollars, with hundreds and thousands of receipts. Did it say somewhere, they have to keep those for 7 years or 10?? Imagine cummulative of those by millions of people...

Owing to unusual work load, they usually have no time to know or do other things. Unless, one offends the finance minister then. By personal vengeance, those financial things you mentioned are consficated until he loses his job or one proves innocent, whichever earlier or easier.

2. Is IRS under treasury department, which head is appointed by the president?

Making good changes from the top is easy, is it not? Just instruct.

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11 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Trump will just stop collecting taxes and further bankrupt the country for personal gain.

"That makes me smart" is what he says about tax avoidance strategy.

His tax plan will cause the largest deficits in history by far. 

P.S. you don't have to prove guilt or innocence, you just are required to honestly report income.  If you are honestly reporting your income and paying the associated tax you have nothing to fear.  If you are constantly under audit you are probably a criminal disloyal to the country.

Infrastructure, military, etc. is not free, patriots pay their taxes.

Imagine this:

You walked in to a restaurant.

a) you felt welcome by the servitude, the ambience. The food was tasty, drink was unique. 

Outcome: you paid, left happily, satisfied with the experience. 

b) you were not served after some times despite not busy. When food and drink finally served, they were stomache upsetting.

Outcome: you were reluctant but still paid, left with faul mood, dissatisfied with the service.  

 

Question: 

Which scenario would you pay again willingly to dine?

 

Governments in the east are the same.

They would like salary on par with private sectors, but the quality of service rendered and attitude are so poor, they deserve more of dismissal shall they are in private sectors, than getting anything else. 

Would you pay 35% of your hard earn so that government officers can visit toilets in european countries in entourage of whole department + family members of all? 

How stress would the people be, if 75% of monthly salary is taxed away?

 

The rich want to avoid tax for a reason. 

What a lousy way to live with so much money but facing problematic government servants that can not do the basic but proud as hell like they are the only top tier ellites with connection.

Not one remedy can suit all condition... 

Live the way you feel comfortable. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, specinho said:

Imagine this:

You and Eco need to stop imaging things and just watch current reality.

The green energy company (Tesla) is recording massive profits and oil is still falling.

 

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Why should we tell you anything?

When you are obviously wrong you never reply, you just disappear.

That is no fun for us.

Explain why we should not just ignore your posts now that the election is over. And it is very over.

I put the lying trash on ignore LONG LONG ago.  Makes life oh so much more pleasant. 

 

Try it.

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10 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You and Eco need to stop imaging things and just watch current reality.

The green energy company (Tesla) is recording massive profits and oil is still falling.

 

Who gives a f**k? You seem obsessed with Elon and Trump? Oil was predicted to fall to around 60 a bbl. Yes they are still making money. The lower oil (and gasoline) the better for us that actually consume alot of it. My trucks guzzle diesel. Part of ownership and knowledge this will happen when you purchase. But a necessity. I have 11 units, part of business. At my age I, 2 years maybe 3 to retire, I have upgraded what I could to make it past my retirement goal, and son will take over. Been in business 33 years and you and notsosmart probably never owned a business. So don't try to explain economics to me. I have been quite successful! If you want to "save" the planet from pollution, I already suggested sell one of your rentals and buy a EV auto and make one/one-millionth of a difference. Meanwhile reality is I have no choice, diesel and more diesel.

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4 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Who gives a f**k? You seem obsessed with Elon and Trump?

Lots of people give a f**k.

The POTUS elect is kind of important and the ultra-rich green energy lobbyist in his ear has an agenda.

You would have to be daft to ignore what is happening.  Fact is people with power and money are buying into Tesla.  Another fact is that Trump loves money.

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5 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Meanwhile reality is I have no choice, diesel and more diesel.

You always have a choice.  Philosophers have discussed this concept centuries ago.