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19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

California is not the leader in any transition, no one seems to be following the lead they have given on EVs,

They haven't passed all the regulations yet.  If you looked with an open mind you would see that historically California leads the way, and they do not ask for you to go green -they demand it- and legislate pollution sources out of existence.  As noted above, they have done it many times before.

Try buying CFC hairspray, DDT, a 2-stoke lawnmower, a ICE vehicle lacking a catalytic converter, etc. The list of successful regulations is very long and California generally leads the way (in the US).

If the carrot (environmental subsidies, compliance promotion, education) doesn't make them move like we want, use the stick (enforcement).

 

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48 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

California is not the leader in any transition, no one seems to be following the lead they have given on EVs,

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric

"Electric vehicles account for less than 1% of the 250 million vehicles, SUVs, and light-duty trucks sold in the United States. Because only around 17 million new cars are being built each year, changing the vehicles from gas-powered to electric will be a long process, especially as far as the government is concerned."

California is not the leader in any transition??????

the graphic/data below shows once again you are babbling BS

and you do not get a trophy for participation no matter how smart your parents told you (they lied)

the crappiest states in the Nation???? led by corrupt MAGA Republicans. Enjoy living in a  shithole if your state is not green.

 

Now the greenest states?? California in number 6 out of 50......that makes them a leader in my book

 

the crappiest states....all rely on coal mining.....Thank god that Sleepy Joe is putting them out of business one solar panel at a time......enjoy the revolution ...and best yet it is being shoved right up the rear of the Old Dickhead that posts on this forum

greenest states 2023 map

  Percentage of energy generation from renewables Emissions per capita (tons of CO2e) CO2e output emission rate (lbs./MWh) Waste generation per capita (tons) % of waste recycled % of waste composted Green score
1. Vermont 99.7% 0.06 44.8 0.86 22.40% 6.80% 65.8
2. Washington 74.2% 1.44 203.0 1.31 36.90% 13.30% 62.5
3. Oregon 65.0% 2.34 326.7 1.03 36.50% 10.30% 52.0
4. Maine 66.1% 1.18 309.4 1.06 47.70% 3.70% 50.6
5. South Dakota 82.7% 2.88 304.6 1.06 18.20% 7.00% 45.1
6. California 41.1% 1.21 480.5 1.78 41.80% 11.50% 38.9
7. Idaho 70.2% 1.18 272.0 1.16 8.60% 0% 25.7
8. Maryland 9.5% 2.16 702.0 1.07 25.50% 13.70% 18.8
9. New Hampshire 14.3% 1.87 308.0 0.87 40.80% 2.10% 18.3
10. Minnesota 27.2% 4.27 831.6 1.08 44.80% 3.90% 17.4
11. Iowa 57.3% 8.07 774.4 1.29 24.00% 6.40% 17.2
12. New York 28.7% 1.43 457.0 0.90 12.90% 6.70% 16.7
13. Massachusetts 17.6% 1.18 859.6 1.15 28.60% 8.80% 16.4
14. Delaware 3.2% 1.83 870.1 1.14 12.70% 19.80% 16.2
15. Kansas 45.6% 8.07 844.6 1.15 28.40% 2.70% 8.2
16. Texas 24.3% 6.85 860.2 1.24 8.90% 14.80% 7.0
17. Nevada 30.7% 4.69 716.9 1.50 28.40% 2.10% 4.9
18. New Jersey 3.2% 1.59 483.1 1.24 40.00% 0.00% 4.6
19. Connecticut 3.4% 3.13 518.1 0.90 16.60% 8.50% 4.6
20. North Carolina 14.1% 4.06 672.7 0.96 8.70% 7.10% -0.4
21. South Carolina 6.1% 5.27 570.4 0.96 21.60% 4.00% -3.5
22. Pennsylvania 3.3% 6.76 729.6 1.11 31.60% 4.80% -4.3
23. Rhode Island 7.2% 3.55 833.6 0.88 7.00% 7.00% -5.3
24. Tennessee 14.4% 3.91 702.6 1.20 20.00% 1.00% -5.6
25. Colorado 32.7% 5.92 1,224.6 1.60 21.70% 2.20% -6.6
26. Montana 51.3% 11.61 1,053.0 1.71 14.90% 4.40% -7.1
27. Wisconsin 8.1% 6.91 1,274.9 0.99 14.90% 9.70% -8.9
28. Oklahoma 44.1% 7.57 756.6 1.27 3.70% 0% -8.9
29. Ohio 3.6% 6.45 1,214.9 1.10 19.30% 9.00% -9.2
30. Alaska 28.2% 4.14 925.0 0.95 4.50% 0% -9.5
31. Illinois 11.1% 4.70 657.3 1.06 7.30% 3.60% -10.0
32. New Mexico 35.7% 9.41 1,140.8 1.16 14.20% 2.80% -10.4
33. Virginia 7.7% 3.21 601.5 1.92 18.40% 2.60% -10.6
34. Florida 5.5% 4.62 837.5 1.44 27.20% 0% -12.6
35. Georgia 11.5% 4.31 762.4 1.09 6.50% 0.40% -15.8
36. Arizona 13.4% 5.34 727.6 1.10 5.40% 0.90% -16.3
37. Utah 12.4% 9.82 1,571.2 0.92 2.20% 11.60% -19.0
38. Louisiana 3.0% 8.74 828.7 1.28 0.50% 10.10% -19.1
39. Arkansas 8.9% 10.90 1,093.1 1.98 41.70% 1.60% -19.9
40. Hawaii 19.0% 4.75 1,502.6 2.86 15.80% 7.00% -20.3
41. Nebraska 28.7% 10.83 1,133.7 1.40 13.10% 0% -23.3
42. Michigan 9.5% 5.77 1,010.3 1.39 6.00% 0% -25.8
43. Alabama 10.7% 10.56 754.5 1.13 9.00% 0% -27.6
44. Missouri 11.0% 10.19 1,649.0 0.82 19.60% 0% -29.1
45. Kentucky 7.6% 13.38 1,739.8 1.43 26.70% 5.90% -30.0
46. Indiana 9.8% 11.24 1,642.9 0.99 7.60% 5.70% -30.6
47. Mississippi 2.6% 9.60 836.4 0.97 4.60% 0.20% -31.6
48. North Dakota 39.3% 37.02 1,351.0 1.39 9.60% 18.20% -44.2
49. West Virginia 5.1% 36.05 1,959.4 1.16 16.00% 0% -89.7
50. Wyoming 21.7% 68.55 1,847.4 1.29 6.40% 10.00% -132.6

 

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Electric vehicles are not displacing any demand for gasoline or oil products. American demand for gasoline just keeps ramping up.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Consumer-Oil-Demand-Has-Exceeded-Expectations.html

"The U.S. economy has proven to be remarkably resilient this summer.

Standard Chartered: jet fuel and gasoline demand in the U.S. have exceeded EIA demand expectations from earlier this year.

The pattern of stronger-than-expected oil demand from consumers and weaker-than-expected demand from industry is likely to continue in the coming months."

"According to commodity analysts at Standard Chartered, gasoline and jet fuel demand--both closely associated with household behavior-- have outperformed strongly relative to the start-of-year expectations by the Energy Information Administration with gasoline demand having risen 98 kb/d y/y. "

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

California is not the leader in any transition??????

the graphic/data below shows once again you are babbling BS

and you do not get a trophy for participation no matter how smart your parents told you (they lied)

the crappiest states in the Nation???? led by corrupt MAGA Republicans. Enjoy living in a  shithole if your state is not green.

 

Now the greenest states?? California in number 6 out of 50......that makes them a leader in my book

 

the crappiest states....all rely on coal mining.....Thank god that Sleepy Joe is putting them out of business one solar panel at a time......enjoy the revolution ...and best yet it is being shoved right up the rear of the Old Dickhead that posts on this forum

greenest states 2023 map

  Percentage of energy generation from renewables Emissions per capita (tons of CO2e) CO2e output emission rate (lbs./MWh) Waste generation per capita (tons) % of waste recycled % of waste composted Green score
1. Vermont 99.7% 0.06 44.8 0.86 22.40% 6.80% 65.8
2. Washington 74.2% 1.44 203.0 1.31 36.90% 13.30% 62.5
3. Oregon 65.0% 2.34 326.7 1.03 36.50% 10.30% 52.0
4. Maine 66.1% 1.18 309.4 1.06 47.70% 3.70% 50.6
5. South Dakota 82.7% 2.88 304.6 1.06 18.20% 7.00% 45.1
6. California 41.1% 1.21 480.5 1.78 41.80% 11.50% 38.9
7. Idaho 70.2% 1.18 272.0 1.16 8.60% 0% 25.7
8. Maryland 9.5% 2.16 702.0 1.07 25.50% 13.70% 18.8
9. New Hampshire 14.3% 1.87 308.0 0.87 40.80% 2.10% 18.3
10. Minnesota 27.2% 4.27 831.6 1.08 44.80% 3.90% 17.4
11. Iowa 57.3% 8.07 774.4 1.29 24.00% 6.40% 17.2
12. New York 28.7% 1.43 457.0 0.90 12.90% 6.70% 16.7
13. Massachusetts 17.6% 1.18 859.6 1.15 28.60% 8.80% 16.4
14. Delaware 3.2% 1.83 870.1 1.14 12.70% 19.80% 16.2
15. Kansas 45.6% 8.07 844.6 1.15 28.40% 2.70% 8.2
16. Texas 24.3% 6.85 860.2 1.24 8.90% 14.80% 7.0
17. Nevada 30.7% 4.69 716.9 1.50 28.40% 2.10% 4.9
18. New Jersey 3.2% 1.59 483.1 1.24 40.00% 0.00% 4.6
19. Connecticut 3.4% 3.13 518.1 0.90 16.60% 8.50% 4.6
20. North Carolina 14.1% 4.06 672.7 0.96 8.70% 7.10% -0.4
21. South Carolina 6.1% 5.27 570.4 0.96 21.60% 4.00% -3.5
22. Pennsylvania 3.3% 6.76 729.6 1.11 31.60% 4.80% -4.3
23. Rhode Island 7.2% 3.55 833.6 0.88 7.00% 7.00% -5.3
24. Tennessee 14.4% 3.91 702.6 1.20 20.00% 1.00% -5.6
25. Colorado 32.7% 5.92 1,224.6 1.60 21.70% 2.20% -6.6
26. Montana 51.3% 11.61 1,053.0 1.71 14.90% 4.40% -7.1
27. Wisconsin 8.1% 6.91 1,274.9 0.99 14.90% 9.70% -8.9
28. Oklahoma 44.1% 7.57 756.6 1.27 3.70% 0% -8.9
29. Ohio 3.6% 6.45 1,214.9 1.10 19.30% 9.00% -9.2
30. Alaska 28.2% 4.14 925.0 0.95 4.50% 0% -9.5
31. Illinois 11.1% 4.70 657.3 1.06 7.30% 3.60% -10.0
32. New Mexico 35.7% 9.41 1,140.8 1.16 14.20% 2.80% -10.4
33. Virginia 7.7% 3.21 601.5 1.92 18.40% 2.60% -10.6
34. Florida 5.5% 4.62 837.5 1.44 27.20% 0% -12.6
35. Georgia 11.5% 4.31 762.4 1.09 6.50% 0.40% -15.8
36. Arizona 13.4% 5.34 727.6 1.10 5.40% 0.90% -16.3
37. Utah 12.4% 9.82 1,571.2 0.92 2.20% 11.60% -19.0
38. Louisiana 3.0% 8.74 828.7 1.28 0.50% 10.10% -19.1
39. Arkansas 8.9% 10.90 1,093.1 1.98 41.70% 1.60% -19.9
40. Hawaii 19.0% 4.75 1,502.6 2.86 15.80% 7.00% -20.3
41. Nebraska 28.7% 10.83 1,133.7 1.40 13.10% 0% -23.3
42. Michigan 9.5% 5.77 1,010.3 1.39 6.00% 0% -25.8
43. Alabama 10.7% 10.56 754.5 1.13 9.00% 0% -27.6
44. Missouri 11.0% 10.19 1,649.0 0.82 19.60% 0% -29.1
45. Kentucky 7.6% 13.38 1,739.8 1.43 26.70% 5.90% -30.0
46. Indiana 9.8% 11.24 1,642.9 0.99 7.60% 5.70% -30.6
47. Mississippi 2.6% 9.60 836.4 0.97 4.60% 0.20% -31.6
48. North Dakota 39.3% 37.02 1,351.0 1.39 9.60% 18.20% -44.2
49. West Virginia 5.1% 36.05 1,959.4 1.16 16.00% 0% -89.7
50. Wyoming 21.7% 68.55 1,847.4 1.29 6.40% 10.00% -132.6

 

CO2 emissions data are of no importance to anyone. Worthless data, anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 has no significant impact on climate.

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Standard Chartered: jet fuel and gasoline demand in the U.S. have exceeded EIA demand expectations from earlier this year.

The pattern of stronger-than-expected oil demand from consumers and weaker-than-expected demand from industry is likely to continue in the coming months."

 

Gasoline and other oil bi-product inventories went way up recently; so much of the uptick in crude demand was from refineries not end users.

FYI "exceeding expectations" doesn't always mean you are doing well.  It can mean "not as crappy as expected."

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Electric vehicles are not displacing any demand for gasoline or oil products. American demand for gasoline just keeps ramping up.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Consumer-Oil-Demand-Has-Exceeded-Expectations.html

"The U.S. economy has proven to be remarkably resilient this summer.

Standard Chartered: jet fuel and gasoline demand in the U.S. have exceeded EIA demand expectations from earlier this year.

The pattern of stronger-than-expected oil demand from consumers and weaker-than-expected demand from industry is likely to continue in the coming months."

"According to commodity analysts at Standard Chartered, gasoline and jet fuel demand--both closely associated with household behavior-- have outperformed strongly relative to the start-of-year expectations by the Energy Information Administration with gasoline demand having risen 98 kb/d y/y. "

demand for gasoline or oil products. American demand for gasoline just keeps ramping up.???

thanks again for not posting all of the facts

gasoline up 98kb......... distillate demand down 169 kb/d y/y

overall oil down 70 kb/d

enjoy the reality .............Oil is toast.....following the path of coal

Rome was not build in a day ....EVs are ramping up 

solar is ramping up ...Wind is ramping up.........

 

Coal is getting creamed....oil is down again

Thank You Sleepy Joe............Green is better than coal or oil

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

CO2 emissions data are of no importance to anyone.

In reality, many people think that data is of importance.  In fact reporting of said emission data is required by law in many places.

Have you ever heard of the term "egocentric thought?"  You continuously believe that many other people share your views when in reality nobody of importance does.  It is trivially easy to disprove your misguided views.

You studied law. correct?  ;)

https://www.epa.gov/ghgreporting/learn-about-greenhouse-gas-reporting-program-ghgrp

"Who is Required to Report?

A total of 41 categories of reporters are covered by the GHGRP. Facilities and suppliers determine whether they are required to report based on the types of industrial operations, their emission levels, or other factors. Facilities and suppliers are generally required to submit annual reports under Part 98 if:

  • GHG emissions from covered sources exceed 25,000 metric tons CO2e per year.
  • Supply of certain products would result in over 25,000 metric tons CO2e of GHG emissions if those products were released, combusted, or oxidized.
  • The facility receives 25,000 metric tons or more of CO2 for underground injection."

 

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You seem to be Euro-centric in your orientation. There are fossil fuel coal/oil demand drivers outside Europe.

Really???? Wow thanks for the tip!

Thats a laugh when so many on here only think the world exists inside the boundaries of the USA.

Yeah the oil price has been static for months despite the efforts of OPEC+ to raise it by cutting production several times.

China's demand is woeful and their economy is in trouble so oil isnt going to increase any time soon.

Coal is going nowhere and demand will start decreasing in 3-5 years.

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12 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Gasoline and other oil bi-product inventories went way up recently; so much of the uptick in crude demand was from refineries not end users.

FYI "exceeding expectations" doesn't always mean you are doing well.  It can mean "not as crappy as expected."

Oil demand is at an all-time high. 

https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-august-2023

"World oil demand is scaling record highs, boosted by strong summer air travel, increased oil use in power generation and surging Chinese petrochemical activity. Global oil demand is set to expand by 2.2 mb/d to 102.2 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for more than 70% of growth. "

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9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

In reality, many people think that data is of importance.  In fact reporting of said emission data is required by law in many places.

Have you ever heard of the term "egocentric thought?"  You continuously believe that many other people share your views when in reality nobody of importance does.  It is trivially easy to disprove your misguided views.

You studied law. correct?  ;)

https://www.epa.gov/ghgreporting/learn-about-greenhouse-gas-reporting-program-ghgrp

"Who is Required to Report?

A total of 41 categories of reporters are covered by the GHGRP. Facilities and suppliers determine whether they are required to report based on the types of industrial operations, their emission levels, or other factors. Facilities and suppliers are generally required to submit annual reports under Part 98 if:

  • GHG emissions from covered sources exceed 25,000 metric tons CO2e per year.
  • Supply of certain products would result in over 25,000 metric tons CO2e of GHG emissions if those products were released, combusted, or oxidized.
  • The facility receives 25,000 metric tons or more of CO2 for underground injection."

 

The fact remains that anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 is of no significance in climate change.

You and your masters may not like it, but the facts are clear.

I "studied law" like you "studied" statistics and economics.

The climate scientists are all over the map as far as greenhouse gases are concerned, and here is one group which does not even list H2O as a greenhouse gas. despite the fact that H2O is by far the most potent and powerful greenhouse gas. The source is the IPCC, so that is no surprise.

https://www.c2es.org/content/main-greenhouse-gases/

"Global Warming Potential and Atmospheric Lifetime for Major Greenhouse Gases
Greenhouse gas Chemical formula Global Warming Potential, 100-year time horizon Atmospheric Lifetime (years)
SOURCE

Fifth Assessment Report (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, 2014)."

Carbon Dioxide CO2 1 100*
Methane CH4 25 12
Nitrous Oxide N2O 265 121
Chlorofluorocarbon-12 (CFC-12) CCl2F2 10,200 100
Hydrofluorocarbon-23 (HFC-23) CHF3 12,400 222
Sulfur Hexafluoride SF6 23,500 3,200
Nitrogen Trifluoride NF3 16,100 500
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29 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The fact remains that anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 is of no significance in climate change.

You and your masters may not like it, but the facts are clear.

I "studied law" like you "studied" statistics and economics.

The climate scientists are all over the map as far as greenhouse gases are concerned, and here is one group which does not even list H2O as a greenhouse gas. despite the fact that H2O is by far the most potent and powerful greenhouse gas.

https://www.c2es.org/content/main-greenhouse-gases/

Global Warming Potential and Atmospheric Lifetime for Major Greenhouse Gases
Greenhouse gas Chemical formula Global Warming Potential, 100-year time horizon Atmospheric Lifetime (years)
SOURCE

Fifth Assessment Report (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, 2014).

Carbon Dioxide CO2 1 100*
Methane CH4 25 12
Nitrous Oxide N2O 265 121
Chlorofluorocarbon-12 (CFC-12) CCl2F2 10,200 100
Hydrofluorocarbon-23 (HFC-23) CHF3 12,400 222
Sulfur Hexafluoride SF6 23,500 3,200
Nitrogen Trifluoride NF3 16,100 500

Nope, no H2O in this list whatsoever. Nothing is said about H2O, the most powerful greenhouse gas.

However, here is the "official" listing of greenhouse gases, and, surprise, H2O is included on the list.

https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/basics-climate-change#:~:text=Water vapor is another greenhouse,more moisture than cooler air.

"Water Vapor

Water vapor is another greenhouse gas and plays a key role in climate feedbacks because of its heat-trapping ability. Warmer air holds more moisture than cooler air. Therefore, as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and global temperatures rise, the total amount of water vapor in the atmosphere also increases, further amplifying the warming effect.5"

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On 8/30/2023 at 4:27 PM, notsonice said:

California is not the leader in any transition??????

the graphic/data below shows once again you are babbling BS

and you do not get a trophy for participation no matter how smart your parents told you (they lied)

the crappiest states in the Nation???? led by corrupt MAGA Republicans. Enjoy living in a  shithole if your state is not green.

 

Now the greenest states?? California in number 6 out of 50......that makes them a leader in my book

 

the crappiest states....all rely on coal mining.....Thank god that Sleepy Joe is putting them out of business one solar panel at a time......enjoy the revolution ...and best yet it is being shoved right up the rear of the Old Dickhead that posts on this forum

greenest states 2023 map

  Percentage of energy generation from renewables Emissions per capita (tons of CO2e) CO2e output emission rate (lbs./MWh) Waste generation per capita (tons) % of waste recycled % of waste composted Green score
1. Vermont 99.7% 0.06 44.8 0.86 22.40% 6.80% 65.8
2. Washington 74.2% 1.44 203.0 1.31 36.90% 13.30% 62.5
3. Oregon 65.0% 2.34 326.7 1.03 36.50% 10.30% 52.0
4. Maine 66.1% 1.18 309.4 1.06 47.70% 3.70% 50.6
5. South Dakota 82.7% 2.88 304.6 1.06 18.20% 7.00% 45.1
6. California 41.1% 1.21 480.5 1.78 41.80% 11.50% 38.9
7. Idaho 70.2% 1.18 272.0 1.16 8.60% 0% 25.7
8. Maryland 9.5% 2.16 702.0 1.07 25.50% 13.70% 18.8
9. New Hampshire 14.3% 1.87 308.0 0.87 40.80% 2.10% 18.3
10. Minnesota 27.2% 4.27 831.6 1.08 44.80% 3.90% 17.4
11. Iowa 57.3% 8.07 774.4 1.29 24.00% 6.40% 17.2
12. New York 28.7% 1.43 457.0 0.90 12.90% 6.70% 16.7
13. Massachusetts 17.6% 1.18 859.6 1.15 28.60% 8.80% 16.4
14. Delaware 3.2% 1.83 870.1 1.14 12.70% 19.80% 16.2
15. Kansas 45.6% 8.07 844.6 1.15 28.40% 2.70% 8.2
16. Texas 24.3% 6.85 860.2 1.24 8.90% 14.80% 7.0
17. Nevada 30.7% 4.69 716.9 1.50 28.40% 2.10% 4.9
18. New Jersey 3.2% 1.59 483.1 1.24 40.00% 0.00% 4.6
19. Connecticut 3.4% 3.13 518.1 0.90 16.60% 8.50% 4.6
20. North Carolina 14.1% 4.06 672.7 0.96 8.70% 7.10% -0.4
21. South Carolina 6.1% 5.27 570.4 0.96 21.60% 4.00% -3.5
22. Pennsylvania 3.3% 6.76 729.6 1.11 31.60% 4.80% -4.3
23. Rhode Island 7.2% 3.55 833.6 0.88 7.00% 7.00% -5.3
24. Tennessee 14.4% 3.91 702.6 1.20 20.00% 1.00% -5.6
25. Colorado 32.7% 5.92 1,224.6 1.60 21.70% 2.20% -6.6
26. Montana 51.3% 11.61 1,053.0 1.71 14.90% 4.40% -7.1
27. Wisconsin 8.1% 6.91 1,274.9 0.99 14.90% 9.70% -8.9
28. Oklahoma 44.1% 7.57 756.6 1.27 3.70% 0% -8.9
29. Ohio 3.6% 6.45 1,214.9 1.10 19.30% 9.00% -9.2
30. Alaska 28.2% 4.14 925.0 0.95 4.50% 0% -9.5
31. Illinois 11.1% 4.70 657.3 1.06 7.30% 3.60% -10.0
32. New Mexico 35.7% 9.41 1,140.8 1.16 14.20% 2.80% -10.4
33. Virginia 7.7% 3.21 601.5 1.92 18.40% 2.60% -10.6
34. Florida 5.5% 4.62 837.5 1.44 27.20% 0% -12.6
35. Georgia 11.5% 4.31 762.4 1.09 6.50% 0.40% -15.8
36. Arizona 13.4% 5.34 727.6 1.10 5.40% 0.90% -16.3
37. Utah 12.4% 9.82 1,571.2 0.92 2.20% 11.60% -19.0
38. Louisiana 3.0% 8.74 828.7 1.28 0.50% 10.10% -19.1
39. Arkansas 8.9% 10.90 1,093.1 1.98 41.70% 1.60% -19.9
40. Hawaii 19.0% 4.75 1,502.6 2.86 15.80% 7.00% -20.3
41. Nebraska 28.7% 10.83 1,133.7 1.40 13.10% 0% -23.3
42. Michigan 9.5% 5.77 1,010.3 1.39 6.00% 0% -25.8
43. Alabama 10.7% 10.56 754.5 1.13 9.00% 0% -27.6
44. Missouri 11.0% 10.19 1,649.0 0.82 19.60% 0% -29.1
45. Kentucky 7.6% 13.38 1,739.8 1.43 26.70% 5.90% -30.0
46. Indiana 9.8% 11.24 1,642.9 0.99 7.60% 5.70% -30.6
47. Mississippi 2.6% 9.60 836.4 0.97 4.60% 0.20% -31.6
48. North Dakota 39.3% 37.02 1,351.0 1.39 9.60% 18.20% -44.2
49. West Virginia 5.1% 36.05 1,959.4 1.16 16.00% 0% -89.7
50. Wyoming 21.7% 68.55 1,847.4 1.29 6.40% 10.00% -132.6

 

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Which states have the best and worst average AQI?

Forty-three states and Washington, DC, have a healthy average AQI. Hawaii’s is the best (24.2), followed by Alaska (27.9), and Maine (34.8). Arizona is the only state with an unhealthy average AQI, at 101.8. Nationally, the average AQI was 48.6 in 2021. (  See the map in the article for individual states. ) 

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Republican Rep. August Pfluger of Texas has requested that members of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) come to Texas to hold a hearing about a decision that could drastically impact U.S. energy production, according to a letter obtained exclusively by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

Pfluger requested that the agency send a delegation to Texas’ Permian Basin to hold a public hearing on the agency’s proposal to list the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), according to a letter he sent Wednesday to USFWS Director Martha Williams. The Permian Basin is a critical region for U.S. oil and gas production, and listing the species under the ESA could significantly hamper energy production in the region and cost many locals their jobs, the letter states.

“On the campaign trail, President Biden promised to kill the fossil fuel industry, and that’s about the only promise we can count on him keeping,” Pfluger told the DCNF. “His latest tactic—listing the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species so he can shut down drilling in the Permian—is just the latest in a string of assaults on the Permian Basin and our way of life. The Biden administration’s director in charge of listing this lizard has not visited the Permian Basin or provided me with the scientific evidence to back up their claims that the lizard is in fact endangered.” (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: GOP Lawmakers Introduce Bill That Would Bar Biden From Invoking A National Climate Emergency)

Rep. Pfluger Letter to Dire… by Nick Pope

 
 

Located in central and western Texas, the greater Permian Basin region provides nearly 40% of all U.S. oil production and about 15% of the country’s natural gas production, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. The ESA is designed to protect endangered species by conserving their habitats, but some environmentalist interests have taken advantage of the law to attempt to force huge swaths of land to become off-limits to economic activity like drilling for oil, according to the Independent Petroleum Association of America.

“I am inviting the director to host a public hearing in the Permian Basin because if they are willing to cripple the oil and gas industry, threaten our nation’s national security and obliterate tens of thousands of jobs in my district in a so-called effort to save a lizard, they need to face the communities they want to destroy,” Pfluger concluded in his remarks to the DCNF.

Pfluger is inviting representatives of the agency to the Permian Basin because Williams said she had never been to the area during a July hearing in front of the House Committee on Natural Resources, and also because local stakeholder engagement is a key pillar of the ESA, Pfluger noted in his letter. He also referenced the fact that the species had been observed to have a net-conservation gain in 2022, a development he attributes to private and state-led efforts to protect the species without severely diminishing the region’s oil and gas activity.

“I lived in Oklahoma for a long time, but I have not visited (the Permian Basin),” Williams told Pfluger during the July hearing.

Neither the White House nor representatives of the USFWS responded immediately to the DCNF’s requests for comment.

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Republican Rep. August Pfluger of Texas has requested that members of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) come to Texas to hold a hearing about a decision that could drastically impact U.S. energy production, according to a letter obtained exclusively by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

Pfluger requested that the agency send a delegation to Texas’ Permian Basin to hold a public hearing on the agency’s proposal to list the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), according to a letter he sent Wednesday to USFWS Director Martha Williams. The Permian Basin is a critical region for U.S. oil and gas production, and listing the species under the ESA could significantly hamper energy production in the region and cost many locals their jobs, the letter states.

“On the campaign trail, President Biden promised to kill the fossil fuel industry, and that’s about the only promise we can count on him keeping,” Pfluger told the DCNF. “His latest tactic—listing the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species so he can shut down drilling in the Permian—is just the latest in a string of assaults on the Permian Basin and our way of life. The Biden administration’s director in charge of listing this lizard has not visited the Permian Basin or provided me with the scientific evidence to back up their claims that the lizard is in fact endangered.” (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: GOP Lawmakers Introduce Bill That Would Bar Biden From Invoking A National Climate Emergency)

Rep. Pfluger Letter to Dire… by Nick Pope

 
 

Located in central and western Texas, the greater Permian Basin region provides nearly 40% of all U.S. oil production and about 15% of the country’s natural gas production, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. The ESA is designed to protect endangered species by conserving their habitats, but some environmentalist interests have taken advantage of the law to attempt to force huge swaths of land to become off-limits to economic activity like drilling for oil, according to the Independent Petroleum Association of America.

“I am inviting the director to host a public hearing in the Permian Basin because if they are willing to cripple the oil and gas industry, threaten our nation’s national security and obliterate tens of thousands of jobs in my district in a so-called effort to save a lizard, they need to face the communities they want to destroy,” Pfluger concluded in his remarks to the DCNF.

Pfluger is inviting representatives of the agency to the Permian Basin because Williams said she had never been to the area during a July hearing in front of the House Committee on Natural Resources, and also because local stakeholder engagement is a key pillar of the ESA, Pfluger noted in his letter. He also referenced the fact that the species had been observed to have a net-conservation gain in 2022, a development he attributes to private and state-led efforts to protect the species without severely diminishing the region’s oil and gas activity.

“I lived in Oklahoma for a long time, but I have not visited (the Permian Basin),” Williams told Pfluger during the July hearing.

Neither the White House nor representatives of the USFWS responded immediately to the DCNF’s requests for comment.

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Nope, no H2O in this list whatsoever. Nothing is said about H2O, the most powerful greenhouse gas.

However, here is the "official" listing of greenhouse gases, and, surprise, H2O is included on the list.

https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/basics-climate-change#:~:text=Water vapor is another greenhouse,more moisture than cooler air.

"Water Vapor

Water vapor is another greenhouse gas and plays a key role in climate feedbacks because of its heat-trapping ability. Warmer air holds more moisture than cooler air. Therefore, as greenhouse gas concentrations increase and global temperatures rise, the total amount of water vapor in the atmosphere also increases, further amplifying the warming effect.5"

Water vapour isnt the most powerful greenhouse gas, its the most abundant.

Your list shows which is the most powerful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

An extract from the text from the link above

"Carbon dioxide is the cause for about three quarters of global warming and can take thousands of years to be fully absorbed by the carbon cycle.[9][10] Methane causes most of the remaining warming and lasts in the atmosphere for an average of 12 years"

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Water vapour isnt the most powerful greenhouse gas, its the most abundant.

Your list shows which is the most powerful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

An extract from the text from the link above

"Carbon dioxide is the cause for about three quarters of global warming and can take thousands of years to be fully absorbed by the carbon cycle.[9][10] Methane causes most of the remaining warming and lasts in the atmosphere for an average of 12 years"

You should read your own material.

"Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas but not one that humans are directly adding to.[20] It is therefore not one of the drivers of climate change that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) is concerned with, and therefore not included in the IPCC list of greenhouse gases. Changes in water vapor is a feedback that impacts climate sensitivity in complicated ways (because of clouds mostly)."

They are only looking at greenhouse gases which humans contribute to. The IPCC chooses to ignore H2O.

But in terms of importance, H2O is by far the most powerfully impactful of the greenhouse gases, there is no doubt about that. Anthropogenic CO2 provides only a tiny fraction of the greenhouse gas effect which H2O creates, as I showed you earlier.

 

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You should read your own material.

"Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas but not one that humans are directly adding to.[20] It is therefore not one of the drivers of climate change that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) is concerned with, and therefore not included in the IPCC list of greenhouse gases. Changes in water vapor is a feedback that impacts climate sensitivity in complicated ways (because of clouds mostly)."

They are only looking at greenhouse gases which humans contribute to. The IPCC chooses to ignore H2O.

But in terms of importance, H2O is by far the most powerfully impactful of the greenhouse gases, there is no doubt about that.

 

I said it isnt the most powerful, its the most abundant! Therefore it obviously will have a major impact as a greenhouse gas, I'm not disputing that.

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I said it isnt the most powerful, its the most abundant! Therefore it obviously will have a major impact as a greenhouse gas, I'm not disputing that.

It will have the most powerful impact by far.

https://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo?journalid=298&doi=10.11648/j.ijaos.20210502.12

The authors give a separate calculation for CO2 contribution, as follows.

" Effect of Recently Increased Atmospheric CO2 It is of some interest to calculate the increase in temperature that has occurred due to the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from the 280ppm prior at the start of the industrial revolution to the current 420ppm registered at the Mona Loa Observatory. (K. W. Thoning et. al. 2019) [17]. The HITRAN calculations show that atmospheric absorptivity has increased from 0.727 to 0.730 due to the increase of 140ppm CO2, resulting in a temperature increase of 0.24Kelvin. This is, therefore, the full extent of anthropogenic global warming to date."

So that is a grand contribution for CO2 since Industrial Revolution of .24K or about .09% (or .0009). Less than one-tenth of one percent. Almost nothing at all.

And that is only the greenhouse effect. There are other impacts as well, the "shade" effect.

In terms of greenhouse effect alone, H2O is the dominant factor, but also there are other atmospheric impacts of H2O which are driven by solar variables. CO2 plays zero role in the most important atmospheric impacts.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334093488_Intensified_East_Asian_winter_monsoon_during_the_last_geomagnetic_reversal_transition

The Japanese team commented,

"“The Intergovernmental IPCC has discussed the impact of cloud cover on climate in their evaluations, but this phenomenon has never been considered in climate predictions due to the insufficient physical understanding of it,” Dr. Masayuki Hyodo of the University of Kobe.
Hyodo added that “When galactic cosmic rays increase, so do low clouds, and when cosmic rays decrease clouds do as well, so climate warming may be caused by an opposite-umbrella effect. The umbrella effect caused by galactic cosmic rays is important when thinking about current global warming as well as the warm period of the medieval era.”


The low cloud cover is caused by increasing cosmic rays reaching earth due to changes in the earth’s magnetic field."

A Finnish study reached similar conclusions.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

"In this paper we will prove that GCM-models used in IPCC report AR5 fail to calculate the influences of the low cloud cover changes on the global temperature. That is why those models give a very small natural temperature change leaving a very large change for the contribution of the green house gases in the observed temperature. This is the reason why IPCC has to use a very large sensitivity to compensate a too small natural component. Further they have to leave out the strong negative feedback due to the clouds in order to magnify the sensitivity. In addition, this paper proves that the changes in the low cloud cover fraction practically control the global temperature."

 

This research is consistent with the studies correlating cosmic rays (ie. solar variables) with earth temperature change. So now the pathway is solar radiation impacting earth atmospheric H20 impacting earth temperature change. The other work above showing the overwhelming significance of atmospheric H2O as a driver of climate change can be related into a larger model of solar activity with the transfer mechanism now elucidated.

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Oil demand is roaring ahead.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Reaches-New-2023-High.html

"The price rise will make it more difficult for the Biden Administration to continue the painstakingly slow process of refilling the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which has grown by an average of 600,000 barrels per week for the last few weeks, after draining 300 million barrels out of the SPR over the last few years.

Despite the 300 million barrels leaving the SPR and going into commercial inventories, crude oil inventories—excluding that in the SPR—are more than 100 million barrels shy of July 2020 levels."

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Wars have been fought over oil yet none for the sun........

There's no money in the sun...

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..but there IS smart money in insurance underwriting...

Florida residents have increasingly turned to Citizens Property Insurance Corporation, a public entity established by the Florida government (even more government-controlled than California's) as the state’s so-called “insurer of last resort” for people unable to find affordable rates from private insurers. For more and more residents, though, Citizens is becoming the first and only option, especially for those with coastal homes at particular risk from hurricanes. In 2019, Citizens had about 400,000 home insurance policies on its books; today, it has more than 1.3 million, about twice as many as the state’s next-largest insurer.

If a hurricane(s) destroy(s) too many homes covered by Citizens policies and the "insurer" faces bigger claims than it can afford to pay, the public company won’t go belly up. Instead, such an event will trigger what is known as an "assessment", wherein state law mandates that Citizens imposes fees on private insurance policies across the state in order to cover its payouts. And it’s not just property insurance-policy holders that may have to pull out the checkbook. If you live in Florida and have auto insurance, but can’t afford to own a home, you can still be stuck contributing to funds that pay for homeowners to rebuild after a big storm.

 

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Pfluger requested that the agency send a delegation to Texas’ Permian Basin to hold a public hearing on the agency’s proposal to list the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), according to a letter he sent Wednesday to USFWS Director Martha Williams. The Permian Basin is a critical region for U.S. oil and gas production, and listing the species under the ESA could significantly hamper energy production in the region and cost many locals their jobs, the letter states.

“On the campaign trail, President Biden promised to kill the fossil fuel industry, and that’s about the only promise we can count on him keeping,” Pfluger told the DCNF. “His latest tactic—listing the dunes sagebrush lizard as an endangered species so he can shut down drilling in the Permian—is just the latest in a string of assaults on the Permian Basin and our way of life. The Biden administration’s director in charge of listing this lizard has not visited the Permian Basin or provided me with the scientific evidence to back up their claims that the lizard is in fact endangered.” (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: GOP Lawmakers Introduce Bill That Would Bar Biden From Invoking A National Climate Emergency)

Rep. Pfluger Letter to Dire… by Nick Pope

 
 

Located in central and western Texas, the greater Permian Basin region provides nearly 40% of all U.S. oil production and about 15% of the country’s natural gas production, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. The ESA is designed to protect endangered species by conserving their habitats, but some environmentalist interests have taken advantage of the law to attempt to force huge swaths of land to become off-limits to economic activity like drilling for oil, according to the Independent Petroleum Association of America.

“I am inviting the director to host a public hearing in the Permian Basin because if they are willing to cripple the oil and gas industry, threaten our nation’s national security and obliterate tens of thousands of jobs in my district in a so-called effort to save a lizard, they need to face the communities they want to destroy,” Pfluger concluded in his remarks to the DCNF.

Pfluger is inviting representatives of the agency to the Permian Basin because Williams said she had never been to the area during a July hearing in front of the House Committee on Natural Resources, and also because local stakeholder engagement is a key pillar of the ESA, Pfluger noted in his letter. He also referenced the fact that the species had been observed to have a net-conservation gain in 2022, a development he attributes to private and state-led efforts to protect the species without severely diminishing the region’s oil and gas activity.

“I lived in Oklahoma for a long time, but I have not visited (the Permian Basin),” Williams told Pfluger during the July hearing.

Neither the White House nor representatives of the USFWS responded immediately to the DCNF’s requests for comment.

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I  read the proposed rule and it was riddled with "misinformation" from one end to the other," The most laughable was the statement that they ad "proven" that shinnery oak could not be refurbished. Anyone who has been around shin oak knows that it is a problem to control - not refurbish.

Also, land in Texas is mostly privately owned and you can't trust those pesky private citizens. You know, the people that are actually interested in the wildlife on their land and have been able to help the species recover. (Maybe they know about shinnery oak too!).

Reading the rule also makes it apparent that the feds intend to take control of the groundwater under Texas. 

Eliminating the trails and roads made by oil and gas exploration, landowners, or roads make great firebreaks. USFW says these must be eliminated because they break up the lizards' environment. 

Lots of other illogical things are used as arguments for the rule. The most likely outcome if the rules are put into effect is elimination of the species. This could be done with crazy arsonists that seem to be out control the world over and without trails and roads for firebreaks, fire would be extremely difficult to control. Diseases such as special viruses, or invasive species such as fire ants which have has a very devastating effect on ares where they reside could have a field day wiping out cute little lizards. (I don't know if fire have have gotten that far west - I doubt it 0 but if they have, the lizard is in real trouble and the government has proven it will not help.

All in all, when this rule becomes law, the lizards are DOOMED! 

Needlessly, just to stop energy production in the US.

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It will have the most powerful impact by far.

https://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo?journalid=298&doi=10.11648/j.ijaos.20210502.12

The authors give a separate calculation for CO2 contribution, as follows.

" Effect of Recently Increased Atmospheric CO2 It is of some interest to calculate the increase in temperature that has occurred due to the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from the 280ppm prior at the start of the industrial revolution to the current 420ppm registered at the Mona Loa Observatory. (K. W. Thoning et. al. 2019) [17]. The HITRAN calculations show that atmospheric absorptivity has increased from 0.727 to 0.730 due to the increase of 140ppm CO2, resulting in a temperature increase of 0.24Kelvin. This is, therefore, the full extent of anthropogenic global warming to date."

So that is a grand contribution for CO2 since Industrial Revolution of .24K or about .09% (or .0009). Less than one-tenth of one percent. Almost nothing at all.

And that is only the greenhouse effect. There are other impacts as well, the "shade" effect.

In terms of greenhouse effect alone, H2O is the dominant factor, but also there are other atmospheric impacts of H2O which are driven by solar variables. CO2 plays zero role in the most important atmospheric impacts.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334093488_Intensified_East_Asian_winter_monsoon_during_the_last_geomagnetic_reversal_transition

The Japanese team commented,

"“The Intergovernmental IPCC has discussed the impact of cloud cover on climate in their evaluations, but this phenomenon has never been considered in climate predictions due to the insufficient physical understanding of it,” Dr. Masayuki Hyodo of the University of Kobe.
Hyodo added that “When galactic cosmic rays increase, so do low clouds, and when cosmic rays decrease clouds do as well, so climate warming may be caused by an opposite-umbrella effect. The umbrella effect caused by galactic cosmic rays is important when thinking about current global warming as well as the warm period of the medieval era.”


The low cloud cover is caused by increasing cosmic rays reaching earth due to changes in the earth’s magnetic field."

A Finnish study reached similar conclusions.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

"In this paper we will prove that GCM-models used in IPCC report AR5 fail to calculate the influences of the low cloud cover changes on the global temperature. That is why those models give a very small natural temperature change leaving a very large change for the contribution of the green house gases in the observed temperature. This is the reason why IPCC has to use a very large sensitivity to compensate a too small natural component. Further they have to leave out the strong negative feedback due to the clouds in order to magnify the sensitivity. In addition, this paper proves that the changes in the low cloud cover fraction practically control the global temperature."

 

This research is consistent with the studies correlating cosmic rays (ie. solar variables) with earth temperature change. So now the pathway is solar radiation impacting earth atmospheric H20 impacting earth temperature change. The other work above showing the overwhelming significance of atmospheric H2O as a driver of climate change can be related into a larger model of solar activity with the transfer mechanism now elucidated.

The most likely proof of man caused climate change is the rising of ocean levels, not including earth subsidence. It is not proof in itself but the most likely indicator IMO. Yet ocean levels have always changed. I have pointed this out many times. Half of Florida was once underwater as was much of Western America, especially California. 

It is much more realistic for man to adjust to ocean rise than to ban fossil fuels. Nature produces far more methane than man ever has or could. It bubbles up from the ocean and all bodies of water, it is created by all dying organisms, mainly plant life. Man has a puny role in the creation of methane. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vHU2hHXebxpvExT7srNNnX-VM7Qn9Ak_ZmdKCIcUti8/edit

Global Warming AKA Climate Change and Just Plain Weather

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