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11 hours ago, turbguy said:

With independent motors, who need those??

Oh, that's where the "soul" resides!

With fully programmable vehicles, who needs to even leave their eyes open? 

That's exactly what I mean. You have no feel for the terrain if the cpu does everything. You're just a tourist in a seat. 

No thrill. No fear. No soul. 

A pavement princess will never understand this. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by QuarterCenturyVet

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The myth of "peak oil", a fantasy dream concocted by wild-eyed Green Revolutionists, has now been exposed as a political hoax. No one with any intelligence is being taken in by this quack philosophy.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Investors-See-Peak-Demand-Happening-Much-Further-In-The-Future.html

"Currently, just 2 percent of oil investors believe peak oil demand will occur by 2025, and fewer than 40 percent see that peak before 2030. One-third of investors expect oil demand to peak between 2025 and 2030, but another one-third think that peak would be after 2030, at some point between 2030 and 2035.  

Mid-2030s is currently OPEC’s timeline for peak oil demand. Global oil demand is expected to continue to grow into the mid-2030s to 108 million barrels per day (bpd), after which it is set to plateau until 2045, OPEC said in its 2021 World Oil Outlook (WOO) earlier this year. OPEC sees oil demand growing “strongly” in the short- and medium-term before demand plateaus in the long term. 

Despite expected plateauing demand in the long run, oil will continue to be the fuel with the single largest share of the global energy mix by 2045, meeting 28 percent of energy demand then, OPEC Secretary General Mohammad Barkindo said last month, stressing the need for investments in oil supply to meet consumption. 

Demand is set to grow, as the world still runs on fossil fuels which account for around 85 percent of total global energy demand. "

The West will be Greener while the rest of the world will continue to demand coal and oil. Our economies will suffer while the rest of the world will continue to enjoy diesel, gasoline, natural gas, and coal etc. Meanwhile they will be doing the manufacturing, mining, illegal drug marketing, etc. They will sell us electronics, solar panels, wind turbines, etc. They will make them with fossil fuels available from OPEC, Russia, and whoever develops them all around the world.  

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2021 – a breakthrough year for electric vehicles

We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first assembly line was installed in 1913. Are we moving faster than expected?

8 December 2021

• The global EV market — including hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs), plug-in HEVs (PHEVs), and battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) — continued to heat up in 2021 despite the Covid-19 pandemic
• Incentives and an explosion in the number of new EV models came together at the right time, energizing both supply and demand

 

They said the 2020s will be the decade of the electric car — and they are not wrong. For starters, despite a pandemic-related worldwide downturn in car sales, the global sales of electric vehicles (EVs) increased by a staggering 41% in 2020. Even better, by 2021 EV sales around the world grew by a record 160% within the first half of the year alone.

Contributing to the resilience of EV sales in the face of the pandemic were efforts by automakers who have been shaking up and electrifying their lineups. There have also been supportive regulatory frameworks put in place, more governments announcing incentives to safeguard EV sales from an economic downturn, and perhaps more importantly, the expansion of the number of EV models while battery costs had continued to fall.

Did the public embrace electric vehicles better in 2021?

If you look into every major technological advancement we have endured over the past centuries, they all follow remarkably similar paths to broad adoption. As Rapid Shift put in its report, “they putter along until they hit that magic sweet spot of value and convenience — and then they take off. Adoption rapidly increases until the market is close to saturated, when it trails off.”

To put it in context, much like the internet in the 90s, the electric car market is now growing exponentially. As of now, it is estimated that drivers around the world will buy around 5.6 million electric passenger vehicles this year, according to a recent report from BloombergNEF released in concert with the COP26 United Nations Climate Change Conference.

Global EV sales. Source: BloombergNEF

That is basically double the number purchased last year and, more importantly, it represents almost 8% of all vehicle sales. The more interesting fact is that today, there are more than 500 models of EVs and fuel cell vehicles available for sale — just six years ago, that figure was under 100.

The more apparent interest is mainly attributed to the flurry of investments in a range of areas, from charging infrastructure to energy storage and transmission, involving a combination of government, utility, and private firms around the world. In fact, with many governments around the world setting targets to ban the sale of petrol and diesel vehicles, it indirectly gives impetus to the entire transition process.

[Eric Gagen + 713]

8 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

With fully programmable vehicles, who needs to even leave their eyes open? 

That's exactly what I mean. You have no feel for the terrain if the cpu does everything. You're just a tourist in a seat. 

No thrill. No fear. No soul. 

A pavement princess will never understand this. 

Sounds like you would rather go hiking or horseback riding.  

Edited December 13, 2021 by Eric Gagen

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29 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

Sounds like you would rather go hiking or horseback riding.  

I do both as well. Beauty of living near the foothills of the Rockies. 

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4 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Sounds like you would rather go hiking or horseback riding.  

The horse, the ultimate "autonomous vehicle" (until you need to catch 'em).

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9 hours ago, notsonice said:

2021 – a breakthrough year for electric vehicles

We are in the middle of the biggest revolution in motoring since Henry Ford's first assembly line was installed in 1913. Are we moving faster than expected?

8 December 2021

• The global EV market — including hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs), plug-in HEVs (PHEVs), and battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) — continued to heat up in 2021 despite the Covid-19 pandemic
• Incentives and an explosion in the number of new EV models came together at the right time, energizing both supply and demand

 

They said the 2020s will be the decade of the electric car — and they are not wrong. For starters, despite a pandemic-related worldwide downturn in car sales, the global sales of electric vehicles (EVs) increased by a staggering 41% in 2020. Even better, by 2021 EV sales around the world grew by a record 160% within the first half of the year alone.

Contributing to the resilience of EV sales in the face of the pandemic were efforts by automakers who have been shaking up and electrifying their lineups. There have also been supportive regulatory frameworks put in place, more governments announcing incentives to safeguard EV sales from an economic downturn, and perhaps more importantly, the expansion of the number of EV models while battery costs had continued to fall.

Did the public embrace electric vehicles better in 2021?

If you look into every major technological advancement we have endured over the past centuries, they all follow remarkably similar paths to broad adoption. As Rapid Shift put in its report, “they putter along until they hit that magic sweet spot of value and convenience — and then they take off. Adoption rapidly increases until the market is close to saturated, when it trails off.”

To put it in context, much like the internet in the 90s, the electric car market is now growing exponentially. As of now, it is estimated that drivers around the world will buy around 5.6 million electric passenger vehicles this year, according to a recent report from BloombergNEF released in concert with the COP26 United Nations Climate Change Conference.

Global EV sales. Source: BloombergNEF

That is basically double the number purchased last year and, more importantly, it represents almost 8% of all vehicle sales. The more interesting fact is that today, there are more than 500 models of EVs and fuel cell vehicles available for sale — just six years ago, that figure was under 100.

The more apparent interest is mainly attributed to the flurry of investments in a range of areas, from charging infrastructure to energy storage and transmission, involving a combination of government, utility, and private firms around the world. In fact, with many governments around the world setting targets to ban the sale of petrol and diesel vehicles, it indirectly gives impetus to the entire transition process.

I applaud the rise in plug in hybrids. They make total sense to me. Especially if the balance of full generation for long trips can be achieved. Later, when there is more infrastructure for fast electric fueling pure hybrids can be more practical and desirable. Rushing the whole process through government funding and taxation is a bad idea IMHO. 

Diesel/electric locomotives have proven that hybrid systems are a great idea. Gasoline and other fuels can do the same. 

The electricity for pure electric vehicles has to come from somewhere. It can be a plug somewhere, a lot somewhere, but it has to be supplied by fossil fuel turbines, wind, or solar, nuclear, etc. 

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/electric-car-statistics/

1. The latest report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance shows that by 2040, 58% of global passenger vehicle sales will come from electric vehicles. At the same time, they will make up less than 33% of all the cars on the road.

Edited December 13, 2021 by ronwagn
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[turbguy + 1,397]

4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Huh.

What does that mean?

Vetoing something changes nothing.

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5 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Because they are looking forward to the arctic being ice free. Siberia might even become habitable. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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33 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Because they are looking forward to the arctic being ice free. Siberia might even become habitable. 

Our far north states and Canada as well. The builders in Florida don't seem worried. 

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36 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Huh.

What does that mean?

Vetoing something changes nothing.

It may have a lot of power involving how far the U.N. can push its goals. The U.N.s  chief goal is to get money from the West to build solar panels and wind turbines in Third World nations. I don't think that will ever amount to much. They certainly don't want countries to stop producing fossil fuels or lose ability to buy it.

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3 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Our far north states and Canada as well. The builders in Florida don't seem worried. 

That is because you aren't paying attention. The epochtimes and brietbart don't tell you about these things.

The water is coming’: Florida Keys faces stark reality as seas rise https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/24/florida-keys-climate-change-sea-level-rise

Florida Lawmakers Unveil $100M Plan to Tackle Climate Change, Sea Rise https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2021/03/01/603168.htm

 

Florida Gov. DeSantis proposes plan to fight rising seas without any ‘left-wing stuff’ https://news.yahoo.com/florida-gov-desantis-proposes-plan-232500861.html

 

 

 

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Whatever happens will be dealt with one way or the other. South Florida has been underwater before. Florida can't stop the rest of the world from burning coal. 

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

8 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I applaud the rise in plug in hybrids. They make total sense to me. Especially if the balance of full generation for long trips can be achieved. Later, when there is more infrastructure for fast electric fueling pure hybrids can be more practical and desirable. Rushing the whole process through government funding and taxation is a bad idea IMHO. 

Diesel/electric locomotives have proven that hybrid systems are a great idea. Gasoline and other fuels can do the same. 

The electricity for pure electric vehicles has to come from somewhere. It can be a plug somewhere, a lot somewhere, but it has to be supplied by fossil fuel turbines, wind, or solar, nuclear, etc. 

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/electric-car-statistics/

1. The latest report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance shows that by 2040, 58% of global passenger vehicle sales will come from electric vehicles. At the same time, they will make up less than 33% of all the cars on the road.

Your data is out of date as usual. 

Bloomberg now predicts 70% of new car sales to be EV in 2040 with a fleet percentage of 39%. https://assets.bbhub.io/professional/sites/24/BNEF-Zero-Emission-Vehicles-Factbook_FINAL.pdf

What is going to happen is that every time they come out with this prediction the share of EVs is going to rise, just like it has with the solar power predictions, because they are vastly underestimating the strength of the growth curve.

https://assets.bbhub.io/professional/sites/24/BNEF-Zero-Emission-Vehicles-Factbook_FINAL.pdf

Edited December 14, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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15 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Your data is out of date as usual. 

Bloomberg now predicts 70% of new car sales to be EV in 2040 with a fleet percentage of 39%. https://assets.bbhub.io/professional/sites/24/BNEF-Zero-Emission-Vehicles-Factbook_FINAL.pdf

What is going to happen is that every time they come out with this prediction the share of EVs is going to rise, just like it has with the solar power predictions, because they are vastly underestimating the strength of the growth curve.

Electric Car Statistics in the US and Abroad

By Alex Kopestinsky

Last modified: August 12, 2021

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22 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Electric Car Statistics in the US and Abroad

By Alex Kopestinsky

Last modified: August 12, 2021

1. The most current data cited in that article is from 2019. Go look for yourself.

2. The Bloomberg data I cited is dated November 10, 2021 which is three months more recent than the date on the article.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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My story said it was updated. 

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14 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

My story said it was updated. 

Which is meaningless. All the data it cites is from 2019 or prior. Bloomberg released their newest EV forecast on November 10, 2021 which is three months after your article which says Last modified: August 12, 2021.  

Edited December 14, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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Jay, your projections are just new guesses by people YOU trust. That does not mean that others should go along with you or your sources. They are open for debate. The prognosticators have personal agendas that make them fanboys like you. That does not mean you are wrong, nor does it mean you are right. 

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6 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Jay, your projections are just new guesses by people YOU trust. That does not mean that others should go along with you or your sources. They are open for debate. The prognosticators have personal agendas that make them fanboys like you. That does not mean you are wrong, nor does it mean you are right. 

Ron, how dumb can you be? You are the one who cited the Bloomberg EV forecast from a couple years ago!!! I pointed out that they had a new forecast. It is the same damn people!!!!!

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Ron, how dumb can you be? You are the one who cited the Bloomberg EV forecast from a couple years ago!!! I pointed out that they had a new forecast. It is the same damn people!!!!!

 

Jay, not as dumb as you are. You don't even know the difference between a forecast and reality. Anyone can make a forecast. It can be right or wrong. Wake up and smell reality!