Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 15, 2021 It looks like Green has gone bust. Investments sinking. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-ESG-Bubble-Has-Finally-Burst.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 15, 2021 14 hours ago, notsonice said: solved ? Same old 70 year old crappy pipe in the ground across Michigan. Enbridge does not care. Great Lakes are more important than Enbridge Looks like that old pipe has done pretty well, small problems at best. Now getting an upgrade for good. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 16, 2021 (edited) There is another Blizzard of Lies which is being carried out at the super-international highest-powers-that-be level, the ridiculous dance over coal "phase-out", even though new coal-burning technology is now free of toxic emissions. China is regularly lauded by climate agitators and activists as the world leader in the new Green Revolution and a model for the backward countries of North America. The truth, of course, is always the opposite of what the Green (that should be Brown) Revolutionary Cadres want us to believe. https://globalenergymonitor.org/press-release/new-report-record-coal-plant-retirements-in-u-s-and-eu-offset-by-china-coal-plant-boom-in-2020/ Edited May 16, 2021 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 16, 2021 Another blockbuster announcement showing the great strides being made in EV technology, a revelation of a new level of human ingenuity and mastery of the art of transportation.....breathtaking. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Tesla-Admits-It-Wont-Have-A-Fully-Self-Driving-Car-In-2021.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoMack + 549 JM May 17, 2021 No pipelines, so how about rail? ABC News on Twitter- %22A freight train hauling fertilizer derailed and caught fire near Sibley, Iowa,….webloc 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoMack + 549 JM May 17, 2021 Let's try this one more time for those who don't want pipelines. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1394060040072478723?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1394060040072478723|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mprnews.org%2Fstory%2F2021%2F05%2F16%2Ffiery-train-derailment-prompts-evacuation-in-iowa-town 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,543 May 17, 2021 On 5/15/2021 at 8:11 PM, Ecocharger said: There is another Blizzard of Lies which is being carried out at the super-international highest-powers-that-be level, the ridiculous dance over coal "phase-out", even though new coal-burning technology is now free of toxic emissions. This "new coal burning" tech needs a reference. Even the MINING, PROCESSING and TRANSPORTATION of coal emits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 469 May 18, 2021 a rush to shut the pipeline before alternative is built?? 🤭 what happens to UNSIGHTLY pipeline above the lakeside?? Is there a problem to bend the pipe bypassing the lake above ground?? They can camouflage the above ground pipe with background color of the area no?? 🤭 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 18, 2021 9 hours ago, turbguy said: This "new coal burning" tech needs a reference. Even the MINING, PROCESSING and TRANSPORTATION of coal emits. Emits what? Coal-burning technology for thermal power is now emissions free, that is, free of toxic chamicals. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 18, 2021 (edited) The transition to "clean" (read "Brown") energy would hit a huge snag which will slow down any attempt to adopt batteries on a widespread basis. "Amid the most bullish expectations about the lithium market in years, analysts warn that even the increased project pipeline may not be sufficient to meet the booming demand for lithium—a critical battery metal—in the energy transition. Experts and forecasters also warn that rising raw material prices in the current commodity bull run could actually slow down the energy transition because it could slow the decline in battery costs. Lower battery costs would be critical to EVs reaching price parity with conventional vehicles and allowing for more energy storage deployment to support the rising share of renewables in the electricity generation mix." "The current project pipeline could result in capacity deficits that could triple lithium prices towards the end of this decade, Rystad Energy says. According to the IEA, lithium demand in 2040 could be 13 to 51 times higher than today’s levels, depending on the advancement in battery technology and the climate targets." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-World-Is-Facing-A-Lithium-Supply-Crunch-As-Demand-Soars.html Edited May 18, 2021 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM May 18, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 11:20 PM, Ecocharger said: Looks like that old pipe has done pretty well, small problems at best. Now getting an upgrade for good. That spill was far more than a small problem. I know an biologist who worked for Enbridge at the time. He said the local hate for them was intense - like hire bodyguards. The locals vandalized the hotel rooms they were put up in (for free). Enbride paid all hotel cleanup costs and kept the media out. The worst room had "F**k Enbridge" written in human stool on the walls. He also said normally they would be allow to euthanize oily Canadian Geese, this time they were denied. With all the vet bills etc. he said they were spending around $20,000 for every bird saved. Crazy for a bird that is not rare and is basically a pest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM May 18, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Emits what? Coal-burning technology for thermal power is now emissions free, that is, free of toxic chamicals. You can't even mine coal, let lone burn it without releasing large amounts of toxic pollution - and I'm not even talking about all the fuel burned. Huge amounts of toxic dust gets released into the air. Coal is filthy - fact. Edited May 18, 2021 by -trance 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG May 18, 2021 (edited) On 5/17/2021 at 1:59 PM, JoMack said: Let's try this one more time for those who don't want pipelines. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1394060040072478723?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1394060040072478723|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mprnews.org%2Fstory%2F2021%2F05%2F16%2Ffiery-train-derailment-prompts-evacuation-in-iowa-town Easy peasy, stop the trains and trucks. We don’t need Albertas oil, we don’t need to export oil. We could easily get rid of a lot of refinery capacity and imports and have plenty for US consumption. US drillers kick butt if the price is right. In fact US drillers are ramping up now. Why? The price is right. Edited May 18, 2021 by Boat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 May 18, 2021 Vistra Corp. owns 36 natural-gas power plants, one of America’s largest fleets. It doesn’t plan to buy or build any more. Instead, Vistra intends to invest more than $1 billion in solar farms and battery storage units in Texas and California as it tries to transform its business to survive in an electricity industry being reshaped by new technology. “I’m hellbent on not becoming the next Blockbuster Video , ” said Vistra Chief Executive Curt Morgan. “I’m not going to sit back and watch this legacy business dwindle and not participate.” A decade ago, natural gas displaced coal as America’s top electric-power source, as fracking unlocked cheap quantities of the fuel. Now, in quick succession, natural gas finds itself threatened with the same kind of disruption, only this time from cost-effective batteries charged with wind and solar energy. Natural-gas-fired electricity represented 38% of U.S. generation in 2019, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, or EIA, and it supplies round-the-clock electricity as well as bursts during peak demand. Wind and solar generators have gained substantial market share, and as battery costs fall, batteries paired with that green power are beginning to step into those roles by storing inexpensive green energy and discharging it after the sun falls or the wind dies.https://www.wsj.com/articles/batteries-challenge-natural-gas-elecric-power-generation-11620236583 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,543 May 18, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Emits what? Coal-burning technology for thermal power is now emissions free, that is, free of toxic chamicals. Mining coal moves earth overburden, or digs a hole in the ground, with??? (it ain't men at the end of handshovels or picks). Sorting the coal requires conveying/breaking/sorting, with?? Loading the processed coal into the railcars requires?? MOVING the railcars to a plant requires ?? Pushing/mixing the coal around the plant pile uses?? "Emissions-free" means zero emissions, toxic or otherwise. What do you do with the "real estate" that won't burn (a.k.a., ASH)? Do you have any idea what is in that ash? What do you do with the SO₂ or the NOX or the fine particulates that pass through the ESP and baghouses? The current "mufflers" do not remove 100% of these emissions. Even better, what do you do with the CO₂? If you have a link to a plant that emits zero, PLEASE post that. I would be REALLY interested in the tech. Edited May 18, 2021 by turbguy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 10:41 PM, -trance said: The crap tons of other ICE buses they run: - Low Floor 40' Buses 850 - 60' Articulated Buses 33 - Community Buses 49 - Paratransit Buses 100 They consulted the service department during the procurement and testing process. Not sure what these numbers refer to.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM May 19, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 8:27 PM, Ecocharger said: 30% reduction compared to what? A jet airliner? Some pitch. 30% less than the rest of their fleet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Not sure what these numbers refer to.... See above, they have over a thousand other buses to compare to. You asked for the comparison and made a poor joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 6 hours ago, -trance said: That spill was far more than a small problem. I know an biologist who worked for Enbridge at the time. He said the local hate for them was intense - like hire bodyguards. The locals vandalized the hotel rooms they were put up in (for free). Enbride paid all hotel cleanup costs and kept the media out. The worst room had "F**k Enbridge" written in human stool on the walls. He also said normally they would be allow to euthanize oily Canadian Geese, this time they were denied. With all the vet bills etc. he said they were spending around $20,000 for every bird saved. Crazy for a bird that is not rare and is basically a pest. Funny, that was how many years ago? And that was the ONLY problem with this pipeline, which has run for many decades? The total costs were? Sounds relatively minor to me...compared to the wild ramp-up of coal production in China to fuel EV's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, -trance said: See above, they have over a thousand other buses to compare to. You asked for the comparison and made a poor joke. You might try citing the study, so that we could understand the noise. Edited May 19, 2021 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, -trance said: 30% less than the rest of their fleet. Again, we need a reference, Perfessor. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, turbguy said: Mining coal moves earth overburden, or digs a hole in the ground, with??? (it ain't men at the end of handshovels or picks). Sorting the coal requires conveying/breaking/sorting, with?? Loading the processed coal into the railcars requires?? MOVING the railcars to a plant requires ?? Pushing/mixing the coal around the plant pile uses?? "Emissions-free" means zero emissions, toxic or otherwise. What do you do with the "real estate" that won't burn (a.k.a., ASH)? Do you have any idea what is in that ash? What do you do with the SO₂ or the NOX or the fine particulates that pass through the ESP and baghouses? The current "mufflers" do not remove 100% of these emissions. Even better, what do you do with the CO₂? If you have a link to a plant that emits zero, PLEASE post that. I would be REALLY interested in the tech. The CO2? Anyone who considers that to be a pollutant is dreaming in technicolor. We need CO2 to live as a human species. The new coal-burning thermal plants are regarded as zero-toxic-emission technology. That is well established. Edited May 19, 2021 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 6 hours ago, -trance said: That spill was far more than a small problem. I know an biologist who worked for Enbridge at the time. He said the local hate for them was intense - like hire bodyguards. The locals vandalized the hotel rooms they were put up in (for free). Enbride paid all hotel cleanup costs and kept the media out. The worst room had "F**k Enbridge" written in human stool on the walls. He also said normally they would be allow to euthanize oily Canadian Geese, this time they were denied. With all the vet bills etc. he said they were spending around $20,000 for every bird saved. Crazy for a bird that is not rare and is basically a pest. "Hate" by eco-protesters proves nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL May 19, 2021 (edited) The new Green (or rather Brown) Revolution has caused widespread panic and logical breakdowns in many higher levels of thought, just take a look at this nonsense. Madness has prevailed, and do not even try to mention real science to these folks...not only do they not understand it, they don't even want to hear about it. Pass out the life-preservers, abandon ship! https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-IEAs-Latest-Proposal-Is-Both-Reckless-And-Impossible.html Edited May 19, 2021 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM May 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: You might try citing the study, so that we could understand the noise. . I posted the link, you just didn't read it. Try not to make yourself look bad. It's is a 139 pages - I will take the executive summary, have fun. https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/transit/ETS_Electric_Feasibility_Study.pdf https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/transit/electric-buses.aspx Edited May 19, 2021 by -trance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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