GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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Here is one for Jay: https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/5/22868410/gm-chevy-equinox-blazer-ev-announced-ces $30,000  Chevy EV. 

Still about twice the price of a Mitsubishi Mirage. 

https://www.mitsubishicars.com/mirage/2022#hero-area-v2

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55 minutes ago, Boat said:

The fact EV’s is going to take over is old conversation. When AI takes over you will be able to charge your car at multiple places and never get in the car. You may choose to store your car in a parking garage that comes with free car washes. Energy and/or software companies might have a car division, chip division, stamp division, battery division, datalink satellite division, wind-solar division.etc

Chargers to rent may be anywhere you want to park. You may charge wirelessly on a stretch of road at 70 mph. We’re not talking Trump news here boys. We’re talking the future. 
 

You may own a driverless shopping cart that picks up goods, brings them to the house. After unloading you send it out for service, a car wash, go recharge then pick up the kids on the way home. Your cart may inform you of its schedule for the day. Lol

We buy nearly everything from Amazon and pick it up at our door. That eliminates 70% of in town travel and many hours of time shopping. Maybe they will be sending me a car remotely and I can just tell it where I want to go, it can drop me back at home. 

 

45 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Hybrid sales decreased. BEV were only category that increased sales.

How do they tax electric vehicles and the miles they put on roads? Does the government give rebates? Britain doesn't even have enough electricity now. 

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Hybrid sales decreased. BEV was only category that increased sales.

Did you read my article? 

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Haha! A down vote for pointing out objective reality. So @Ecocharger do tell us where used cars come from if not from the new car market?

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Did you read my article? 

Yes, all problems that will be solved in sync with EV growth. 

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, all problems that will be solved in sync with EV growth. 

Not now though, they will suffer through owning an EV. 

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

We buy nearly everything from Amazon and pick it up at our door. That eliminates 70% of in town travel and many hours of time shopping. Maybe they will be sending me a car remotely and I can just tell it where I want to go, it can drop me back at home. 

 

How do they tax electric vehicles and the miles they put on roads? Does the government give rebates? Britain doesn't even have enough electricity now. 

I do the same with Amazon. I also have my groceries delivered. Some think AI cars will replace private ownership due to reduced cost. Like you mentioned, an Uber without a driver. 
 

Britain is not citizen first like the US is not. You love to put names like socialism on systems that require business to pay for infrastructure that is vital for its survival. Healthcare is another. Politicians and jobs in an office need it but the worker on the floor is a communist lefty for expecting healthcare for himself and his family in exchange for the best workers in the world that built the country. 

Musk may be the best engineer in the history of the world but he can’t do shyt without workers and the nations infrastructure built before his time. That’s what the black prez Obama said and of course he was right. Guess what, he didn’t attack the Capital either. 

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Just now, ronwagn said:

Not now though, they will suffer through owning an EV. 

Choosing an EV with 80 miles range for lots of long range driving is dumb and was the cause of all her problems. There is no suffering if you buy an EV suited to purpose. If a suitable EV does not exist yet then you should not buy one. 

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10 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Choosing an EV with 80 miles range for lots of long range driving is dumb and was the cause of all her problems. There is no suffering if you buy an EV suited to purpose. If a suitable EV does not exist yet then you should not buy one. 

She was just trying it out for free out of curiosity. 

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

She was just trying it out for free out of curiosity. 

For the purpose of writing a manufactured hit piece on EVs that she got paid for. Either that or she's an idiot.

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18 minutes ago, Boat said:

I do the same with Amazon. I also have my groceries delivered. Some think AI cars will replace private ownership due to reduced cost. Like you mentioned, an Uber without a driver. 
 

Britain is not citizen first like the US is not. You love to put names like socialism on systems that require business to pay for infrastructure that is vital for its survival. Healthcare is another. Politicians and jobs in an office need it but the worker on the floor is a communist lefty for expecting healthcare for himself and his family in exchange for the best workers in the world that built the country. 

Musk may be the best engineer in the history of the world but he can’t do shyt without workers and the nations infrastructure built before his time. That’s what the black prez Obama said and of course he was right. Guess what, he didn’t attack the Capital either. 

The FBI FIB invaded the Capitol. 

Who invaded inside the Capitol? https://docs.google.com/document/d/19qLxuaWqyPKPsE7xyT2ATV6-I9J_BhfvkChb3E-NL4o/edit

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

For the purpose of writing a manufactured hit piece on EVs that she got paid for. Either that or she's an idiot.

I think she was just uninformed. She never did get stranded. 

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On 1/5/2022 at 11:17 PM, notsonice said:

 

yet winters are warmer than average year after year after year now.......The chart below does not contain 2020 as the chart was made in Jan of 2020...Only a braindead person lives in denial of what is happening.....

 

 

USA National Forecast

January-March Temperature Outlook: Much of U.S. Could See Mild First Three Months of 2022

By weather.com meteorologists

December 16, 2021

Where are the thermometers?  Oh right, majority in cities.  Do cities have heating in their buildings...

Remove city data, then show.  Oh right, we have those data sets, UAH & USCRN and shows no warming in 5 and 15 years respectively.  1 is the whole planet from space and the other across an entire continent. 

Got more trash to dump?

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Haha! A down vote for pointing out objective reality. So @Ecocharger do tell us where used cars come from if not from the new car market?

You have a great propensity to misunderstand the "down" sign, Jay.....how much of a used car market will exist for EVs? Who will buy a used EV that might require a $10,000 battery replacement in short order? 

Try thinking before speaking.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, all problems that will be solved in sync with EV growth. 

"Yes, all problems will be solved..." Big joke. And grossly unscientific.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Choosing an EV with 80 miles range for lots of long range driving is dumb and was the cause of all her problems. There is no suffering if you buy an EV suited to purpose. If a suitable EV does not exist yet then you should not buy one. 

Cold weather like we are now experiencing reduces the range of EV batteries.

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The Green Dreamers are self-strangulating their own dreams, pushing up the price of fossil fuel energy sources, which in turn pushes up the price of electrical energy.

I guess these guys never studied economics.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Higher-Natural-Gas-Prices-Push-Up-US-Wholesale-Electricity-Prices.html

"Apart from generally higher natural gas prices in 2021 compared to 2020, the Texas Freeze in February 2021 also led to spikes in regional wholesale electricity prices in several regions during and after the winter storm.

Before 2021, U.S. natural gas prices were relatively low thanks to abundant supply. The cost of natural gas delivered to electric generators averaged $2.40 per million British thermal units (MMBtu) in 2020. But in 2021, rising demand amid a muted supply response led to higher natural gas prices and the delivered cost of natural gas to electricity generators jumped from $3.19/MMBtu in January 2021 to an estimated $5.04/MMBtu in the fourth quarter of 2021, the EIA said.

Due to the high natural gas prices, all regions saw higher wholesale electricity prices in 2021.

For example, average electricity prices during the second half of 2021 averaged $45/MWh at the Illinois hub in the Midcontinent ISO market, up by a massive 97 percent from the second half of 2020. Average electricity prices at the SP15 hub in the California CAISO market was $61/MWh in the second half of 2021, up by 37 percent compared to the same period of 2020, the EIA has estimated."

Edited January 8, 2022 by Ecocharger

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49 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You have a great propensity to misunderstand the "down" sign, Jay.....how much of a used car market will exist for EVs? Who will buy a used EV that might require a $10,000 battery replacement in short order? 

Try thinking before speaking.

Because the need for replacement batteries won't be as common as you think and the cost to repair or replace will be less than $10k, plus you get all the other reduced maintenance costs of an EV. Not to mention that ICE cars don't last forever. Twenty years after the new market is 90% EV, 90% of ICE cars will be over 20 years old. They will be more expensive to maintain than a replacement battery. I just spent $2400 to fix the smog system on my car, won't need to to do that with an EV. 

Try joining reality.

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

"Yes, all problems will be solved..." Big joke. And grossly unscientific.

It happens to be how the market works, its called economics. The more of a problem it is the more investment in finding a solution. If the problems aren't solved the product won't be adopted. And all of the problems discussed in that article are well on their way to being solved. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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22 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The Green Dreamers are self-strangulating their own dreams, pushing up the price of fossil fuel energy sources, which in turn pushes up the price of electrical energy.

I guess these guys never studied economics.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Higher-Natural-Gas-Prices-Push-Up-US-Wholesale-Electricity-Prices.html

Makes renewable substitutes ever more competitive. I guess you never studied economics.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Cold weather like we are now experiencing reduces the range of EV batteries.

That is no doubt why the leading EV markets in the world by percentage are the tropical paradises of Norway, Sweden and Iceland.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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Hypothetically an 80 mile range EV would be just fine if you never take it  over 80 miles. Hell you have trains that live in airports. Someday an electric race car may have a 25 lap battery that gets swapped with tires every pit stop. Think outside the box boys.

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The value of Bitcoin is no doubt soaring; however, entrepreneurs are now in search of alternative energy sources to electricity in mining cryptocurrencies through hundreds of computers. And setting up stations, fueled by natural gas, next to oil wells may be the answer

Mining bitcoin with gas that would be flared seems like a good idea. I hope they don’t blow themselves up in the process. 

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1 minute ago, Boat said:

The value of Bitcoin is no doubt soaring;

Bitcoin is crashing.

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Unlike the unwoke some of us are not afraid of solutions. We just want problems solved. Maybe you can put a machine on your car that turns pollution into a gold shit+ing coin producer. God I would hate batteries then. See how that works?