GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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23 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

They aren't experts, just people paid to write fake news that gullible people like you swallow because you can't do the calculations for yourself. 

Nonsense.

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8 hours ago, gkam44 said:

Being a former engineer for a large power company and having earned a Master of Science in Energy and the Environment, I had PV panels installed six years ago, with my estimated payback of 15-17 years, . . the right thing for an eco-freak to do. Before they could be installed, we acquired a VW e-Golf electric car. The savings in gasoline alone took the solar system payback down to 3 1/2 years. So, we added a used Tesla Model S, P85, and that took the payback down to less than three years, which means we now get free power for household and transportation.

 

But that is not all: We do not need to go to gas stations, we fuel up at home at night with cheap baseload power. During the daytime, the PV system turns our meter backwards powering the neighborhood with clean local power, which we trade for the stuff to be used that night. If we paid for transportation fuel, the VW would cost us 4 cents/mile to drive, and the Tesla would cost 5 cents/mile at California off-peak power prices.

 

No oil changes are a real treat along with no leaks. And since it has an electric motor, it needs NO ENGINE MAINTENANCE at all. We do not go "gas up", or get tune-ups or emissions checks, have no transmission about which to worry, no complicated machined parts needing care.

 

I have seen this post before here...get something new or get lost.

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

 

 

275 mile range ...made for short hauling ....regional distribution.......In production this year...all from improved batteries

 

Volvo Trucks introduces second-generation VNR Electric with bigger battery, added range, and new configurations

Scooter Doll

- Jan. 14th 2022 3:23 pm PT

 

 

 

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Volvo Trucks Corporation has announced the next generation of its all-electric, Class 8 VNR trucks for the North American market, including upgrades to battery size, range, and charging speeds. Furthermore, Volvo Trucks has introduced two additional configurations for its commercial fleets customers to choose from.

 

Volvo Group (AB Volvo) is a multinational corporation whose subsidiary Volvo Trucks has manufactured a tremendous amount of the world’s heavy-duty trucks. Previously, the Swedish automaker has teamed up with companies like DHL to produce electric heavy-duty trucks and collaborated with self-driving tech companies like Aurora to develop autonomous transport solutions.

After beginning to sell all-electric trucks in Europe toward the end of 2019, Volvo Trucks set its sights on North America, introducing its VNR Class 8 BEV. This process began in California in early 2020 with a heavy duty EV program centered around the VNR Electric truck .

By the end of 2020, Volvo Trucks had opened up its sales books to commercial customers ahead of production that began in Q2 of last year. Volvo’s flagship VNR Electric truck arrived with a 264 kWh battery and the ability to charge to 80% in under 70 minutes using a sufficient DCFC.

The 2021 VNR Electric delivered an operating range of up to 150 miles based on truck configuration. Speaking of which, it originally came in three configurations – a single-axle box truck with 33,200 lbs. GVW and two tractor configurations consisting of a 4×2 option with 66,000 lbs. and a 6×2 version with 82,000 lbs. GCW.

With the announcement of a new and improved VNR Electric on the way, Volvo Trucks is introducing two additional variations with added range.

All five configurations of the new VNR Electric / Source: Volvo Trucks

Volvo Trucks’ second-generation VNR Electric delivers up to 275 mile range

Volvo Trucks announced changes to its next generation of VNR Electrics through a press release detailing the upgrades commercial customers can expect to see in 2022. Many of these upgrades stem from Volvo’s improved battery technology.

Developments in design have helped Volvo Trucks achieve up to 40% increases in storage capacity for each battery. Furthermore, the Swedish automaker has added a dedicated Battery Thermal Management System (BTMS) to manage and maintain ideal temperatures to ensure best performance.

 

With the newest VNR Electric, Volvo Trucks has also introduced a six-battery package option. The company states that the combination of all three can deliver an increased energy storage of up to 565 kWh, over 300 kWh more than the previous VNR Electric model. The result is an operational range of up to 275 miles, 125 miles more than its predecessor.

Customers of the new and improved VNR Electric will also see reductions in charging times, as the Volvo truck’s 250 kW charging capability can charge to 80% in 90 minutes for the six-battery package, and 60 minutes for the four-battery option. Peter Voorhoeve, president, Volvo Trucks North America, spoke to the company’s latest electric offering:

It is a testament to Volvo Trucks’ leadership that in a continuously evolving industry we are bringing the enhanced version of our VNR Electric to the market a year after sales of the VNR Electric first started. Volvo Trucks is at the forefront in the industry, always innovating and improving, while upholding the highest standards in design, construction and safety. Our team is proud of its role, together with dealers and customers, in accelerating the shift to electromobility and a more sustainable future.

As previously mentioned, the new VNR Electric is now available in two additional configurations –  a 6×4 straight truck and a 6×4 tractor (the bottom two configurations in the image above). The former promises 54,000 lbs. GVW, while the latter will offer 88,200 lbs. GCW.

The next generation VNE Electric trucks are available for order now and will begin production in Q2 of this year at Volvo Truck’s manufacturing facility in Dublin, Virginia. 

How many of these are actually ON THE ROAD? Any at all?

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7 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, you have already voted with your own wallet for the ICE over the EV...that tells us all that we need to know.

When you resort to making it about me and not the actual numbers I know I won.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

When you resort to making it about me and not the actual numbers I know I won.

You are the test case, Jay, a fanatic EV supporter. If you choose to buy ICE over EV, using your own hard-earned money, that is the convincing detail in this discussion.

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EVs are running into a brick wall of supply shortages.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/A-Copper-Crisis-Threatens-The-Energy-Transition.html

"Global demand for copper is forecast to outstrip supply by more than six million tonnes by 2030

A combination of low investment, environmental resistance, and supply chain issues are set to send copper prices even higher

The supply shortage will almost certainly boost recycling levels as demand is only set to grow"

Edited January 16, 2022 by Ecocharger

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On 1/12/2022 at 1:35 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

U.S. Saw Its 4th-Hottest Year On Record In 2021, Fueled By Record-Warm December

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/11/u-s-saw-its-4th-hottest-year-on-record-fueled-by-record-warm-december/

I really enjoyed it. Got our first dusting of snow today. Cold though. 

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You are the test case, Jay, a fanatic EV supporter. If you choose to buy ICE over EV, using your own hard-earned money, that is the convincing detail in this discussion.

Haha! No the actual market numbers are the real case.

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Just now, Jay McKinsey said:

Haha! No the actual market numbers are the real case.

You are the ultimate test case, Jay. That's how I know I won.

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10 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Haha! No the actual market numbers are the real case.

I just updated my info on the Ford Maverick small truck posted a few days ago. We are now shopping for the hybrid mode. My understanding is it is a plug in also. We have seen one and they are very nice. It was in the top 3 in a recent new auto rating. It gets 40 mpg around town and 33 on the highway and tows 2,000 pounds. I started out with a Ford Falcon and am now back to another compact Ford. We are getting a top of the line Lariat with all the bells and whistles. Please check it out. 

Edited January 16, 2022 by ronwagn
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5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You are the ultimate test case, Jay. That's how I know I won.

It's OK I am going to beat him to the punch with my ford Maverick Lariat Super Crew hybrid. 

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4 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I just updated my info on the Ford Maverick small truck posted a few days ago. We are now shopping for the hybrid mode. My understanding is it is a plug in also. We have seen one and they are very nice. It was in the top 3 in a recent new auto rating. It gets 40 mpg around town and 33 on the highway and tows 2,000 pounds. I started out with a Ford Falcon and am now back to another compact Ford. We are getting a top of the line Laredo with all the bells and whistles. Please check it out. 

I looked and unfortunately it is not a plug-in. Still better than pure ICE. 

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4 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

It's OK I am going to beat him to the punch with my ford Maverick Lariat Super Crew hybrid. 

I am looking for same but all wheel drive. 

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6 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

I am looking for same but all wheel drive. 

 

6 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

I am looking for same but all wheel drive. 

They offer it in AWD but only with the all ICE version that gets normal small truck MPG. The price starts at $20,000 though so you could still do very well economically. 

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14 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

 

They offer it in AWD but only with the all ICE version that gets normal small truck MPG. The price starts at $20,000 though so you could still do very well economically. 

Found one up in Kewanee 35 miles north, but is xlt not Lariat 500a equipment group. 25 mpg. 

Front wheel drive in Eureka, Lariat 500a in Silver 42 city mpg 33 hiway mpg 28,320.00

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Old-Ruffneck

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4 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Found one up in Kewanee 35 miles north, but is xlt not Lariat 500a equipment group. 25 mpg. 

Front wheel drive in Eureka, Lariat 500a in Silver 42 city mpg 33 hiway mpg

 

If you get one, let me know what kind of discount you get off of sticker. I am getting ready to buy. They are unbelievable mpgs for a small truck. Not much different than my Mitsubishi Mirage which is only a three cylinder but has the continuously variable transmission (CVT) like the Maverick. 

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10 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Found one up in Kewanee 35 miles north, but is xlt not Lariat 500a equipment group. 25 mpg. 

Front wheel drive in Eureka, Lariat 500a in Silver 42 city mpg 33 hiway mpg 28,320.00

 

I got the fancy stuff to make my wife happy. I am normally cheap on cars. The 500A group is good. I would add a few accessories for the bed and towing plus the lockable tailgate item.

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

If you get one, let me know what kind of discount you get off of sticker. I am getting ready to buy. They are unbelievable mpgs for a small truck. Not much different than my Mitsubishi Mirage which is only a three cylinder but has the continuously variable transmission (CVT) like the Maverick. 

When I got my F-350 few weeks ago, I paid sticker and was only one (2022) Diesel on the lot. That one sticker was 83 and change but they gave me almost what I paid for my 2019 Silverado with Diesel fully loaded. I pd 63k for it and got 60,250. Couple minor dings and needed new rubber all way around. Mangold in Eureka has sold me 6 new trucks in last 12 years. And 3 new Mustangs. Good dealership.

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Just now, Old-Ruffneck said:

When I got my F-350 few weeks ago, I paid sticker and was only one (2022) Diesel on the lot. That one sticker was 83 and change but they gave me almost what I paid for my 2019 Silverado with Diesel fully loaded. I pd 63k for it and got 60,250. Couple minor dings and needed new rubber all way around. Mangold in Eureka has sold me 6 new trucks in last 12 years. And 3 new Mustangs. Good dealership.

Wow, glad to hear you can afford those! My Nissan NV3500 should get almost what I paid for it four years ago. At least that is what Edmunds says for a trade in value. $5,000 less. Nissan stopped making the passenger version with the 12 large leather seats. 

I am thinking of negotiating with all the dealers within 30 miles or maybe more. We are not in any hurry. In your experience is it as good to trade in as to sell your old vehicle privately. I have always have had kids that needed my old cars and have only traded for my first new car. 

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

Wow, glad to hear you can afford those! My Nissan NV3500 should get almost what I paid for it four years ago. At least that is what Edmunds says for a trade in value. $5,000 less. Nissan stopped making the passenger version with the 12 large leather seats. 

I am thinking of negotiating with all the dealers within 30 miles or maybe more. We are not in any hurry. In your experience is it as good to trade in as to sell your old vehicle privately. I have always have had kids that needed my old cars and have only traded for my first new car. 

Right now it's better to trade as dealers are hurting for cars. Check out Springfield Ford dealers, I am sure there is something in your taste. Peoria is too far for ya. 

I traded a 2016 Lariat XLT crew cab with 139,500 miles on it for my new Mustang i got in August. Took 4 month to build it. I paid in 16 62k for that f-250 crew, they gave me 40,200. So 5 years and paid 10k differance. Plus good ol' Illinois tax lol.

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5 hours ago, notsonice said:

 

 

275 mile range ...made for short hauling ....regional distribution.......In production this year...all from improved batteries

 

Volvo Trucks introduces second-generation VNR Electric with bigger battery, added range, and new configurations

Scooter Doll

- Jan. 14th 2022 3:23 pm PT

 

 

 

72 Comments 

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Volvo Trucks Corporation has announced the next generation of its all-electric, Class 8 VNR trucks for the North American market, including upgrades to battery size, range, and charging speeds. Furthermore, Volvo Trucks has introduced two additional configurations for its commercial fleets customers to choose from.

 

Volvo Group (AB Volvo) is a multinational corporation whose subsidiary Volvo Trucks has manufactured a tremendous amount of the world’s heavy-duty trucks. Previously, the Swedish automaker has teamed up with companies like DHL to produce electric heavy-duty trucks and collaborated with self-driving tech companies like Aurora to develop autonomous transport solutions.

After beginning to sell all-electric trucks in Europe toward the end of 2019, Volvo Trucks set its sights on North America, introducing its VNR Class 8 BEV. This process began in California in early 2020 with a heavy duty EV program centered around the VNR Electric truck .

By the end of 2020, Volvo Trucks had opened up its sales books to commercial customers ahead of production that began in Q2 of last year. Volvo’s flagship VNR Electric truck arrived with a 264 kWh battery and the ability to charge to 80% in under 70 minutes using a sufficient DCFC.

The 2021 VNR Electric delivered an operating range of up to 150 miles based on truck configuration. Speaking of which, it originally came in three configurations – a single-axle box truck with 33,200 lbs. GVW and two tractor configurations consisting of a 4×2 option with 66,000 lbs. and a 6×2 version with 82,000 lbs. GCW.

With the announcement of a new and improved VNR Electric on the way, Volvo Trucks is introducing two additional variations with added range.

All five configurations of the new VNR Electric / Source: Volvo Trucks

Volvo Trucks’ second-generation VNR Electric delivers up to 275 mile range

Volvo Trucks announced changes to its next generation of VNR Electrics through a press release detailing the upgrades commercial customers can expect to see in 2022. Many of these upgrades stem from Volvo’s improved battery technology.

Developments in design have helped Volvo Trucks achieve up to 40% increases in storage capacity for each battery. Furthermore, the Swedish automaker has added a dedicated Battery Thermal Management System (BTMS) to manage and maintain ideal temperatures to ensure best performance.

 

With the newest VNR Electric, Volvo Trucks has also introduced a six-battery package option. The company states that the combination of all three can deliver an increased energy storage of up to 565 kWh, over 300 kWh more than the previous VNR Electric model. The result is an operational range of up to 275 miles, 125 miles more than its predecessor.

Customers of the new and improved VNR Electric will also see reductions in charging times, as the Volvo truck’s 250 kW charging capability can charge to 80% in 90 minutes for the six-battery package, and 60 minutes for the four-battery option. Peter Voorhoeve, president, Volvo Trucks North America, spoke to the company’s latest electric offering:

It is a testament to Volvo Trucks’ leadership that in a continuously evolving industry we are bringing the enhanced version of our VNR Electric to the market a year after sales of the VNR Electric first started. Volvo Trucks is at the forefront in the industry, always innovating and improving, while upholding the highest standards in design, construction and safety. Our team is proud of its role, together with dealers and customers, in accelerating the shift to electromobility and a more sustainable future.

As previously mentioned, the new VNR Electric is now available in two additional configurations –  a 6×4 straight truck and a 6×4 tractor (the bottom two configurations in the image above). The former promises 54,000 lbs. GVW, while the latter will offer 88,200 lbs. GCW.

The next generation VNE Electric trucks are available for order now and will begin production in Q2 of this year at Volvo Truck’s manufacturing facility in Dublin, Virginia. 

https://www.volvotrucks.us/trucks/vnr-electric/

https://www.volvotrucks.us/trucks/vnr-electric/

Edited January 16, 2022 by ronwagn
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14 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Right now it's better to trade as dealers are hurting for cars. Check out Springfield Ford dealers, I am sure there is something in your taste. Peoria is too far for ya. 

I traded a 2016 Lariat XLT crew cab with 139,500 miles on it for my new Mustang i got in August. Took 4 month to build it. I paid in 16 62k for that f-250 crew, they gave me 40,200. So 5 years and paid 10k differance. Plus good ol' Illinois tax lol.

Thanks for the info. Your deal was incredible. My understanding is that you get a better tax deal by trading. You only are taxed on the difference between the old and newer vehicle. 

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

Thanks for the info. Your deal was incredible. My understanding is that you get a better tax deal by trading. You only are taxed on the difference between the old and newer vehicle. 

Correct    So the 2019 Chevy I traded was gross 25,450 difference with little of 2k in taxes..

Edited January 16, 2022 by Old-Ruffneck

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@ronwagn  you are correct. Cannot get hybrid in All Wheel Drive..  I bet in near future they will produce.

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21 minutes ago, Wombat One said:

No Jay, until you become one of the numbers you are just a hypocrite?

 I'm reporting the numbers, no hypocrisy in that. I'm in it for the economics.

Hypocrisy is claiming that coal is the great enemy and then voting and supporting governments hell bent on supporting the coal industry.

Edited January 16, 2022 by Jay McKinsey