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On 2/28/2022 at 3:32 AM, notsonice said:

reality $100 oil is a game changer for the EV world. 

not sure if any test has been done on EV battery if

a) it can still be charged at temperature below 5 or 8'C and

b) how bad is the leakage of battery, even though it is not in used, when the temperature is that cold?

Preferential difference might be created by different life experience and perspectives of consideration. No need to impose your preference, or no?

On 2/28/2022 at 11:44 AM, notsonice said:

sorry to here you are not doing so well, wait a few years and you will be able to buy a used hybrid. PS an Ev needs .3 kwh of electricity per mile. That is 2.4 cents per mile in your neck of the woods. A ICE at 20 mpg costs you 19 cents per mile for gas at 3.78. If you are driving 12,000 (35 miles a day) a hybrid is a no brainer.

not so nice to the old ............ next time, check again if you have understood correctly.......

by "can not justify" he might mean " he does not see the need"........... (between ICE and EV).....

heard hybrid has many problems many years ago. Not certain if resolved........

Edited March 2, 2022 by specinho

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Wrong. . Only an imbecile thinks cars last forever. Every year about as many old cars retire from the fleet as new cars are added. Currently 100% of those old cars are ICE. In China and Europe the new cars are 18% EV. Thus the total number of ICE cars is decreasing every year and EVs are increasing.

Further, you said "And the output and usage of fossil fuel vehicles keeps skyrocketing beyond belief....!!" The annual output of used cars is exactly the same as the annual output  new cars. The annual output of new ICE cars is decreasing rapidly as EVs increase.

not if you have one.....

A car produced before milenium can last for more than 35 years. Its engine runs better than most new cars, with low maintenance car parts. A person purchased it at his mid twenty. This might mean his car is used until he retired. Would this be justified " a life  time" or expression "last forever"?

Some countries, particularly those with small land sizes and with policies not popular to own a car (public transport is made available cheaply and conveniently), they  limit the age of cars to avoid possible breakdown on busy roads. But also, to increase repeat sales from those who can afford. This might not justify the real lifespan of the cars.

New cars produced few years after that, according to a car mechanic, rarely last more than 3 to 5 years.

Is there a need to go back to the old business ethics?

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2 hours ago, specinho said:

not sure if any test has been done on EV battery if

a) it can still be charged at temperature below 5 or 8'C and

b) how bad is the leakage of battery, even though it is not in used, when the temperature is that cold?

I have a hybrid

Yes you can charge in 5 deg C no problem, -5 deg C if you want.

I tend to get 2/3 of the mileage I would get in the summer though.

I dont get any perceivable loss of charge if left standing for a few days in those temperatures.

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Wrong. Only an imbecile thinks cars last forever. Every year about as many old cars retire from the fleet as new cars are added. Currently 100% of those old cars are ICE. In China and Europe the new cars are 18% EV. Thus the total number of ICE cars is decreasing every year and EVs are increasing.

Further, you said "And the output and usage of fossil fuel vehicles keeps skyrocketing beyond belief....!!" The annual output of used cars is exactly the same as the annual output of new cars. The annual output of new ICE cars is decreasing rapidly as EVs increase.

Your numbers are wrong again, Jay. New car sales of 18% EV means that 82% new vehicles are ICE, meaning that additions of the new cars are more than five times ICE over EV.  Add in the used vehicle markets which are overwhelmingly, almost exclusively ICE and the sales of vehicles for EV is less than 5%. 

You really did fail to take any econometrics, old boy. You could not get a regular economics degree without taking econometrics. 

Edited March 2, 2022 by Ecocharger

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Corporate responsibility begins with the oil industry.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/ExxonMobil-Quits-Russia.html

“ExxonMobil supports the people of Ukraine as they seek to defend their freedom and determine their own future as a nation. We deplore Russia’s military action that violates the territorial integrity of Ukraine and endangers its people,” the company said in a news release.

“We are deeply saddened by the loss of innocent lives and support the strong international response. We are fully complying with all sanctions,” Exxon also said.

The company noted that it would not be making new investments in Russia, either, and added that the process of discontinuing operations would be coordinated with its co-owners in the consortium.

The Sakhalin-1 project is managed by Exxon on behalf of its partners in the consortium, which include Japanese Sodeco, India’s ONGC Videsh, and Russia’s Rosneft.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Exxon’s pullout will be a challenging task. It would need to ensure at least critical staff is present at the project site to ensure the safe shut-down of production. What’s more, if it tries to sell its 30-percent in the project, it may have to look hard for buyers as the market for Russian assets has been squeezed overnight by sanctions.

Exxon has complied with previous sanctions on Russia, too, but they did not affect the Sakhalin-1 project. In the past two decades, the field has exported over 1 billion barrels of crude, according to the WSJ, and some 1 billion cu ft of natural gas.

Besides BP and Shell, Norway’s Equinor has also begun to wind down its business in Russia, and French TotalEnergies has announced it will not make new investments in the country, although the energy major stopped short of announcing a full exit."

Edited March 2, 2022 by Ecocharger

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14 hours ago, notsonice said:

77 degrees ???? maybe in Texas where people have so much gas that they can flare it. 70 - 72  is the norm ...even in homes of older folks...Unless you think when it is 40 degrees outside it is very cold out

I do actually think that counts as 'very cold' and I wasn't exaggerating about older folks.  ask a plumber or electrician what the temperatures are like when they get service calls in older people's homes.  'Stifling' and 'sauna' are common descriptions.  In the summer time they often set the air conditioning somewhere in the high 70's or even 80 to save electricity, and between being accustomed to that most of the year and being old (suceptible to cold) they usually set the heat to similar level in the winter.  Heating is close to free around here if it's from natural gas, which if course it always is.  We had near record cold this February and our heating bill (and hot water, and cooking fuel) was $110 for a 3,000 square ft (280 ^m) and people were on neighborhood websites were raging about the gas company gouging them.  After subtracting the baseline gas usage for hot water and cooking the total annual heating bill for most people is around $150 in total. Air conditioning for a year on the other hand can easily run to $2,000 or more.  

Edited March 2, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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7 hours ago, specinho said:

not if you have one.....

A car produced before milenium can last for more than 35 years. Its engine runs better than most new cars, with low maintenance car parts. A person purchased it at his mid twenty. This might mean his car is used until he retired. Would this be justified " a life  time" or expression "last forever"?

Some countries, particularly those with small land sizes and with policies not popular to own a car (public transport is made available cheaply and conveniently), they  limit the age of cars to avoid possible breakdown on busy roads. But also, to increase repeat sales from those who can afford. This might not justify the real lifespan of the cars.

New cars produced few years after that, according to a car mechanic, rarely last more than 3 to 5 years.

Is there a need to go back to the old business ethics?

 

 

A car produced before milenium can last for more than 35 years????

sure if you never drive it....Reality a ICE car lasts for about 12 years or about 200,000 miles

in 2040 ICE cars will be collector items or cars parked in Grandmas garage or when you see them on the road ....clunkers

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

A car produced before milenium can last for more than 35 years????

sure if you never drive it....Reality a ICE car lasts for about 12 years or about 200,000 miles

in 2040 ICE cars will be collector items or cars parked in Grandmas garage or when you see them on the road ....clunkers

Remember that the average age of cars at 'retirement' is 12 years.  That means that, on average, a fair number of 15-20 year old cars are out there.  Granted, most of them are probably under that 200,000 mile marker though. 

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10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Actually yes 40% NG is used in electricity generation, the largest single fuel source see below.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

I agree that heating and cooking are heavily reliant on NG as well in the UK, however from 2023 20% of NG is being replaced by hydrogen which will be mixed into the existing NG network so that will make the UK even less reliant on NG which I dont see reducing in price any time soon.

How will that hydrogen be made?

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Your numbers are wrong again, Jay. New car sales of 18% EV means that 82% new vehicles are ICE, meaning that additions of the new cars are more than five times ICE over EV.  Add in the used vehicle markets which are overwhelmingly, almost exclusively ICE and the sales of vehicles for EV is less than 5%. 

You really did fail to take any econometrics, old boy. You could not get a regular economics degree without taking econometrics. 

You said "And the output and usage of fossil fuel vehicles keeps skyrocketing beyond belief....!!" Yet in 2020 ICE sales were 90% greater than EV and in 2021 they were only 82% greater. That is shrinkage! This year ICE will only be 70% greater and so it goes.

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

How will that hydrogen be made?

How will that hydrogen be made?.....using excess renewable energy and the electrolysis of water

 

Edited March 2, 2022 by notsonice

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-democrats-block-bill-to-approve-keystone-xl-pipeline-promote-american-energy-independence-from-russia_4312298.html

RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR

House Democrats Block Bill to Approve Keystone XL Pipeline, Promote ‘American Energy Independence From Russia’

Matt Gaetz explains why he joined Democrats in opposition

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Who cares what that flake thinks. He certainly doesn't know oil. Russian or any body’s 

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So who buys this Russian oil anyway. Some of the 30% refinery capacity foreigners own? It probably has Trumps finger prints on it. Maybe not. Venezuela? The Saudi? Hell every country and their dog has stock in a foreign refinery in the US. We certainly don’t need Russian oil. But the Republicans have been lying about oil for so many decades it’s just a blur to the average American. Just this big problem. And by god it’s important. critical, important. It’s a big tado about something. They can’t quite put their finger on the problem but they know their representatives freak occasionally about it. We have these security needs you know. Them Dems would circumvent a need and freedom to. And the constitution. Yep, lots of problems with this oil. Lol

Meanwhile, back at the ranch the US is net independent thanks to tech and the frackers. Happened close to a year ago thanks to the huge boom during the Obama years. Oh, yea, the US is net nat gas independent also. That happened over a year ago. That production is done with far less people and can access rock. Once difficult to drain.

Dont let these foreign loving Republicans push out our US producers. They are doing great. You could take out over 5 mbpd of imports and the US would handle consumption. Don’t let anybody blow smoke I’m your a##. Tell those foreigners to refine their own oil and ship it to Europe. We don’t need the pollution.

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https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPC0_IM0_NUS-NRS_MBBLD&f=W

 

This is a 10 year chart of oil from Russia. Not much happening. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Boat

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18 minutes ago, Boat said:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPC0_IM0_NUS-NRS_MBBLD&f=W

Oh that is worth of a graphic 

And for comparison to all US oil imports:

Russian oil imports are about 0.1% of US oil imports.

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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11 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh that is worth of a graphic 

And for comparison to all US oil imports:

Russian oil imports are about 0.1% of US oil imports.

 

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUS2&f=M

 

Find another chart for this. It shows imports every single day that in reality the US doesn't  need for consumption. This is where the pollution comes from that politician's blue and red ignore.

Then the other wild thing that happens. They export a few extra tankers and stocks drop. Then they claim a shortage and prices jump. In the meantime US producers provide all the oil the US needs. A very large rotating scam. Lol It’s just so crazy how open this is yet all so dumb they can’t get it. Amazing. The older I get the more brilliant I seem. It’s a very weird feeling. Are humans capable of being this lost. 

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10 minutes ago, Boat said:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUS2&f=M

 

Find another chart for this. It shows imports every single day that in reality the US doesn't  need for consumption. This is where the pollution comes from that politician's blue and red ignore.

Then the other wild thing that happens. They export a few extra tankers and stocks drop. Then they claim a shortage and prices jump. In the meantime US producers provide all the oil the US needs. A very large rotating scam. Lol It’s just so crazy how open this is yet all so dumb they can’t get it. Amazing. The older I get the more brilliant I seem. It’s a very weird feeling. Are humans capable of being this lost. 

You can zoom the chart by click and drag the area of the line and do a screen grab or download.

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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The point is 8.5 million barrels or in that ball park gets exported every day. Around the same amount gets imported. Let’s say you dropped that amount by 7.5 mbpd. My goodness how the skies would clear. Yes I understand the job loss. But if you want to debate pollution vrs jobs from import/export that’s reasonable. But both parties don’t even want to talk about it period. They blabber on about the XL pipeline but not about refining jobs and x amount of pollution. They say it’s national security. That’s bs. The chart shows 8.5 mbpd of bs. They want a pipeline for more exports. 
You could argue Europe needs the petroleum so please eat the pollution and let your European brothers drive cheaper. At least there would be some sense of honesty. 
I believe a nation ran by truth would work just fine. You shouldn’t have to shoot your way to power for a different set of lies. 

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US and foreign refineries that are called US refineries import, resale, refine mix close to 20 million barrels per day. The US consumes around 12 mbpd. That 8.2 left/my best number, is what is reshipped every day. The XL pipeline would have added 900 thousand barrels a day to that total. If I have the size of the pipeline right. So that’s the US security the Reps lie about. 8.2/in exports vrs 9.1. Whoop de friggen  do. Biden was right to kill the pipeline and needs to kill more tar sand pipelines. About 3 mbpd to go at min. We need to be proud of our oil and our oil producers. Don’t buy into the lies of foreigners who will harm your children and grand parents. Lol 

If Europe needs that oil. Fine. Let them pay for every lung and heart patient on the Gulf Coast. That there is called reasoning. Wokeness. Lol Mexico should be paying a pollution tax for all that natural gas. For the people, not the oligarchs.

Look, I am impressed by Musk. But he pollutes with every rocket. Pay for your mess rocket man.  

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Boat

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14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

How will that hydrogen be made?

Mostly blue and green hydrogen but with some pink hydrogen set to come online too.

The mix of blue hydrogen will decrease over time as more wind comes on line allied with battery storage.

https://www.edie.net/news/8/Hydrogen-blending-ready-for-UK-wide-rollout-next-year--industry-body-announces/

https://www.edie.net/news/11/UK-Hydrogen-Strategy-published--with-Government-targeting--4bn-of-private-investment-by-2030/

The amount of wind power projects in and around the UK is astronomical and set to go through the roof over the next 5-10 years and the UK already has the largest offshore wind farm in the world and that alone is set to treble in size. This will all assist in the production of green hydrogen with electrolysers and hopefully will give us an alternative to our dwindling FF production from the North Sea and Irish Sea.

Its a very ambitious timescale in my opinion but it is coming thats for sure.

Wind made up 33.9% of electricity generation in the UK last month compared to 27.9% of FF production. I wouldnt have thought that possible 18 months ago.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Floating wind projects are also starting after the successful adoption of the Equinor HyWind project and the extension of the London Array into deeper water.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/03/the-worlds-first-floating-wind-farm-is-already-changing-green-energy

https://www.equinor.com/en/what-we-do/hywind-tampen.html

 

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22 hours ago, notsonice said:

A car produced before milenium can last for more than 35 years????

sure if you never drive it....Reality a ICE car lasts for about 12 years or about 200,000 miles

in 2040 ICE cars will be collector items or cars parked in Grandmas garage or when you see them on the road ....clunkers

what could be the limiting factors?

Pardon me if wrong, but if the general idea is not incorrect, we could have a car made of fuel combustion compartment and engine, exhaust channel, cooling system, gearbox system, links to move the tires and car, springs/ absorbers, etc.

low carbon fuel e.g. octane, propane, can be burnt rather cleanly. There was a calculation in a discussion board somewhere, that the efficiency of a still car could reach 89% or more... Possible soot accumulation with other fuel types could probably be cleaned.

links, or rubbery chains, are of low maintenance.

heavy weights might need fortified design on springs.....

cooling system might be affected if the driving technique is improper or roads taken are of many uphills or steep slopes... Under normal city roadways, hills are normally leveled, no? On average, let's assume it will work fine without being overheated on normal drive ways, on common working distance within an hour of drive.  Occasional long distance driving might be regarded as alright......

It would be natural to have wear and tear. But what could be broken down until the car rendered not suitable to be driven any more shall the quality of replacement parts remain unchanged?

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2 hours ago, specinho said:

what could be the limiting factors?

Pardon me if wrong, but if the general idea is not incorrect, we could have a car made of fuel combustion compartment and engine, exhaust channel, cooling system, gearbox system, links to move the tires and car, springs/ absorbers, etc.

low carbon fuel e.g. octane, propane, can be burnt rather cleanly. There was a calculation in a discussion board somewhere, that the efficiency of a still car could reach 89% or more... Possible soot accumulation with other fuel types could probably be cleaned.

links, or rubbery chains, are of low maintenance.

heavy weights might need fortified design on springs.....

cooling system might be affected if the driving technique is improper or roads taken are of many uphills or steep slopes... Under normal city roadways, hills are normally leveled, no? On average, let's assume it will work fine without being overheated on normal drive ways, on common working distance within an hour of drive.  Occasional long distance driving might be regarded as alright......

It would be natural to have wear and tear. But what could be broken down until the car rendered not suitable to be driven any more shall the quality of replacement parts remain unchanged?

It's all about the COST of the replacement parts, and most critically the LABOR of installing them.  Things like engine blocks, and transmissions can fail.  body frames can bend - these things are technically repairable, but they are extremely expensive in terms of labor to work on.  Then there are the 1,000 things made of plastic, or thin metal which will eventually wear out.  Individually they aren't very expensive.  But lets look at your 15 year old car.  There are are 500 of those little things that are going out that cost $5 each (headliner clips, radio buttons, door switches, fuse box trays, the hood latch, etc.  , that's $2,500  AND you need a new transmission which is going to cost $10,000 in parts and labor to replace, AND the mechanics are telling you that you going to need a new head gasket soon for $3,000 AND the heater core is cracked and it's going to be $1,500 to install, then guess what - the value of your car is zero.  Throw it out, and start over, because the car is worthless. 

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3 hours ago, specinho said:

the efficiency of a still car could reach 89% or more... 

 

Preposterous.