TailingsPond + 874 GE 14 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Not necessary, you have already been provided with it. Read the analysis of genuine market analysts. Tesla is suffering from declines in earnings and reduction in sales. You chicken, put up 1, 2, 3 months Tesla price predictions. Tesla's is not suffering - your refusal to look at the massive profits is sad. Edited 12 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 13 hours ago (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: How much have you bought into Tesla stock? Nothing? Thought so. Musk is now stuck with this loser which he bought earlier and cannot unload. Brilliant. My portfolio contains Tesla stock. Musk is stuck with his trillions of dollars. Did you miss the part where he could buy both Ford and Exxon and have lots of cash left? He personally has 300 billion. Edited 13 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 13 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: My portfolio contains Tesla stock. Musk is stuck with his trillions of dollars. Did you miss the part where he could buy both Ford and Exxon mobile and have lots of cash left? He personally has 300 billion. What does that have to do with the company known as Tesla? How much of Tesla does Musk personally own? https://www.techopedia.com/largest-tesla-shareholders#:~:text=Key Takeaways,representing 7.43% of Tesla ownership. "Elon Musk is the largest individual Tesla shareholder with 715.022 million shares, representing 22.3 % of Tesla ownership." Edited 13 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 13 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: You chicken, put up 1, 2 3 months Tesla price predictions. Tesla's is not suffering - your refusal to look at the massive profits is sad. Profits are way down..... Tesla is suffering from declines in earnings and reduction in sales. https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-a-buy-or-a-sell-elon-musk-donald-trump/#:~:text=Wall Street consensus also has,decline vs. %243.12 in 2023. "Wall Street consensus also has 2024 Tesla earnings firmly below last year's level. That signals another year of earnings declines for this growth stock. Analysts currently expect Tesla earnings per share of just $2.42 in 2024, according to FactSet. That would be about a 22% decline vs. $3.12 in 2023." "U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O), sold 68,280 China-made electric vehicles in October, down 5.3% from a year earlier, data from the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) showed on Monday. Deliveries of China-made Model 3 and Model Y vehicles fell 22.7 % from the previous month." Musk is now stuck with this loser which he bought earlier and cannot unload. Brilliant hunch. https://www.wsj.com/tech/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-is-now-the-worst-buyout-for-banks-since-the-financial-crisis-3f4272cb "Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover Is Now the Worst Buyout for Banks Since the Financial Crisis Loans of around $13 billion have remained ‘hung’ for nearly two years, bringing in interest payments but weighing on banks’ balance sheets" https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/26/twitter-usage-in-us-fallen-by-a-fifth-since-elon-musks-takeover#:~:text=As of February 2024%2C the,X's drop in user numbers. "As of February 2024, the social network’s daily app users in America had fallen by 23% since November 2022, just after Musk completed his takeover." Edited 13 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago 51 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Profits are way down..... Earnings might be down, company profits are way up - there is a difference, you should understand that. You really are more suited to selling cars on the lot where monthly sales numbers matter, not a CFO who understands how corporate profits work. Put in your 1,2,3 month Tesla stock predictions Mr economist! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover Try to stay on topic of green energy. Musk is not suffering. Tesla is not suffering. You are trying to imagine some scenario where Musk is not one of the richest people on earth and Tesla doesn't have a larger market cap than pretty much all your old school car companies combined. Ford 44b, GM 63b, Exxon 530b; add that up - Tesla is more than all three combined. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 12 hours ago On 11/13/2024 at 10:48 PM, TailingsPond said: Lets check the morning market news: Tesla already up another 4%. WTI already down another 1%. You guys should look at the markets occasionally before you spout off. In other interesting news Russia is posting naked pictures of Trump's wife on state media. Perfect campaign on their part, get him elected and then smear him for control and to sow distrust in the American population. Also there are reports of several phone calls between Putin and Musk. If not mistaken, it was the daughter who had posted naked for playboy or a calendar ages ago... Russia?? May be not... Just a trick trying to stir up conflict, may be. Few days ago, someone profiled as "white house lead of communication engineers, managing project worth billions" posted a comment on something written by a said trusted source of financial analyst, Gideon, on LinkedIn. He said (roughly):" Soldiers of North Korea found checking on porn sites in Russia... From limited internet access in North Korea to opened to be used in Russia, ( how they handle behavioral change or something, don't quite recall)..." A few believed the news was fabricated. And those who can monitor the activity usually would not disclose info like this. One replied:" Is this from perspective of people who might have skipped military training? ( This reader went on commenting on how exhausting training could be. Soldiers usually have no time for other things except strict training routine. In addition, they might not be allowed to use phone worrying location, setting being accidentally disclosed or some sort... Linkedin account of the commentor is blocked after this...) Such a free financial analyst to monitor porn sites activities like who is checking..... Could be these duo too who released naked photo of ...... and blamed it on Russia... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 12 hours ago (edited) 37 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Earnings might be down, company profits are way up - there is a difference, you should understand that. You really are more suited to selling cars on the lot where monthly sales numbers matter, not a CFO who understands how corporate profits work. Put in your 1,2,3 month Tesla stock predictions Mr economist! You are still confused. What does Musk's personal wealth have to do with Tesla? How much of Tesla does Musk personally own? https://www.techopedia.com/largest-tesla-shareholders#:~:text=Key Takeaways,representing 7.43% of Tesla ownership. "Elon Musk is the largest individual Tesla shareholder with 715.022 million shares, representing 22.3 % of Tesla ownership." Sorry, that requires a major update. "Musk currently has a nearly 13% stake in Tesla. Prior to selling TSLA shares to purchase Twitter, now X, for $44 billion in late 2022, Musk owned around 22% of Tesla." Edited 12 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You are still confused. What does Musk's personal wealth have to do with Tesla? How much of Tesla does Musk personally own? That doesn't really matter for this question. I was comparing market cap of the three companies. Musk's personal wealth is irrelevant. Remember, you were the one who brought up Musk's other ventures (twitter) - not me. Try to stay on topic. Predict Tesla shares price at 1,2,3 months from now. Why not? Or at least explain their massive increase in valuation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 12 hours ago (edited) 21 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: That doesn't really matter for this question. I was comparing market cap of the three companies. Musk's personal wealth is irrelevant. Remember, you were the one who brought up Musk's other ventures (twitter) - not me. Try to stay on topic. Predict Tesla shares price at 1,2,3 months from now. Why not? Or at least explain their massive increase in valuation. Of course it matters if Musk only owns 13% of Tesla, the rest held by others. His personal wealth is not into this company in a big way. It does not look great for EV companies with government support apparently coming off and being extinguished, so Tesla will take a hit from that. https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-a-buy-or-a-sell-elon-musk-donald-trump/ "TSLA [Tesla] shares fell on Nov. 14 amid reports the president-elect's transition team plans to discontinue the $7,500 EV consumer tax credit. TSLA stock dropped 5.8% to 311.18 during market trade Thursday after Reuters reported Trump's transition team wants to do away [with] the Inflation Reduction Act, IRA, EV tax credit. Chief Executive Elon Musk has already endorsed the idea of cutting the tax credit, echoing the belief that Tesla can thrive without it." Edited 12 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 12 hours ago On 11/13/2024 at 10:56 PM, TailingsPond said: The only way Vance becomes president is if Trump dies. Trump will be able to pardon himself if required. It is on record that Elon gave Trump $75,000,000. It is on record Elon will be put in some form of power. Elon is appointed advisor on efficiency with another guy. That 75 millions could be prepaid salary for both or for one. For example: a) Elon alone: 1.5 m / month over 5 years = 75m b) two person: Elon 1 mil/ month; another guy (don't know whose son from india?) 500k/ month = 75m On 11/13/2024 at 11:01 PM, TailingsPond said: Tesla is a publicly traded company. Their financial records are under scrutiny. The Tesla profits are in no way fake. You do not need to make a product to make real money. Facebook operated at a loss for years, makes no tangible product at all other than advertising and selling your data and yet had huge valuation because they had investor confidence. Venture capitalism baby. Not sure if investors and share holders receive dividend every now and then? They can only receive if the company makes enough money to pay. With negative cash flow like facebook and 2.7m cash flow of tesla per annum, how much a share holder receives per quarter or per year? Are you one of the share holders and receiving your dividend?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Of course it matters if Musk only owns 22% of Tesla, the rest held by others. His personal wealth is not into this company in a big way. Why dodge the question at hand? Predict Tesla share price 1,2,3 months from now. Actual economists do that for a living, but you can't. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 12 hours ago (edited) Trouble ahead, apparently. I guess you just do not want to discuss it. https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-futures-tesla-skids-trump-ev-threat-palantir-nasdaq-listing/ "Tesla stock fell 5.8% to 311.18 on Thursday, now down 13.2% from Monday's two-year high of 358.64. But that follows last week's mammoth 29% gain. " Of course it matters if Musk only owns 13% of Tesla, the rest held by others. His personal wealth is not into this company in a big way. It does not look great for EV companies with government support apparently coming off and being extinguished, so Tesla will take a hit from that. https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-a-buy-or-a-sell-elon-musk-donald-trump/ "TSLA [Tesla] shares fell on Nov. 14 amid reports the president-elect's transition team plans to discontinue the $7,500 EV consumer tax credit. TSLA stock dropped 5.8% to 311.18 during market trade Thursday after Reuters reported Trump's transition team wants to do away [with] the Inflation Reduction Act, IRA, EV tax credit. Chief Executive Elon Musk has already endorsed the idea of cutting the tax credit, echoing the belief that Tesla can thrive without it." Edited 12 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago Just now, specinho said: Elon is appointed advisor on efficiency with another guy. That 75 millions could be prepaid salary for both or for one. For example: a) Elon alone: 1.5 m / month over 5 years = 75m b) two person: Elon 1 mil/ month; another guy (don't know whose son from india?) 500k/ month = 75m Not sure if investors and share holders receive dividend every now and then? They can only receive if the company makes enough money to pay. With negative cash flow like facebook and 2.7m cash flow of tesla per annum, how much a share holder receives per quarter or per year? Are you one of the share holders and receiving your dividend?? First campaign contributions do not go into government financial revenue. So no, his contribution did not prepay his potential salary. More importantly you should understand Musk has no need for a salary - that is not his motivation. You can look up Tesla dividends, or I can tell you it is zero. You make money by the increase in share price. I have a sizable amount of money in a medium aggressive mutual fund that has Tesla in the fund - it is doing Very Well. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 12 hours ago (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: But that follows last week's mammoth 29% gain. " Profit taking. Totally normal after a massive surge. Show me a oil company that surged 29% in one week, not year, week. Edited 12 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 12 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Why dodge the question at hand? Predict Tesla share price 1,2,3 months from now. Actual economists do that for a living, but you can't. Actual economists do not do that, I guess you never studied economics. Courses in the stock market taught by economists were never offered in any of the universities where I took economics courses. You are thinking of a business degree. Lots of people are confused about the difference between business degrees and economics degrees. Edited 12 hours ago by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL 12 hours ago 7 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Profit taking. Totally normal after a massive surge. Show me a oil company that surged 29% in one week, not year, week. Prompted by the removal of government support. That will not change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 11 hours ago (edited) 52 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: First campaign contributions do not go into government financial revenue. So no, his contribution did not prepay his potential salary. More importantly you should understand Musk has no need for a salary - that is not his motivation. You can look up Tesla dividends, or I can tell you it is zero. You make money by the increase in share price. I have a sizable amount of money in a medium aggressive mutual fund that has Tesla in the fund - it is doing Very Well. The appointment is a private matter, not under government pay, nor needs parliament approval. Thought Ron Paul was Elon approaching. A doctor by training, making sensible comments when others are flowing with crowd or bought off. His advice, although still has room for improvement, would be good to have. In the old days, shares in my country used to be out of kind intention of the pioneer generation to share wealth. Later, it becomes racial tool to help one particular race only out of poverty, without effort put in, using multi streams of government revenue. Modern market is full of young cheaters. They are there i) offering their shares to be purchased, ii) getting cash money from people learning to buy shares online iii) scraping off millions & billions of cash, iv) leaving one stranded with numbers in online account which could be removed when the web is shut down... This was a revival of an old technique used in the 80s, called " buy nothing, sell nothing". Many fallen into the scamming scheme out of trust on the well known leader. My father included... Invest no more money into it. Or get to know Elon personally. He might be paying you on personal pockets shall you are starving... Edited 11 hours ago by specinho 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 4 hours ago 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: That will not change. That is almost a prediction, but will be wrong in like an hour. You refuse to put up any actual predictions, because you have no conviction in your own so called "analysis." Put up 1, 2, 3 month prediction from close on the 14th. Simple for somone so educated such as yourself. Or do you want to defer to your expert Irina Slav who also writes crap about how down is up and up is down. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Jumps-on-Fuel-Inventory-Draws.html You can't use your own words, predict markets, or make money. You brag about your education a lot but it seems pretty useless. Maybe you should have got a business degree? You would think an economist would understand business because well that makes a very large portion of the economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 4 hours ago (edited) 7 hours ago, specinho said: Invest no more money into it. Or get to know Elon personally. He might be paying you on personal pockets shall you are starving... There is nothing evil about making money from most investments. Tesla is considered an ethical investment. I will never be starving. I have money and we literally have a ranch in the family; I also grow my own garden. Edited 4 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 3 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Prompted by the removal of government support. That will not change. "Actual economists do not do that, I guess you never studied economics." You are self inconsistent. Literally your very next post you did something you claim economists don't do. Edited 3 hours ago by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 1 hour ago 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said: TSLA stock dropped 5.8% to 311.18 during market trade Thursday Oh look it is already up to $316.35. Meanwhile oil falls some more. WTI down to less than $68. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE 1 hour ago 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Prompted by the removal of government support. That will not change. Already wrong, fancy that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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