GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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13 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The number of used vehicles bought and sold is a useless metric. 

Again, you betray your lack of an economics background. The used vehicle market is three times the size of the new vehicle market, and competes directly in the same marketplace for consumers' transportation dollars.

EVs are well below 1% of vehicle market sales.

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Oil prices have nowhere to go but up.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russias-Oil-Output-Is-Plummeting-And-It-May-Never-Recover.html

"Russia’s oil output is plummeting, and the decline is expected to worsen in May.

OPEC recently warned that markets could see the loss of more than 7 million barrels per day of Russian oil and other liquids exports.

With many global producers constrained in their capacity to boost production fast, oil prices are likely to remain elevated for the foreseeable future."

Edited May 5, 2022 by Ecocharger

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, we know you aren't smart enough to actually project a trend into the future and take preventative action. 

• Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
• In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.
• The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015. 
• In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
• If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.
• On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150. 

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level#:~:text=In 2020%2C global sea level,per year from 2006–2015.

 

Oh and do you have any actual proof that Obama's house is not electrically efficient or are you just spewing out your arse as usual?

The most realistic preparation is to stop allowing people to build near threatened coastlines and to plan for the future rather than pretend that we have enough money to prevent the changes if they come. Everyone has known about these very slow projected changes and have been spouting alarmism since Al Gore and many since. HIs projections have already been disproven because they were always wrong as have all the other alarmist prognostications.

Regarding Obama's home,  it is obvious to anyone that it is in danger of potential storms and sea level rise. I didn't say anything about his electrical use but a house that huge would automatically use way more energy than would be normal. I don't wee any solar panels or wind turbines on his property. Maybe he has hidden surf turbines. 

Please demonstrate how wind turbines and solar panels will proliferate all around Asia, Africa, and South America quickly enough to meet alarmist demands. The fact is it will be a very long time and you are prone to spewing alarmist nonsense. 

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Yet people continue to move southwest to areas that are warmer. Get a clue. Maybe they know more than NOAA. 

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1 minute ago, Ron Wagner said:

The most realistic preparation is to stop allowing people to build near threatened coastlines and to plan for the future rather than pretend that we have enough money to prevent the changes if they come. Everyone has known about these very slow projected changes and have been spouting alarmism since Al Gore and many since. HIs projections have already been disproven because they were always wrong as have all the other alarmist prognostications.

Regarding Obama's home,  it is obvious to anyone that it is in danger of potential storms and sea level rise. I didn't say anything about his electrical use but a house that huge would automatically use way more energy than would be normal. I don't wee any solar panels or wind turbines on his property. Maybe he has hidden surf turbines. 

Please demonstrate how wind turbines and solar panels will proliferate all around Asia, Africa, and South America quickly enough to meet alarmist demands. The fact is it will be a very long time and you are prone to spewing alarmist nonsense. 

So you are happy to just give up alot of our limited supply of land and don't care about what your great grandchildren have to deal with. Probably because you believe in an invisible space alien to take care of it for you. Gotcha. 

We may not succeed with wind and solar but we have a chance if we all support the effort. It is just an issue of investment and manufacturing. If we can invest in and build FF power plants then we can invest in and build solar and wind instead. Off shore wind in particular is going to slam FF power in the face. In ten years almost every new car on the planet will be electric.

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4 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Yet people continue to move southwest to areas that are warmer. Get a clue. Maybe they know more than NOAA. 

Or maybe they have a technological marvel called air conditioning. 

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31 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, you betray your lack of an economics background. The used vehicle market is three times the size of the new vehicle market, and competes directly in the same marketplace for consumers' transportation dollars.

EVs are well below 1% of vehicle market sales.

What is relevant are how many EVs are registered in the total fleet. Which is now 2.5% in California. It is irrelevant how many used cars are bought and sold because that does not change the total number. 

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5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Or maybe they have a technological marvel called air conditioning. 

That is my line. They are also heading to less far left states. That is another factor. High tax left wing states are not attractive to those still making a living and building a future. I doubt any of them are fleeing the coastlines because of global warming. 

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14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So you are happy to just give up alot of our limited supply of land and don't care about what your great grandchildren have to deal with. Probably because you believe in an invisible space alien to take care of it for you. Gotcha. 

We may not succeed with wind and solar but we have a chance if we all support the effort. It is just an issue of investment and manufacturing. If we can invest in and build FF power plants then we can invest in and build solar and wind instead. Off shore wind in particular is going to slam FF power in the face. In ten years almost every new car on the planet will be electric.

I have a more economical car that is an ICE. It is a 3 cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage. Far more economical. Show me a small car for under $15,000 that will cost less in price and fuel over its lifetime. 

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2 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

That is my line. They are also heading to less far left states. That is another factor. High tax left wing states are not attractive to those still making a living and building a future. I doubt any of them are fleeing the coastlines because of global warming. 

As you refuse to understand, rising ocean levels are not yet a serious problem, they will be in the not too distant future though if we don't curb greenhouse gas emissions. When rising ocean levels are a problem it will be too late to stop it.

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Oil prices have nowhere to go but up.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russias-Oil-Output-Is-Plummeting-And-It-May-Never-Recover.html

"Russia’s oil output is plummeting, and the decline is expected to worsen in May.

OPEC recently warned that markets could see the loss of more than 7 million barrels per day of Russian oil and other liquids exports.

With many global producers constrained in their capacity to boost production fast, oil prices are likely to remain elevated for the foreseeable future."

Oil prices have nowhere to go but up.????

you keep making a great case to buy an EV........

Keep up the good work

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6 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

I have a more economical car that is an ICE. It is a 3 cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage. Far more economical. Show me a small car for under $15,000 that will cost less in price and fuel over its lifetime. 

if everyone drove a 3 cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage...Oil production/consumption would be down by 50 percent in the US.

Keep up the good work on promoting super fuel efficient vehicles ....

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

As you refuse to understand, rising ocean levels are not yet a serious problem, they will be in the not too distant future though if we don't curb greenhouse gas emissions. When rising ocean levels are a problem it will be too late to stop it.

Your far too smart for us dummies in this forum, maybe go find another forum to match yer intellect, and take notsonice with ya.

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17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So you are happy to just give up alot of our limited supply of land and don't care about what your great grandchildren have to deal with. Probably because you believe in an invisible space alien to take care of it for you. Gotcha. 

We may not succeed with wind and solar but we have a chance if we all support the effort. It is just an issue of investment and manufacturing. If we can invest in and build FF power plants then we can invest in and build solar and wind instead. Off shore wind in particular is going to slam FF power in the face. In ten years almost every new car on the planet will be electric.

"We" are not supporting the alarmist nonsense....China and the world are increasing coal production and usage. Oil consumption and production will continue to increase going forward. Oil prices remain bullish and will continue to rise.

In other words, fossil fuels will continue to provide 85% of the world energy supply going forward.

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10 hours ago, notsonice said:

if everyone drove a 3 cylinder Mitsubishi Mirage...Oil production/consumption would be down by 50 percent in the US.

Keep up the good work on promoting super fuel efficient vehicles ....

Stop putting fossil fuels into your gas tank, notsonice, that would be a good start. 

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Oil prices remain bullish going forward, despite high prices.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/JPMorgan-Slashes-Demand-Outlook-Amid-Soaring-Oil-Prices.html

"JP Morgan revised its forecast for oil demand this year down by 1 million barrels daily, citing high oil prices.

Per a report by Reuters, the bank meanwhile left unchanged its price forecast for Brent crude at $114 per barrel during the current quarter, and $104 per barrel for the year.

However, if another million barrels daily disappear from global supply, the bank added, Brent crude could add another $18 to $35 per barrel above its price target.

BP’s CEO Bernard Looney said earlier this week Russia had already lost 1 million bpd in output and could lose another one this month."

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As pointed out by this member previously, the SPR draw down must be replaced by law, and already Biden & Co. are replenishing the SPR inventories with purchases. This is just shuffling barrels from one inventory into another inventory, with no net change in oil production. That produces zero impact on oil prices.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Oil-Prices-Top-111-As-Bidens-SPR-Buyback-Plan-Leaks.html

"The Biden Administration will purchase 60 million barrels of crude in Q3.

CNN: Delivery of those first 60 million barrels would be paid for with revenue received from sales of emergency oil."

Edited May 5, 2022 by Ecocharger

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21 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

 

Hysterical nonsense. Keep your eye on current temperature change, Jay. See what happens.

It keeps going up:

last modified 2022/04/14, now with GHCN v4 and ERSST v5

Detail since 2015 including the first 3.5 months of 2022. Note that upturn since the end of last year:

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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On 4/26/2021 at 2:52 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

 Funded by Elon Musk and the Musk Foundation, this $100M competition is the largest incentive prize in history, an extraordinary milestone.‎

This four-year global competition invites innovators and teams from anywhere on the planet to create and demonstrate solutions that can pull carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere or oceans, and sequester it durably and sustainably. To win the grand prize, teams must demonstrate a working solution at a scale of at least 1000 tonnes removed per year; model their costs at a scale of 1 million tonnes per year; and show a pathway to achieving a scale of gigatonnes per year in future.

This four-year global competition invites innovators and teams from anywhere on the planet to create and demonstrate solutions that can pull carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere or oceans, and sequester it durably and sustainably. To win the grand prize, teams must demonstrate a working solution at a scale of at least 1000 tonnes removed per year; model their costs at a scale of 1 million tonnes per year; and show a pathway to achieving a scale of gigatonnes per year in future.

https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk

And why would anyone be interested in extracting CO2 from the atmosphere or oceans, Jay? That is not necessary, CO2 levels are negatively correlated with earth temperature, so if you think that global warming is a problem, you should be advocating for the production of more CO2, not less.

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

It keeps going up:

last modified 2022/04/14, now with GHCN v4 and ERSST v5

Detail since 2015 including the first 3.5 months of 2022. Note that upturn since the end of last year:

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/

 

 

 

The new research has predicted a cooling trend beginning in late 2020. Your data set runs out of room well before that, Jay. It looks like about 2015 on your chart.

Yes, it is out of date, no mean established. 

The recent gyrations do not look to be setting a trend yet, the minima and the maxima are in straight lines. That does not look good for you.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Ecocharger

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The new research has predicted a cooling trend beginning in late 2020. Your data set runs out of room well before that, Jay. It looks like about 2015 on your chart.

Yes, it is out of date, no mean established. 

The recent gyrations do not look to be setting a trend yet, the minima and the maxima are in straight lines. That does not look good for you.

The data set runs until 2022/04/14 which was 3 weeks ago.

The "recent gyrations" of which you speak are 2015 to 2022. Those temps are all above the 11 year average and best fit line set by the previous 45 years so the mean is higher.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The data set runs until 2022/04/14 which was 3 weeks ago.

The "recent gyrations" of which you speak are 2015 to 2022. Those temps are all above the 11 year average and best fit line set by the previous 45 years so the mean is higher.

Those recent gyrations are not trending in your direction. Look again.

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19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Those recent gyrations are not trending in your direction. Look again.

They are all at or above the 45 year average and best fit line. They certainly are trending up.

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On 5/4/2022 at 9:27 PM, Ecocharger said:

Again, you betray your lack of an economics background. The used vehicle market is three times the size of the new vehicle market, and competes directly in the same marketplace for consumers' transportation dollars.

EVs are well below 1% of vehicle market sales.

You and your numbers, lol. So how many new cars are sold every year? That number times three seems a bit short of the total. How about that Mongolian coal? Is it in China yet? Can I buy a piece?

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20 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Your far too smart for us dummies in this forum, maybe go find another forum to match yer intellect, and take notsonice with ya.

What you do not like Jay or me????? We are here for the long haul. HA HA HA enjoy 

Edited May 6, 2022 by notsonice