GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

This is of course another of your lies. Our net imports remain far lower than they did for the first 3 years of Trump. Only during the pandemic year were they better.

Oil imports from Saudi Arabia are lower than any of Trump's 4 years:

Nope, the trend is for OPEC to supply the shortages forced on North American oil companies by the whining green activists and their accomplices in the liberal-dominated governments in North America.

These are great days for OPEC,

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/OPEC-Could-Win-Big-As-Supermajors-Fend-Off-Environmentalists.html

Edited June 1, 2021 by Ecocharger

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Allowing China to continue to use fossil fuels gives them an enormous advantage over that of free nations which are naive enough to follow IEA type guidelines, United Nations guidelines, Paris Accord guidelines etc. The free world is being conned into making disastrous steps that will destroy their competitiveness worldwide. They are idiots living in a fantasy world of communist propaganda and leftist illusions. 

Truer words were never spoken. This is where we are heading and why.

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

So why are China, India, and others suffering from horrible polluted air?

My topic on Worldwide Air Pollution: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwglGIAHP9lCTGgmUxz7sD5l1qUQqN3o0IwwXsqAb1U/edit

 

Because they still have inherited generations of outdated coal-burning technology, which need to be replaced by the new technology. That does not happen overnight in China or India. It can happen faster in North America.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Coming down the pike are electric vehicles that do not run on middle eastern oil. 

Not anytime in the foreseeable future.

https://motor-junkie.com/20-reasons-electric-cars-arent-taking-over-just-yet/48376/?fbclid=IwAR0aJ9LCxc8_5m6BgrJbKaMIR3RnwpImwDkAx0TU8W8XI11be62XL4YCYiU

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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Not anytime in the foreseeable future.

https://motor-junkie.com/20-reasons-electric-cars-arent-taking-over-just-yet/48376/?fbclid=IwAR0aJ9LCxc8_5m6BgrJbKaMIR3RnwpImwDkAx0TU8W8XI11be62XL4YCYiU

In the auto industry itself this EV marketing craze is known as the Flash In The Pan effect. Already things are cooling off.

Of course, the worst possibility is that there’s low US demand and this is where we are on the demand side after an initial surge in interest from a niche group of buyers. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/04/ford-mustang-mach-e-sales-trickle-down-january-through-april-sales/

 

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In the auto industry itself this EV marketing craze is known as the Flash In The Pan effect. Already things are cooling off.

Of course, the worst possibility is that there’s low US demand and this is where we are on the demand side after an initial surge in interest from a niche group of buyers. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/04/ford-mustang-mach-e-sales-trickle-down-january-through-april-sales/

 

And of course if you were to provide an honest accounting of that article you would have mentioned the top paragraph and addendum that explains production is currently limited and that the majority are now going to Europe where they are more valuable for meeting regulatory requirements. Here is the first paragraph and link to the addendum:

Update: I have a number of new pieces of info about all of this that I will publish shortly, but the key takeaway is: “We are selling every Mustang Mach-E we can build right now with days-to-turn on dealer lots of just 4 days. We are still building dealer stock on lots and we have many still in transit. We are also trying to satisfy global demand from the same plant at the same time. We are filling all orders globally as fast as we can.” More info can be found here.

 

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

we can make the fastest progress by using our own natural gas in vehicles. Natural gas is the solution, not the problem. Wating it is also a problem.

@ronwagn

Ron did you see the zero emission gas power stations that NET Power are building?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/goodbye-smokestacks-startup-invents-zero-emission-fossil-fuel-power

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063730145

https://www.mcdermott-investors.com/news/press-release-details/2020/McDermott-Awarded-Pre-FEED-for-NET-Power-UK-Project/default.aspx

Proof of concept has been achieved and they are now building stations in Colorado, Illinois and in the UK

Big future in these gas power plants in my opinion and this concept has so many positives economically and environmentally.

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12 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

@ronwagn

Ron did you see the zero emission gas power stations that NET Power are building?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/goodbye-smokestacks-startup-invents-zero-emission-fossil-fuel-power

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063730145

https://www.mcdermott-investors.com/news/press-release-details/2020/McDermott-Awarded-Pre-FEED-for-NET-Power-UK-Project/default.aspx

Proof of concept has been achieved and they are now building stations in Colorado, Illinois and in the UK

Big future in these gas power plants in my opinion and this concept has so many positives economically and environmentally.

But those plants, if successful, will be making electricity for EV's. 

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In the auto industry itself this EV marketing craze is known as the Flash In The Pan effect. Already things are cooling off.

Of course, the worst possibility is that there’s low US demand and this is where we are on the demand side after an initial surge in interest from a niche group of buyers. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/04/ford-mustang-mach-e-sales-trickle-down-january-through-april-sales/

 

The pandemic had a negative affect on EV sales in the US in 2020 (hardly surprising)

However Platts are forecasting pretty steady growth up to circa 7 million EV's on US roads over the next 15 years

https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/podcasts/crude/052521-russia-sanctions-biden-nord-stream-cramer

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But those plants, if successful, will be making electricity for EV's. 

Why just EV's Jay?

Why not for general power consumption?

They are more reliable than renewables, but admittedly it is early days for this tech.

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4 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Why just EV's Jay?

Why not for general power consumption?

They are more reliable than renewables, but admittedly it is early days for this tech.

They will also be making power for general consumption but Ron was talking about natural gas vehicles. Unless it is green gas, NG vehicles ultimately fail the the carbon test and won't survive.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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42 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

The pandemic had a negative affect on EV sales in the US in 2020 (hardly surprising)

However Platts are forecasting pretty steady growth up to circa 7 million EV's on US roads over the next 15 years

https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/podcasts/crude/052521-russia-sanctions-biden-nord-stream-cramer

In 2020, the auto industry in the United States sold approximately 14.5 million light vehicle units. This figure includes retail sales of about 3.4 million autos and more than 11 million light truck units.Feb 5, 2021

Trending sales stats.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199983/us-vehicle-sales-since-1951/#:~:text=In 2020%2C the auto industry,11 million light truck units.

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25 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In 2020, the auto industry in the United States sold approximately 14.5 million light vehicle units. This figure includes retail sales of about 3.4 million autos and more than 11 million light truck units.Feb 5, 2021

Trending sales stats.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199983/us-vehicle-sales-since-1951/#:~:text=In 2020%2C the auto industry,11 million light truck units.

Agreed EWO it also shows a drop in light vehicle sales last year of 15% compared to 2019 levels due to the pandemic no doubt.

EV plug in sales remained flat

https://www.statista.com/topics/4421/the-us-electric-vehicle-industry/

I used your own reference source to compare

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5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In the auto industry itself this EV marketing craze is known as the Flash In The Pan effect. Already things are cooling off.

Of course, the worst possibility is that there’s low US demand and this is where we are on the demand side after an initial surge in interest from a niche group of buyers. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/04/ford-mustang-mach-e-sales-trickle-down-january-through-april-sales/

 

That is one Butt ugly car not worthy of the pony logo!!!! The electric eMach!!!!  I ordered my 5.0 ragtop premium last week.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Old-Ruffneck

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8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Coming down the pike are electric vehicles that do not run on middle eastern oil. 

Your obviously a raging greenie who won’t except the facts and history! Raging liberal Assclown! I sincerely hope you live in the EU so you get the full effect of being a kool aid drinking liberal because “You People “ or wrong more then you right! 
 

Why are you even on this forum? You you read the articles above the comment section or just rage into your liberal left thinking! Your a sheep and at the end of the day they get slaughtered…..

 

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The missing Mach-E went to Norway

Ford Mustang Mach-E noted an impressive 1,384 new registrations (9.8% share in May), immediately jumping to the #11 best-selling model year-to-date.

https://insideevs.com/news/511280/norway-ev-sales-may-2021/

 

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Coming down the pike are electric vehicles that do not run on middle eastern oil. 

Possibly, if Democrats stay in power. But natural gas may win out as motor fuel for large vehicles of all types. The voters will have their say, and they like ICE's. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Natural-Gas-Production-Poised-To-Soar.html

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But those plants, if successful, will be making electricity for EV's. 

I would 100% back that concept and think it makes a hell of a lot more sense than hydrogen. Also more sense than earth injected C02. I will be rooting for it. Thanks for sharing! I think electric will be fine for autos but not for large vehicles. It will take a long time for them to ever catch up to gasoline or diesel though. 

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8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And of course if you were to provide an honest accounting of that article you would have mentioned the top paragraph and addendum that explains production is currently limited and that the majority are now going to Europe where they are more valuable for meeting regulatory requirements. Here is the first paragraph and link to the addendum:

Update: I have a number of new pieces of info about all of this that I will publish shortly, but the key takeaway is: “We are selling every Mustang Mach-E we can build right now with days-to-turn on dealer lots of just 4 days. We are still building dealer stock on lots and we have many still in transit. We are also trying to satisfy global demand from the same plant at the same time. We are filling all orders globally as fast as we can.” More info can be found here.

 

 

Mr. Mckinsey Europe is not above nor below a Flash In The Pan...Frankly the EU depends heavily upon oil tax revenue to support there entire govt structure. I do believe when the lost revenues hit the electric fan...a new light will be cast upon Green Energy. The French population would be a very good example of a rebellion to such events, seeing their energy tax increase exponentially in electrical rates may well a watershed moment...Who know's i hope the population is delighted with there new toy's.

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7 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In 2020, the auto industry in the United States sold approximately 14.5 million light vehicle units. This figure includes retail sales of about 3.4 million autos and more than 11 million light truck units.Feb 5, 2021

Trending sales stats.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199983/us-vehicle-sales-since-1951/#:~:text=In 2020%2C the auto industry,11 million light truck units.

So, the ICE base keeps growing which will keep fossil fuels going. Natural gas should be used for the big ones though IMHO. 

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The missing Mach-E went to Norway

Ford Mustang Mach-E noted an impressive 1,384 new registrations (9.8% share in May), immediately jumping to the #11 best-selling model year-to-date.

https://insideevs.com/news/511280/norway-ev-sales-may-2021/

 

Speed Bump?...1400 unit's..lmao ohh well.

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4 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

So, the ICE base keeps growing which will keep fossil fuels going. Natural gas should be use for the big ones though IMHO. 

The auto ind went thru this back in 2005/2011, huge market swings financial discord only to end in failure. 

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44 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

So, the ICE base keeps growing which will keep fossil fuels going. Natural gas should be used for the big ones though IMHO. 

Actually their are times i believe Ford has a extremely self destructive nature. After they developed the ecoboost engine they let the tech just stagnate. The Ecoboost engine with it DI,VCT software developed for timing on the fly and its forged internals would be another one hit wonder going to propane. Propane is safely combusted in a engine @ 15:1 ratio's....That would mean diesel tourqe and high revving gas engine quality's...Absolutely unheard of power,economoy at greatly reduced emission waste...Its sad.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Eyes Wide Open

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Mr. Mckinsey Europe is not above nor below a Flash In The Pan...Frankly the EU depends heavily upon oil tax revenue to support there entire govt structure. I do believe when the lost revenues hit the electric fan...a new light will be cast upon Green Energy. The French population would be a very good example of a rebellion to such events, seeing their energy tax increase exponentially in electrical rates may well a watershed moment...Who know's i hope the population is delighted with there new toy's.

No, they are buying plug-ins.

May In France: Plugin Vehicle Sales At 17.3% Share — Up 2.3× Year On Year

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/06/01/france-may-plugin-ev-sales-at-17-3-share-up-2-3x-year-on-year/

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Actually their are times i believe Ford has a extremely self destructive nature. After they developed the ecoboost engine they let the tech just stagnate. The Ecoboost engine with it DI,VCT software developed for timing on the fly and its forged internals would be another one hit wonder going to propane. Propane is safely combusted in a engine @ 15:1 ratio's....That would mean diesel tourqe and high revving gas engine quality's...Absolutely unheard of power,economoy at greatly reduced emission waste...Its sad.

Propane is a great fuel, I need to research the volume available for cars and trucks. I know that third world nations depend on it. Not just barbeques. I have a smoker and a weed burner also. Could heat my extra garage when I am in it in the winter too. It is a dual fuel for my cheap indoor heating in the winter with a nice little natural gas heater under a window in the living room. It heats all the areas of the house that I use during the day. My home is well insulated but I keep a crack open in the window. 

I have been considering getting a large propane tank as a backup to my natural gas. I would do that if the world got really worse than it already is. Natural gas generators can run off propane if adapted for it, or possibly dual to start with. One of our members runs his truck off of a propane truck that he purchased used. He gets the bulk price that way.