GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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7 hours ago, notsonice said:

India would not increase coal production ???yet they are decreasing coal consumption... Peak World Coal happened in 2013/14, yet you keep posting your fantasy that World coal production is at a record now , with no facts. 

Outdated information.

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5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No, less will be imported. You really have a problem with this simple concept. Total coal consumption is going down in India.

"All efforts are on to further enhance domestic coal production as availability of additional coal will aid in import-substitution," the ministry said.

Read the fine print, Jay...."will aid". Nothing about total coal consumption reducing.

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This would indicate coal production to rise slowly going past the previous peak in 2014

Indian production seems to be increasing marginally

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Read the fine print, Jay...."will aid". Nothing about total coal consumption reducing.

Sigh, now we go back to:

India aims to cut power output from at least 81 coal-fired plants over 4 years

NEW DELHI, May 30 (Reuters) - India plans to reduce power generation from least 81 coal-fired utilities over the next four years, the federal power ministry said in a letter, in an effort to replace expensive thermal generation with cheaper green energy sources.

The plan aims to maximize green energy potential and save costs, the letter sent to top energy department officials of state and federal government said, but will not involve shutting down old and expensive power plants. India has 173 coal-fired plants.

"The thermal power plants in future shall operate up to the technical minimum to accommodate cheaper renewable energy when it is available," the ministry said in the letter dated May 26.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/india-plans-phase-down-least-81-coal-fired-utilities-4-years-document-2022-05-30/

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2 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

This would indicate coal production to rise slowly going past the previous peak in 2014

Indian production seems to be increasing marginally

Production increasing and replacing imports but consumption is what matters. 

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Production increasing and replacing imports but consumption is what matters. 

Yes agreed consumption is everything here

But looking at global production the numbers continue to increase and therefore is being used by someone regardless of whether its imported or exported.

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Rob Plant

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8 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Production increasing and replacing imports but consumption is what matters. 

How can global production replace imports? youre not making any sense Jay!

It is what it is regardless of where it is sent, as it will ultimately be used (consumption)

This isnt just India we are talking about but GLOBAL PRODUCTION

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13 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

How can global production replace imports? youre not making any sense Jay!

It is what it is regardless of where it is sent, as it will ultimately be used (consumption)

This isnt just India we are talking about but GLOBAL PRODUCTION

No we are just talking about India.

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I wasnt!

 

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1 minute ago, Rob Plant said:

I wasnt!

 

You specifically called out India in your post so I thought you were joining the conversation on India.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No we are just talking about India.

Whats the point of singling out 1 country when the rest of the world is increasing production and therefore consumption?

The fact is the world is hungry for energy, ALL energy.

FF will increase marginally but renewables will ramp up enormously to cope with that increased energy demand.

FF arent going away any time soon, however coal will be first and then oil, finally followed much later by gas.

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7 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You specifically called out India in your post so I thought you were joining the conversation on India.

No I didnt reply to any India post, I just posted global coal production figures and forecasts to 2024, go back and check!

All I commented was that Indian coal production was increasing marginally, which doesnt necessarily mean their consumption is increasing because of their imports and exports of coal.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Rob Plant

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Just now, Rob Plant said:

Whats the point of singling out 1 country when the rest of the world is increasing production and therefore consumption?

The fact is the world is hungry for energy, ALL energy.

FF will increase marginally but renewables will ramp up enormously to cope with that increased energy demand.

FF arent going away any time soon, however coal will be first and then oil, finally followed much later by gas.

If you read from the beginning it was because Eco wanted proof that expensive coal was causing someone to substitute low cost renewables. He then tried to claim that their increased production meant they weren't actually decreasing their coal use. India is the second largest coal user so looking at their national strategy is very relevant.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If you read from the beginning it was because Eco wanted proof that expensive coal was causing someone to substitute low cost renewables. He then tried to claim that their increased production meant they weren't actually decreasing their coal use. India is the second largest coal user so looking at their national strategy is very relevant.

Yes I did read that

I dont necessarily agree with Eco as you rightly point out you would have to check what the imports and exports were to extrapolate that.

I was just adding to the discussion, and I still think that India like many second and third world countries need coal right now (much as I wish they didnt) in order to satisfy their energy demands both now and in the fututre.

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1 minute ago, Rob Plant said:

No I didnt reply to any India post, I just posted global coal production figures and forecasts to 2024, go back and check!

You called out Indian coal production for no apparent reason so it seemed you were joining the multi page banter on India coal production.

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Just now, Jay McKinsey said:

You called out Indian coal production for no apparent reason so it seemed you were joining the multi page banter on India coal production.

see above posts

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I just dont believe renewable projects can keep pace with energy demands of all countries and we need ALL forms of energy until countries have the renewable infrastructure in place to cope with the demand.

Look at the energy crisis we have now because of Russian oil+ gas.

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Look at the energy crisis we have now because of Russian oil+ gas.

Mr.Plant while I highly respect your commentary and appreciate it Russian oil&gas is not the epicenter of the Energy crisis. 

Had the EU Not decommissioned their conventional power generation sources the world would not be in the same place today. That is irrefutable, Merkel knew this well she openly made her concerns public in regards to Putin weaponizing oil. Where would Russia be today without European oil&gas money  today...not in the Urkrain.

It should be quite obvious by now battery tech will be needed to stabilize Green Energy's power generation. One can only imagine the cost and magnitude of this calamity. Today China is the world's leader in battery production , it is almost laughable...first Russian reliance on oil and now China is poised to supply battery production.

Or perhaps just build a new grid? Just another trillion or 3/5/8 dollars? Green Energy may well bring the world to its knees....have you looked around lately. 

The mistake the EU made was not fossil fuels but the Reliance on a unproven, high cost..form of energy development..below is article that tries to deflect there malfeasance.

The Wind Turbine Failures Behind Europe's Energy Crisis Are a Warning for America

Renewables such as wind and solar are intermittent, subject to the prevailing wind and solar conditions that can fluctuate greatly throughout the day. They are the least reliable source when it comes to meeting electricity demand," Walsh went on.

"Accordingly, electricity system operators, of which there are over 40 in Europe, must attempt to forecast and meet demand while taking into consideration what mix of electricity supply is available to them."

https://www.newsweek.com/wind-turbine-failures-europe-energy-crisis-warning-america-fossil-fuels-1643011

We were all wrong’: how Germany got hooked on Russian energy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/germany-dependence-russian-energy-gas-oil-nord-stream

 

China is owning the global battery race. That could be a problem for the U.S.

Electric cars rely on lithium-ion batteries. China produces 76 percent while the U.S. makes only 8 percent.

https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/01/18/china-is-owning-the-global-battery-race-that-could-be-a-problem-for-the-us/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Germany introduces bill to accelerate wind power expansion

BERLIN, June 8 (Reuters) - Germany's economy and climate ministry on Wednesday presented a package of measures to speed up the expansion of onshore wind power generation as the country seeks to reduce its reliance on Russian fossil fuels.

Germany aims to fulfil 80% of its electricity needs from renewable sources by 2030, with a goal of increasing the capacity of onshore wind power to 115 gigawatts (GW) - equivalent to the capacity of 38 nuclear plants.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-introduce-bill-accelerate-wind-energy-expansion-document-2022-06-07/#:~:text=Germany aims to fulfil 80,capacity of 38 nuclear plants.

 

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Germany’s Maxed-Out Grid Is Causing Trouble Across Europe

 

Northern Germany can’t use all the renewable energy it’s making. Neither can its neighbors.

Paying foreign wind farms to shut down?

The Bundesnetzagentur’s figures do not include instances where Germany paid foreign wind farms to shut down and allow its electricity to be exported.

This happened to Danish wind projects in 2015 as part of the integration of reserve and balancing services across international markets, said Andrews. “It doesn’t appear that there are any incidents of this recently,” he added.

However, other observers are unconvinced. An analysis by Danish energy consultant Paul-Frederik Bach shows 1.2 terawatt-hours of curtailment taking place in the western part of Denmark during 2018, equivalent to 5.7 percent of all electricity consumption in the region.

“If you look at the western part of Denmark, where we have a lot of wind power, people make the observation that when we have a lot of wind, all these wind turbines are not running," Bach told GTM. 

"They ask: ‘How is that?’ The reason is that Germany pays them to stop."

 

“It’s a booming business. Germany needs to export electricity north.”

 

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/germanys-stressed-grid-is-causing-trouble-across-europe

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25 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Germany’s Maxed-Out Grid Is Causing Trouble Across Europe

 

Northern Germany can’t use all the renewable energy it’s making. Neither can its neighbors.

Paying foreign wind farms to shut down?

The Bundesnetzagentur’s figures do not include instances where Germany paid foreign wind farms to shut down and allow its electricity to be exported.

This happened to Danish wind projects in 2015 as part of the integration of reserve and balancing services across international markets, said Andrews. “It doesn’t appear that there are any incidents of this recently,” he added.

However, other observers are unconvinced. An analysis by Danish energy consultant Paul-Frederik Bach shows 1.2 terawatt-hours of curtailment taking place in the western part of Denmark during 2018, equivalent to 5.7 percent of all electricity consumption in the region.

“If you look at the western part of Denmark, where we have a lot of wind power, people make the observation that when we have a lot of wind, all these wind turbines are not running," Bach told GTM. 

"They ask: ‘How is that?’ The reason is that Germany pays them to stop."

 

“It’s a booming business. Germany needs to export electricity north.”

 

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/germanys-stressed-grid-is-causing-trouble-across-europe

Too much cheap electricity. What a problem to have! Now they need to adjust market pricing, build out transmission lines and get the green hydrogen industry going.

You know nothing in that article actually sounded like trouble. 

Germany's Wind Industry Calls for 10GW Offshore Green Hydrogen Target

 

Courtesy Aquaventus

PUBLISHED JUN 2, 2022 8:44 PM BY THE MARITIME EXECUTIVE

 

 

A coalition of German renewable-energy interests have joined forces to call for a rapid acceleration of offshore-wind-to-hydrogen projects, including production of green hydrogen at sea. 

In a new position paper, the "Hydrogen Eight" suggested that hydrogen-at-sea projects would be a lower-cost way to develop areas far from shore while making a substantial contribution to Germany's fuel needs. With cross-linked pipeline infrastructure to neighboring countries in a "Green Hydrogen Union," the strategy could play a role in solving the rest of Europe's energy problems as well. 

To boost green hydrogen from offshore wind, the partners called for setting a legal target to install 10 GW worth of hydrogen capacity from offshore wind in German waters by 2035. This would require opening up lease auctions in areas that are currently too far from shore to be commercially viable for conventional development. For these far-flung sites, grid power development would require an excessively long power cable installation. By contrast, a single H2 collection pipeline in the North Sea could facilitate lower-cost development, taking the place of five standard electrical power cable installations, the partners suggested. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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54 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Too much cheap electricity. What a problem to have! Now they need to adjust market pricing, build out transmission lines and get the green hydrogen industry going.

Perhaps you are correct, generation is cost effective, when available that is. Then there's the stabilization and distribution costs, several trillion was the last number I heard.

Chump change for ECO crowd, after all they have a endless supply of blank checks. How could they possibly be short of funds?

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9 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Perhaps you are correct, generation is cost effective, when available that is. Then there's the stabilization and distribution costs, several trillion was the last number I heard.

Chump change for ECO crowd, after all they have a endless supply of blank checks. How could they possibly be short of funds?

These are investments that make money. This is the part that you guys can never comprehend. 

€323 billion can be saved by doubling renewables by 2030

The results are striking. The analysis finds that Europe can cut its power sector gas consumption in half, reduce energy costs by €323 billion by doubling its share of renewables – from around 33% now, to over 60%, by 2030. In turn, this would reduce electricity bills by 10%, while putting Europe on track to deliver its 55% GHG reduction target by 2030.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/opinion/europes-renewable-energy-future/

Edited June 8, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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54 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

These are investments that make money. This is the part that you guys can never comprehend. 

€323 billion can be saved by doubling renewables by 2030

The results are striking. The analysis finds that Europe can cut its power sector gas consumption in half, reduce energy costs by €323 billion by doubling its share of renewables – from around 33% now, to over 60%, by 2030. In turn, this would reduce electricity bills by 10%, while putting Europe on track to deliver its 55% GHG reduction target by 2030.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/opinion/europes-renewable-energy-future/

DISCLAIMER: All "opinions" in this column reflect the views of the author(s), not of EURACTIV Media network.

I'd go really long on that project/opinion piece if I were you Jay. It looks like a attempt to rewrite history. 

Strictly a opinion...your mileage may vary.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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13 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Outdated information.

you have revised numbers for 1980-2020???? history does not change with time....

PS 2021 was not even close to 2013/14......

what number did you get for the past 12 months of consumption?????? Please post it...........