Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Definitely more than 1%. Coal is up 500% and you don't think that is a road block. No. EVs are less than 1% of the vehicle market value, not even close on that number. Lithium prices are up 500% this year and will go much higher if environmentalists are successful in banning lithium production in Europe. End of the line for renewable energy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Boat said: Let me woke you. Pollution and climate change kill humans, cause massive disruption with unneeded pain and suffering. The planet doesn't care. It’s not human. Like Putin, XI and Trump pain and suffering can be a shrewd move. Of course their psychopaths. You may be one also, or a bot with a poor algorithm. If you believe that nonsense about fossil fuels, why do you persist in driving a fossil fuel vehicle? You are off the charts with this lack of logic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: They are being built right now. UK to build huge battery storage to slash £1bn 'waste of energy and money' A MAJOR British firm is set to build one of Europe's largest battery storage facilities, which is set to dramatically reduce the £1billion worth of energy from going to waste every year. Kona Energy, a UK based company that is focused on developing grid-scale battery energy storage projects, has been granted planning approval to build one of Europe’s largest battery storage facilities. The firm will build a 200MW battery storage facility in Heysham, Lancashire, that is set to save 45,000 tonnes of CO2 per annum, which is the equivalent of taking 15,000 cars off the road per year. Mr Willis warned that since most powerful wind farms are far away from busy centres like London or Manchester, the UK is forced to turn them off during times of high supply to prevent an overload of the National Grid. To solve this wastage of energy, Kona has decided to build its facility at the landing point of six offshore wind farms, including one of the world’s largest, the Walney wind farm. The current developing roadblock on lithium will prevent this dream from reaching reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Boat said: I keep waiting for the Mongolian Coal massive rise in consumption in Chine you promised. As a side note I am close to declaring Peak oil happened in 2019. My projection is 2027 but I think oil may never set another high in production. Covid and Putin have changed demand permanently. The question is the speed of production of electric vehicles. A few million more electric cars vrs can they end the war and reverse gasoline prices. Who does good math out there. Your math is in another world of fantasy. Lithium problems are going to roadblock future battery growth. And as long as you cling to your fossil fuel vehicle, you are part of the issue yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: China's NEV sales up 105% in May YoY 23% market share. Less than 1% of vehicle market value. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 12 hours ago, notsonice said: “Tip of the iceberg’' the death of coal one battery at a time..... Enjoy it is happening now Oregon utility powers up nation’s first large-scale wind, solar and battery facility By Monica Samayoa (OPB) June 7, 2022 6 a.m. Updated: June 8, 2022 1:56 p.m. Portland General Electric and a partner developer are bringing batteries into the clean energy mix to accelerate the transition from fossil fuels. Nestled in the hills of Morrow County, hundreds of solar panels and wind turbines are generating a product that will soon be in high demand around the state — clean electric energy. But storing large amounts of renewable energy has proven challenging. Wind and solar only generate power when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing. Otherwise, fossil fuels kick back in. Now, one major utility in Oregon is trying to produce energy 24/7 with a boost from a critical component — batteries. Solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power, at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022. Portland General Electric partnered with NextEra Energy Resources to build a first-of-its-kind facility that will use an innovative battery technology that supporters are calling a “game changer” for Oregon’s renewable energy transition. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Energy collected by solar panels produces direct current voltage. That's passed through an inverter and converted to alternating current. From there it's stored on batteries located on site. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB The inverter, right, converts power generated by solar panels to alternating current, which is then stored on batteries (left) to use when needed. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB At the facility, solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power which can be stored in batteries, lower left. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Deer run through a field beneath the wind turbines, May 24, 2022. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Jana Lehn, NextEra’s PV Solar Field Technician, is one of the first technicians cross-trained in all three renewable technologies. “From our inverter we can go out to the grid or we can go and charge our batteries,” she said. “Then at night when we don't have any sun to produce power, we can push power from our batteries through our inverter out to the grid.” Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB A sprayer drives through a field with wind turbines dotting the landscape, May 24, 2022. The wind turbines are located on land leased from local landowners. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB “I think you're going to see more of these types of facilities in the future,” said Kristen Sheeran, Portland General Electric’s director of sustainability strategy, on a recent tour. “We're still in the early years of battery storage technology development.” Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Two types of turbines used to harness the wind's energy — a wind-powered water pump windmill, center, along with today's modern wind turbines. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Turbines are approximately 270 feet from the ground to the middle of the hub between the three blades. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Wind turbines work to create clean electric power, at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB The 120 GE turbines are capable of producing 300 megawatts. The wind component of the facility began operating in late 2020. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Energy produced by wind turbines and solar panels utilize some of the existing transmission lines from the former Boardman Coal Plant, top left. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB The substation at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Wind turbines are located on land leased from local landowners who can continue to utilize the land for agricultural purposes. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Turbines create no air or water pollution. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB David Lawlor, NextEra’s director of development for the Pacific Northwest, said as battery technology advances, the facility will be able to handle more storage. Right now, there are 21 large and small battery containers at the facility. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Portland General Electric partnered with NextEra Energy Resources to build a first-of-its-kind facility that will use an innovative battery technology that supporters are calling a “game changer” for Oregon’s renewable energy transition. The batteries allow the Lexington facility to capture and store electricity even when there’s no sun or wind available. The Wheatridge facility's general location is marked in red on this map. Courtesy state of Oregon “I think you’re going to see more of these types of facilities in the future,” said Kristen Sheeran, PGE’s director of sustainability strategy, on a recent tour. “We’re still in the early years of battery storage technology development.” The Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility is about 30 miles from the utility’s now-shuttered Boardman coal plant and uses some of the same transmission lines. It started operating in March and generates up to 350 megawatts of clean energy — enough to power about 100,000 homes. The batteries store 30 megawatts, or enough to power the city of Tigard for four hours. Powering up PGE’s push for clean energy is driven in large part by House Bill 2021. It’s one of the nation’s most ambitious climate plans and was signed into law in 2021 by Gov. Kate Brown. The law requires utilities like PGE and Pacific Power to reduce carbon emissions by 100% by 2040. Power generated by solar panels passes through an inverter, right, is converted to alternating current, and then carried to batteries, left, housed on site. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Sheeran said battery storage will help them get there by improving reliability and creating storage that allows the facility to function 24/7. “Sites like this are fitting into sort of a larger grid network of providing reliable, renewable power that utilities across the West are increasingly drawing on,” Sheeran said. David Lawlor is NextEra’s director of development for the Pacific Northwest. NextEra one of the world’s largest generators of wind and solar energy and a leader in integrated battery storage systems. He said as battery technology advances, the facility will be able to handle more storage. Right now, there are 21 large and small battery containers at the facility. “One of the great things about having battery storage integrated into the other two technologies, is it’s already engineered and built for augmentation,” Lawlor said. “So these containers can take more batteries and as the batteries become a little less efficient, we add more batteries to keep the capacity.” Energy collected by solar panels, after being converted to the appropriate voltage, is able to charge and be stored in batteries located on site. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB Jana Lehn, NextEra’s PV Solar Field Technician, is one of the first technicians cross-trained in all three renewable technologies. She said her role at Wheatridge is to make sure the facility and batteries are working properly and train other technicians. So far, only solar panels generate enough energy to charge the batteries. Lehn said the energy collected by solar panels produces direct current or DC voltage similar to car or cell phone batteries. The DC voltage then goes to an inverter, or the central point of where all the power goes and changes into alternating current or AC voltage. “It does its little magic, it turns it to AC voltage, which that’s what our transmission lines carry,” she said. “Your AC voltage is going to be the plug on your wall at your home.” THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR: Become a Sponsor This process helps the energy collected become “clean energy” and it, in turn, creates an easier flow to power homes. “From our inverter, we can go out to the grid or we can go and charge our batteries,” she said. “Then at night when we don’t have any sun to produce power, we can push power from our batteries through our inverter out to the grid.” ‘You need flexibility’ Bob Jenks, executive director of the Oregon Citizens Utility Board, said the Wheatridge facility represents a step in the right direction for Oregon’s clean electricity efforts. It also removes the dependence on only one source of clean energy. “You need diversity of renewable resources,” he said. “You need flexibility with them and the battery here is providing that flexibility.” Jenks said battery storage is becoming increasingly important in the clean energy transition, as utilities figure out ways to move power from one time of the day to another. Adding batteries to the mix will change when, where, and how clean energy is created and stored across the state. The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022 and spans 300 acres. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB “That comes in real valuable because solar stops producing in late afternoon, early evening — but that’s when people get home from work and tend to turn on their air conditioning,” Jenks said. Jenks cautioned that there could be some downsides to the technology, and questioned the ability of batteries to manage the power load and travel long distances. For example, he said PGE’s decision to locate the batteries at the facility could mean that by the time the energy makes it to the Willamette Valley, some of its power has been lost. He also said storage capacity can decline over time as the battery’s life capacity depletes. Weather is another variable that can affect how batteries store energy. “Anyone who owns an electric vehicle knows that in the winter you don’t get the same amount of miles as you get in in the summer,” he said. “Cold weather has negative effects on the ability to charge and maintain power.” But overall, Jenks said the facility is a smart investment and will likely be good for ratepayers. “This is a good example of how the technologies are there,” he said “And in Oregon, there’s the political will to require our utilities to use that technology.” “Tip of the iceberg’' Adam Schultz, the Oregon Department of Energy’s electricity and markets policy group lead, said he expects more projects to follow Wheatridge’s lead by combining different technologies like wind, solar, hydropower and batteries to generate and store more clean energy. But that is also going to prompt a change in the current power system grid. Energy produced by wind turbines and solar panels utilize some of the existing transmission lines from the former Boardman Coal Plant, top left. Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB “If you’re going to try to generate enough clean megawatt hours to displace all the fossil fuels on the system, you’re going to need to move those megawatt hours around to be available 24/7,” he said. “This is sort of what we expect to see in the future.” Schultz said Oregon’s electric system was built for transporting power when needed rather than collecting it. He said it doesn’t take a lot of storage to begin to have an impact on the power grid, and facilities like Wheatridge will help other utilities think differently about storage and get clean energy on the power grid. Storage can also save ratepayers money during peak hours, Schultz said. Especially in the summer months when air conditioning units are running blast. “So that’s sort of the game-changer of storage at a very broad scale,” he said. “Sort of the tip of the iceberg there of what’s coming.” As battery storage becomes more common, Schultz said it’s hard to overstate the role it will place in the next 40 years and he expects states like Oregon will take a more streamlined approach to clean energy and share resources with other states. Editor’s note: This story has been updated to reflect that NextEra Energy Resources co-owns the facility with PGE. Again, the lithium problem will present a roadblock to the green dream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 12, 2022 (edited) The White House has turned hysterical with the upcoming cleansing mid-terms fast approaching. Gasoline taxes are being suggested as a cure for America's energy problems, but it has not worked well in Europe, where gasoline taxes have reduced the standard of living for the majority of Brits. Gasoline taxes are extremely regressive taxes, moving post-tax income away from the lower income populations and into the pockets of higher income populations. This attack on the lower income people will come back to haunt the politicians whose Green fantasies have deteriorated the standard of living of most Americans. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Gas-Prices/Why-Is-The-UK-Sending-Gasoline-To-America-As-Prices-Explode.html "Gasoline demand is rising despite record-high prices while gasoline stocks dropped again, per the latest EIA weekly inventory report. Gasoline inventories decreased by 800,000 barrels last week and are now about 10% below the five-year average for this time of year, the EIA said on Wednesday. At 416.8 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are about 15% below the five-year average for this time of year. "This dynamic between decreased supply and increased demand is contributing to rising prices at the pump. This coupled with increasing crude oil prices means that the price of gas will likely remain elevated for the near future," AAA said in a Thursday comment on the soaring gasoline prices. The sky-high prices are a serious threat to Democrats in the mid-term elections in November, as Americans will vote with gasoline prices in mind, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll found earlier this month. Gasoline prices will be an extremely important issue in the mid-terms for 48 percent of Americans—the highest percentage an issue has garnered for being "extremely important." Another 26 percent of Americans see gasoline prices as a "very important" election issue, the poll showed. " Edited June 12, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 12, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, TailingsPond said: I can predict it will get dark at night. Ahh your true forte, I might suggest a new career path may be in order for you shortly. Frankly a you may well paved a new path for a entire cult so to speak. It would seem clear as day from my perspective... How SCOTUS’ upcoming climate ruling could defang Washington The Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling this month hobbling the Biden administration’s efforts to rein in greenhouse gases — but its impact could weaken Washington’s power to oversee wide swaths of American life well beyond climate change. The upcoming decision on the Environmental Protection Agency’s climate oversight offers the conservative justices an opportunity to undermine federal regulations on a host of issues, from drug pricing and financial regulations to net neutrality. Critics of the EPA have clamored for the high court to do just that, by declaring it unlawful for federal agencies to make “major” decisions without clear authorization from Congress. Edited June 12, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 12, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Boat said: Yes, they are paying the price for Putins nat gas. I bet they didn’t factor in the costs of war. Talk about intermittency, hard to burn Russian gas and oil now, eh? How to Use Google Maps to Find Fresher Air https://lifehacker.com/how-to-use-google-maps-to-find-fresher-air-1849050091 Edited June 12, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 468 GE June 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ahh your true forte, I might suggest a new career path may be in order for you shortly. Frankly a you may well paved a new path for a entire cult so to speak. It would seem clear as day from my perspective... How SCOTUS’ upcoming climate ruling could defang Washington The Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling this month hobbling the Biden administration’s efforts to rein in greenhouse gases — but its impact could weaken Washington’s power to oversee wide swaths of American life well beyond climate change. The upcoming decision on the Environmental Protection Agency’s climate oversight offers the conservative justices an opportunity to undermine federal regulations on a host of issues, from drug pricing and financial regulations to net neutrality. Critics of the EPA have clamored for the high court to do just that, by declaring it unlawful for federal agencies to make “major” decisions without clear authorization from Congress. Serious question, do you want the courts to have increased ability to prevent actions of the people-elected administration? "Hobbling the Biden administration" might sound great to you now but remember the SCOTUS rulings will persist after Biden is gone. How is your trump Speaker of the house prediction working out? haha Eat crow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er June 12, 2022 Battery shortage is affecting U.S. energy, drive to replace fossil fuels with other sources | Fox Business 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Battery shortage is affecting U.S. energy, drive to replace fossil fuels with other sources | Fox Business Oh no the world is ending, The developers of the projects, originally meant to come online this year and next, have warned of delays between six and 12 months, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er June 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Oh no the world is ending, The developers of the projects, originally meant to come online this year and next, have warned of delays between six and 12 months, Don't be an ignorant ass, was just showing that some projects aren't cemented and delays are going to be a "norm" is my way of thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Don't be an ignorant ass, was just showing that some projects aren't cemented and delays are going to be a "norm" is my way of thinking. Delays are always the norms. Something that happens on schedule is always hailed as being phenomenal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,068 DM June 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Again, the lithium problem will present a roadblock to the green dream. yesterday you babbled.......Those batteries will never materialize. yet battery storage is happening on a mass scale now you babble the lithium problem will present a roadblock to the green dream..... yet 20 major battery plants are under construction in the US and World Lithium production is booming........ Enjoy the transition to an all electric world........... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 12, 2022 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Serious question, do you want the courts to have increased ability to prevent actions of the people-elected administration? I see you have ill informed thought processes. Top down No administration makes law. Elected officials make law. People elect local officials to make and influence laws. Courts merely decide if these laws are constitutionally correct if challenged. The Supreme court once again only rules on the lower courts decisions if challenged. Their are many courts prior to the supreme court. So yes I am quite comfortable with this processes, after all these procedures have propelled the US to a very high state of existence in a very very short time. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 12, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: How is your trump Speaker of the house prediction working out? haha Actually this journey has become quite a adventure in US history. What is more fascinating would be Trumps "assenction" to the speaker of the house...and completely within the confines of the rules. Absolutely extraordinary.. COMIMG TO A THEATRE NEAR YOU! ASSENCTION! Edited June 12, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 June 13, 2022 On 5/17/2022 at 5:57 PM, Ecocharger said: Jay, let me repeat for your benefit....the solar studies from 2017 onward predicted a cooling phase commencing in 2020, and we now show a clear temperature plateau effect beginning in...yes, that's right, 2020. Not a bad prediction. And the CO2 models failed to predict any plateau. The whole CO2 issue is a red herring. It happens to be the heaviest fraction of the atmosphere, so the overwhelming majority of it happens to be at the ground level. This makes it ill-suitable as a "greenhouse gas" A similar kind of logic applies to the ocean, where the CO2 concentration overwhelmingly depends on a single factor - pressure/depth. That is, for the first couple of kilometers. The greater depths happen to be entirely devoid of dissolved gasses yet, so there is a nearly infinite CO2 sink available right there. (And no, it is not going to cause any perceptible "acidification" either) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 468 GE June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I see you have ill informed thought processes. Top down No administration makes law. Elected officials make law. People elect local officials to make and influence laws. Courts merely decide if these laws are constitutionally correct if challenged. The Supreme court once again only rules on the lower courts decisions if challenged. Their are many courts prior to the supreme court. So yes I am quite comfortable with this processes, after all these procedures have propelled the US to a very high state of existence in a very very short time. I just asked about your opinion, not a review of processes you clearly do not understand. Thank you for your support of the courts. I except you to accept their judgments from now on (trump's crimes etc.). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh June 13, 2022 12 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No. EVs are less than 1% of the vehicle market value, not even close on that number. Lithium prices are up 500% this year and will go much higher if environmentalists are successful in banning lithium production in Europe. End of the line for renewable energy. Lithium has nothing to do with solar. It is used in batteries. XCEL is going to convert the 1000 mw Harrington from coal to hydrogen No batteries dumbie. . Ecocharger you don't know enough to tell the difference between a plant yard man and basement operator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 13, 2022 Plug-In Vehicle Sales A total of 73,608 plug-in vehicles (57,804 BEVs and 15,804 PHEVs) were sold during May 2022 in the United States, up 45.5% from the sales in May 2021. PEVs captured 6.66% of total LDV sales this month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 13, 2022 (edited) Demand for oil and gasoline is hot and getting hotter. Here is one way to combat that problem. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Want-To-Offset-High-Gas-Prices-Invest-In-An-Oil-Company.html "As the price of gasoline rises, the price of oil stocks has risen alongside it. The oil business is an incredibly tough one, but if you are willing to suffer through the lows then you can enjoy the highs. Technically, if a consumer had bought certain oil stocks, then the rising price of gasoline could well have been offset by those profits." Edited June 13, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 13, 2022 (edited) CEOs of GM, Ford and other automakers urge Congress to lift electric vehicle tax credit cap The executives say the credit, which begins phasing out once a company sells 200,000 plug-in electric vehicles, is essential to keep the vehicles affordable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna33340 Edited June 13, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 June 14, 2022 BlackRock investors take voting power amid scrutiny of asset managers US Senate hearing this week will focus on outsized voting power of index tracking funds 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG June 14, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 8:24 AM, Ecocharger said: No. EVs are less than 1% of the vehicle market value, not even close on that number. Lithium prices are up 500% this year and will go much higher if environmentalists are successful in banning lithium production in Europe. End of the line for renewable energy. Tesla is 70% of EV in the states. Tesla is 3% of US cars. Over 50% of new Tesla uses phosphate instead of lithium. Just saw that on a video. No clue how accurate the info is. But obviously Tesla is moving away from lithium at least for now. To your point, how yes will lithium prices affect the pickup and the semi. Those products may need lithium, cobalt and nickel for more density, power etc. I don’t think the science is settled yet. Solar and wind are doing much better than Mongolian coal. Got some charts yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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