Boat + 1,323 RG September 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Woke is stuck with outmoded and worthless statistical models which no longer merit any kind of respect. The real science tells a different story. Mongolian coal is not real science. All this oil growth in a down year is not science even with no charts. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG September 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: That is just what I said, only the rich can afford to stay driving in the electric future projected by this Climate Panic. But that nightmare world you prefer will not happen, the new science has already debunked the weak climate models the woke rely on. That is clear in Britain, given the new policies there. I have talked about the affordability of the electric transformation many times. You don’t understand what decades means, what growing to scale means. What tech has been successful, what appears to be happening soon and in the future. You missed the stats on the trillions of damage compared to the past from the number and strength of storms. You use what energy you got and keep installing the clean energy that doesn't kill as quickly. That energy that drives health care costs. If you like coal, go to Russia. They seem to have an increasing shortage of men. You can wheelbarrow some coal around and lie claiming it's Mongolian. Lol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 September 13, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 6:38 PM, Ecocharger said: Jay, those are registered Chinese used car sales, just a small percentage of actual used sales in China. That is absurd. Almost every car in China is registered with the government just like in every other country and when they are sold the new owner is registered and old owner removed from the document. REGISTRATION MEASURES OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA (DECREE NO. 56) REGISTRATION MEASURES OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA (DECREE NO. 56) (Adopted in the minister working conference of the Ministry of Pubic Security on November 27, 2000) CHAPTER 1 GENERAL PRINCIPLES Article 1 Pursuant to relevant laws and administrative regulations, the Measures is stipulated for the purpose of strengthening management and registration of motor vehicles, protecting legal interests of citizens, legal persons and other organizations and promoting economic and social development. Article 2 The Measures shall apply to the application and registration of motor vehicles in the People s Republic of China (PRC). The regulations for military vehicle registration shall apply to the motor vehicles that are registered by the People s Liberation Army and the People s Armed Police Forces. Article 3 According to the Measures, the motor vehicles running on the roads within PRC shall be registered in the motor vehicle registry and obtain numberplates, drive certificate, and registration certificate. Without numberplate and drive certificate, the motor vehicles are prohibited from running on roads. Article 4 The vehicle management station of communication administration in public security agencies shall be the registering organs responsible for motor vehicle registration in their administrative areas.Article 5 The motor vehicle registrations comprise recording, ownership transfer, outgoing, incoming, alteration, mortgage, drive termination, drive resumption, temporary entrance and cancellation. Article 6 Registration number of motor vehicle is composed of registration organ code, English alphabet and Arabian number. Registration organ code shall be determined by the communication management bureau of Ministry of Public Security. It is forbidden that one motor vehicle have more than two registration number at the same time. Article 7 The vehicle management station shall register vehicles via computer systems and the registration shall be invalid if it fails to do so. Article 8 The owner of motor vehicle shall register his vehicle in the management station, filling in registration forms and submitting valid materials according to the Measures. Article 9 The vehicle management station shall accept the application of vehicle owner or mortgagee, examine materials submitted by the owner and mortgagee according to laws and examine the vehicles. Within the registration time limit, the station shall decide whether to register or not and if not, it shall explain the reason in writing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 14, 2022 22 hours ago, Boat said: I have talked about the affordability of the electric transformation many times. You don’t understand what decades means, what growing to scale means. What tech has been successful, what appears to be happening soon and in the future. You missed the stats on the trillions of damage compared to the past from the number and strength of storms. You use what energy you got and keep installing the clean energy that doesn't kill as quickly. That energy that drives health care costs. If you like coal, go to Russia. They seem to have an increasing shortage of men. You can wheelbarrow some coal around and lie claiming it's Mongolian. Lol You are playing with worthless models and worthless statistics. Amateur stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: That is absurd. Almost every car in China is registered with the government just like in every other country and when they are sold the new owner is registered and old owner removed from the document. You are really outdoing yourself with this level of stupidity. REGISTRATION MEASURES OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA (DECREE NO. 56) REGISTRATION MEASURES OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA (DECREE NO. 56) (Adopted in the minister working conference of the Ministry of Pubic Security on November 27, 2000) CHAPTER 1 GENERAL PRINCIPLES Article 1 Pursuant to relevant laws and administrative regulations, the Measures is stipulated for the purpose of strengthening management and registration of motor vehicles, protecting legal interests of citizens, legal persons and other organizations and promoting economic and social development. Article 2 The Measures shall apply to the application and registration of motor vehicles in the People s Republic of China (PRC). The regulations for military vehicle registration shall apply to the motor vehicles that are registered by the People s Liberation Army and the People s Armed Police Forces. Article 3 According to the Measures, the motor vehicles running on the roads within PRC shall be registered in the motor vehicle registry and obtain numberplates, drive certificate, and registration certificate. Without numberplate and drive certificate, the motor vehicles are prohibited from running on roads. Article 4 The vehicle management station of communication administration in public security agencies shall be the registering organs responsible for motor vehicle registration in their administrative areas.Article 5 The motor vehicle registrations comprise recording, ownership transfer, outgoing, incoming, alteration, mortgage, drive termination, drive resumption, temporary entrance and cancellation. Article 6 Registration number of motor vehicle is composed of registration organ code, English alphabet and Arabian number. Registration organ code shall be determined by the communication management bureau of Ministry of Public Security. It is forbidden that one motor vehicle have more than two registration number at the same time. Article 7 The vehicle management station shall register vehicles via computer systems and the registration shall be invalid if it fails to do so. Article 8 The owner of motor vehicle shall register his vehicle in the management station, filling in registration forms and submitting valid materials according to the Measures. Article 9 The vehicle management station shall accept the application of vehicle owner or mortgagee, examine materials submitted by the owner and mortgagee according to laws and examine the vehicles. Within the registration time limit, the station shall decide whether to register or not and if not, it shall explain the reason in writing. Jay, they have strict laws in China against reusing cooking oils, but there is a thriving industry in used cooking oils in that country. No one actually cares as far as the government is concerned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP September 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Jay, they have strict laws in China against reusing cooking oils, but there is a thriving industry in used cooking oils in that country. No one actually cares as far as the government is concerned. Having been there quite a few times I can tell you all the Chinese people I've met are extremely law abiding as the consequences if theyre not are quite severe, and therefore they absolutely do care as far as the government is concerned. Your reference to cooking oil AKA "gutter oil" is almost impossible to police as these people are transient and literally cook at the side of the road. It is a very poor analagy in this regard compared to a registered/unregisterd vehicle as these are easy to trace if used. "Although gutter oil is illegal in China, the country's geographic vastness and the transient lifestyle of food vendors makes it difficult to for authorities to crack down on gutter oil offenders." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 September 14, 2022 (edited) Coal Power Generation Falls Despite Energy Crisis By Tsvetana Paraskova - Sep 12, 2022, 8:30 AM CD Despite record high natural gas prices and a worldwide energy crisis, global coal-powered generation fell in the year's first half, defying forecasts of high coal consumption in the electricity sector. As a result, emissions also dropped in the first half of 2022, despite a rise in overall power demand and Europe resorting to coal-fired power capacity amid surging natural gas prices and reduced imports of pipeline gas from Russia. These trends, analyzed in a report by S&P Global Commodity Insights cited by The Wall Street Journal, showed how important China is to the global energy markets and how the market works - demand falls when prices triple. Coal prices hit a record high earlier this year after the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the announcement from the EU that it would stop importing Russian coal from August. However, the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights. This wasn't the forecast that the International Energy Agency (IEA) made in December 2021, which estimated that China's coal-fired power generation would increase by 4.1% from 2021 to 2024. But the IEA said in a July report that due to the considerable slowdown in China's economy in the second quarter of 2022, coal demand in the power sector declined by 3% in the first half amid weak economic growth and a strong increase in hydropower generation. The IEA revised down its December 2021 forecast for growth in 2022 Chinese coal demand to flat consumption, assuming "the Chinese economy recovers in the third and fourth quarters from the substantial slowdown in the second quarter." Lower coal-fired power generation in the first half of 2022 means that global emissions dropped by 1% despite rising power demand globally and despite Europe turning to more coal to secure power supply in light of dwindling gas supply from Russia. "The drop in emissions may seem surprising given the popular narrative that focuses on fossil energy security, but in reality it is quite straightforward—high fuel prices lead to less demand," Xizhou Zhou, vice president at S&P Global Commodity Insights, commented, as carried by the Journal. Edited September 14, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 September 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Jay, they have strict laws in China against reusing cooking oils, but there is a thriving industry in used cooking oils in that country. No one actually cares as far as the government is concerned. Here is how the Chinese populace reacts to having the wrong registration: Mystery of the black ‘Shanghai’ Audi prowling streets of Hong Kong Police follow up after several sightings of vehicle, which breaches city law as it only has mainland Chinese plates Hong Kong police are following up on the case of an Audi with only Shanghai car plates that was spotted in various parts of the city in recent days. Photos of the vehicle, in clear violation of city laws, were posted on social media by shocked pedestrians and drivers. The pictures showed the black Audi roaming Mong Kok, Kwun Tong and the Tolo Highway in the New Territories without a Hong Kong car plate or a cross-boundary licence. The car plate bears the Chinese characters for “Shanghai” and the number “G0133”. anyone who drove an unregistered vehicle in Hong Kong could be fined HK$5,000 and thrown into jail for three months https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/2026353/mystery-black-shanghai-audi-prowling-streets-hong-kong 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Here is how the Chinese populace reacts to having the wrong registration: Mystery of the black ‘Shanghai’ Audi prowling streets of Hong Kong Police follow up after several sightings of vehicle, which breaches city law as it only has mainland Chinese plates Hong Kong police are following up on the case of an Audi with only Shanghai car plates that was spotted in various parts of the city in recent days. Photos of the vehicle, in clear violation of city laws, were posted on social media by shocked pedestrians and drivers. The pictures showed the black Audi roaming Mong Kok, Kwun Tong and the Tolo Highway in the New Territories without a Hong Kong car plate or a cross-boundary licence. The car plate bears the Chinese characters for “Shanghai” and the number “G0133”. anyone who drove an unregistered vehicle in Hong Kong could be fined HK$5,000 and thrown into jail for three months https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/2026353/mystery-black-shanghai-audi-prowling-streets-hong-kong anyone who drove an unregistered vehicle in Hong Kong could be fined HK$5,000 and thrown into jail for three months??? I wish they would enforce this in my neck of the woods...It would get rid of 5 percent of the vehicles off the streets in my neighborhood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM September 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Coal Power Generation Falls Despite Energy Crisis By Tsvetana Paraskova - Sep 12, 2022, 8:30 AM CD Despite record high natural gas prices and a worldwide energy crisis, global coal-powered generation fell in the year's first half, defying forecasts of high coal consumption in the electricity sector. As a result, emissions also dropped in the first half of 2022, despite a rise in overall power demand and Europe resorting to coal-fired power capacity amid surging natural gas prices and reduced imports of pipeline gas from Russia. These trends, analyzed in a report by S&P Global Commodity Insights cited by The Wall Street Journal, showed how important China is to the global energy markets and how the market works - demand falls when prices triple. Coal prices hit a record high earlier this year after the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the announcement from the EU that it would stop importing Russian coal from August. However, the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights. This wasn't the forecast that the International Energy Agency (IEA) made in December 2021, which estimated that China's coal-fired power generation would increase by 4.1% from 2021 to 2024. But the IEA said in a July report that due to the considerable slowdown in China's economy in the second quarter of 2022, coal demand in the power sector declined by 3% in the first half amid weak economic growth and a strong increase in hydropower generation. The IEA revised down its December 2021 forecast for growth in 2022 Chinese coal demand to flat consumption, assuming "the Chinese economy recovers in the third and fourth quarters from the substantial slowdown in the second quarter." Lower coal-fired power generation in the first half of 2022 means that global emissions dropped by 1% despite rising power demand globally and despite Europe turning to more coal to secure power supply in light of dwindling gas supply from Russia. "The drop in emissions may seem surprising given the popular narrative that focuses on fossil energy security, but in reality it is quite straightforward—high fuel prices lead to less demand," Xizhou Zhou, vice president at S&P Global Commodity Insights, commented, as carried by the Journal. Peak world coal happened in 2013/14.......Just the slow ones still believe it will ever exceed 2013/14 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoMack + 549 JM September 15, 2022 LET'S BE REAL -- RENEWABLE ENERGY TO POWER THE WORLD IS A FANTASY, BUILT ON SUBSIDIES, TAX CREDITS, CARBON SWAP EXHANGES AND BOTTOM LINE: IT'S A TOTAL SCAM. THE CLIMATE CHANGE BULLHORNS OF THE GLOBAL ELITES ARE DEMANDS TO MADE ON THE PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER, WHO THEY MUST CONTROL AT ALL COSTS. IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS REALLY THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT AND A TRUISM BROUGHT TO US BY THE BRIGHTEST BULBS IN THE POLITICAL POWER CIRCLE OF THE COUNTRY, I.E. BARACK OBAMA, THEN WHY DOES HE LIVE ON THE CLIFF OVERLOOKING THE OCEAN, WHILE EXPOUNDING THE FACTS OF THE SEA LEVELS RISING, AND INSTALLS A 2,500 COMMERCIAL PROPANE TANK ON HIS PROPERTY GIVEN BY SPECIAL PERMITTING BY THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS SUGGEST A DIFFERENT REALITY. DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE WHAT THEY PREACH, OR ARE THEY JUST CHARLATANS WHO BEG FOR POWER AND FOIST THEIR PROPAGANDA ON THE GULLIBLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THE FANTASY OF A ZERO EMISSION WORLD IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. THEY DELIVER THIS NONSENSE BY HAVING A COMPLICIT MEDIA WITH NO OBJECTIVITY OR INTELLIGENCE AND LIKE A PARROT IN A CAGE WILL CONTINUALLY REPEAT THE MESSAGE THAT IT IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT ENERGY CAN BE DELIVERED ON A WING AND A PRAYER BY THE STROKE OF A PEN, A REGULATION INSTALLED, A MANDATE TO BE OBEYED, OR MONEY BEYOND THE SCOPE OR WHEREWITHAL OF THE COUNTRY IT LEADS. IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE SINCE THE BEAUTIFUL TRANSITION TOUTED BY THE POWERS THAT BE IS A SCHEME WHERE WE LOSE AND THEY MOST CERTAINLY WIN. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP September 15, 2022 I dont believe in the climate change protagonists as Co2 levels are actually at a very low level in earths history if anyone cares to research it. We also need Co2 to survive, as does every other living thing on this planet we call home. However renewables arent the devil and will save lives as pollution is a killer and thats a fact. Thank God we dont still all burn coal to heat our homes. The 1962 London smog was a severe smog episode that affected London, England in December 1962. It occurred ten years after the Great Smog of London, in which serious air pollution had killed as many as 12,000 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_London_smog#:~:text=The 1962 London smog was,as many as 12%2C000 people. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 702 September 15, 2022 https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/experts-question-economic-environmental-value-wind-power True costs are far beyond what is claimed while reliability is worse. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 15, 2022 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 11:28 AM, Jay McKinsey said: Coal Power Generation Falls Despite Energy Crisis By Tsvetana Paraskova - Sep 12, 2022, 8:30 AM CD Despite record high natural gas prices and a worldwide energy crisis, global coal-powered generation fell in the year's first half, defying forecasts of high coal consumption in the electricity sector. As a result, emissions also dropped in the first half of 2022, despite a rise in overall power demand and Europe resorting to coal-fired power capacity amid surging natural gas prices and reduced imports of pipeline gas from Russia. These trends, analyzed in a report by S&P Global Commodity Insights cited by The Wall Street Journal, showed how important China is to the global energy markets and how the market works - demand falls when prices triple. Coal prices hit a record high earlier this year after the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the announcement from the EU that it would stop importing Russian coal from August. However, the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights. This wasn't the forecast that the International Energy Agency (IEA) made in December 2021, which estimated that China's coal-fired power generation would increase by 4.1% from 2021 to 2024. But the IEA said in a July report that due to the considerable slowdown in China's economy in the second quarter of 2022, coal demand in the power sector declined by 3% in the first half amid weak economic growth and a strong increase in hydropower generation. The IEA revised down its December 2021 forecast for growth in 2022 Chinese coal demand to flat consumption, assuming "the Chinese economy recovers in the third and fourth quarters from the substantial slowdown in the second quarter." Lower coal-fired power generation in the first half of 2022 means that global emissions dropped by 1% despite rising power demand globally and despite Europe turning to more coal to secure power supply in light of dwindling gas supply from Russia. "The drop in emissions may seem surprising given the popular narrative that focuses on fossil energy security, but in reality it is quite straightforward—high fuel prices lead to less demand," Xizhou Zhou, vice president at S&P Global Commodity Insights, commented, as carried by the Journal. Here is the reality of the coal scene, a rapid ramping up of coal production. Coal is King. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Coal-Is-Staging-A-Major-Comeback.html "But it’s not only traditional coal-producing states that are relying on coal, as many European powers seem to be going back on their climate promises by welcoming coal once again in the face of scarcity and rising prices. In a report by the International Energy Agency (IEA), published last month, the organisation warned that global coal demand could once again hit an all-time high, with E.U. consumption rising by an estimated 7 percent, adding to a 14 percent increase in 2021. Many European countries are now expecting to continue using high levels of coal until at least 2023, as they face gas shortages and rising energy costs. In Germany, the financial officer of energy firm RWE, Michael Muller, said that the company will continue to burn more coal in the short-term to meet the country’s energy demand as it faces severe gas shortages. Germany has already recommissioned some of its coal-fired power plants, and RWE is expected to boost production further. Muller stated, “RWE is actively supporting the German government, or European governments, in managing the energy crisis.” He added, “so we’re also bringing back additional coal capacity to manage that situation.” Meanwhile, in the U.K., which pledged to close the doors of all its coal plants a year earlier than anticipated by 2024, energy firms are now being asked to ramp up their coal production to help the country avoid blackouts in the winter months. The closure of a coal-fired power station in Nottinghamshire will now be delayed and several other plants will be on standby to provide the National Grid with more power if required. At present, the delays are not threatening the U.K.’s 2024 goal, but if Europe sees energy shortages and high prices continue into the next year this could soon change. " Edited September 15, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,217 er September 15, 2022 Here's one for Jay and NotSoNice Coal Is Staging A Major Comeback | OilPrice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 15, 2022 14 hours ago, Rob Plant said: I dont believe in the climate change protagonists as Co2 levels are actually at a very low level in earths history if anyone cares to research it. We also need Co2 to survive, as does every other living thing on this planet we call home. However renewables arent the devil and will save lives as pollution is a killer and thats a fact. Thank God we dont still all burn coal to heat our homes. The 1962 London smog was a severe smog episode that affected London, England in December 1962. It occurred ten years after the Great Smog of London, in which serious air pollution had killed as many as 12,000 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_London_smog#:~:text=The 1962 London smog was,as many as 12%2C000 people. That coal technology of 1962 is no longer in use, we now have clean coal technology, which is once again on the rise in Britain. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 15, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 4:02 PM, notsonice said: Peak world coal happened in 2013/14.......Just the slow ones still believe it will ever exceed 2013/14 You are out of date. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL September 15, 2022 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 11:28 AM, Jay McKinsey said: Coal Power Generation Falls Despite Energy Crisis By Tsvetana Paraskova - Sep 12, 2022, 8:30 AM CD Despite record high natural gas prices and a worldwide energy crisis, global coal-powered generation fell in the year's first half, defying forecasts of high coal consumption in the electricity sector. As a result, emissions also dropped in the first half of 2022, despite a rise in overall power demand and Europe resorting to coal-fired power capacity amid surging natural gas prices and reduced imports of pipeline gas from Russia. These trends, analyzed in a report by S&P Global Commodity Insights cited by The Wall Street Journal, showed how important China is to the global energy markets and how the market works - demand falls when prices triple. Coal prices hit a record high earlier this year after the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the announcement from the EU that it would stop importing Russian coal from August. However, the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights. This wasn't the forecast that the International Energy Agency (IEA) made in December 2021, which estimated that China's coal-fired power generation would increase by 4.1% from 2021 to 2024. But the IEA said in a July report that due to the considerable slowdown in China's economy in the second quarter of 2022, coal demand in the power sector declined by 3% in the first half amid weak economic growth and a strong increase in hydropower generation. The IEA revised down its December 2021 forecast for growth in 2022 Chinese coal demand to flat consumption, assuming "the Chinese economy recovers in the third and fourth quarters from the substantial slowdown in the second quarter." Lower coal-fired power generation in the first half of 2022 means that global emissions dropped by 1% despite rising power demand globally and despite Europe turning to more coal to secure power supply in light of dwindling gas supply from Russia. "The drop in emissions may seem surprising given the popular narrative that focuses on fossil energy security, but in reality it is quite straightforward—high fuel prices lead to less demand," Xizhou Zhou, vice president at S&P Global Commodity Insights, commented, as carried by the Journal. Do you bother to read your own stuff, Jay? I guess not. "...the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights." Nothing to do with renewables, that is pure hogwash. Here is the big picture, for those who have trouble reading large print articles. "In a report by the International Energy Agency (IEA), published last month, the organisation warned that global coal demand could once again hit an all-time high, with E.U. consumption rising by an estimated 7 percent, adding to a 14 percent increase in 2021. " Edited September 15, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,217 er September 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You are out of date. In Germany, the financial officer of energy firm RWE, Michael Muller, said that the company will continue to burn more coal in the short-term to meet the country’s energy demand as it faces severe gas shortages. Germany has already recommissioned some of its coal-fired power plants, and RWE is expected to boost production further. Meanwhile, in the U.K., which pledged to close the doors of all its coal plants a year earlier than anticipated by 2024, energy firms are now being asked to ramp up their coal production to help the country avoid blackouts in the winter months. Not only have China’s coal imports from Russia risen in recent months but so have the country’s production levels. According to data from the National Bureau of Statistics, China mined 2.19 billion tonnes of coal from January to June, an increase of 11 percent year on year. Edited September 15, 2022 by Old-Ruffneck 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,217 er September 16, 2022 Canadian Tesla owner says automaker locked him out of his car until he pays $26,000 for new battery | Fox Business 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 September 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: That coal technology of 1962 is no longer in use, we now have clean coal technology, which is once again on the rise in Britain. How is this new technology on the rise if they aren't building any new coal plants? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 September 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Do you bother to read your own stuff, Jay? I guess not. "...the biggest factor in lower coal-fired power generation so far this year was the marked slowdown in economic growth in the world's top consumer of coal, China, which accounts for more than half of global coal consumption. Due to renewed COVID-related lockdowns in the spring of 2022 and the crisis in the real estate sector, Chinese coal-fired power generation dropped in the first half of 2022 by 1.2 percent compared to the same period of 2021, per S&P Global Commodity Insights." Nothing to do with renewables, that is pure hogwash. Here is the big picture, for those who have trouble reading large print articles. "In a report by the International Energy Agency (IEA), published last month, the organisation warned that global coal demand could once again hit an all-time high, with E.U. consumption rising by an estimated 7 percent, adding to a 14 percent increase in 2021. " Global Coal-Fired Power Generation Falls as Prices Soar and China Slows Global coal-fired power generation fell by 1.2% during the first half of 2022 from a year earlier, according to an analysis of energy consumption data, as a sharp economic slowdown in China and a surge in global coal prices after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine crimped demand. Meanwhile, power generation from renewable sources increased 17% year-over-year in the first half, led by capacity increases in the U.S. and China, according to a report published Thursday by S&P Global Commodity Insights, a market research firm. https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-coal-fired-power-generation-falls-as-prices-soar-and-china-slows-11662656704 Edited September 16, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbag99 + 20 TB September 16, 2022 On 7/4/2022 at 12:24 AM, Old-Ruffneck said: For you battery freaks Mining Industry Warns Energy Transition Isn’t Sustainable By Irina Slav - Jul 03, 2022, 4:00 PM CDT There is a glaring problem in the energy transition that not many people are acknowledging. It is being built on the back of finite resources, and the mining industry is already warning that there aren’t enough metals for all the batteries the transition will require. Because of the short supply, prices are on the rise, as are prices across commodity sectors. Join Our Community The energy transition has been set by politicians as the only way forward for human civilization. Not every country on the planet is on board with it, but those that are have the loudest voices. And even amid the fossil fuel crunch that is beginning to cripple economies, the transition remains a goal. It is no secret that the transition—at the scale its architects and most fervent proponents envisage it—would require massive amounts of metals and minerals. What does not get talked about so much is that most of these metals and minerals are already in short supply. And this is only the start of the transition problems. Mining industry executives have been warning that there is not enough copper, lithium, cobalt, or nickel for all the EV batteries that the transition would require. And they have not been the only ones, either. Even so, the European Union just this month went ahead and effectively banned the sales of cars with internal combustion engines from 2035. “Rare earth materials are fundamental building blocks and their applications are very wide across modern life,” a senior VP at MP Minerals, a rare-earth miner, told Fortune this month. He added that “one third of the demand in 2035 is not projected to be satisfied based on investments that are happening now.” Because of the short supply, prices are on the rise, as are prices across commodity sectors. According to a calculation by Barron’s, the price of a basket of EV battery metals that the service tracks has jumped by 50 percent over the past year as a result of various factors, including Western sanctions against Russia, which is a major supplier of such metals to Europe. The combination of short supply and rising prices is, of course, making the energy transition even costlier than it has been projected to be. It has also reminded us all that because of these metals and minerals, which are exactly as finite as crude oil and natural gas, the transition is not towards a renewable-energy future. It is towards a lower-carbon future. And this future may perpetuate some of the worst models of the past we want so much to leave behind. A lot of the battery metals that the energy transition needs are sourced from Africa, a continent fraught with poverty, corruption, and political uncertainty. It is also a continent that is currently threatened by a new sort of colonialism because of the energy transition. In a recent analysis for Foreign Policy, Cobus van Staden, a China-Africa researcher from the South African Institute of International Affairs, wrote that the dirty secret of the green revolution is its insatiable hunger for resources from Africa and elsewhere that are produced using some of the world’s dirtiest technologies. More importantly, van Staden added, “What’s more, the accelerated shift to batteries now threatens to replicate one of the most destructive dynamics in global economic history: the systematic extraction of raw commodities from the global south in a way that made developed countries unimaginably rich while leaving a trail of environmental degradation, human rights violations, and semipermanent underdevelopment all across the developing world.” It is difficult to argue with this forecast if you know the history of resource exploitation in Africa. Sometimes called “the resource curse” and commonly used for oil, it has been in fact, a notable feature of the colonial and post-colonial period. Van Staden notes human rights violations, corruption, and the perpetuation of low labor and environmental standards, and he also notes that pretty much all foreign businesses in Africa’s mining sector are doing all this. Related: Nickel Prices Surge As UK Sanctions Major Russian Miner Based on this evidence, it appears that besides non-renewable, the energy transition appears to not be very socially conscious. In other words, the ESG investment movement, which focuses on transition companies, might, in fact, be a movement that rewards companies that are neither very environmentally nor socially friendly. At least not in Africa. And there are no white hats because, as Van Staden says, “The entire logic of the battery metals race is to secure national prosperity at home—not in Africa.” It could perhaps be argued that unlike the last time—the Industrial Revolution—this time, we have a lot more mechanisms to protect human rights. As true as that may be, there hasn’t been a lot of progress on that in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, for example, a huge country that is key for the transition because of its cobalt wealth. Even with these mechanisms, there is no way to eliminate corruption unless all involved don’t want to eliminate it, which appears not to be the case with mining companies and resource-rich African governments. That’s the problem with corruption; it is hard to uproot. Corruption, in turn, affects environmental standards and fair compensation for workers, and the resource curse keeps its stranglehold on the continent. The good news is that all these problems with the transition were more or less taboo until recently. Now they are being talked about more and more, and this would hopefully lead to a readjustment of goals or at least timelines to make them more realistic. Maybe, just maybe, the just transition idea will gather speed as well. By Irina Slav for Oilprice.com The only problem is that all assets quoted about the sustainablity of battery technology is last decades tech. No one needs cobalt, Lithium is an abundant metal! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM September 16, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Here is the reality of the coal scene, a rapid ramping up of coal production. Coal is King. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Coal-Is-Staging-A-Major-Comeback.html "But it’s not only traditional coal-producing states that are relying on coal, as many European powers seem to be going back on their climate promises by welcoming coal once again in the face of scarcity and rising prices. In a report by the International Energy Agency (IEA), published last month, the organisation warned that global coal demand could once again hit an all-time high, with E.U. consumption rising by an estimated 7 percent, adding to a 14 percent increase in 2021. Many European countries are now expecting to continue using high levels of coal until at least 2023, as they face gas shortages and rising energy costs. In Germany, the financial officer of energy firm RWE, Michael Muller, said that the company will continue to burn more coal in the short-term to meet the country’s energy demand as it faces severe gas shortages. Germany has already recommissioned some of its coal-fired power plants, and RWE is expected to boost production further. Muller stated, “RWE is actively supporting the German government, or European governments, in managing the energy crisis.” He added, “so we’re also bringing back additional coal capacity to manage that situation.” Meanwhile, in the U.K., which pledged to close the doors of all its coal plants a year earlier than anticipated by 2024, energy firms are now being asked to ramp up their coal production to help the country avoid blackouts in the winter months. The closure of a coal-fired power station in Nottinghamshire will now be delayed and several other plants will be on standby to provide the National Grid with more power if required. At present, the delays are not threatening the U.K.’s 2024 goal, but if Europe sees energy shortages and high prices continue into the next year this could soon change. " here is the real reality ........ Coal is not ramping up..... ??? deadcat bounces will not serve you well. The cat is still dead with E.U. consumption rising by an estimated 7 percent, adding to a 14 percent increase in 2021..??????? and the reality form the article posted below....................In 2021 compared with 2018 (in Europe) , hard coal and brown coal (mostly lignite) consumption decreased by 27% and 25.5%, respectively. Anything looks good compared to 2020...remember 2020??? the year your master lead the world into an whopper of a recession (some would call 2020 a depression year) now add up your so called ramping up of 2022 and compare it to 2018 and you still have a decrease in consumption in Europe...Like I said a deadcat bounce........What does 7 percent added onto 57.2 million tonnes get you???? did it make up for the 2020 collapse????? Coal production and consumption see rebound in 2021 PrintCoal production and consumption see rebound in 2021 02/05/2022 In 2021, EU coal production and consumption saw an increase compared with 2020, experiencing a rebound following the low 2020 and 2019 values, which were partially caused by the measures related to the COVID-19 pandemic. However, production and consumption were still lower than the pre-pandemic 2018 figures. This affected both hard coal and brown coal. Following a consistent decline since 1990, the decrease in the consumption of both types of coal accelerated in 2019 and continued in 2020. In 2021 compared with 2018, hard coal and brown coal (mostly lignite) consumption decreased by 27% and 25.5%, respectively. However, the full extent of the pandemic’s influence on coal production and consumption will become clearer in the following years. Hard coal: EU production fell by more than three quarters since 1990 In 2021, the EU produced 57 million tonnes of hard coal (-79% compared with 1990). The number of Member States producing hard coal has also decreased since then, from 13 in 1990 to only 2 in 2021: Poland (96% of the total EU production) and Czechia (4%). Source datasets: nrg_cb_sff and nrg_cb_sffm Similarly, the consumption of hard coal has consistently decreased since 1990, with an accelerated decrease since 2019. In 2021, the EU consumption of hard coal stood at 160 million tonnes (-59% compared with 1990). The reasons behind lower consumption of hard coal are the energy shift towards natural gas and renewables for electricity production, as well as a decrease in the production of coke oven coke, used in various industries such as for the production of iron and steel. However, hard coal production experienced a larger decrease than the consumption, leading to an increase in hard coal import dependency, consistently above 50% in the 2010s. Over this last decade, Russia was the largest supplier of hard coal to the EU, and its share in EU hard coal imports increased while the share for other suppliers decreased or stayed stable. In 2020, the latest year with data available, Russia accounted for 56% of hard coal imports, followed by the United States (17%) and Australia (15%). Brown coal: the decline of lignite in the EU continues Similarly to hard coal, the continuous decrease of brown coal consumption has accelerated from 2019 onwards. In 2021, the EU consumption of brown coal, mostly lignite, is estimated at 277 million tonnes (-60% compared with 1990). The vast majority of brown coal in the EU is used for electricity production: during the 21st century, more than 90% of brown coal was used for this purpose. Source datasets: nrg_cb_sff and nrg_cb_sffm 97% of the total brown coal consumption in the EU is taken up by 6 countries: Germany (46%), Poland (19%), Czechia (11%), Bulgaria (10%), Romania (6%) and Greece (5%). The production and consumption figures for brown coal are very similar, as it is almost always consumed in the production countries. Thus, there is very little trade in brown coal and the EU’s import dependency for it is insignificant. Methodological notes: The 2021 figures are based on cumulated monthly data. Edited September 16, 2022 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM September 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said: In Germany, the financial officer of energy firm RWE, Michael Muller, said that the company will continue to burn more coal in the short-term to meet the country’s energy demand as it faces severe gas shortages. Germany has already recommissioned some of its coal-fired power plants, and RWE is expected to boost production further. Meanwhile, in the U.K., which pledged to close the doors of all its coal plants a year earlier than anticipated by 2024, energy firms are now being asked to ramp up their coal production to help the country avoid blackouts in the winter months. Not only have China’s coal imports from Russia risen in recent months but so have the country’s production levels. According to data from the National Bureau of Statistics, China mined 2.19 billion tonnes of coal from January to June, an increase of 11 percent year on year. China imports of coal, the world's biggest importer, are estimated falling to 182 million tonnes in 2022 and 176 million tonnes in 2023, from 246 million tonnes in 2021 Do you get excited over a falling in coal consumption in China in 2022 compared to 2021? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites