GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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36 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

USA literally has a holiday to celebrate the removal of monarchy.

Be careful now, suggestion to return power to the king is treason.

As stated long ago...you definitely are a tool. Let us not forget the foundations for the American revolution...Taxes.

 

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

As stated long ago...you definitely are a tool. Let us not forget the foundations for the American revolution...Taxes.

 

Perfect, perhaps we will use taxes to remove fossil fuels?

Careful now

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It's almost like unjust taxes indirectly promote independence from foreign influence.

You love a good "trade war" but only when you make believe your Chinese couch is Italian...

and unless your are in Italy it's still not MAGA - it's racism.  A made in China product with an Italian brand label is better than "made in USA?"  At least the Italian brand gets a cut of the money exploited from cheap Chinese labour.

Edited January 20, 2023 by TailingsPond

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

Perfect, perhaps we will use taxes to remove fossil fuels?

Careful now

I do believe the above statement is at the very foundation of this thread. One can only take heart it is now quite apparent the "we" have not only failed but are about to be exposed.

As stated much early, the drama has begun...enjoy the show.

https://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/commentary/do-chinese-donations-explain-bidens-energy-policies

Do Chinese Donations Explain Biden’s Energy Policies?

Americans have been left with higher costs and a weaker economy while China has gained a larger market for its “green energy” [products].

Major financial institutions are pressuring international development organizations, private corporations, and pension funds not to invest in conventional fuels.

The ongoing federal investigation into son Hunter’s multimillion-dollar Chinese business deals may give a clue as to why.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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Despite all of the mindless hysteria being whipped up by misinformed activists, nothing has changed in terms of energy production and funding.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/bank-funding-renewables-stagnates-vs-oil-gas-report-2023-01-24/

"Last year the share of renewable energy in funding 8% while in 2021 and 2020 it stood at 10% and 7% respectively."

Edited January 25, 2023 by Ecocharger

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On 1/20/2023 at 3:41 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

 Let us not forget the foundations for the American revolution...Taxes.

 

...without representation.

In addition, the British establishment of a monopoly of tea supply to "the colonies".

Additionally, the sudden change of quartering British Troops into the actual HOMES of colonists, rather than in barns or inns (paid for by the colonists) as it was prior to the Boston Harbor "incident".

There were multiple "foundations" for the revolution, and most do seem to be clustered around "money", rather than "independence".

Edited January 25, 2023 by turbguy

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Coal is still King, and India will ramp up its coal production.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/India-Plans-To-Double-Domestic-Coking-Coal-Output-By-2030.html

"India looks to double domestic production of coking coal before 2030.

Australian coke imports dropped over 18% from April to November to 23.6 million tons.

India is the world’s second-largest producer of crude steel."

Edited January 25, 2023 by Ecocharger

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While the share of renewable energy in bank funding relative to fossil fuel energy actually declined last year from 10% to 8%, the overall picture shows another story. Investments in the "energy transition" increased 31% to match fossil fuel investment. 

This stark disjunction between private bank funding as opposed to public funding shows how the average taxpayer is being fleeced to support an entirely unnecessary Green agenda.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Clean-Energy-Investment-Hit-11-Trillion-In-2022.html

"Investments in the energy transition jumped by 31% to hit $1.1 trillion last year.

“This marks the first time that global energy transition investment has matched fossil fuel investment” BloombergNEF said."

Edited January 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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22 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Coal is still King, and India will ramp up its coal production.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/India-Plans-To-Double-Domestic-Coking-Coal-Output-By-2030.html

"India looks to double domestic production of coking coal before 2030.

Australian coke imports dropped over 18% from April to November to 23.6 million tons.

India is the world’s second-largest producer of crude steel."

That is coal for steel production, far different from the low-grade coal only useful for energy. 

Coal for steel has a bright future, the garbage energy coal is going away; try not to confuse the two.

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You will see new mines looking for the top grades, and at the same time closures of the lower grade mines

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-are-types-coal

There are four major types (or “ranks”) of coal. Rank refers to steps in a slow, natural process called “coalification,” during which buried plant matter changes into an ever denser, drier, more carbon-rich, and harder material. The four ranks are:

• Anthracite: The highest rank of coal. It is a hard, brittle, and black lustrous coal, often referred to as hard coal, containing a high percentage of fixed carbon and a low percentage of volatile matter.
• Bituminous: Bituminous coal is a middle rank coal between subbituminous and anthracite. Bituminous coal usually has a high heating (Btu) value and is used in electricity generation and steel making in the United States. Bituminous coal is blocky and appears shiny and smooth when you first see it, but look closer and you might see it has thin, alternating, shiny and dull layers. 
• Subbituminous: Subbituminous coal is black in color and is mainly dull (not shiny). Subbituminous coal has low-to-moderate heating values and is mainly used in electricity generation.
• Lignite: Lignite coal, aka brown coal, is the lowest grade coal with the least concentration of carbon. Lignite has a low heating value and a high moisture content and is mainly used in electricity generation.

Edited January 27, 2023 by TailingsPond

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

That is coal for steel production, far different from the low-grade coal only useful for energy. 

Coal for steel has a bright future, the garbage energy coal is going away; try not to confuse the two.

Coal is a fossil fuel, fossil fuels are fossil fuels, regardless of what role they play in the manufacturing process.

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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The European attempt to move into renewables keeps foundering on reality.

https://www.cityam.com/britishvolt-fall-into-administration-buyer-update/

"Britishvolt has collapsed into administration, in a hammer blow to Britain’s hopes of building its own electric vehicle industry, after last-ditch rescue talks collapsed with several investors.

The moves made the majority of its 300 staff redundant, with the battery start-up filing for administration after its board ultimately decided there were no viable bids to keep the company afloat.

The future of Britishvolt has been in doubt for months, after it failed to secure further Government funds last October to build its £3.8bn gigafactory in Northumberland."

Edited January 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You will see new mines looking for the top grades, and at the same time closures of the lower grade mines

 

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-are-types-coal

There are four major types (or “ranks”) of coal. Rank refers to steps in a slow, natural process called “coalification,” during which buried plant matter changes into an ever denser, drier, more carbon-rich, and harder material. The four ranks are:

• Anthracite: The highest rank of coal. It is a hard, brittle, and black lustrous coal, often referred to as hard coal, containing a high percentage of fixed carbon and a low percentage of volatile matter.
• Bituminous: Bituminous coal is a middle rank coal between subbituminous and anthracite. Bituminous coal usually has a high heating (Btu) value and is used in electricity generation and steel making in the United States. Bituminous coal is blocky and appears shiny and smooth when you first see it, but look closer and you might see it has thin, alternating, shiny and dull layers. 
• Subbituminous: Subbituminous coal is black in color and is mainly dull (not shiny). Subbituminous coal has low-to-moderate heating values and is mainly used in electricity generation.
• Lignite: Lignite coal, aka brown coal, is the lowest grade coal with the least concentration of carbon. Lignite has a low heating value and a high moisture content and is mainly used in electricity generation.

Burning lignite is burning "dirt".

At least, Wyoming coal is a "step above" (Bituminous), although is has a lower heating value, the lower sulfur content permitted it's use throughout the US to avoid large "muffler" expenditures to avoid environmental issues (remember "acid rain"?).

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1 minute ago, turbguy said:

Burning lignite is burning "dirt".

At least, Wyoming coal is a "step above" (Bituminous), although is has a lower heating value, the lower sulfur content permitted it's use throughout the US to avoid large "muffler" expenditures to avoid environmental issues (remember "acid rain"?).

Coal burning is now clean, and coal for heating and electricity production is ramping up enormously in India and China.

Coal is still king.

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4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Coal is a fossil fuel, fossil fuels are fossil fuels, regardless of what role they play in the manufacturing process.

 

You do not burn metallurgical grade coal for it's energy.

Unless you are a fool.

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9 minutes ago, turbguy said:

You do not burn metallurgical grade coal for it's energy.

Unless you are a fool.

How do you make steel without coal, genius? Any ideas?

You have never heard of coal-fired blast furnaces?

Edited January 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Coal burning is now clean, and coal for heating and electricity production is ramping up enormously in India and China.

Coal is still king.

I cannot dispute the growth of coal usage in Chiba and India.

Have you ever been to a mine?

Have you ever walked a coal pile and seen its runnoff?

Have you ever been within an operating coal-fired powerhouse?

Coal will NEVER be "clean", although it is somewhat "cleaner" than decades ago.  IF you add Electrostatic precipitators/bag-houses, scrubbers, ammonia absorption catalysts, and deal with all the waste effluents those processes generate.

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8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

How do you make steel without coal, genius? Any ideas?

You don't.

You use coke.   A bi-product of coking coals. 

You don't use metallurgical grade coals under a boiler.

Unless you are a fool.

Edited January 26, 2023 by turbguy

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1 minute ago, turbguy said:

I cannot dispute the growth of coal usage in Chiba and India.

Have you ever been to a mine?

Have you ever walked a coal pile and seen its runnoff?

Have you ever been within an operating coal-fired powerhouse?

Coal will NEVER be "clean", although it is somewhat "cleaner" than decades ago.  IF you add Electrostatic precipitators/bag-houses, scrubbers, ammonia absorption catalysts, and deal with all the waste effluents those processes generate.

Have you never heard of coal-fired blast furnaces? I guess you haven't, judging from your statements above.

Let me educate you.

Coke has a dual role in the steelmaking process. First, it provides the heat needed to melt the ore, and second, when it is burnt, it has the effect of 'stealing' the oxygen from the iron ore, leaving only the pure iron behind. In the coking plant, coal is heated in the absence of oxygen to 1250c.

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Have you never heard of coal-fired blast furnaces? I guess you haven't, judging from your statements above.

Let me educate you.

Coke has a dual role in the steelmaking process. First, it provides the heat needed to melt the ore, and second, when it is burnt, it has the effect of 'stealing' the oxygen from the iron ore, leaving only the pure iron behind. In the coking plant, coal is heated in the absence of oxygen to 1250c.

Ever been to a coking plant? 

Better bring breathing apparatus.

Some blast furnaces supplement heat input with pulverized coal, but COKE provides most all of the input energy.  Before coke, charcoal was used (until the forests began to disappear).

Then there's the limestone to remove further impurities/dross and becomes slag.

End product-pig iron (not steel, yet, but close).

Edited January 27, 2023 by turbguy

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The forecast for future demand for oil is onward and upward, growth is the key to the future of oil. The Green hysteria will subside and reality will emerge.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Why-Oil-Wont-Trade-Above-100-This-Year.html

 "Energy experts at Energy Intelligence Group have predicted that not only will oil demand grow in 2023 but it will continue doing so till the end of the decade. 

According to the analyst, global oil demand will grow to 101.2 million barrels per day in the current year and will continue growing to hit 106 mb/d by 2030. Global oil demand will grow by 1.5 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for 650,000 b/d after the country abandoned its rigorous zero-Covid policy. Indeed, this year’s average will top the previous high of 100.6 mb/d set in 2019. 

While this is great news for the oil bulls, the expert says that growth will primarily be driven by petrochemicals rather than transport fuels, and has also said that its base case is a plateau rather than a decline. Actually,  Energy Intelligence is not the only bull here. OPEC, Exxon Mobil (NYSE: XOM) and the Energy Information Administration (EIA), have all predicted that global oil demand will actually grow as we go along and not shrink as many analysts have forecast."

Edited January 27, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Petroleum products (of all sorts) will be in demand, for quite some time.  I don't see an obvious endgame to eliminating that outcome.  Transportation fuels, and space heating uses, will be in decline for the foreseeable future.  I don't know  the slope of the decline, but it will occur, unless there is a price-parity with alternatives.

I remember back in the 80s or 90s, there actually were decent arguments that the renewable technologies were just not that great. Electric cars were a pipe dream. But all of that has changed. And some conservative minds have not.

Because renewable energy is “green”, and “green” means “environmental”, and “environmental” means acknowledging climate change. Therefore, solar and wind are bad.

The greatest enemy of the conservative isn't the liberal. The greatest enemy of the conservative is the concept of being wrong. Almost everything they oppose, they oppose because not opposing it means they were wrong about it. And being wrong about it would cause them discomfort, or social/financial harm.

Conservatives discourage change, and this modern era changes, and changes very quickly.

And, change is accelerating.

Edited January 27, 2023 by turbguy

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

How do you make steel without coal, genius? Any ideas?

You have never heard of coal-fired blast furnaces?

How do you make steel without coal???

 

DRI

Head to Toledo and the tallest structure in town....DRI

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6 hours ago, turbguy said:

Petroleum products (of all sorts) will be in demand, for quite some time.  I don't see an obvious endgame to eliminating that outcome.  Transportation fuels, and space heating uses, will be in decline for the foreseeable future.  I don't know  the slope of the decline, but it will occur, unless there is a price-parity with alternatives.

I remember back in the 80s or 90s, there actually were decent arguments that the renewable technologies were just not that great. Electric cars were a pipe dream. But all of that has changed. And some conservative minds have not.

Because renewable energy is “green”, and “green” means “environmental”, and “environmental” means acknowledging climate change. Therefore, solar and wind are bad.

The greatest enemy of the conservative isn't the liberal. The greatest enemy of the conservative is the concept of being wrong. Almost everything they oppose, they oppose because not opposing it means they were wrong about it. And being wrong about it would cause them discomfort, or social/financial harm.

Conservatives discourage change, and this modern era changes, and changes very quickly.

And, change is accelerating.

Renewables are dependent on massive public funding, which would bankrupt any nation on this planet. That is not a practicable route forward for the electrical path of tomorrow, there are capacity limits both physically and financially.

Further, the massive public commitment to support electrification is based on a false public hysteria over a mistaken climate model, attributing climate change to CO2 levels, a hypothesis which is easily disproven. Reality will prevail long before the renewables and the the onerous and unsustainable financial commitments to renewables begin to cause serious pain to already overstretched government budgets.

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

How do you make steel without coal???

 

DRI

Head to Toledo and the tallest structure in town....DRI

Since when is natural gas not a fossil fuel?