bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 26, 2023 Ecocharger, Echochamber. Odd so similar. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, turbguy said: What you note has some truth. What people say here is that the subsidy is "paid for buy the taxpayers". It is not. Everyone pays for the subsidy through a reduced real national income, and everyone pays taxes which ultimately cover the costs. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Remember this whenever you use geological records of earths climate history in an attempt to negate anthropogenic climate change. "Forty years old" data is nothing in geological time. You seem to be out of touch, the data which I referenced on earth history is of many millenia. The CO2 theorists are the ones who rely on just a few short decades to extrapolate their nonsense. For Uranus there is only the simple one-time data from about forty years ago, completely worthless for building or testing any theories. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 February 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Any subsidy to industry distorts the economy and frustrates the normal allocation of productive resources. This results in an economy which does not respond to the needs of consumers but rather to the philosophical dictates of an irresponsible elite class. End result is a disastrous reduction in the standard of living for the average Joe non-Biden. This is probably circumstancial. For example, in developing countries, government co-owns oil and gas companies. By subsidy, it actually means paying part of the expenditure incurred. If we put it in numbers, - the costs of production of a litre of oil is $ 1. - margin of profit is $ 0.50, selling price = $1.50 - dividend = 0.05 - government tax rate ~ 30% By owning the companies, governments are paying part of the costs of operation/ production. Govs gain profit, dividend, tax etc in return of owning part of the companies. It is hence, a common duty of co-owning something, not a privileged of the people or the companies. But the term used is subsidy after privatization, with a co-owning status.h The west has privately owned entities. Therefore, the scenario is different. Gov does not own them. From the taxes received, gov provides rebates to the companies so that citizens can live comfortably. The term social responsibility, that takes care of basic essential needs of citizens, is used. Not a waste or economy distortion. But equally a responsibility of the gov. On the contrary, without this, living standard of the west would be declining drastically, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 February 26, 2023 (edited) On 2/24/2023 at 1:47 AM, notsonice said: Pyranometer Silicone is established material. Owing to the surface area used in pyranometer, it is common to link that to increase surface area involved to increase power or something like that. Have been intrigued by how lightning is happening. It happens when there is rain (water), possibly mineral contents and a attracting pole. For example, a) lightning in rainy day needs: water, earth with downward strikes b) lightning over a volcano needs: water vapour, electropositive minerals from core of earth, with upward strikes c) location hit most by lightning is lake Maracaibo Venezuela and Texas. Read something interesting when young i.e. magnetic pole of northern hemisphere is located near Hudson bay. If it is safe to assume lightning is conducted most by the magnetic pole, then, we could probably deduce that magnet and it's compound minerals could attract electrons emitted from the sun or gathered in the sky. If lightning can produce few thousands to few hundred millions volts of electricity, and it can be induced to happen on a fixed spot, efficiency can be increased, area required reduced? Shall strength of conductivity is controlled or adjusted, visible lightning and danger can be reduced? Edited February 26, 2023 by specinho 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 February 26, 2023 13 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Everyone pays for the subsidy through a reduced real national income, and everyone pays taxes which ultimately cover the costs. Keep in mind. Not everyone pays taxes. Just us common folk. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 26, 2023 Antarctic sea ice hit record lows again. Scientists wonder if it’s ‘the beginning of the end’ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 February 26, 2023 20 hours ago, bloodman33 said: Antarctic sea ice hit record lows again. Scientists wonder if it’s ‘the beginning of the end’ Meanwhile, antarctic glaciers are getting thicker... and kicker Summer extent vrs winter in antarctic barely changes unlike the arctic. Saying "lowest" on record, I have to wonder which technique is being used... same as in 1980 maximum while ignoring 1970's data? Doubt it, as the arctic methods have changed several times and every time the method "changed" sea ice extent got smaller... When "new" methods of measurement always bias in a single direction you had better question the method... 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 26, 2023 echo chamber of stupidity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, bloodman33 said: echo chamber of stupidity. Meanwhile in reality: https://www.antarcticajournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/151030220523_1_900x600.jpg Over a period which claimed they were shrinking... In reality after the political Bull Shit has moved on...Antarctica glaciers are massively growing and has continued to this day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 27, 2023 You are referencing an article that is over 8 year old echo chamber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 27, 2023 Actually you did not even reference an article, you linked to a map. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP February 27, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 5:05 PM, Ecocharger said: You do not have enormous energy taxes on fossil fuels and gasoline? https://www.uhy.com/european-companies-face-taxes-on-fuel-18-higher-than-world-average/ "The cost of filling a tank of a Ford Transit with diesel is 24% higher on average in European countries. As diesel is used in the majority of commercial vehicles, this heavy burden is borne primarily by businesses. It is also 2% more expensive in Europe for Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG), a more environmentally-friendly alternative to petrol or diesel. Bernard Fay, Chairman of UHY, comments: “Higher fuel taxes hit almost all businesses, and they can ultimately impede economic growth.”" https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63089222 "The European Union has agreed to impose emergency measures to charge energy firms on their record profits. Ministers have agreed windfall taxes on certain energy companies as well as mandatory cuts in electricity use. The plan includes a levy on fossil fuel firms' surplus profits and a levy on excess revenues made from surging electricity costs." "You do not have enormous energy taxes on fossil fuels and gasoline?" Yes of course we do but we always have! Duties/taxes on fuel havent changed at all so I dont see what your point is?? The reason energy costs have gone through the roof and are driving inflation sky high is the war in Ukraine, and this as your well aware drove NG prices sky high. Fortunately these have now come down but the reduced NG prices havent filtered through to consumers as of yet and probably wont for 3-4 months. Yes there are windfall taxes on record profits the oil majors are making, this is something I dont agree with, but Joe public who are deciding whether to heat or eat are demanding it. Renewables ARENT the reason prices are so high it is all to do with NG and Ukraine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL February 27, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rob Plant said: "You do not have enormous energy taxes on fossil fuels and gasoline?" Yes of course we do but we always have! Duties/taxes on fuel havent changed at all so I dont see what your point is?? The reason energy costs have gone through the roof and are driving inflation sky high is the war in Ukraine, and this as your well aware drove NG prices sky high. Fortunately these have now come down but the reduced NG prices havent filtered through to consumers as of yet and probably wont for 3-4 months. Yes there are windfall taxes on record profits the oil majors are making, this is something I dont agree with, but Joe public who are deciding whether to heat or eat are demanding it. Renewables ARENT the reason prices are so high it is all to do with NG and Ukraine. There is always a price to pay for higher energy taxes, including windfall taxes. The taxes introduce an economic distortion into markets and reduce standards of living. The rationale for these crippling fossil fuel taxes is linked to the Green "transition" agenda, it has become a religious crusade in the UK. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Oil-And-Gas-Industry-Warns-Windfall-Tax-Will-Hurt-Energy-Security.html "The new head of Offshore Energies UK has warned that the higher tax rates are already hitting offshore companies hard. Last autumn, the UK raised the windfall tax for oil and gas operators to 35%, bringing the oil and gas sector’s total tax rate to 75%. Companies are already slashing investment in the UK energy system, which could leave the UK increasingly dependent on imports." Edited February 27, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP February 28, 2023 13 hours ago, Ecocharger said: There is always a price to pay for higher energy taxes, including windfall taxes. The taxes introduce an economic distortion into markets and reduce standards of living. The rationale for these crippling fossil fuel taxes is linked to the Green "transition" agenda, it has become a religious crusade in the UK. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Oil-And-Gas-Industry-Warns-Windfall-Tax-Will-Hurt-Energy-Security.html "The new head of Offshore Energies UK has warned that the higher tax rates are already hitting offshore companies hard. Last autumn, the UK raised the windfall tax for oil and gas operators to 35%, bringing the oil and gas sector’s total tax rate to 75%. Companies are already slashing investment in the UK energy system, which could leave the UK increasingly dependent on imports." Eco as I stated before I dont agree with the windfall taxes, but these are across Europe not just the UK due to the exhorbitant price of NG and the profits the oil & gas majors have made from the huge price hike because of the war in Ukraine. There are loads of different energy projects happening in the UK including nuclear Hinkley point C (under construction) Sizewell C which has had the green light to start from the government, theres even a nuclear fusion project being built. Then there's wind which are huge projects dwarfing what we already have (which is a lot) There are loads of hydrogen projects, Notsonice posted a pumped storage project recently etc etc. FF projects will aslo carry on as we still need NG but hopefully we will become a little more independent here as we import most of this from Norway, so I dont see how the UK becomes more dependent on imports on NG when that is what we do now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 February 28, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 4:07 AM, bloodman33 said: Antarctic sea ice hit record lows again. Scientists wonder if it’s ‘the beginning of the end’ On 2/27/2023 at 5:33 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said: Meanwhile, antarctic glaciers are getting thicker... and kicker Summer extent vrs winter in antarctic barely changes unlike the arctic. Saying "lowest" on record, I have to wonder which technique is being used... same as in 1980 maximum while ignoring 1970's data? Doubt it, as the arctic methods have changed several times and every time the method "changed" sea ice extent got smaller... When "new" methods of measurement always bias in a single direction you had better question the method... It's Summer in southern hemisphere where antarctica is located........ If ice doesn't melt at 38'C, what would it do? '-' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 28, 2023 Definition of insanity. I'm trolling you guys. They still respond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL February 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, bloodman33 said: Definition of insanity. I'm trolling you guys. They still respond. Stick around. You might actually learn something new to tweak your usual stance of intellectual submission to the powers that be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL February 28, 2023 (edited) Welcome to California, all that global warming is bringing the heavy heat on the people. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-02-23/winter-storm-hits-southern-california-rain-ice-and-snow "A frigid winter storm barreled into California on Friday, bringing sea-level snow along the coast at Eureka and whiteout conditions in the Sierra as well as bursts of hail, snow and rain in Southern California that are expected to worsen considerably over the next two days. Citing dangerous conditions, Caltrans closed Interstate 5 through the Grapevine early Friday. It is unclear how long the closure will last. Cold temperatures brought snow, hail and graupel to unusually low elevations of the Southland, including at the Hollywood sign, slicking mountain roadways and spurring some school districts to cancel classes ahead of possible blizzard conditions." Edited February 28, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM February 28, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 11:25 AM, Ecocharger said: You need new spectacles, old man. Auto production increased from 1932 to 1936, which was the height of the Depression. You seem to have trouble with that simple fact. Oil demand today remains robust, the highest level ever. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Global-Oil-Demand-Hit-Record-High-In-December.html "In December, global crude oil demand jumped to 1.3 million barrels per day, the highest level on record. While global demand soared in December, production fell to a five-month low due to lower supply from the U.S. and UK. The growth in demand in December was mainly driven by higher consumption in Japan, Indonesia, and South Korea." Peak Coal happened in 2013/14 Peak Oil happened in 2019 and now Peak Fossil Fuels 2025 or in other words Peak Nat Gas 2025 Fossil Fuel Emissions Projected To Peak In 2025 By Rystad Energy - Feb 27, 2023, 11:00 AM CST Direct CO2 emissions from power and heat generation will peak this year. Fossil CO2 emissions reached an all-time high of about 38.3 Gtpa last year. The power and heating sector is expected to drive the upcoming fossil CO2 decline from mid-decade onwards. While Europe, the US and China make progress, India’s emissions grow. Enjoy the article and the transition, I am https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Fossil-Fuel-Emissions-Projected-To-Peak-In-2025.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 March 1, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57C8WWTdEA JUST IN: Joe Manchin Hammers Biden Over ESG Rule, Blasts Administration's 'Liberal Policy Agenda' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL March 1, 2023 (edited) On 2/28/2023 at 3:41 PM, notsonice said: Peak Coal happened in 2013/14 Peak Oil happened in 2019 and now Peak Fossil Fuels 2025 or in other words Peak Nat Gas 2025 Fossil Fuel Emissions Projected To Peak In 2025 By Rystad Energy - Feb 27, 2023, 11:00 AM CST Direct CO2 emissions from power and heat generation will peak this year. Fossil CO2 emissions reached an all-time high of about 38.3 Gtpa last year. The power and heating sector is expected to drive the upcoming fossil CO2 decline from mid-decade onwards. While Europe, the US and China make progress, India’s emissions grow. Enjoy the article and the transition, I am https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Fossil-Fuel-Emissions-Projected-To-Peak-In-2025.html Peak oil will not happen in your lifetime or mine, we are now reaching all-time high levels of oil demand, and that trend will continue. Read 'em and weep. Edited March 1, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 83 LT March 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57C8WWTdEA JUST IN: Joe Manchin Hammers Biden Over ESG Rule, Blasts Administration's 'Liberal Policy Agenda' And...??? BTW, they forgot the word "Woke" before "Liberal Policy Agenda." Edited March 2, 2023 by Polyphia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM March 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Peak oil will not happen in your lifetime or mine, we are now reaching all-time high levels of oil demand, and that trend will continue. Read 'em and weep. I see you got an upvote from one of your dimwitted pals.... Did you read the article???? it was posted on Oilprice.......are they just trolling you??? ha ha ha Peak oil happened .... nowhere to go but down..... Check out the graphs in the article???? so sad for you In My lifetime Oil will drop by 50 percent maybe for those who are about to checkout in the next year they will be at peak oil (maybe matching 2019, THE PEAK, at best in their last year What was production in 2019 100 million BPD....what was it in 2022 99 BPD you see that the peak has been achieved.....no growth at all Enjoy the article ....I am sure you will weep kissing away your dear Oil .... I am enjoying the transition and the Clean air that is happening... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ March 2, 2023 The real fact is the oil industry will be on life support in the US within 20 years. Why? The refinery infrastructure is becoming ancient. Nobody wants a new refinery near them. We will become like Venezuela. it has the largest oil reserves in the world and very little way to refine it. The refinery result is the same, the reasons why are different. We will have to ship the oil to other countries to have it refined, then then have it shipped back. And that is why you should buy TNK, STNG, DHT, and SFL.....LOL. That is a fact ecofunkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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