turbguy + 1,556 April 19, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, so now you agree, no the PNW is NOT an exporter... Oh wait... you never admitted to being an idiot yet... so guess you are still a child. Then if you wished to ONLY compare hydro to NG, my ratio is about right though not perfect and a bit too high in WA's case but not in Oregon's case. On top of that you used 1 month... and jumped over to only electricity production. Big boys use 1 year if they argue in good faith and use total, not a subset. But hey, not that I expected you to admit your bald faced statements. Instead try to wriggle out on a technicality. Washington: https://www.eia.gov/state/print.php?sid=WA Oregon: https://www.eia.gov/state/print.php?sid=OR 1st graph is all one needs. Damn its about time to add another bald faced liar to the ignore list. Next lie you go on that list. Life is too damned short. You DO know what these red arrows, which are negative numbers, mean, no? (from the pages YOU posted)... BTW, 75 trillion BTU's is about 22 GWh, and 250 trillion BTU's is about 70 GWh. Edited April 19, 2023 by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 19, 2023 8 hours ago, notsonice said: and the price of crude slides down again today..... hmmmm.....lack of demand Only way to raise the price is.... Cut output again OPEC will have no choice nut to cut again can we say a bust in 2023 demand.... less than 99.7 million BPD for 2023 less than 99.7 million BPD for 2024 and 2025....oh boy EV sales at 25 million units Oil demand joins coal in the endless slide down down down Biden & Co. calling for a 34% increase in oil production through 2050.....a long term plan for an oil-based economy. The sunshine of reality has broken through the Oval Office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 19, 2023 7 hours ago, notsonice said: the great boom in 2023 oil demand is a bust...China trucking traffic is down 8% as their economy is in a real estate recession The FED is in charge Fuel that powers the global economy is flashing recession signs 4 min read . Updated: 16 Apr 2023, 09:38 PM ISTBloomberg The drop in diesel demand can be tied to trucking, which uses about 60% of diesel in China and more than 70% in the US (Photo: Reuters) The demand drop comes after China’s manufacturing activity eased unexpectedly in March, according to a private survey, leading a slide in factory gauges across Asia Signs of an economic slowdown are flashing in the global diesel market eric In China, the number of trucks running on highways is noticeably down in recent weeks. In Europe, diesel’s premium to crude futures recently plunged to the lowest level in more than a year. In the US, demand is on track to contract 2% in 2023, S&P Global Inc. says. Excluding 2020, when much of the economy briefly came to a standstill, that 2% slump would be the biggest drop in America’s diesel use since 2016. No matter how you crunch it, demand for the heavy-machinery fuel that powers everything from commercial trucking fleets to construction equipment is weakening in many of the world’s largest economies. Viewed as an early signal of weaker industrial activity and reduced consumer spending, the pullback has recession-watchers on high alert.“Diesel demand can act as a leading indicator for broader growth as an early sign that spending by households is waning," said Ben Ayers, a senior economist in the US with Nationwide Economics. “An expected drop in diesel demand fits with building recession risks across the economy." Once the world’s hottest fuel after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine disrupted trade flows, diesel prices have been coming down amid concerns many of the world’s biggest economies have bumpy roads ahead. Economists say there’s a 65% chance of a US recession and a 49% chance of a European one within the next year. In China, the risk is lower but the country’s recovery from its formerly harsh Covid-19 restrictions will still require a marked improvement in consumer confidence, and fast. Much of the pullback in diesel demand can be tied to trucking, which consumes about 60% of diesel in China and more than 70% in the US. The number of trucks running on Chinese highways fell 8% in the week ended April 9, according to data tracked by China’s Ministry of Transport. Commercial diesel stockpiles nationwide excluding state refineries ballooned to an eight-month high in early April, according to OilChem data. The demand drop comes after China’s manufacturing activity eased unexpectedly in March, according to a private survey, leading a slide in factory gauges across Asia. Emerging markets in the region including Indonesia — where the government has started cutting subsidies for fuel — are also seeing demand weaken as growth slows, said Daphne Ho, senior analyst at Wood Mackenzie. Your evaluation of economic data is past naive...recessions come and go, they are short-term phenomena. Long-term ramp up of oil production by a whopping 34% shows the dependency of the American economy on fossil fuels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rob Plant said: The WCA have produced a policy brief on the recently released IEA’s Coal 2022 report. https://www.worldcoal.org/policy-brief-iea-coal-2022/ MAIN FINDINGS Global coal consumption is set to rise 1.2% in 2022 to reach an all-time high of more than 8 gigatonnes (Gt), exceeding the previous record set in 2013. Global coal-fired power generation is set to rise to a new record of around 10.3 terawatt-hours (TWh), while coal production is forecast to rise by 5.4% to around 8.3 billion tonnes. It forecasts the world’s coal consumption will remain flat to 2025 -the time horizon for the report- in the absence of stronger efforts to accelerate the transition to clean energy. Higher natural gas prices amid the global energy crisis led to an increased reliance on coal for generating power, but slowing economic growth reduced electricity demand and industrial output. In China, the world’s largest coal consumer, drought forced a shortage of renewable power and increased demand for coal power generation during the summer, despite strict Covid-19 restrictions slowing demand. In Europe, gas prices and similar shortages in renewables during the summer of 2022 led countries to turn to cheaper coal power, as cooling for nuclear power was compromised in countries like France and hydropower output was weaker. The report predicts coal consumption will remain flat between 2022 and 2025; a decline in mature markets in Europe and North America will be offset by strong demand in emerging Asian economies. This means coal will continue to be the global energy system’s largest single source of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. The largest increase in coal demand is expected to be in India at 7%, followed by the European Union at 6% and China at 0.4%. Europe’s coal demand has risen due to more switching from gas to coal due to high gas prices and as Russian gas has reduced to a trickle. However, by 2025 European coal demand is expected to decline below 2022 levels, the report claims. Production is expected to reach a peak by 2025 when the IEA believe it will fall below 2022 levels. The three largest coal producers – China, India and Indonesia – will all hit production records this year but there is no sign of surging investment in export-driven coal projects. This reflects caution among investors and mining companies about the medium- and longer-term prospects for coal, the report claims. It must be stressed that this is from the world coal association website so you cant get much more PRO COAL than that! Even they are saying that production will flatline through to 2025 and then fall below 2022 levels. What we do know is that coal production is at an all-time high and demand is currently increasing in spite of the concerns over a possible short-term recession. Coal is still King. Edited April 19, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: What we do know is that coal production is at an all-time high and demand is currently increasing in spite of the concerns over a possible short-term recession. Coal is still King. Coal is King??????not anymore Peak Coal was 2013 and since then it has gone nowhere on a tonnage basis........ 2013 is still the peak and new Electricity production.....ALL FROM RENEWABLES what is the percent of renewables use in your house today 20 Percent??? 30 Percent???? and growing everyday In the US no one is building Coal powered plants All you see is Coal being demolished Enjoy , Renewables are taken over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 19, 2023 What is happening to Oil Demand????? Brent is crashing again Less than $83 oh those pesky EV's and renewables......Just destructive to Oil Demand Can we say $80 Brent by the end of this month again????? No new demand for Oil........Peak Oil happened in 2019 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 19, 2023 48 minutes ago, notsonice said: Coal is King??????not anymore Peak Coal was 2013 and since then it has gone nowhere on a tonnage basis........ 2013 is still the peak and new Electricity production.....ALL FROM RENEWABLES what is the percent of renewables use in your house today 20 Percent??? 30 Percent???? and growing everyday In the US no one is building Coal powered plants All you see is Coal being demolished Enjoy , Renewables are taken over You having number problems AGAIN? Some people are really slow learners, but that's okay because you are in good company with your liberal friends. Let me enlighten you again about King Coal, which is roaring ahead to record numbers. https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/declining-coal-prices-reflect-reshaping-global-energy-trade#:~:text=Global production reached an all,domestic consumption and logistic constraints. "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 19, 2023 46 minutes ago, notsonice said: What is happening to Oil Demand????? Brent is crashing again Less than $83 oh those pesky EV's and renewables......Just destructive to Oil Demand Can we say $80 Brent by the end of this month again????? No new demand for Oil........Peak Oil happened in 2019 Biden & Co. calling for a 34% increase in oil production through 2050.....a long term plan for an oil-based economy. The sunshine of reality has broken through the Oval Office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 19, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Biden & Co. calling for a 34% increase in oil production through 2050.....a long term plan for an oil-based economy. The sunshine of reality has broken through the Oval Office. lol you have nothing but BS babble an increase in long term in Oil Demand above 2019 Peak oil.... Ain't going to happen not in 2023 nor 2024 nor 2025 nor ever Price of Crude today....sliding into the dumpster same as demand 2023 the year that Oil demand went nowhere Now I do remember you pumping $130 Brent last July....how did that work out for you?????? Edited April 19, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You having number problems AGAIN? Some people are really slow learners, but that's okay because you are in good company with your liberal friends. Let me enlighten you again about King Coal, which is roaring ahead to record numbers. https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/declining-coal-prices-reflect-reshaping-global-energy-trade#:~:text=Global production reached an all,domestic consumption and logistic constraints. "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " I posted the numbers...yet you keep ignoring them Peak Coal happened in 2013 at 8,225 Million Metric Tonnes what do you have..... praying for China to use more coal????? ha ha ha they are in a real estate recession, bad one at that Enjoy the transition, The King of Coal is on life support and is checking out tombstones..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 475 April 20, 2023 (edited) Edited April 20, 2023 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 24, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 5:20 PM, notsonice said: lol you have nothing but BS babble an increase in long term in Oil Demand above 2019 Peak oil.... Ain't going to happen not in 2023 nor 2024 nor 2025 nor ever Price of Crude today....sliding into the dumpster same as demand 2023 the year that Oil demand went nowhere Now I do remember you pumping $130 Brent last July....how did that work out for you?????? Biden & Co. calling for a 34% increase in oil production through 2050 to keep America on the road (that is an asphalt road, derived from oil). The White House war against fossil fuel is officially over and done. You may borrow my handkerchief again, which is getting wet with your tears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 24, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 5:24 PM, notsonice said: I posted the numbers...yet you keep ignoring them Peak Coal happened in 2013 at 8,225 Million Metric Tonnes what do you have..... praying for China to use more coal????? ha ha ha they are in a real estate recession, bad one at that Enjoy the transition, The King of Coal is on life support and is checking out tombstones..... You having number problems AGAIN? Some people are really slow learners, but that's okay because you are in good company with your liberal friends. Let me enlighten you again about King Coal, which is roaring ahead to record numbers. https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/declining-coal-prices-reflect-reshaping-global-energy-trade#:~:text=Global production reached an all,domestic consumption and logistic constraints. "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You having number problems AGAIN? Some people are really slow learners, but that's okay because you are in good company with your liberal friends. Let me enlighten you again about King Coal, which is roaring ahead to record numbers. https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/declining-coal-prices-reflect-reshaping-global-energy-trade#:~:text=Global production reached an all,domestic consumption and logistic constraints. "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " How many tonnes??????? your still have no numbers....... all you have is a post on a blog with no numbers... You keep failing to post real numbers here it is again 2013 at 8,225 Million Metric Tonnes would is your number????? you are so slow you can not post a number for 2022....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Biden & Co. calling for a 34% increase in oil production through 2050 to keep America on the road (that is an asphalt road, derived from oil). The White House war against fossil fuel is officially over and done. You may borrow my handkerchief again, which is getting wet with your tears. And Brent Crude today......my my what happened to the great 2023 demand increase..... Brent is dropping through the floor....under $80 by the end of today????? How much more will the Saudis cut........... early morning overseas trading.....thats right....Far east demand is absent again....Crude is dropping fast....no one seems to need any Pesky Renewables....Sun and Wind are free for the using Enjoy the Transition , I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: And Brent Crude today......my my what happened to the great 2023 demand increase..... Brent is dropping through the floor....under $80 by the end of today????? How much more will the Saudis cut........... early morning overseas trading.....thats right....Far east demand is absent again....Crude is dropping fast....no one seems to need any Pesky Renewables....Sun and Wind are free for the using Enjoy the Transition , I am You have real problems with this, Biden & Co. have now thrown in the towel and called for a huge increase of 34% in oil production. The fight is over, you can borrow my handkerchief and weep some more. America will continue to be transported by fossil fuel personal vehicles. Edited April 24, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, notsonice said: How many tonnes??????? your still have no numbers....... all you have is a post on a blog with no numbers... You keep failing to post real numbers here it is again 2013 at 8,225 Million Metric Tonnes would is your number????? you are so slow you can not post a number for 2022....... Bottom line is this, "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194 April 24, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 6:42 AM, turbguy said: You DO know what these red arrows, which are negative numbers, mean, no? (from the pages YOU posted)... BTW, 75 trillion BTU's is about 22 GWh, and 250 trillion BTU's is about 70 GWh. Are you this dumb? Dumb question... YOU stated, PNW exports power via hydro. It does not. It imports power via burning those fossil fuels and occasionally during spring melt season has some excess power they send back to BC and generally to Idaho, Montana etc. Keep moving those goal posts eventually you will circle the earth back to your statements. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,556 April 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Are you this dumb? Dumb question... YOU stated, PNW exports power via hydro. It does not. It imports power via burning those fossil fuels and occasionally during spring melt season has some excess power they send back to BC and generally to Idaho, Montana etc. Keep moving those goal posts eventually you will circle the earth back to your statements. You DO know what these red arrows, which are negative numbers, mean, no? BTW, California has a good stake in some of the state's generation. Edited April 24, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM April 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Bottom line is this, "Global production reached an all-time high in 2022. China increased output by 11% compared to 2021, while production in India rose by 16%. In the United States, coal production increased by 3% in 2022, despite the decrease in domestic consumption and logistic constraints. In Indonesia, production has increased to 4% above its annual target. " and yet you have no numbers...... all you can do is pray for is a dead cat bounce......hoping for a number the same as 2013/14 In 10 years you have not yet shown any increase...... at the same time electricity production is up over 22 percent worldwide in the last 10 years keep praying for your dead cat bounce ....reality Coal is doomed Thanks to Wind and Solar , enjoy the transition....I am PS love the US chart.......remember we Lead in the US we do not follow........ Renewables are now bigger than Coal in the US and that only took a few years the rest of the world will follow...Unless you are a slow dimwitted Russian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194 April 25, 2023 5 hours ago, turbguy said: You DO know what these red arrows, which are negative numbers, mean, no? BTW, California has a good stake in some of the state's generation. Ah, 10 -1 = ? Suggest retaking kindergarten Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL April 25, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, notsonice said: and yet you have no numbers...... all you can do is pray for is a dead cat bounce......hoping for a number the same as 2013/14 In 10 years you have not yet shown any increase...... at the same time electricity production is up over 22 percent worldwide in the last 10 years keep praying for your dead cat bounce ....reality Coal is doomed Thanks to Wind and Solar , enjoy the transition....I am PS love the US chart.......remember we Lead in the US we do not follow........ Renewables are now bigger than Coal in the US and that only took a few years the rest of the world will follow...Unless you are a slow dimwitted Russian Coal production plans to increase. The numbers speak for themselves. https://www.iea.org/news/the-world-s-coal-consumption-is-set-to-reach-a-new-high-in-2022-as-the-energy-crisis-shakes-markets "Global coal demand is set to increase only marginally in 2022 but enough to push it to an all-time high amid the energy crisis, according to a new IEA report, which forecasts the world’s coal consumption will remain at similar levels in the following years in the absence of stronger efforts to accelerate the transition to clean energy. Global coal use is set to rise by 1.2% in 2022, surpassing 8 billion tonnes in a single year for the first time and eclipsing the previous record set in 2013, according to Coal 2022, the IEA’s latest annual market report on the sector. " Edited April 25, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194 April 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Coal production plans to increase. The numbers speak for themselves. Nah, nobrain thinks the USA (where NG is ~free) is the world. A world starving for power who has little NG, but does have coal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,556 April 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, 10 -1 = ? Suggest retaking kindergarten 9 The net interstate flow of electricity is the difference between the amount of electricity that is generated in a state and the amount of electricity that is consumed in that state. If a state generates more electricity than it consumes internally, it is a net exporter of electricity. Here's a simple example: If State A generates 1,000 megawatt hours (MWh) of electricity and consumes 800 MWh, while State B generates 500 MWh and consumes 1,000 MWh, the net interstate flow of electricity would be from State A to State B, since State A has a surplus of 200 MWh, which is exported to State B to help satisfy demand. Edited April 25, 2023 by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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