GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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8 hours ago, notsonice said:

r major increase in oil demand going forward.????

yet the Saudis have to to cut production again as the market is oversupplied in oil. Pesky EVs do not burn oil....enjoy and oil today...still falling same as demand..............China recession is not helping  your oil demand increases babble any help

You are very shortsighted, get some spectacles. Biden claims oil demand to increase through 2050.

If I were you, I would believe your own guy.

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10 hours ago, notsonice said:

real debt info and real GDP info and you state The government no longer counts all the factors it has in the past???? based on what....you really are unable to deal with the facts that the ratio is going down under Biden so you babble .....The government no longer counts all the factors it has in the past.????????

Pure BS

 

the real debt includes payments due for interest

GDP goes up faster than the debt and you get a government that is more able to pay back what it owes ....so simple

Now you do understand how the Fed monitized 7 trillion dollars in debt and the fed collects the interest from the Treasury and any profit that the Fed makes is given back to the Treasury....and now you know how the government gets more money debt free......unlike a family

Oh and the Dollar stronger than ever...you really need to pay more attention

 

 

Interesting points, unfortunately you are wrong on the conclusions as they affect the average working family or person. Please see the video below or shadowstats.com for full information. The dollar is worth less than ever, even though the other currencies may be even worse. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7AvsIXR88Q

The TRUE Inflation Rate is EXPLODING (CPI 17.3%)

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16 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Very interesting. Thank you for that info. The problem is that real inflation is rising at a rapid rate. The government no longer counts all the factors it has in the past. The dollar is worth less than ever. We have to pay interest on the national debt. If big spenders like Trump and Biden do not make government leaner we will have a major recession. GDP is inflated just as everything else is. The government is not any different than a family, it cannot spend more than it takes in and remain solvent forever. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7AvsIXR88Q

The TRUE Inflation Rate is EXPLODING (CPI 17.3%)

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16 hours ago, turbguy said:

Ahh.  But that platinum coin!

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7AvsIXR88Q

The TRUE Inflation Rate is EXPLODING (CPI 17.3%)

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16 hours ago, turbguy said:

Agreed.  Even better, outside the residence (same with a battery) in a separate structure.

True. 

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On 6/6/2023 at 7:29 PM, Ecocharger said:

The current climate panic will fade fast, reality will prevail....the EV craze will become a fad memory to rank with the hula-hoop.

Nobody is in a panic. The damage is already done. EV goes 0-60 in 4 sec. They will become more popular. 

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2 hours ago, Boat said:

Nobody is in a panic. The damage is already done. EV goes 0-60 in 4 sec. They will become more popular. 

EVs will never make it big.

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On 6/7/2023 at 1:54 AM, notsonice said:

What comprises the GDP used?...your kidding me that you are asking this question. Do you have a basic understanding of macro economics????

Gross Domestic Product  is just that .....A comprehensive measure of U.S. economic activity. GDP measures the value of the final goods and services produced in the United States (without double counting the intermediate goods and services used up to produce them).

There..... You have not read and understand the request properly....

The request was "list", to make sure "it is not an assumption made from extrapolating chart"... 

Rough categorization might be 5 major groups? Heavy industry, light industry ( consumables, fashion, wear and tear products), agriculture, fishery, service industry etc. Not difficult to know the value right? 

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4 hours ago, Boat said:

Nobody is in a panic. The damage is already done. EV goes 0-60 in 4 sec. They will become more popular. 

4 sec is a drag that could be dangerous, particularly when one is driving from a halt trying to merge into oncoming traffic...

Mentioned in a discussion the other day about this observation as an outsider of car:

- a fueled autogeared car that has a newly changed lubricant would transit smoothly from zero to 60 without much drag.

- after sometimes, the drag becomes obvious... 

Therefore, Lubricant might be the key,  not tork, or anything like that, that could enable smooth pick up of speed.

EV relies on movement of rotor? If lubricant can be added..... friction reduced..... And the plate with teeth that moves the back tyres, can be adjusted to move the front..... With belt..... Would these change things instead of fine tuning tork?

This is from a modified bicycle for elderly indoor exercise.

When the back tyre was  touching the ground, friction was heavy, momemtum slowed... 

When the back tyre removed, easy momentum created.

Changing to front tyre lead  movement might reduce the starting weight involved? 

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On 6/7/2023 at 1:29 AM, Ecocharger said:

The current climate panic will fade fast, reality will prevail....the EV craze will become a fad memory to rank with the hula-hoop.

No just no

The EV "craze" is not a craze its written into pretty much every governments demands of the vehicle markets over the next 10-15 years and pretty much every vehicle manufacturer is switching new models to hybrid and EV as a result.

have a look at some independent industry research forecasting

Electric Vehicle Market - Global Industry Assessment & Forecast

https://www.vantagemarketresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-ev-market-1853#:~:text=Snapshot&text=Premium Insights%3A,17.30% over the forecast period.&text=If playback doesn't begin shortly%2C try restarting your device

I'm with you on the climate panic as I dont think its time to panic about Co2 which is essential to all life. The time to panic about Co2 is when there isnt very much of it!

We currently are still at one of the lowest levels in the earth's history of Co2 which has been in the many 1000's of PPM and we're "panicking" about a rise up to 420 from 280. 

The transition from FF to electric is also nothing to panic about as it will take a lot of time (many decades) but FF will never go away completely IMO, but the reduction in pollution both plastics and air quality will be massively beneficial to everyone on the planet as well as all the fauna on it.

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7 hours ago, specinho said:

4 sec is a drag that could be dangerous, particularly when one is driving from a halt trying to merge into oncoming traffic...

Mentioned in a discussion the other day about this observation as an outsider of car:

- a fueled autogeared car that has a newly changed lubricant would transit smoothly from zero to 60 without much drag.

- after sometimes, the drag becomes obvious... 

Therefore, Lubricant might be the key,  not tork, or anything like that, that could enable smooth pick up of speed.

EV relies on movement of rotor? If lubricant can be added..... friction reduced..... And the plate with teeth that moves the back tyres, can be adjusted to move the front..... With belt..... Would these change things instead of fine tuning tork?

This is from a modified bicycle for elderly indoor exercise.

When the back tyre was  touching the ground, friction was heavy, momemtum slowed... 

When the back tyre removed, easy momentum created.

Changing to front tyre lead  movement might reduce the starting weight involved? 

 

You do realize that many Tesla's (not all) are four-wheel drive, no?

And when any tire is detected as slipping, power to that axle is automatically reduced to stop slipping.

And the torque available from those electric motors (with only ONE moving part) can be easily and instantaneously adjusted in real time.

Why do you think diesel-electric locomotives are so "popular"?  They are effectively electric vehicles that just happen to have on-board power generation!

Merging onto a freeway in dry conditions with a reasonably powerful motorcycle is similar.  If you see an opening in traffic ahead of you as you start from scratch, second gear makes that spot YOURS!  And that's only using ONE tire!

Edited June 8, 2023 by turbguy

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7 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

No just no

The EV "craze" is not a craze its written into pretty much every governments demands of the vehicle markets over the next 10-15 years and pretty much every vehicle manufacturer is switching new models to hybrid and EV as a result.

have a look at some independent industry research forecasting

Electric Vehicle Market - Global Industry Assessment & Forecast

https://www.vantagemarketresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-ev-market-1853#:~:text=Snapshot&text=Premium Insights%3A,17.30% over the forecast period.&text=If playback doesn't begin shortly%2C try restarting your device

I'm with you on the climate panic as I dont think its time to panic about Co2 which is essential to all life. The time to panic about Co2 is when there isnt very much of it!

We currently are still at one of the lowest levels in the earth's history of Co2 which has been in the many 1000's of PPM and we're "panicking" about a rise up to 420 from 280. 

The transition from FF to electric is also nothing to panic about as it will take a lot of time (many decades) but FF will never go away completely IMO, but the reduction in pollution both plastics and air quality will be massively beneficial to everyone on the planet as well as all the fauna on it.

The panic fueling the EV craze is strictly about climate change, and that will prove to be a passing phase of human behavior  long before the standard family fossil fuel auto disappears. People are not that gullible in the long term.

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https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/ExxonMobil-New-Fracking-Technology-Can-Double-Oil-Output.html

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19 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

No just no

The EV "craze" is not a craze its written into pretty much every governments demands of the vehicle markets over the next 10-15 years and pretty much every vehicle manufacturer is switching new models to hybrid and EV as a result.

have a look at some independent industry research forecasting

Electric Vehicle Market - Global Industry Assessment & Forecast

https://www.vantagemarketresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-ev-market-1853#:~:text=Snapshot&text=Premium Insights%3A,17.30% over the forecast period.&text=If playback doesn't begin shortly%2C try restarting your device

I'm with you on the climate panic as I dont think its time to panic about Co2 which is essential to all life. The time to panic about Co2 is when there isnt very much of it!

We currently are still at one of the lowest levels in the earth's history of Co2 which has been in the many 1000's of PPM and we're "panicking" about a rise up to 420 from 280. 

The transition from FF to electric is also nothing to panic about as it will take a lot of time (many decades) but FF will never go away completely IMO, but the reduction in pollution both plastics and air quality will be massively beneficial to everyone on the planet as well as all the fauna on it.

I agree with most of your points but think that natural gas may end up being the cleanest fuel considering all factors, at least for several more decades. Nuclear is possibly the cleanest but too expensive and very scary to the populace and it takes a long time to build the plants. The builds are also notorious for over budget fiascos. 

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Global Oil Demand For Road Transport Could Peak In 2027

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Oil-Demand-For-Road-Transport-Could-Peak-In-2027.html

Not looking good for ICE vehicles long term!

EV's have been described as "Craze", "Fad", "White elephant", "just climate panic" Nope they're a reality like it or not, the world is transitioning quicker than many believed possible.

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10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Global Oil Demand For Road Transport Could Peak In 2027

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Oil-Demand-For-Road-Transport-Could-Peak-In-2027.html

Not looking good for ICE vehicles long term!

EV's have been described as "Craze", "Fad", "White elephant", "just climate panic" Nope they're a reality like it or not, the world is transitioning quicker than many believed possible.

The EV transition is not economically feasible and would result in a massive deterioration in the average standard of living.

With better climate science emerging, the foolish panic over climate change will recede, and that will remove the wasteful government trend towards promoting EVs.

This article shows the economic insanity of government promotion of the green climate agenda (which should be renamed the "Brown" climate agenda, with CO2 being targeted).

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Let-the-Market-Decide-Exxons-Response-To-European-Energy-Policies.html

"According to Darren Woods, Europe's policies are overly prescriptive, picking energy transition winners and losers instead of allowing the market to identify the most cost-effective emissions-reducing solutions.

Woods argues that these policies, which penalize companies, are counterproductive, driving capital out of Europe and merely shifting oil and gas production elsewhere.

He asserts that government subsidies cannot sustain businesses forever and emphasizes that a market needs to develop that is capable of reducing or removing emissions at scale in a cost-effective manner."

Edited June 9, 2023 by Ecocharger

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10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Global Oil Demand For Road Transport Could Peak In 2027

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Oil-Demand-For-Road-Transport-Could-Peak-In-2027.html

Not looking good for ICE vehicles long term!

EV's have been described as "Craze", "Fad", "White elephant", "just climate panic" Nope they're a reality like it or not, the world is transitioning quicker than many believed possible.

You neglected this final judgment in the article, which changes the forecast massively.

"However, soaring battery demand is putting pressure on the supply chain for materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel, BNEF noted."

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You neglected this final judgment in the article, which changes the forecast massively.

"However, soaring battery demand is putting pressure on the supply chain for materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel, BNEF noted."

You just said the market for EV’s is small but the supply chain is large? I need a rum and coke. If the Saudi drop production and oil goes up. Buy Tesla now and ride the wave. 

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

I need a rum and coke.

You need by far more than that. Breaking News...There Is No Supply Chain. You just crack me up at times.

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On 6/8/2023 at 9:19 AM, turbguy said:

You do realize that many Tesla's (not all) are four-wheel drive, no?

And when any tire is detected as slipping, power to that axle is automatically reduced to stop slipping.

And the torque available from those electric motors (with only ONE moving part) can be easily and instantaneously adjusted in real time.

Why do you think diesel-electric locomotives are so "popular"?  They are effectively electric vehicles that just happen to have on-board power generation!

Merging onto a freeway in dry conditions with a reasonably powerful motorcycle is similar.  If you see an opening in traffic ahead of you as you start from scratch, second gear makes that spot YOURS!  And that's only using ONE tire!

Diesel electric vehicles could also be run by LNG. Locomotives are also very efficient because of rails and being able to stop traffic and save time. 

Hybrid vehicles can all be LNG, diesel, gasoline, etc. ICE can produce the electricity. I have been saying this for 15 years. Electricity is produced by fossil fuel worldwide. Wind turbines and solar produce a very mall percentage and it would take decades to change that.

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https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/09/marthas-vineyard-offshore-wind-deveopment-farm-take-permits-right-whale-endangered/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

 

Massive Offshore Wind Project Gets Underway After Getting Permission To ‘Take’ Endangered Whales

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• A large offshore wind project off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard has received “take” permits allowing for thousands of incidental killings of marine mammals, including dozens of whales protected under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) and up to 20 endangered North Atlantic right whales.
• Federal regulation allows for the issuance of take permits for marine life so long as the permitted number of incidental deaths has a minimal effect on the longer-term viability of the species.
• The construction process for the turbines necessitates underwater blasts of noise which “are louder than a jet engine at 25 yards” of distance, New England Fishermen Stewardship Association (NEFSA) President Jerry Leeman told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

A large offshore wind farm development project is underway off the Massachusetts coast after the project’s developer received 20 “take” permits for the endangered right whale from environmental bureaucrats and regulators.

Vineyard Wind began offshore construction of the 62- wind turbine project Thursday, according to WBUR. This summer’s construction of the offshore wind farm some 15 miles off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard legally permit the company to incidentally kill up to 20 critically endangered right whales, according to the Federal Register entry for the project.

The site of the development is within waters identified as “[representing] an increasingly important habitat for the declining right whale population,” according to a 2022 study led by researchers from the New England Aquarium (NEA). The researchers “found a significant, increasing trend in right whale abundance off Martha’s Vineyard,” according to a July 2022 summary of the study on the NEA’s website.

Federal regulators from the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) issued take permits to Vineyard Wind in June 2021, which include the endangered right whale in their scope, according to the Federal Register entry for the project. Take permits allow for the “incidental, but not intentional, taking of small numbers of marine mammals by U.S. citizens who engage in a specified activity (other than commercial fishing) within a specified geographical region,” according to section 1361 of Title 16 of the United States Code.

Regulators grant take permits for incidental killings of marine life when the NMFS finds that the deaths “will have a negligible impact on the species,” according to the project’s Federal Register entry. The take permits allow for Vineyard Wind to incidentally kill dozens of whales protected by the Endangered Species Act, including up to 20 critically endangered right whales, during the construction process, according to the Federal Register entry.

 

 

NOAA noted that it calculated the quantity of allowable right whale take permits for the development project in order to be “conservative,” according to the Federal Register entry. “Even one human-caused mortality puts the species at risk of extinction,” Dr. Jessica Redfern of the Anderson Cabot Center for Ocean Life testified at a Tuesday House Natural Resources Committee hearing on commercial threats to the right whale population. (RELATED: Dem Senators’ Call To Investigate Whale Deaths Omits Any Mention Of Offshore Wind)

Offshore construction is scheduled to run through the summer months and halt for the winter in November 2023, according to WBUR.

.@VineyardWindUS project is bad for so many reasons.

Here’s why (thread) :
https://t.co/QGDbT7uQyr pic.twitter.com/Uq8giKiZ13

— NE Fishermen Stewardship Assoc. (@fishstewardship) June 9, 2023

“The North Atlantic right whale is one of the world’s most endangered species of large whale,” according to a February 2023 memorandum from the Marine Mammal Commission (MMC). NOAA estimates that fewer than 350 right whales remain, according to its website. “Between 2003 and 2018, in cases where a cause of death could be determined, every juvenile and adult right whale death was attributable to human activities,” according to the MMC memorandum.

“While NOAA has handed out these takings, it is denying” and “ignoring” the “direct correlation” between offshore wind development and the increased numbers of right whales washing up dead on beaches since approximately 2016, Steve Milloy, senior E&E legal fellow and former Trump EPA Transition team member, told the Daily Caller News Foundation (DCNF).

Milloy’s “hypothesis” is that the extreme noise disturbances generated by underwater surveying disorient the right whales which are then more likely to strike a vessel and sustain serious injuries which often result in death for the animal.

The construction process for the turbines necessitates underwater blasts of noise for surveying which “are louder than a jet engine at 25 yards” of distance, New England Fishermen Stewardship Association (NEFSA) president Jerry Leeman told the DCNF. “If you look at any area that’s being industrially developed, there are always wildlife and environmental impacts,” Leeman said. “The uptick in vessel surveys for offshore wind development is right at the same time as the uptick in the beaching of these mammals,” he added. (RELATED: Biden Admin Pumps More Money Into Offshore Wind Turbines Despite Mounting Whale Deaths)

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management claims that it “requires strict protective measures for when the offshore wind industry conducts activities offshore” in order to “ensure that whales are protected from offshore wind leasing and development activities,” according to a February 2023 fact sheet.

Vineyard Wind did not immediately respond to the DCNF’s request for comment.

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16 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Global Oil Demand For Road Transport Could Peak In 2027

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Oil-Demand-For-Road-Transport-Could-Peak-In-2027.html

Not looking good for ICE vehicles long term!

EV's have been described as "Craze", "Fad", "White elephant", "just climate panic" Nope they're a reality like it or not, the world is transitioning quicker than many believed possible.

There are still twice as many natural gas vehicles on the road and they are larger. This fact is not made public in the mass media. It does not fit their game plan. 

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On 6/8/2023 at 10:19 PM, turbguy said:

You do realize that many Tesla's (not all) are four-wheel drive, no?

And when any tire is detected as slipping, power to that axle is automatically reduced to stop slipping.

And the torque available from those electric motors (with only ONE moving part) can be easily and instantaneously adjusted in real time.

Why do you think diesel-electric locomotives are so "popular"?  They are effectively electric vehicles that just happen to have on-board power generation!

Merging onto a freeway in dry conditions with a reasonably powerful motorcycle is similar.  If you see an opening in traffic ahead of you as you start from scratch, second gear makes that spot YOURS!  And that's only using ONE tire!

Pardon me, i'm not sure about the detail of a car design.

But from a bicycle and a  dismantled- reassembled toy car that one pulls it back, releases and it will speed forward, climb small slope, fly through one bump, sink in water and all.....

The general movement of a bicycle is guided by the back tyre. When one pedals, the chain linked to the pedals will move the back tyre first and then the front, bringing total movement of a bike. That could be the reason the starting resistance is high.  The total weight is near the back. 

The fly-wheel toy car showed  plates with teeth that linking the coil and the back tyres. Pulling the car back by dragging  the back wheels on the floor would tighten the coil. Release of car, tighten coil will rebounce to turn loose into original shape. This movement drives back tyres to move. The front tyres are pushed to move along...

Hence, suggested modification of EV is to reduce friction generated resistance to move.

Lubricant might be one of the keys besides shifting focal or fulcrum point? ( I do not remember the term, pardon me. I barely passed... and started late..) and modification of design. 

Your input intends to highlight redistribution of tork, especially in hybrid EV? Not so much of lubricant? '-'

Edited June 13, 2023 by specinho

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23 hours ago, Boat said:

You just said the market for EV’s is small but the supply chain is large? I need a rum and coke. If the Saudi drop production and oil goes up. Buy Tesla now and ride the wave. 

"The wave" is about to break, leaving the hapless surfers crashing out.

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15 hours ago, specinho said:

The general movement of a bicycle is guided by the back tyre. When one pedals, the chain linked to the pedals will move the back tyre first and then the front, bringing total movement of a bike. That could be the reason the starting resistance is high.  The total weight is near the back.

Your input intends to highlight redistribution of tork, especially in hybrid EV? Not so much of lubricant? '-'

 

Starting resistance is "high" because of this thing called "inertia".

Lubricants serve several purposes.  One of which is to reduce friction/resistance.  Even EV's and Hybrid's require it.