GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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On 7/7/2023 at 1:40 PM, TailingsPond said:

Earth hit an unofficial record high temperature this week – and stayed there (msn.com)

Before 1979 there was no way to even try to make this observation. They had to guess at the numbers before 1979. On a local basis, even I have seen I've several degrees hotter here. OF course, the official records were "corrected a few years ago with the excuse that recording stations were not up to par. I just read somewhere yesterday that 94% of stations are not up to par today. "Official" numbers really are a joke nowadays just like the "experts" that report them.

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5 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

If by "recently" you mean pre 2011 when the paper was published.

If those resources were economically viable they would have been exploited by now.

Technology in the oil and gas industry had increased by leaps and bounds since 2011. What may have not been reserves back then, very well may qualify as reserves now. 

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1 hour ago, AlBub said:

Technology in the oil and gas industry had increased by leaps and bounds since 2011. What may have not been reserves back then, very well may qualify as reserves now. 

44.4 billion barrels

 

Within the petroleum industry, proven crude oil reserves in the United States was 44.4 billion barrels (7.06×10⁹ m³) of crude oil as of the end of 2021, excluding the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

 

Reserves depend greatly on price and technology. At our current production of 12 million barrels per day, 44 billion barrels is about 10 years.

Edited July 10, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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On 7/8/2023 at 4:35 AM, notsonice said:

Here is the real problem today, ?????

have you abandoned your argument that coal is King and  increasing and at new highs????

Coal is King????

reality Solar and Wind are taking Coal down.............

Fossil fuels still rule. Coal usage and demand  is at an all-time high in China and growing.

Oil demand in China is at an all-time high and growing. Those fossil fuel transportation vehicles just keep chugging along.

https://www.energyintel.com/00000188-57aa-d447-a38d-5feeafff0000

"China's apparent oil demand topped 16 million barrels per day in April, setting a new all-time-high just a month after it broke through the 15 million b/d mark for the first time."

Edited July 10, 2023 by Ecocharger

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Fossil fuels still rule. Coal usage and demand  is at an all-time high in China and growing.

Oil demand in China is at an all-time high and growing. Those fossil fuel transportation vehicles just keep chugging along.

https://www.energyintel.com/00000188-57aa-d447-a38d-5feeafff0000

"China's apparent oil demand topped 16 million barrels per day in April, setting a new all-time-high just a month after it broke through the 15 million b/d mark for the first time."

Coal usage and demand  is at an all-time high in China and growing....????

you failed once again to post any facts..........Glut of coal in China....steel production took a hard hit in May and June...Yep coal used to make steel is taking a hit in China. Coal price crashed as a result for both met and steam coal.......

Looks like renewables coming on board and China industrial recession are going to dash your hopes again....

How did 2022 treat you???? no new world high for coal or oil.....

2014 Coal consumption peaked......and in 8 years 2014 is still king....2022 not your new King......

so in 8 years coal has gone nowhere....your growing claim ???? poof just BS 

you post numbers for oil for April .....May and June were not so pretty...

 

2023 for coal US and OECD down 25% plus........China is going to have to shack off a recession to make up for the crash of coal in the US and OECD

when do you think China will come out of their industrial /real estate recession?????? 2024 ha ha ha 2025 maybe 

2026 ??? well by then renewables in China will be increasing at twice the rate today....

 

The Wall Street Journal

Oil Falls on Concerns Over China Demand, U.S. Growth

0053 GMT — Oil prices are lower in the early Asian trade, retreating from Friday's gains. While concerns linger over China's oil demand and...

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6 hours ago

 

China dead cat bounce from Covid restrictions being eased ended in April

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9 hours ago, notsonice said:

Coal usage and demand  is at an all-time high in China and growing....????

Once again you demonstrate your mind missing a few key fundamentals...One of those would be processing information. Now let us take a treacherous adventure into your mind...plz articulate how Chinese coal fired infrastructure operates?...This will be extraordinary.

 

Actually there seems to be coastal cities in this world...about 13 comes to mind. A sudden displacement of these alleged cities might very well relieve a recent pain in the world's A@#.

Edited July 10, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Once again you demonstrate your mind missing a few key fundamentals...One of those would be processing information. Now let us take a treacherous adventure into your mind...plz articulate how Chinese coal fired infrastructure operates?...This will be extraordinary.

 

Actually there seems to be coastal cities in this world...about 13 comes to mind. A sudden displacement of these alleged cities might very well relieve a recent pain in the world's A@#.

number of plants does not mean the same as consumption.....

Mr. Magoo did you lose your glasses

existing plants in China operating percentage has gone down the last 2 months meaning less coal burned

and steel mills........Blast furnaces are running less tonnes per month right now meaning less coal consumed

now run along Mr. Magoo

 

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18 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

44.4 billion barrels

 

Within the petroleum industry, proven crude oil reserves in the United States was 44.4 billion barrels (7.06×10⁹ m³) of crude oil as of the end of 2021, excluding the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

 

Reserves depend greatly on price and technology. At our current production of 12 million barrels per day, 44 billion barrels is about 10 years.

Took me a while to remember where I heard this. Had to look through the old classics. Then I found it. 45 years ago this was a greatest hit with the scientific "experts". Just like globull warming in the 1950's. Funny how things go in circles and history repeats. Good job!

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1 hour ago, AlBub said:

Took me a while to remember where I heard this. Had to look through the old classics. Then I found it. 45 years ago this was a greatest hit with the scientific "experts". Just like globull warming in the 1950's. Funny how things go in circles and history repeats. Good job!

The data is from the EIA. It appears you just don't understand how reserves work. 

Just because there is oil somewhere does not mean that it is economically viable for recovery today. With today's technology and today's price and today's discoveries and today's production we have a ten year reserve.

 

Edited July 10, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

number of plants does not mean the same as consumption.....

Mr. Magoo did you lose your glasses

existing plants in China operating percentage has gone down the last 2 months meaning less coal burned

Ya Don't Say...I believe you have had more cups of dumbass today than needed. Time to sober up..

https://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/press/7939/china-has-already-approved-more-new-coal-in-2023-than-it-did-in-all-of-2021-greenpeace/#:~:text=Climate %26 Energy-,China has already approved more new coal in 2023 than,in all of 2021 — Greenpeace&text=Beijing – Provincial governments in China,frequently citing energy security concerns.

China has already approved more new coal in 2023 than it did in all of 2021 — Greenpeace

And then This! Outraged Green Energy Fails Again. Is there no end to this madness? 

China turns back to coal as record heatwave causes power shortages

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/23/economy/china-coal-reliance-heat-wave-intl-hnk/index.html

Sichuan Guang’an Power Generation, the region’s biggest coal-fired power plant, has also boosted its electricity generation by 170% this month, compared with the same period last year, according to an article posted Tuesday on the Sichuan government website. The power plant expects August’s electricity output to jump 313% from a year earlier.

On Friday, the province also opened its first national coal reserve in Guang’an city. When full, it will be able to supply six million metric tons per year.

Sichuan has ordered most factories to close for 11 days through Thursday in response to the power crunch. The power rationing has roiled supply chains and impacted the production of major companies, such as Toyota, Foxconn, and Tesla in Shanghai.

Edited July 10, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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19 hours ago, notsonice said:

Coal usage and demand  is at an all-time high in China and growing....????

you failed once again to post any facts..........Glut of coal in China....steel production took a hard hit in May and June...Yep coal used to make steel is taking a hit in China. Coal price crashed as a result for both met and steam coal.......

Looks like renewables coming on board and China industrial recession are going to dash your hopes again....

How did 2022 treat you???? no new world high for coal or oil.....

2014 Coal consumption peaked......and in 8 years 2014 is still king....2022 not your new King......

so in 8 years coal has gone nowhere....your growing claim ???? poof just BS 

you post numbers for oil for April .....May and June were not so pretty...

 

2023 for coal US and OECD down 25% plus........China is going to have to shack off a recession to make up for the crash of coal in the US and OECD

when do you think China will come out of their industrial /real estate recession?????? 2024 ha ha ha 2025 maybe 

2026 ??? well by then renewables in China will be increasing at twice the rate today....

 

The Wall Street Journal

Oil Falls on Concerns Over China Demand, U.S. Growth

0053 GMT — Oil prices are lower in the early Asian trade, retreating from Friday's gains. While concerns linger over China's oil demand and...

.

6 hours ago

 

China dead cat bounce from Covid restrictions being eased ended in April

Oil is doing fine this week. 

And oil demand in China is at an all-time high and growing. Those fossil fuel transportation vehicles just keep chugging along.

https://www.energyintel.com/00000188-57aa-d447-a38d-5feeafff0000

"China's apparent oil demand topped 16 million barrels per day in April, setting a new all-time-high just a month after it broke through the 15 million b/d mark for the first time."

 

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https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-green-deal-in-the-eu-goes-unfunded-expect-a-total-collapse/?

 

The Green Deal in the EU Goes Unfunded, Expect a Total Collapse

 

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The European Commission put a cost on its Green deal estimate. It’s €620 billion. The EC has allocated €82.5 billion. Guess what.

2015 Image from 2015 climate conference via Associated Press.

Unfunded Green New Deal

Hooray! the EU finally has an agreement on a Green New Deal. However, Eurointelligence reports the deal is largely unfunded.

If we had to pinpoint a single tragic error in the modern history of European integration, it is the moment sometime during the euro crisis when pro-Europeans gave up on eurobonds and a fiscal union. Instead, they adopted Angela Merkel as their new role model, the pragmatist-in-chief. What made their plight even more tragic was the mistaken idea that they were in possession of a clever and legally watertight funding mechanism, which gave rise to the Sure unemployment reinsurance programme, and later the recovery fund.

FAZ tells us this morning why this strategy is not working. The Commission has put a figure on the annual costs of the Green deal, a whopping €620bn. The Commission itself has only allocated €82.5bn towards this, via the social climate fund. You can add a few euros here and there from various other pots, but this is not going to come close. Thierry Breton wanted a debt-financed €350bn funds for green investments, to match the size of the US inflation reduction act. That would have done the heavy lifting. But this was killed off by member states.

When the EU launched the recovery fund in 2020 we expressed scepticism about whether it could form a blueprint for future lending. There is simply no consensus in the EU for a perpetuation of a financial instrument that is ultimately secured by the member states themselves. What is also not helping is that the financial markets are not bestowing top-notch valuations to EU-issued debt for the simple reason that it is not sovereign. You can package a bunch of mortgages into a collateral debt obligation. But you can’t repackage or reclassify sovereign debt. What characterises a sovereign borrower is the power to raise funds through taxes. For as long as the EU is reliant on the kindness of member states, it is not in a position to fund some of these giant programmes. What the EU needs, dare we say it, is the real thing: a eurobond. Or else, it has to admit that it cannot do as much as it wants, for lack of funds.

The Green deal is not the only unfunded programme. The project for a greater geopolitical role for the EU is in the same category. In addition, there is the cost of the reconstruction of Ukraine, which the Commission puts at €384bn a year.

Since there is no way they can fund this out of their own resources, we believe that more smoke-and-mirror tricks are on the way. No prizes for guessing where this will leave the substance of the Green deal.

The EU’s climate deal is 13 percent funded. How’s that going to work?

The Eurobond Idea Surfaces Again

Eurointelligence founder Wolfgang Münchau comments “What the EU needs, dare we say it, is the real thing: a eurobond.”

I disagree with most of Münchau’s ideas. He wants commingled budgets and a United States of Europe. Nonetheless, I like Münchau. He is very straight shooter. He also sees the issues and does not sugarcoat them.

The Euro is fatally flawed, and other than freedom of movement, the EU is mostly a failure. There are too many cultural differences, work rule discrepancies, productivity differences etc., for the Euro to ever smoothly work. The Italian banking system is insolvent and the Northern states led by Germany do not want to bail out Italy or Greece, neither of which belonged in the EU under budget rules anyway.

French president Emmanuel Macron wants a European army. Germany doesn’t. Why bother when the US is stupidly willing to pay for Europe’s defense with massive injections of cash and equipment to Ukraine while Germany did not lift a finger.

Germany does not fund NATO, will not fund an army, and will not pony up its share of €384 billion a year to reconstruct Ukraine. Germany will not lift a finger to help Southern Europe.

Attitudes Must Change First

EMU, the European Monetary Union, is an alliance of the 20 European states that belong to the European Union and have introduced a common currency, the euro.

Every one of those nations would have to agree to a eurobond. The unanimous agreement to change much of anything is in and of itself a fatal flaw in the construction of the Euro.

Meanwhile, one size does not fit all when it comes to interest rate policy, and it never will, until Italy, Germany, France, and Spain have similar work rules, legal systems, property rights, productivity, and tax structures.

The Euro founders thought that once the Euro was in place, attitudes would converge. They didn’t and won’t. France has veto power over agricultural policy and that won’t change either.

Curiously, this idea came up yesterday regrading a BRIC alliance. I bet most failed to spot it. Let’s take a look.

More Gold Backed BRIC Currency Silliness on Dethroning the Dollar

Please consider, or reconsider my post yesterday, More Gold Backed BRIC Currency Silliness on Dethroning the Dollar

Thorsten Polleit, chief economist at Degussa, told Kitco, “For making the new currency as good as gold, a truly sound currency, it must be convertible into gold on demand. I am not sure whether this is what Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa have in mind.”

Marc Chandler, managing director of Bannockburn Global Forex, told Kitco “Talk of BRICS gold backed currency seems like an echo chamber. They do not have the gold to back a currency meaningfully. Have we not learned anything from the EMU experience of monetary union without fiscal union. Color me profoundly skeptical.“

What precisely do Brazil, Russia, India, and China have in common other than a desire to escape the dollar?

BRIC Expansion List

Bloomberg reports the BRIC Expansion List is now up to 19.

South Africa joined in 2010. That was sure meaningful, wasn’t it?

Saudi Arabia and Iran have formally asked to join. Other nations expressing interest include Argentina, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Egypt, Bahrain and Indonesia, along with two undisclosed nations from East Africa and one from West Africa.

Perhaps they can concoct a way to avoid SWIFT, a dollar payment construct that makes it difficult to avoid US sanctions. If so, I will cheer, and that will be useful. But the EU announced such plans and failed.

US dollar use will decline naturally if and when emerging markets finally emerge, and BRICs won’t have much to do with it. It will simply be more cross border trading.

As for dethroning the dollar, I have to laugh. Egypt and undisclosed nations in Africa do not matter. How many times has Argentina defaulted?

How much do any of these nations trade with each other?

That’s a trick question because nations don’t trade, individuals do.

Yet, the recent announcement from Russia mentioned a “trading currency“. What does that even mean?

Let’s see the details on how this will work in practice, whether the currency is convertible on demand, how much gold backing there is, and who gets to use it.

Expect to be underwhelmed, but expect more hype anyway. Hype is sexy. So is predicting the collapse of the dollar.

With that, let’s return to the headline theme.

The Ever Growing Trillions of Dollars Per Year Demands to Fight Climate Change

Please note the The Ever Growing Trillions of Dollars Per Year Demands to Fight Climate Change

• An expert group under the auspice of the UN estimates that investments have to reach the order of $1 trillion per year until 2030 to respond to the climate and biodiversity crisis.
• Oxfam estimated that $3.9 trillion per year will be needed over the same time period to fight poverty, inequality and climate change.
• The World bank estimated that it takes $4 trillion per year to build the infrastructure for this.

That’s a mere $8.9 trillion per per year until 2030, a 7-year cost of $62.3 trillion. Who will fund that?

Germany Turns Against Green New Deal

Also recall my May 23, Germany is Turning Against the EU’s Green New Deal, Common Sense to the Forefront

Absent a Eurobond, don’t expect 20 nations that have little in common other than proximity to do much of anything in a united way.

The same applies to the BRICs who do not even have proximity in common other than Russia, India, and China.

RIC anyone? RIC bonds? Gold-backed RIC bonds when the yuan doesn’t even float and none of the countries have much of any bond market? What a hoot.

 

 

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On 7/8/2023 at 3:47 PM, NWMan said:

 

How do they calculate co2 ppm 350,000 years ago?

 

Pardon me, i have no idea. I was not born yet back then..... 'n'

[specinho + 470]

On 7/9/2023 at 4:57 PM, NWMan said:

The only logical explanation is that we are running out of oil and governments are using the possibility of climate change as a motivational tool to force us to look and pay for alternative energy sources over the next 50 to 100 years.

 

On 7/10/2023 at 7:35 AM, NWMan said:

In place resources are not reserves.  Reserves have to be economically viable and since there is hardly a single oil shale company that has returned a profit these are not viable reserves.  Almost all major basins including the middle east are in decline and there is no easy oil left.  The current estimate is 50 years so double it to 100 and the world is still facing a major problem.  To replace oil is such a short time scale is a big ask.

Things done to ensure sustainability:

1. There have been new discoveries nearly every three months once, on average, these past few years. For examples, suriname, mexico, brazil, argentina, africa, USA/ canada. 

 

2. In order to comply to the call for sustainability, some countries have started to reduce total output so that the existing wells can last longer. 

 

3. In response to  policy of  some governments to use less oil and gas or exterminate oil and gas in haste, prices have been increased. 

- They make it so expensive that the affordability by the public is reduced by much. 😯

- What a cooperative and responsible citizen group.... 👍

 

4. New methods might be in the test e.g. 

a) turning singular source organic waste into alcoholic fuel

b) shred polyethylene plastic  into short chain pieces, melt and burn as hydrocarbon fuel source. 

c) closed circuit hydropower, wind power and may be solar power.

d) conduct electricity directly from earth magnetic field.

Or create one generator with magnet and copper wire. 

e) self sustain generator cum transformer using solenoid or such.

f) revive old town shed planning scheme where everything essential could be reached within walking distance

g) raw food eating or no cooking like people in some countries e.g sandwiches, salad 🥗, nutritious powdery drink, eat at restaurants, food delivery, 2 minutes maggie mee with additional ingredients of a balanced diet,  3 minutes oven pizza, 5 minutes microwave pasta etc. 😯 😣

 

f) population control.

Too many people, too many cars, too much resources consumed or needed, including forest. 

There was a post on facebook mentioning how crazy it has been to have population explosion happening within 50 years of time. Data quoted saying "from 1960 to 2019, average increment was 2 to 4 folds per country. Total population of the world has increased from 2b to 8 b within a short time".

There is a need to investigate the reasons.

If condom does not work, the latest simplest, economic, yet effective technique under discussion has been vasectomy. 

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by specinho

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12 hours ago, specinho said:

Pardon me, i have no idea. I was not born yet back then..... 'n'

ice cores.....

good to 800,000 years ago

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

ice cores.....

good to 800,000 years ago

Got proof? Lol your dogma has overwhelmed your ability to reason? A drowning rat comes to mind.

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Got proof? Lol your dogma has overwhelmed your ability to reason? A drowning rat comes to mind.

guess all that drilling in the Antarctica is for nothing????

nope....just shows that you are ignorant
 

dogma???......keep babbling old man......your drowning rat comment????? oh boy you must be on a real bender...try putting the bottle down for a few minutes

Got proof?........enjoy the article and facts..........

What do ice cores reveal about the past?

Last Updated: FRIDAY, MARCH 24, 2023

By Michon Scott

https://nsidc.org/learn/ask-scientist/core-climate-history

So, what do ice cores say about carbon?

The NSF-ICF reports that ice cores preserve evidence of much lower levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide than today. Since the start of the Pleistocene Epoch, roughly 2 million years ago, some periods in which glaciers retreated (called glaciations and interglacials) caused massive swings in carbon dioxide. For a period of at least 800,000 years, CO₂ concentrations ranged from 180 to 300 parts per million, according to a high-resolution ice-core record from Antarctica.

Since the start of the Industrial Age, however, human-caused greenhouse-gas emissions have steadily raised CO₂ concentrations. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Global Monitoring Laboratory reports that, as of the week beginning February 26, 2023, CO₂ emissions stood at 421.91 parts per million.

Compared to ancient atmospheric composition, today’s atmosphere has more carbon dioxide, and that carbon dioxide has a smaller proportion of carbon-14. Both these facts show the effect of human activity and the burning of massive amounts of fossil fuel.

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by notsonice

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we are above 420 ppmv CO2 today...end of question

here is the data plotted with the corresponding temperatures

 

notice how when the earth temperatures are at a maximum when  CO2 levels are at a maximum

now we are way above the 310 level anyone want to guess what temperature of the earth will reach in the near future????..

plus 6 ? 7? 8? 9? 10 degrees centigrade??? does any one like a summer day at 110 plus degrees F????????? get used to it in Texas........the 100 degrees in Houston in June will be remembered just as cool summer day

won't be much left of any vegetation in Texas in the future.........

 

110 degrees is what you have in Death Valley......not a green paradise

 

does anyone see a past that CO2 levels were above 310 ppmv (except for the past 100 years that is not plotted on the chart)

 

here is a chart of CO2 and temp for the past 800,000 years

 

The Dome C temperature anomaly record with respect to the mean temperature of the last millennium⁸ (based on original deuterium data interpolated to a 500-yr resolution), plotted on the EDC3 timescale¹³, is given as a black step curve. Data for CO₂ are from Dome C (solid circles in purple⁵, blue⁴, black: this work, measured at Bern; red open circles: this work, measured at Grenoble), Taylor Dome⁶ (brown) and Vostok^1,2,3 (green). All CO₂ values are on the EDC3_gas_a age scale²⁶. Horizontal lines are the mean values of temperature and CO₂ for the time periods 799–650, 650–450, 450–270 and 270–50 kyr bp. Glacial terminations are indicated using Roman numerals in subscript (for example T_I); Marine Isotope Stages (MIS) are given in italic Arabic numerals²⁷.

Edited July 11, 2023 by notsonice

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33 minutes ago, notsonice said:

we are above 420 ppmv CO2 today...end of question

here is the data plotted with the corresponding temperatures

 

notice how when the earth temperatures are at a maximum when  CO2 levels are at a maximum

now we are way above the 310 level anyone want to guess what temperature of the earth will reach in the near future????..

plus 6 ? 7? 8? 9? 10 degrees centigrade??? does any one like a summer day at 110 plus degrees F????????? get used to it in Texas........the 100 degrees in Houston in June will be remembered just as cool summer day

won't be much left of any vegetation in Texas in the future.........

 

110 degrees is what you have in Death Valley......not a green paradise

 

does anyone see a past that CO2 levels were above 310 ppmv (except for the past 100 years that is not plotted on the chart)

 

here is a chart of CO2 and temp for the past 800,000 years

 

The Dome C temperature anomaly record with respect to the mean temperature of the last millennium⁸ (based on original deuterium data interpolated to a 500-yr resolution), plotted on the EDC3 timescale¹³, is given as a black step curve. Data for CO₂ are from Dome C (solid circles in purple⁵, blue⁴, black: this work, measured at Bern; red open circles: this work, measured at Grenoble), Taylor Dome⁶ (brown) and Vostok^1,2,3 (green). All CO₂ values are on the EDC3_gas_a age scale²⁶. Horizontal lines are the mean values of temperature and CO₂ for the time periods 799–650, 650–450, 450–270 and 270–50 kyr bp. Glacial terminations are indicated using Roman numerals in subscript (for example T_I); Marine Isotope Stages (MIS) are given in italic Arabic numerals²⁷.

The phase structure shows that temperature change leads CO2 change, and when CO2 is at a maximum, temperature has already started to decline. You have the cart before the horse.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

The phase structure shows that temperature change leads CO2 change, and when CO2 is at a maximum, temperature has already started to decline. You have the cart before the horse.

nope

try again

CO2 is rising and temperature is moving in lockstep.....the chart shows it

and you think more CO2 is good for the planet?????

we all know right now the temperature is increasing over time and at the same time CO 2 is increasing.......

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

Texas is going to look pretty brown in June

just keep ignoring the facts....it is what you do best

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20 minutes ago, notsonice said:

nope

try again

CO2 is rising and temperature is moving in lockstep.....the chart shows it

and you think more CO2 is good for the planet?????

we all know right now the temperature is increasing over time and at the same time CO 2 is increasing.......

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

Texas is going to look pretty brown in June

just keep ignoring the facts....it is what you do best

I guess you forgot the material we already posted. Do you want me to remind you of it again? Okay.

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013GPC...100...51H/abstract

Edited July 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

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12 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

I guess you forgot the material we already posted. Do you want me to remind you of it again?

sure....you never post any facts....go for it

...your link states

  modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO₂, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO₂

so as CO2 increases temperature increase follow in lockstep........

which means we are in for further global warming on an unprecedented scale when you look at the past 800,000 years

 

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

 

 

as for your fellow blind pals who wanted to know how CO2 was measured in the past......

I hope they enjoy the chart and the link to how it has been determined

hope they are not so ignorant when they post again

until then

You can reread the chart I posted today....print it out and tape it to your fridge

PS you did not bother (as usual ) answering the big questions.....here they are again

and you think more CO2 is good for the planet?????

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

 

PSS have you ever lived in Missouri...the Show Me State...they would run you out pretty fast

Edited July 11, 2023 by notsonice

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

38 minutes ago, notsonice said:

sure....you never post any facts....go for it

...your link states

  modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO₂, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO₂

so as CO2 increases temperature increase follow in lockstep........

which means we are in for further global warming on an unprecedented scale when you look at the past 800,000 years

 

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

 

 

as for your fellow blind pals who wanted to know how CO2 was measured in the past......

I hope they enjoy the chart and the link to how it has been determined

hope they are not so ignorant when they post again

until then

You can reread the chart I posted today....print it out and tape it to your fridge

PS you did not bother (as usual ) answering the big questions.....here they are again

and you think more CO2 is good for the planet?????

where do you think temperature will be in 20 years from today another 2 or 3 degrees centigrade warmer????

 

PSS have you ever lived in Missouri...the Show Me State...they would run you out pretty fast

I guess you missed the context, he was quoting what was "assumed", however his work shows something different. 

Funny how you missed that.

"We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO₂ always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO₂ and temperature is found for CO₂ lagging 11-12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. "

Edited July 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

Got proof?........enjoy the article and facts..........

Ahh a honest portrayal of your facts "Article" Out of the mouth babes comes to mind. Notsobright...you are quite illuminating, keeping in step with Green Energy failures yes the artic ICE core endeavors would have successfully obtained icesickles  the extrapolation gained would pretty much a flop. Just more Green Dogma. Windmills everywhere followed by disaster  after disaster.

Edited July 12, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by turbguy