GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

6 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Nope it hasnt

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Even in this chart, which is different from others, there is a trend down about 2020 which is consistent with  the predictions of the solar models. 

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

EVS have had their day, the market is saturated and buyer interest is now eroding.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/waiting-buyers-come-unsold-electric-vehicles-piling-car-dealerships-says-report

"According to an April 2023 report by consumer intelligence company JD Power, more Americans are unwilling to buy EVs. In March, 21 percent of new vehicle shoppers said they were “very unlikely” to consider an EV, up from 17.8 percent in January.

During this period, the proportion of people who said they were “very likely” to buy an EV remained flat at around 26 percent.

“Lack of public charging infrastructure and price have been the top two concerns for the past 10 months, along with related issues involving range anxiety, time required to charge, and power outage and grid concerns,” the report said."

Edited July 14, 2023 by Ecocharger

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6 hours ago, notsonice said:

 

Mr Magoo, love the latest chart??? Ecochump any comments????

 

 

Your trend over the past ten years is down...sorry.

[turbguy + 1,544]

9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Your trend over the past ten years is down...sorry.

Huh??

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by turbguy

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

1 minute ago, turbguy said:

Huh??

 

Take a look.

[turbguy + 1,544]

3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Take a look.

I know what trend I see.  And it ain't a downtrend.

What trend do you see?

Edited July 14, 2023 by turbguy

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

1 minute ago, turbguy said:

I know what trend I see.  And it ain't a downtrend.

What trend do you see?

It looks down, Why don't you isolate the last ten years and see.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

It looks down, Why don't you isolate the last ten years and see.

Up!

Not 1 year is lower than the figure 10 years ago, admittedly the last 2 years shows a slight downward trend but overall its up considerably.

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[Ecocharger + 1,474]

1 minute ago, Rob Plant said:

Up!

It looks down, just try isolating the past ten years and see. Cherry-picking doesn't count for anything. Fit a curve through the data.

[turbguy + 1,544]

5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

It looks down, Why don't you isolate the last ten years and see.

Uhhh...

 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

It looks down, just try isolating the past ten years and see. Cherry-picking doesn't count for anything. Fit a curve through the data.

If you draw a mean line through the last 10 years it will be upward, so its up!

youre looking at the last 2 years which are down , now thats cherry picking!

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

Just now, turbguy said:

Uhhh...

 

Yeah, that looks like an 8-10 yr. downward trend. Consistent with the solar climate models which predicted a downward trend starting about 2020. 

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

2 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

If you draw a mean line through the last 10 years it will be upward, so its up!

youre looking at the last 2 years which are down , now thats cherry picking!

If you look at the curve over 8-10 years it has clearly peaked and is down consistent with the solar models predicting downward trend from 2020.

Eyeballing is not the same as fitting a curve through statistical analysis.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

6 hours ago, notsonice said:

 

Mr Magoo, love the latest chart??? Ecochump any comments????

 

 

@Ecocharger

So lets take the last 23 years from 0C would you say temperatures on average are rising or falling?

Please bear in mind that over the last 10 years 9 out of 10 are the hottest on record, you are bound to get some fluctuation not a perfect incremental increase YOY.

[turbguy + 1,544]

11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yeah, that looks like an 8-10 yr. downward trend. Consistent with the solar climate models which predicted a downward trend starting about 2020. 

Can you direct me to which solar model you are referring to?

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1 minute ago, Rob Plant said:

@Ecocharger

So lets take the last 23 years from 0C would you say temperatures on average are rising or falling?

Please bear in mind that over the last 10 years 9 out of 10 are the hottest on record, you are bound to get some fluctuation not a perfect incremental increase YOY.

You are seeing the peak of the curve clearly behind us over the past ten years, which has already been noted by many analysts.

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2 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Can you direct me to which solar model you are referring to?

I have already done that a few dozen times...why should I waste my time doing it again when you are clearly incapable of understanding the science? I have better things to do with my time.

Start by reading P. 324 in this thread.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Ecocharger

[notsonice + 1,255]

3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Your trend over the past ten years is down...sorry.

average for the past ten years compared to the previous 10 years is up

the trend is up  and over the long time shows up up up

go back to school and take a stats course

[notsonice + 1,255]

2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Take a look.

take a look yourself

the trend over the past 10 years is up dramatically

2012  plus .67

2022 plus .85

once again you have been proven to be wrong...whats it like to be wrong all the time...as you are the King of the Losers

 

[notsonice + 1,255]

3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

It looks down, just try isolating the past ten years and see. Cherry-picking doesn't count for anything. Fit a curve through the data.

go ahead and fit a curve to the data for the whole chart (no cherry picking as you state) ....we are waiting....its your idea

or are you once again babbling BS???

 

 

[Michael Sanches + 187]

Whet good are green energy plants when the wait to connect to the grid is 10 - 15 years?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65500339

 

[turbguy + 1,544]

51 minutes ago, Michael Sanches said:

Whet good are green energy plants when the wait to connect to the grid is 10 - 15 years?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65500339

 

While connection queues are a real issue (everywhere), no one said it would happen overnight.  It is going to take years.

...and money.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

1 hour ago, turbguy said:

.and money.

 

The Green Deal in the EU Goes Unfunded, Expect a Total Collapse

https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-green-deal-in-the-eu-goes-unfunded-expect-a-total-collapse/

Edited July 14, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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Any of you oil paid shills live in Texas or Arizona? How is the Temperature?  LOL.  I live in a cool, great healthcare, great education, high culture low cost of living state that has lots of social programs and mostly is controlled by Democrats.  You should leave the dark side and come on over if you can stand the truth. You will have to take and IQ test to prove you are smarter than Trump.  Now that I think about it I think one of you live in some Asian country where white americans go for underage women if my memory serves me correctly. 

[NWMan + 89]

On 7/13/2023 at 7:10 PM, notsonice said:

BS babble

"once again you post nothing but garbage."  If you are such an intellect why do you post insulting remarks.  Why do you not stick to the facts.  If you were sitting talking to these people face to face would you make these comments.  You are actually stopping people from commenting by being so rude.