GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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Countries Wage War Over Clean Energy Subsidies

 

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Countries-Wage-War-Over-Clean-Energy-Subsidies.html

Edited July 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes my post clearly says US. What is interesting is that the US is the #3 consumer of coal in the world. So a big decrease in the US will have a very real impact on global consumption. 

And a big increase in China and India coal production and consumption will drown the American change....so what is new?

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The big decrease in US coal use offsets the small increase in China use. 

That is yet to be seen, Jay. The plans are on the board for major increase in China.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

And a big increase in China and India coal production and consumption will drown the American change....so what is new?

Except that is not what is happening. 

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4 hours ago, turbguy said:

Why ignore recent data?

Because 2022 is the most recent complete year, and that is why you gave us the 2022 data as your first choice.

It was your own decision and choice, stop complaining.

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7 hours ago, surrept33 said:

the american right.... oof:

 

Again, this has nothing to do with the question of the hour, which is to what extent CO2 contributes to global warming...that is the decisive determination for the political chaos now enveloping the world.

The answer appears to be...CO2 has no impact on climate change.

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8 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Sigh.... The temperature increase has been linear Since the mid 19th century or nearly so regardless of CO2 increase which is NOT linear.  In fact CO2 is asymptotic.

Now add idiots like NASA Berkley etc all show ~3X higher increases in temp than satellite or buoy's all over the worlds oceans.  Then throw in USCRN data which goes from Puerto Rico to Alaska(last ~20 years) shows essentially zero temp increase yet NASA shows otherwise of course... as NASA loves its temp stations in paved parking lots in cities instead of only using stations far away from cities which can't be easily manipulated.  Throw in NASA's blatant temperature manipulations which ALL make old temp data COLDER across the world... they haven't even tried to hide their FRAUD recently at Reykjavik Iceland and multitude of other long term northern temperature stations so they can play make believe of massive Arctic heating even though we know the Northwest passage was open in ~1920's or so... yet today is full of ice.

Regarding where to place weather station..... 

Was in an online course organized by World Bank Open Learning Web... Started by showing modern technology used in monitoring weather, rain and such, problems faced etc, they asked question on discussion board. 

Amidst those high tech thingies echoing out by all other participants, one stupid  village kid showered the enthusiasm for high tech thingies with cold water.....:stated these:

1. Vertical Ruler, over a river, showing depth of water with direct reading. ( Compared to complicated digital thing that people here do not know how to use...) 'o' 'n'

2. Measuring Cylinder, to gather and measure amount of rain... Instead of larger container.... 

3. Location of stations, at low developed places with trees and river or water reservoir. 

Proud to mentioned they are solar powered designed by pioneers. 

Alright, now we have the secrete on why amount of rain is always so little and temperature is always reported as 32'C for the whole week, while actual temperature might have reached 38'C or 16'C.... 'o' >.< 

 

On the other hand, Weather report always uses one indicator i.e. capital city of a country. Therefore, they have station in the city. Might not be too badly off chart. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by specinho

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8 hours ago, surrept33 said:

the american right.... oof:

 

Was on linkedin discussing recession..." Recession in America from 1857 to 2009"... 

Bad news... Bad news....

" The latest culprit accused for recessions that happened at almost regular interval might be the flux of magnetic field, electrical field or such on earth every 10 to 12 years... 'o'

 

Natural occurrence that changes how brains function, for better or for worse...... Depending on dosage of exposure..... 'o' '-'

 

We should be panic... This natural phenomenon could become disaster if investigation is not made to control the way of change...

>.<"

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17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The big decrease in US coal use offsets the small increase in China use. 

I cannot help but take notice towards your lack of energy? As of late. Take heart there will be a plethora of used windmills to further these misguided ventures in Green Energy. I must point out there may well be a bounty placed on environmental activists. Could be a bit dicey...just saying.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I must point out there may Well be a bounty placed on environmental activists. Could be a bit dicey...just saying.

You don't have to mention your delusional fantasies; and caring about the environment is not a crime.

Meanwhile, in reality, the true criminals continue to be prosecuted. 

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15 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Because 2022 is the most recent complete year, and that is why you gave us the 2022 data as your first choice.

It was your own decision and choice, stop complaining.

I don't believe the earth cares about a calendar.

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

that is the decisive determination for the political chaos now enveloping the world.

 

there isn't political chaos enveloping the world. at least since the end of covid.

 

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

there isn't political chaos enveloping the world. at least since the end of covid.

 

There is major political and economic chaos being visited on the world due to the climate agenda.

Huge waste of public funds which could be better used helping poor people access health care and child support policies. Biden & Co. will have to print more money to pay for the ill-advised climate initiatives and stoke the fires of inflation again.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Countries-Wage-War-Over-Clean-Energy-Subsidies.html

"... not all fun and games in IRA-era United States, either. The initial price tag of the bill was a bit below $400 billion, to be spread over ten years. Last month, the University of Pennsylvania estimated that the price tag of the IRA will in fact top $1 trillion.

It could go even higher, too, because the subsidies envisaged in the bill are not capped—there is no upper limit. According to Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse, the Democrat legislators who voted the bill into law underestimated the cost of the subsidy package by as much as 300%. "

"The EU, meanwhile, is allocating half a trillion euros for its own subsidy efforts, packaged in the European Green Deal, another half a trillion should come from public and private financing under the InvestEU program as well as from national governments as individual contributions."

Edited July 17, 2023 by Ecocharger

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On 7/15/2023 at 2:18 AM, Ecocharger said:

Even a blind man could see that a curve fitted to this data gives a maximum point some years ago with a downward trend after that.

https://clintel.org/german-renewable-energies-expert-global-warming-is-going-to-pause-as-north-atlantic-cools/

"Why is the coming cooling in Europe not being reported?

It is astonishing that so far not a single German daily newspaper has reported on this encouraging message. In contrast, the apocalyptic delusion of the “last generation” financed with American foundation money receives wide space and benevolent judges. Hardly anyone questions the false narrative of the people who glue themselves to the street to protest.

Those who suppress such news of impending cooling are complicit in the politically induced destruction of our society. What did Economics Minister Robert Habeck (Greens) say recently in Qatar? He needs natural gas in the next few years, but in 7 years he won’t need it anymore, because Germany will get out of gas by then anyway. Why does he want to get out if it becomes not warmer in the next 20 years in Europe, but rather colder? Won’t we need even more gas than today if it cools down?

The publication of the climate researchers from Kiel, Hamburg, Bergen, Venice and Houston brings us another important insight. The warming of the years 1980 to 2015 was significantly influenced by the warm phase of the Atlantic Ocean. We can estimate that a significant part of the warming can be attributed to this natural cycle. This  period is used, among other things, to make temperature forecasts into the future. However, the models attribute the natural warming contribution to the CO2 effect. This incorrectly calculated, higher CO2 effect is carried forward into the future. Models that do not take into account the natural cyclical influences – and the models are not yet able to do so – thus arrive at warming forecasts that are far too strong.

It should not go unmentioned that there are a number of publications (such as this one involving Matthes and Omrani, Solar forcing synchronizes decadal North Atlantic climate variability) that consider a coupling of the strength of solar cycles with the North Atlantic Oscillation as likely. The last solar cycle from 2008 to 2019 was the weakest in 100 years. The current cycle so far is shaping up to be just as weak. The one-dimensionality of the climate and energy debate, culminating in the claim that CO2 emissions alone determine our climate, is quite frightening."

It doesnt appear that cooling is coming any time soon!

Weather - global heatwaves latest: China records 'highest ever temperature' - as 'severe heat storm' approaches Europe

https://news.sky.com/story/weather-global-heatwaves-latest-uk-europe-italy-us-china-south-korea-live-updates-12920226

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Wind And Solar To Generate 33% Of Global Power By 2030

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Wind-And-Solar-To-Generate-33-Of-Global-Power-By-2030.html

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On 7/7/2023 at 6:11 AM, Ecocharger said:

You have to show that human activity contributed to the temperature change. Just showing a graph of temperature change does not begin to do that.

If you had studied Econometrics, you would know how to interpret statistical models.

There you go: this shows that exactlty. Happy reading!

AR6 Synthesis Report: Climate Change 2023 — IPCC

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27 minutes ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said:

There you go: this shows that exactlty. Happy reading!

AR6 Synthesis Report: Climate Change 2023 — IPCC

Thanks for sharing the report!

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Washington Unleashes $20 Billion In Clean Energy Funds

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Washington-Unleashes-20-Billion-In-Clean-Energy-Funds.html

Enjoy the energy transition those Americans on here.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Rob Plant

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6 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Wind And Solar To Generate 33% Of Global Power By 2030

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Wind-And-Solar-To-Generate-33-Of-Global-Power-By-2030.html

Look at the source, a very biased clean energy lobby effort.

https://rmi.org/press-release/renewable-energy-deployment-puts-global-power-system-on-track-for-ambitious-net-zero-pathway/

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5 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said:

There you go: this shows that exactlty. Happy reading!

AR6 Synthesis Report: Climate Change 2023 — IPCC

Of course, you are joking, the IPCC is nothing but a lobby group using defunct climate models without considering solar variables. Where is the change here?

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Washington Unleashes $20 Billion In Clean Energy Funds

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Washington-Unleashes-20-Billion-In-Clean-Energy-Funds.html

Enjoy the energy transition those Americans on here.

It cannot happen without a financial crisis, a dead end route. The costs are prohibitive.

Huge waste of public funds which could be better used helping poor people access health care and child support policies. Biden & Co. will have to print more money to pay for the ill-advised climate initiatives and stoke the fires of inflation again.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Countries-Wage-War-Over-Clean-Energy-Subsidies.html

"... not all fun and games in IRA-era United States, either. The initial price tag of the bill was a bit below $400 billion, to be spread over ten years. Last month, the University of Pennsylvania estimated that the price tag of the IRA will in fact top $1 trillion.

It could go even higher, too, because the subsidies envisaged in the bill are not capped—there is no upper limit. According to Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse, the Democrat legislators who voted the bill into law underestimated the cost of the subsidy package by as much as 300%. "

"The EU, meanwhile, is allocating half a trillion euros for its own subsidy efforts, packaged in the European Green Deal, another half a trillion should come from public and private financing under the InvestEU program as well as from national governments as individual contributions."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bidens-ira-climate-bill-wont-cut-deficit-expected-2023-06-16/#:~:text=University of Pennsylvania now estimates,initial estimate of %24384.9 billion.

"University of Pennsylvania now estimates U.S. President Joe Biden’s signature law will cost $1.04 trillion over a decade, up from an initial estimate of $384.9 billion."

Edited July 17, 2023 by Ecocharger

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https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=465

"One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and long-term signal.  This animation shows how the same temperature data (black) that is used to determine the long-term global surface air warming trend of 0.19°C per decade (red) can be used inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue steps).  Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?  Several factors can have a large impact on short-term temperatures, such as oceanic cycles like the El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) or the 11-year solar cycle.  These short-term cycles don't have long-term effects on the Earth's temperature, unlike the continuing upward trend caused by global warming from human greenhouse gas emissions.

Source for data used in the graphic: Global mean monthly temperature anomalies, relative to the 1850-1900 mean, from Berkeley Earth."

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

It cannot happen without a financial crisis, a dead end route. The costs are prohibitive.

Huge waste of public funds which could be better used helping poor people access health care and child support policies. Biden & Co. will have to print more money to pay for the ill-advised climate initiatives and stoke the fires of inflation again.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Countries-Wage-War-Over-Clean-Energy-Subsidies.html

"... not all fun and games in IRA-era United States, either. The initial price tag of the bill was a bit below $400 billion, to be spread over ten years. Last month, the University of Pennsylvania estimated that the price tag of the IRA will in fact top $1 trillion.

It could go even higher, too, because the subsidies envisaged in the bill are not capped—there is no upper limit. According to Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse, the Democrat legislators who voted the bill into law underestimated the cost of the subsidy package by as much as 300%. "

"The EU, meanwhile, is allocating half a trillion euros for its own subsidy efforts, packaged in the European Green Deal, another half a trillion should come from public and private financing under the InvestEU program as well as from national governments as individual contributions."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bidens-ira-climate-bill-wont-cut-deficit-expected-2023-06-16/#:~:text=University of Pennsylvania now estimates,initial estimate of %24384.9 billion.

"University of Pennsylvania now estimates U.S. President Joe Biden’s signature law will cost $1.04 trillion over a decade, up from an initial estimate of $384.9 billion."

I thought you said EVs are not selling.......why would you then post that EV tax credits are going to be 3 times higher.....

Which is it???  EVs are dead? or EV tax credits are going to be taken advantage of to the effect that 3 times more credits will be spent????

Enjoy the transition as EV sales are going through the roof...and thanks for supporting EV sales through the tax incentives....money well spent.... and you are helping fund it???? ha ha ha ha  ha

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4 hours ago, Polyphia said:

https://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=465

"One of the most common misunderstandings amongst climate contrarians is the difference between short-term noise and long-term signal.  This animation shows how the same temperature data (black) that is used to determine the long-term global surface air warming trend of 0.19°C per decade (red) can be used inappropriately to "cherrypick" short time periods that show a cooling trend simply because the endpoints are carefully chosen and the trend is dominated by short-term noise in the data (blue steps).  Isn't it strange how six periods of cooling can add up to a clear warming trend over the last 4 decades?  Several factors can have a large impact on short-term temperatures, such as oceanic cycles like the El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) or the 11-year solar cycle.  These short-term cycles don't have long-term effects on the Earth's temperature, unlike the continuing upward trend caused by global warming from human greenhouse gas emissions.

Source for data used in the graphic: Global mean monthly temperature anomalies, relative to the 1850-1900 mean, from Berkeley Earth."

However, solar models predict the start of  along cooling trend at about 2020, which looks to be accurate.

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4 hours ago, notsonice said:

I thought you said EVs are not selling.......why would you then post that EV tax credits are going to be 3 times higher.....

Which is it???  EVs are dead? or EV tax credits are going to be taken advantage of to the effect that 3 times more credits will be spent????

Enjoy the transition as EV sales are going through the roof...and thanks for supporting EV sales through the tax incentives....money well spent.... and you are helping fund it???? ha ha ha ha  ha

Here is the problem, a ban by fiat on fossil fuel vehicles, the destruction of the poor and middle class personal transportation. Total waste of public funds if Biden & Co. actually proceed according to plan.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Report-Govts-Should-Fold-Bad-Bet-On-EVs.html

"Manhattan institute: if ICE bans are implemented, it could lead to a misallocation of capital in the “world’s $4 trillion personal mobility industry” and constraints on freedom.

One of the most important premises of the EV revolution is built on is that EVs will be, or already are, cheaper than ICE vehicles.

The EPA's strict tailpipe emission rules essentially force Big Auto to produce mostly EVs by 2032."

Edited July 18, 2023 by Ecocharger