TailingsPond + 563 GE Thursday at 06:29 PM 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: However, there has been very little response to reduced outdoor particulates, indicating that indoor solid fuels is the major contributor to health issues. Reduced indoor pollution has resulted in major reductions of morbidity and probably mortality (one follows the other). So there is no indication that PM2.5 is a significant driver of mortality or morbidity statistics. You contradict yourself in your own post. An outdoor PM2.5 particle from solid fuels is essentially the same as an indoor particle from solid fuels. Incomplete combustion from any form of hydrocarbon (be it wood, coal, oil, etc.) will make similar pollutants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,175 DM Friday at 08:42 PM (edited) Looks like the Conservatives, with their Luddite base, in the UK need to rethink their love for fossil fuels Bloomberg.com Climate Change: UK Election Result a Success for Labour's Green Agenda - Bloomberg 12 hours ago The Guardian ‘Keir Starmer take note’: UK’s green transition must start now, say experts 3 hours ago Financial News London Labour government is chance for ‘reset’ on UK’s green agenda, City’s ESG experts say 1 day ago More news Project Climate Vote: how the UK's climate majority found ... Greenpeace UK https://www.greenpeace.org.uk › news › project-climate... 8 hours ago — As the 2024 election approached and climate disasters piled up, over 200,000 Climate Voters worked together to push climate and nature up the ... Climate Change & the Environment polls & surveys YouGov https://yougov.co.uk › topics › politics › explore › topic Jun 24, 2024 — Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Climate Change & the Environment. Missing: agenda | Show results with: agenda Labour has a bright green mandate, now it needs to use it Business Green https://www.businessgreen.com › blog-post › labour-bri... 5 hours ago — The new government's climate plans are bolder and more radical than many people realise - it now has a duty to put them into action. Greens look forward to tectonic plates of British politics ... Green Party https://greenparty.org.uk › News 23 hours ago — As the polls close, Green Party Co-leader Adrian Ramsay, who is standing in Waveney Valley, said: “Tonight, Greens are on the brink of new ... Edited Friday at 08:53 PM by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,410 DL Friday at 10:30 PM The story of EVs, https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/EV-Maker-Polestar-Struggles-With-Hefty-Import-Tariffs-on-Chinese-made-Cars.html "Polestar, like other EV makers, faces declining demand due to a price war initiated by Tesla last year, causing many to struggle with unsold inventory. In the second quarter, Polestar delivered around 13,000 cars, missing Bernstein's forecast of 15,500." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,410 DL Friday at 10:31 PM On 7/4/2024 at 2:29 PM, TailingsPond said: You contradict yourself in your own post. An outdoor PM2.5 particle from solid fuels is essentially the same as an indoor particle from solid fuels. Incomplete combustion from any form of hydrocarbon (be it wood, coal, oil, etc.) will make similar pollutants. There is different decline profile, as I showed above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 563 GE Friday at 11:44 PM 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: There is different decline profile, as I showed above. You did not, you may have think you did. You still dodge the question. What forms of pollution would you accept regulatory restrictions? You seem to support all forms of pollution. Oh also what day is the reckoning happening and what is going to happen. I still can't "mark your words" as you predicted nothing. Pretty simple questions bud. Try answering some. Are you and Eyes shut the same account or something? Any day now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 563 GE Friday at 11:52 PM (edited) Just think of some forms of pollution you dislike. A really simple question. For example, can I dump a sharp waste container full of used needles and a truckload of liquid pig waste on your lawn? Would you require a longitudinal study to know that is a bad idea? Probably not. You could wait until the diseases present themselves in your family but that would be silly. Common logic is all that is needed here. Things that make you cough are bad, simple. Go breathe some smoke and get back to me. Edited Friday at 11:52 PM by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 563 GE yesterday at 01:44 AM Eco logic says that if you like bacon you should allow some pig shit to be put on your lawn. However, do not concern yourself because shit emissions are trending down and your family won't immediately get sick. If you eat bacon and don't allow the pig shit externality from the pork industry you are a hypocrite. That is the way fossil fuels work except people can choose not to eat pork - and should be exempt from their share of the pig shit. Most people have no choice but to breathe polluted air. Sadly, the best way to avoid polluted air is to stay inside with closed windows and run filtered air conditioning which makes more air pollution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,410 DL yesterday at 02:23 AM 38 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Eco logic says that if you like bacon you should allow some pig shit to be put on your lawn. However, do not concern yourself because shit emissions are trending down and your family won't immediately get sick. If you eat bacon and don't allow the pig shit externality from the pork industry you are a hypocrite. That is the way fossil fuels work except people can choose not to eat pork - and should be exempt from their share of the pig shit. Most people have no choice but to breathe polluted air. Sadly, the best way to avoid polluted air is to stay inside with closed windows and run filtered air conditioning which makes more air pollution. Read the data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,410 DL yesterday at 07:07 AM 10 hours ago, notsonice said: Looks like the Conservatives, with their Luddite base, in the UK need to rethink their love for fossil fuels Bloomberg.com Climate Change: UK Election Result a Success for Labour's Green Agenda - Bloomberg 12 hours ago The Guardian ‘Keir Starmer take note’: UK’s green transition must start now, say experts 3 hours ago Financial News London Labour government is chance for ‘reset’ on UK’s green agenda, City’s ESG experts say 1 day ago More news Project Climate Vote: how the UK's climate majority found ... Greenpeace UK https://www.greenpeace.org.uk › news › project-climate... 8 hours ago — As the 2024 election approached and climate disasters piled up, over 200,000 Climate Voters worked together to push climate and nature up the ... Climate Change & the Environment polls & surveys YouGov https://yougov.co.uk › topics › politics › explore › topic Jun 24, 2024 — Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Climate Change & the Environment. Missing: agenda | Show results with: agenda Labour has a bright green mandate, now it needs to use it Business Green https://www.businessgreen.com › blog-post › labour-bri... 5 hours ago — The new government's climate plans are bolder and more radical than many people realise - it now has a duty to put them into action. Greens look forward to tectonic plates of British politics ... Green Party https://greenparty.org.uk › News 23 hours ago — As the polls close, Green Party Co-leader Adrian Ramsay, who is standing in Waveney Valley, said: “Tonight, Greens are on the brink of new ... A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,410 DL yesterday at 07:08 AM On 7/4/2024 at 1:15 PM, Polyphia said: Scientific consensus is what the majority of scientists agree on at a particular point in time given the existing evidence. It is not a political term. And in no way is it true that the consensus cannot be/should not be challenged. We need to keep searching for better and more complete explanations, and good scientists do exactly that. No, there is no science "consensus" on climate or any science issue, things are in flux all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,175 DM yesterday at 08:29 AM (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. you sound upset with the election results in the UK........... Luddite........you keep dreaming that the clock is going to be turned back to 1970 did you notice that Coal is no longer used in the UK???? and Nat Gas use is declining rapidly........ Enjoy the Green Revolution Sunak's Government was dissolved yesterday..........your dream is dead..and Buried Greenpeace UK Sunak’s anti-green agenda buried in landslide victory General election results show a genuine appetite from voters for much stronger green policies from the government, Greenpeace UK said. . 23 hours ago https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/sunaks-divisive-anti-green-agenda-buried-in-landslide-victory/ Edited yesterday at 11:06 AM by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,175 DM yesterday at 08:47 AM Energy Digital Magazine EU Energy Revolution as Electricity Generation Greenest Ever The generation of clean electricity in Europe is setting records as renewables make up more than half of all power generation in the first... . 22 hours ago https://energydigital.com/articles/eu-energy-revolution-as-electricity-generation-greenest-ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 79 LT 11 hours ago 16 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No, there is no science "consensus" on climate or any science issue, things are in flux all the time. As others have noted, either your reading/general comprehension skills are lacking or you just enjoy gaslighting the crap out of everyone. Either way, you are wrong, almost everyone else knows it (with the exception of your fellow gas-lighters), and I am happy to leave it at that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 563 GE 11 hours ago 17 hours ago, Ecocharger said: A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. Any day now! What and when will happen again? I still can't "mark your words" if you predict nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 563 GE 10 hours ago (edited) 22 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read the data. Look at real-time air pollution numbers, look at the research. The air is dirtiest in oil and gas territory and there is zero doubt that PM2.5 causes a whole slew of illness. You can't win the toxins argument bud, argue about climate change all you want, but the toxic data is very clear. Fossil fuels --> air pollution --> air pollution related deaths. https://www.iqair.com/ca/usa/texas https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=PM+2.5+human+health Look at smog, you can see the pollution with your own eyes. Do you deny your own eyes? Edited 10 hours ago by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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