Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Polyphia said: You aren't paying attention to the whole story, but I know there isn't anything that could convince you otherwise. I posted some facts for you above...get back to me when you have digested them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Eco youre advocating against buying an ICE vehicle! Never would have believed it 🤣 Actually, fossil fuel vehicles burn less rubber tires than EVs, so this is not an argument which helps EVs. Edited July 20, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 July 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Actually, fossil fuel vehicles burn less rubber tires than EVs, so this is not an argument which helps EVs. Ya Don't say.....Interesting Buy Goodyear. Its Stock Could Rise 50% Thanks to EVs. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ July 20, 2023 http://www.ijaos.org/article/298/10.11648.j.ijaos.20210502.12 Lol written by 3 guys. None of them are climate scientists or meteorologists. I wonder if they started the 3 guys hamburger shop? The oil industry uses scientific shills from other areas to write this nonsense and the journaling process of approval is broken. One article against, and 1000's written by reputable scientists, not retired for. Pathetic Ecotomuchgas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ July 20, 2023 Actually Ecocharger thank you. You have provided a perfect example of the oil company disinformation articles written by nonprofessional fake atmospheric climate scientists. Reparations Now. Fine them. Fine Ecocharger for being an oil company shill! It is time for judgement and accountability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bloodman33 said: http://www.ijaos.org/article/298/10.11648.j.ijaos.20210502.12 Lol written by 3 guys. None of them are climate scientists or meteorologists. I wonder if they started the 3 guys hamburger shop? The oil industry uses scientific shills from other areas to write this nonsense and the journaling process of approval is broken. One article against, and 1000's written by reputable scientists, not retired for. Pathetic Ecotomuchgas. The science in this article looks good, who has challenged it? Nobody? I guess not. So it stands. And you think that this is a non-existent university? Okay, I guess you skipped university, right? Department of Electrical Engineering (Research Group for Environmental Monitoring), University of Applied Sciences Dortmund, Dortmund, Germany Edited July 20, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 59 minutes ago, bloodman33 said: Actually Ecocharger thank you. You have provided a perfect example of the oil company disinformation articles written by nonprofessional fake atmospheric climate scientists. Reparations Now. Fine them. Fine Ecocharger for being an oil company shill! It is time for judgement and accountability. Ecochump loves reposting articles written by fakers....it is all he has Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, notsonice said: Ecochump loves reposting articles written by fakers....it is all he has This looks good until someone challenges it...I am still waiting for that. Nothing? And this is a fake university? Department of Electrical Engineering (Research Group for Environmental Monitoring), University of Applied Sciences Dortmund, Dortmund, Germany This article highlights a problem with the CO2 hypothesis, that it had not taken into account the greenhouse gas effect of other atmospheric components. A fatal flaw which is exposed in this research. Edited July 20, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: This looks good until someone challenges it...I am still waiting for that. Nothing? And this is a fake university? Department of Electrical Engineering (Research Group for Environmental Monitoring), University of Applied Sciences Dortmund, Dortmund, Germany This article highlights a problem with the CO2 hypothesis, that it had not taken into account the greenhouse gas effect of other atmospheric components. A fatal flaw which is exposed in this research. you babbling again....... you post garbage all the time You are the King of BS 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 504 GE July 20, 2023 (edited) I don't doubt high-end EV's will burn more rubber. They have far more horsepower! Fossil boys complaining about "burning rubber" is funny, muscle cars were their favourites! Too bad EV have way, way more power so now they want to drive their little ICE cars like grandmas. Edited July 20, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 504 GE July 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Sorry, the greenhouse effect of CO2 is insignificant to global warming/cooling. End of story. http://www.ijaos.org/article/298/10.11648.j.ijaos.20210502.12 "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." You keep posting that. It clearly says CO2 is causing 3.3K increase. We only need to stop a handful of degrees increase ya know? It's not like we can reduce water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: You keep posting that. It clearly says CO2 is causing 3.3K increase. We only need to stop a handful of degrees increase ya know? It's not like we can reduce water. "This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 CO2 contributing 3.3K?????Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K.....how much of an increase in F 6?? 7??? degrees on average 24 hours a day 7 days a week for ever????? No wonder why Phoenix is roasting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ July 20, 2023 Ecocharger Why do you not post the 99% of scientific articles out there by climate scientists that show you a wrong? And feel free to explain to me the article and math. I do not have the time. My guess is you found it and have no idea what it says. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, bloodman33 said: Ecocharger Why do you not post the 99% of scientific articles out there by climate scientists that show you a wrong? And feel free to explain to me the article and math. I do not have the time. My guess is you found it and have no idea what it says. So you were unable to find any challenge to this article? I am not surprised. Get back to work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, notsonice said: CO2 contributing 3.3K?????Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K.....how much of an increase in F 6?? 7??? degrees on average 24 hours a day 7 days a week for ever????? No wonder why Phoenix is roasting Read, "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: Read, "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Phoenix is roasting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, notsonice said: Phoenix is roasting Read, even you can understand this, "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Edited July 20, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Read, "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Phoenix is roasting NBC News Phoenix heat shatters records after 19th day of 110+ degree temperatures Phoenix, Arizona is scorching with 110-plus temperatures for the 19th consecutive day, shattering a nearly 50-year record. . 1 day ago When the body temperature reaches 104 degrees the internal organs start to shut down. When it reaches 107 degrees the person dies. Leaving a child in a vehicle for a "quick" errand - even for a minute - could be a deadly mistake. Edited July 20, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, notsonice said: Phoenix is roasting NBC News Phoenix heat shatters records after 19th day of 110+ degree temperatures Phoenix, Arizona is scorching with 110-plus temperatures for the 19th consecutive day, shattering a nearly 50-year record. . 1 day ago When the body temperature reaches 104 degrees the internal organs start to shut down. When it reaches 107 degrees the person dies. Leaving a child in a vehicle for a "quick" errand - even for a minute - could be a deadly mistake. That's fine, but now they should be blaming the H2O content of the atmosphere, the most potent greenhouse gas. "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 Just now, Ecocharger said: That's fine, but now they should be blaming the H2O content of the atmosphere, the most potent greenhouse gas. "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." keep telling yourself it is not get hotter outside in relation to CO2, no one agrees with you except the idiots CO2 contributing 3.3K says it all ..thats 3.3 K too much now tell me it is not getting hotter.....no one believes you been to Phoenix lately...........Damn F....ing hot...thanks to the morons that deny global warming is happening Coal burning ....only idiots support it these days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/stories/fossil-fuels-and-climate-change-the-facts/ Fossil fuels and climate change: the facts What is the link between fossil fuels and climate change? When fossil fuels are burned, they release large amounts of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, into the air. Greenhouse gases trap heat in our atmosphere, causing global warming. Already the average global temperature has increased by 1C. Warming above 1.5°C risks further sea level rise, extreme weather, biodiversity loss and species extinction, as well as food scarcity, worsening health and poverty for millions of people worldwide. Get updates on our work What are fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are formed from the decomposition of buried carbon-based organisms that died millions of years ago. They create carbon-rich deposits that are extracted and burned for energy. They are non-renewable and currently supply around 80% of the world’s energy. They are also used to make plastic, steel and a huge range of products. There are three types of fossil fuel – coal, oil and gas. How big is the impact of fossil fuels on climate change and our planet? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has found that emissions from fossil fuels are the dominant cause of global warming. In 2018, 89% of global CO2 emissions came from fossil fuels and industry. Coal is a fossil fuel, and is the dirtiest of them all, responsible for over 0.3C of the 1C increase in global average temperatures. This makes it the single largest source of global temperature rise. Oil releases a huge amount of carbon when burned - approximately a third of the world’s total carbon emissions. There have also been a number of oil spills in recent years that have a devastating impact on our ocean’s ecosystem. Natural gas is often promoted as a cleaner energy source than coal and oil. However, natural gas is still a fossil fuel and accounts for a fifth of the world’s total carbon emissions. Can we keep burning fossil fuels? The IPCC warns that fossil fuel emissions must be halved within 11 years if global warming is to be limited to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels. In 2015, the world’s governments signed up to the Paris Agreement committing to reduce carbon emissions. However, a recent report by the UN Environment Programme shows that globally, we are on track to produce more than double the amount of coal, oil and gas by 2030 than we can burn if we are to limit global warming by 1.5C. So more needs to be done. What’s the role of fossil fuel companies in the future of our planet? Fossil fuel companies remain huge polluters, producing and selling fossil fuel products while scientists say we need a mass switch to renewable energy and efficiency. In 2019, BP spent millions on an advertising campaign about its low-carbon energy and cleaner natural gas. While its advertising focused on clean energy, in reality, more than 96% of BP’s annual expenditure is still on oil and gas. And it is definitely not just BP – it’s an industry-wide problem. That’s why, in December of 2019, we lodged a complaint with the UK National Contact Point about BP’s adverts. We also launched a campaign calling for a ban on fossil fuel advertising unless it comes with a tobacco-style health warning. Because the public should know the whole truth about fossil fuels. In February 2020, BP withdrew its advertisements and its CEO Bernard Looney said they would not be replaced under the company’s new policy promising an end to ‘corporate reputation advertising’. He also committed BP to redirecting its advertising resources towards advocating for progressive climate policies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, notsonice said: keep telling yourself it is not get hotter outside in relation to CO2, no one agrees with you except the idiots CO2 contributing 3.3K says it all ..thats 3.3 K too much now tell me it is not getting hotter.....no one believes you been to Phoenix lately...........Damn F....ing hot...thanks to the morons that deny global warming is happening Coal burning ....only idiots support it these days You are very number challenged today as usual. The H2O is by far the determining greenhouse gas, CO2 has insignificant impact. "From this data it is concluded that H2O is responsible for 29.4K of the 33K warming, with CO2 contributing 3.3K and CH4 and N2O combined just 0.3K. Climate sensitivity to future increases in CO2 concentration is calculated to be 0.50K, including the positive feedback effects of H2O, while climate sensitivities to CH4 and N2O are almost undetectable at 0.06K and 0.08K respectively. This result strongly suggests that increasing levels of CO2 will not lead to significant changes in earth temperature and that increases in CH4 and N2O will have very little discernable impact." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL July 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, notsonice said: https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/stories/fossil-fuels-and-climate-change-the-facts/ Fossil fuels and climate change: the facts What is the link between fossil fuels and climate change? When fossil fuels are burned, they release large amounts of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, into the air. Greenhouse gases trap heat in our atmosphere, causing global warming. Already the average global temperature has increased by 1C. Warming above 1.5°C risks further sea level rise, extreme weather, biodiversity loss and species extinction, as well as food scarcity, worsening health and poverty for millions of people worldwide. Get updates on our work What are fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are formed from the decomposition of buried carbon-based organisms that died millions of years ago. They create carbon-rich deposits that are extracted and burned for energy. They are non-renewable and currently supply around 80% of the world’s energy. They are also used to make plastic, steel and a huge range of products. There are three types of fossil fuel – coal, oil and gas. How big is the impact of fossil fuels on climate change and our planet? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has found that emissions from fossil fuels are the dominant cause of global warming. In 2018, 89% of global CO2 emissions came from fossil fuels and industry. Coal is a fossil fuel, and is the dirtiest of them all, responsible for over 0.3C of the 1C increase in global average temperatures. This makes it the single largest source of global temperature rise. Oil releases a huge amount of carbon when burned - approximately a third of the world’s total carbon emissions. There have also been a number of oil spills in recent years that have a devastating impact on our ocean’s ecosystem. Natural gas is often promoted as a cleaner energy source than coal and oil. However, natural gas is still a fossil fuel and accounts for a fifth of the world’s total carbon emissions. Can we keep burning fossil fuels? The IPCC warns that fossil fuel emissions must be halved within 11 years if global warming is to be limited to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels. In 2015, the world’s governments signed up to the Paris Agreement committing to reduce carbon emissions. However, a recent report by the UN Environment Programme shows that globally, we are on track to produce more than double the amount of coal, oil and gas by 2030 than we can burn if we are to limit global warming by 1.5C. So more needs to be done. What’s the role of fossil fuel companies in the future of our planet? Fossil fuel companies remain huge polluters, producing and selling fossil fuel products while scientists say we need a mass switch to renewable energy and efficiency. In 2019, BP spent millions on an advertising campaign about its low-carbon energy and cleaner natural gas. While its advertising focused on clean energy, in reality, more than 96% of BP’s annual expenditure is still on oil and gas. And it is definitely not just BP – it’s an industry-wide problem. That’s why, in December of 2019, we lodged a complaint with the UK National Contact Point about BP’s adverts. We also launched a campaign calling for a ban on fossil fuel advertising unless it comes with a tobacco-style health warning. Because the public should know the whole truth about fossil fuels. In February 2020, BP withdrew its advertisements and its CEO Bernard Looney said they would not be replaced under the company’s new policy promising an end to ‘corporate reputation advertising’. He also committed BP to redirecting its advertising resources towards advocating for progressive climate policies. I checked on the IPCC publication for this year, pages and pages of warnings and forecasts, but.....ZERO citations. No science. Just hot air. Enough hot air to start another forest fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,101 DM July 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: I checked on the IPCC publication for this year, pages and pages of warnings and forecasts, but.....ZERO citations. No science. Just hot air. Enough hot air to start another forest fire. 14 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: I checked on the IPCC publication for this year, pages and pages of warnings and forecasts, but.....ZERO citations. No science. Just hot air. Enough hot air to start another forest fire. Just hot air???? well check the temperatures around the globe.......thanks to the idiots that promote Coal ....Oil...nat gas..... keep telling yourself it is not get hotter outside in relation to CO2, no one agrees with you except the idiots CO2 contributing 3.3K says it all ..thats 3.3 K too much now tell me it is not getting hotter.....no one believes you been to Phoenix lately...........Damn F....ing hot...thanks to the morons that deny global warming is happening Coal burning ....only idiots support it these days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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