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That old coal habit is hard to shake, even in  Europe.

"coal demand is strengthening, including in Germany.

At the time of writing, Germany, a frontrunner in the net-zero transition, was generating most of its electricity from coal, according to electricityMap. The same was true for the end of June. 

Great Britain, also an ambitious net-zero nation, was generating most of its electricity from natural gas. If these two need to rely so heavily on fossil fuels, then the IEA’s scenario for net-zero will be really challenging."

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36 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We will just have to increase our capacity some from 2018 level. Not a problem. 

Jay, you have nothing BUT problems.

"coal demand is strengthening, including in Germany.

At the time of writing, Germany, a frontrunner in the net-zero transition, was generating most of its electricity from coal, according to electricityMap. The same was true for the end of June. 

Great Britain, also an ambitious net-zero nation, was generating most of its electricity from natural gas. If these two need to rely so heavily on fossil fuels, then the IEA’s scenario for net-zero will be really challenging."

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22 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, you have nothing BUT problems.

"coal demand is strengthening, including in Germany.

At the time of writing, Germany, a frontrunner in the net-zero transition, was generating most of its electricity from coal, according to electricityMap. The same was true for the end of June. 

Great Britain, also an ambitious net-zero nation, was generating most of its electricity from natural gas. If these two need to rely so heavily on fossil fuels, then the IEA’s scenario for net-zero will be really challenging."

Last I checked California wasn't in Germany or Great Britain.

The transition is still in early days, for all of us. No problem out there that the road map doesn't overcome. Coal demand is only increasing this year in Germany for the same reason it is increasing here. Recovery from the pandemic.

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Last I checked California wasn't in Germany or Great Britain.

The transition is still in early days, for all of us. No problem out there that the road map doesn't overcome. Coal demand is only increasing this year in Germany for the same reason it is increasing here. Recovery from the pandemic.

 

 

 

Jay, what "roadmap" are you referring to? In your chart, natural gas is the dominant source. Just as I told you above. The IEA has wandered off the roadmap they set out, they are now reversing themselves and calling for increased oil production. Could you Green folks get yourself on the same page? Right now you are wandering in chaos.

Check the heavy carbon intensity for Germany,

https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/DE

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, what "roadmap" are you referring to? The IEA has wandered off the roadmap they set out, they are now reversing themselves and calling for increased oil production. Could you Green folks get yourself on the same page? Right now you are wandering in chaos.

Revolutions are chaotic. 

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Revolutions are chaotic. 

You have proven your chaos beyond any reasonable doubt.

Use your pointer over the map I gave you above and observe the carbon intensity for Germany, Britain, Poland, Russia.....carbon looks to have a very healthy future.

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

 

Use your pointer over the map I gave you above and observe the carbon intensity for Germany, Britain, Poland, Russia.....carbon looks to have a very healthy future.

Cherry picking moments in time is irrelevant. What matters is annual usage. What you can see from the charts I provided is that renewables are growing fast, fossil is fading.

Here is the problem you have:

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On 7/11/2021 at 3:33 AM, Ecocharger said:

Like most projections and predictions about energy, stay tuned for daily updates and revisions.

We have already seen the new guys in Washington deep six the idea of gasoline taxes, went over like a lead balloon. 

If EVs come into play in a big way, coal will be needed, new coal-burning technology, not the old dirty type which are now being laid to rest. Probably a good thing. Those "50 year-old units" are outdated.

Dunno why anyone wants to promote coal, its dirty and kills people

https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, what "roadmap" are you referring to? In your chart, natural gas is the dominant source. Just as I told you above. The IEA has wandered off the roadmap they set out, they are now reversing themselves and calling for increased oil production. Could you Green folks get yourself on the same page? Right now you are wandering in chaos.

Check the heavy carbon intensity for Germany,

https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/DE

theyre falling though

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uks-co2-emissions-have-fallen-29-per-cent-over-the-past-decade

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The mining, cleaning/processing/transporting, and combusting coal is a filthy business at every step.

 

Coal’s only advantages were it was abundant, fairly cheap, somewhat storable, and employed a lot of people.

 

And once you are done with it, you still have wastes to dispose of.  A LOT of waste.

 

Traditional coal-fired steam plants have no hope of every achieving the thermal efficiency that nat gas can do.  You still throw away more than ½ of the energy you release.  Affordable metallurgy prevents significant increases.

Remember the three laws of thermodynamics:

 

First law:  YOU CAN’T WIN.

 

Second law:   YOU CAN’T EVEN BREAK EVEN.

 

Third Law:  YOU CAN’T GET OUT OF THE GAME.   

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Cherry picking moments in time is irrelevant. What matters is annual usage. What you can see from the charts I provided is that renewables are growing fast, fossil is fading.

Here is the problem you have:

Those are not real numbers, Jay, those are fantasy projections into the future. There is a huge difference.

The actual facts are that coal is on the upswing, American coal production is increasing 15% this year, Chinese and Indian coal production is zooming into the stratosphere. 

Those are the real numbers.

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6 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Dunno why anyone wants to promote coal, its dirty and kills people

https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

It is safe to use with the new technology.

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Here is where the rubber meets the road, excuse the pun.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-IEAs-Climate-Warnings-Grow-Louder-But-Is-Anyone-Listening.html

Is anyone listening? No, and why should they?

The CO2 climate models have been exposed as defective and unscientific. Why would anyone pay attention to them?

I certainly do not.

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Those are not real numbers, Jay, those are fantasy projections into the future. There is a huge difference.

NThe actual facts are that coal is on the upswing, American coal production is increasing 15% this year, Chinese and Indian coal production is zooming into the stratosphere. 

Those are the real numbers.

HaHa, no, they are the law. 

Germany's coal exit plan becomes law

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-coal-parliament-law-factbox/factbox-germanys-coal-exit-plan-becomes-law-idUSKBN2441BJ

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10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

It is safe to use with the new technology.

We are still waiting for you to explain this new technology to us.

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7 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

HaHa, no, they are the law. 

Germany's coal exit plan becomes law

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-coal-parliament-law-factbox/factbox-germanys-coal-exit-plan-becomes-law-idUSKBN2441BJ

Laws change when governments change...change is the law of politics.

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7 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

We are still waiting for you to explain this new technology to us.

It was explained to you more than once.

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

It was explained to you more than once.

HaHa, We have established that you have no idea what this supposed new technology is or how it is supposed to work. 

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On 7/11/2021 at 10:34 AM, Ecocharger said:

I find it hard to believe that there are no advances in the past 40 years in the engineering structure of plants.

That sounds like lazy science.

Here you acknowledge that you have no knowledge of any advances in 40 years. 

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45 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Here you acknowledge that you have no knowledge of any advances in 40 years. 

We discussed this on previous pages, Jay. Go back and read.

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

We discussed this on previous pages, Jay. Go back and read.

Yes we discussed it and you admitted that you had no knowledge of any technological advances in coal power in 40 years.

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Uh oh, another blockade on the road to Green Dreamsville.

Reality is again intruding into the head space of Green Revolutionaries, another financial reality check has come up to bite the backsides of non-CO2 dreamers. Ouch!!

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/India-Rich-Economies-Must-Help-Foot-Our-Energy-Transition-Bill.html

India has demanded money, lots of it, to finance the green transition. The Green Dream is being held hostage.

"India’s situation is even more complex. The country is the world’s third-biggest emitter of carbon dioxide, but shifting away from fossil fuels to renewable energy will be financially challenging. This may bust the myth of cheap solar and wind power but it also highlights the difficulty in distributing the cost of the transition.

“We have our own developmental imperatives,” Gupta explained to Bloomberg. “If you want that I don’t emit carbon, then provide finance. It will be much more than $100 billion per year for developing nations.”

Because of these cost challenges, India has no plans to update its emissions reduction target, dubbed the Nationally Determined Contribution, which it released in 2015 and was expected to revise by 2020.

“This is not the final decision, but most probably we won’t file a revised NDC,” Gupta said. “Let there be a decision on climate finance first.”"

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5 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes we discussed it and you admitted that you had no knowledge of any technological advances in coal power in 40 years.

No, go back and read.

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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, go back and read.

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6 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are stuck in a groove again...read the posts on new toxic emissions reductions. And stop trying to change the topic.  The new coal technology is being rapidly adopted in China and India. But India wants you to help finance them, see above.

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