GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Plug-ins are fossil fuel cars, get real.

Yes, yes they are if they are hybrid NOT BEV's!

You clearly couldnt be bothered to read the article

here is the main gist of it as you missed it the first time!

Of the 13,342 new vehicles sold in Norway in May, 10 773 (80.7%) were fully electric BEV passenger vehicles, 703 (5.3%) were plug-in hybrids and another 725 (5.4%) were new zero-emission vans.

Another 399 (3%) were non-plug-in hybrids and just 435 (3.3%) cars fuelled only by petrol and diesel were sold.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Rob Plant

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So Eco 80.7% of ALL new vehicles in Norway in May this year were EV's! Excluding ALL hybrids.

Do you still stand by your statement that "There are no alternatives for mass private transportation"?

Edited August 10, 2023 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

Germany Plans $63 Billion In Green Energy Investments For 2024

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germany-Plans-63-Billion-In-Green-Energy-Investments-For-2024.html

They are also going to implement a hydrogen strategy, Mark Lawson will be annoyed! That'll piss on his chips where his new book is concerned.

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

9 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

So Eco 80.7% of ALL new vehicles in Norway in May this year were EV's! Excluding ALL hybrids.

Do you still stand by your statement that "There are no alternatives for mass private transportation"?

Overall in the EU gasoline demand for vehicles has increased in recent years, so Norway is an outlier, although you have not shown overall rolling stock numbers for even Norway where fossil fuel vehicles still dominate.

Fossil fuels dominate the energy market, there has been no real change in the past fifty years.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Fossil-Fuels-Still-Account-For-82-Of-Primary-Global-Energy-Consumption.html

"The global energy mix in 2023 showed continued dominance of fossil fuels at 82% primary energy consumption, with renewables like wind and solar seeing rapid expansion.

The Russia-Ukraine war profoundly impacted energy markets, driving up natural gas and coal prices while disrupting energy imports and altering coal phase-out plans in Europe.

Carbon dioxide emissions from energy reached a record 34.4 billion metric tons, highlighting the increasing gap from Paris Agreement targets, even as renewable energy sources like wind and solar achieved significant milestones."

Edited August 10, 2023 by Ecocharger

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The politicians of Europe, like their American counterparts, are involved in tricks to conceal the actual cost of the supposed "transition" and of how much these schemes would immiserate the average citizen.

This is the worst kind of political chicanery and deserves a thorough voter revolt in coming elections.

A genuine Blizzard of Lies.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germans-wary-costs-and-lifestyle-changes-due-climate-protection-survey

"....55% said climate protection should not cost consumers anything"

Edited August 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

On 8/10/2023 at 5:30 AM, Rob Plant said:

So Eco 80.7% of ALL new vehicles in Norway in May this year were EV's! Excluding ALL hybrids.

Do you still stand by your statement that "There are no alternatives for mass private transportation"?

Gasoline demand is strong and getting stronger in Europe. And Norway has increased gasoline consumption.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

 

 

Source: JODI, IECF, 2023 and EOA, 2023

Edited August 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

[TailingsPond + 1,008]

16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The politicians of Europe, like their American counterparts, are involved in tricks to conceal the actual cost of the supposed "transition" and of how much these schemes would immiserate the average citizen.

This is the worst kind of political chicanery and deserves a thorough voter revolt in coming elections.

A genuine Blizzard of Lies.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germans-wary-costs-and-lifestyle-changes-due-climate-protection-survey

"....55% said climate protection should not cost consumers anything"

You always cherry pick snippets you like. Here you ignore the fact that most people want coal gone.

"Most Germans see afforestation of natural lands as the best measure to promote climate protection, followed by research, home renovations, renewable energy expansion, bicycle paths and the phase-out of coal."

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2 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

You always cherry pick snippets you like. Here you ignore the fact that most people want coal gone.

"Most Germans see afforestation of natural lands as the best measure to promote climate protection, followed by research, home renovations, renewable energy expansion, bicycle paths and the phase-out of coal."

But they do not expect the transition to cost them anything...that is the lie which the politicians have sold to them.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

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15 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

So Eco 80.7% of ALL new vehicles in Norway in May this year were EV's! Excluding ALL hybrids.

Do you still stand by your statement that "There are no alternatives for mass private transportation"?

1. "Gasoline consumption in non-EU members, Norway and the UK, also increased in February MoM and YoY."

Edited August 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Gasoline demand is strong and getting stronger in Europe. And Norway has increased gasoline consumption.

A lot of those "increases" are just covid recovery.  People haven't travelled much in years so there will be a temporary jump in travel as people finally go on delayed trips.

[TailingsPond + 1,008]

11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

But they do not expect the transition to cost them anything...that is the lie which the politicians have sold to them.

  Is anything nice in life free?  Are some people just cheap and want to freeload off others?

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3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

  Is anything nice in life free?  Are some people just cheap and want to freeload off others?

These are political lies designed to deceive the public in a massive way...those politicians deserve to be exposed and given the bum's rush out of Washington.

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

A lot of those "increases" are just covid recovery.  People haven't travelled much in years so there will be a temporary jump in travel as people finally go on delayed trips.

Oil demand is at an all-time high and will continue to surge, nothing to do with Covid.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Ecocharger

[TailingsPond + 1,008]

11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Oil demand is at an all-time high

Plenty of "No" listed in the "higher than 2019 column."

Canada is No, No, No.

Edited August 11, 2023 by TailingsPond

[TailingsPond + 1,008]

15 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

These are political lies designed to deceive the public in a massive way...those politicians deserve to be exposed and given the bum's rush out of Washington.

German data... try to keep up.

Edited August 11, 2023 by TailingsPond

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

"The global energy mix in 2023 showed continued dominance of fossil fuels at 82% primary energy consumption, with renewables like wind and solar seeing rapid expansion.

We were discussing if there was a viable alternative to ICE for the general public and you change the subject to powergen!

And even then you post "renewables like wind and solar seeing rapid expansion."

I take it you concede there is an alternative then as per the example of Norway. It doesnt matter what the overall vehicle mix is, the statement you made was "there is no alternative to ICE" when the country of Norway has demonstrated that youre wrong with over 80% of new vehicles being EV.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

7 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Gasoline demand is strong and getting stronger in Europe. And Norway has increased gasoline consumption.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

 

 

Source: JODI, IECF, 2023 and EOA, 2023

Again deflection from the original point

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

7 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

1. "Gasoline consumption in non-EU members, Norway and the UK, also increased in February MoM and YoY."

That was 6 months ago!

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Plenty of "No" listed in the "higher than 2019 column."

Canada is No, No, No.

France YES Germany YES America YES YES YES!!!

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

German data... try to keep up.

The Germans can give the bum's rush to their own bums in the Reichstag.

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

24 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

That was 6 months ago!

Have you got more recent numbers? The trend is apparently continuing.

[Ecocharger + 1,474]

27 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

We were discussing if there was a viable alternative to ICE for the general public and you change the subject to powergen!

And even then you post "renewables like wind and solar seeing rapid expansion."

I take it you concede there is an alternative then as per the example of Norway. It doesnt matter what the overall vehicle mix is, the statement you made was "there is no alternative to ICE" when the country of Norway has demonstrated that youre wrong with over 80% of new vehicles being EV.

I challenged you to show what percentage of Norwegian vehicles are EV/ICE...how would Norwegian gasoline demand rise so quickly without fossil fuel vehicles? Try thinking before you speak.

The bottom line is that Norwegian demand for gasoline is ramping up.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

I challenged you to show what percentage of Norwegian vehicles are EV/ICE...how would Norwegian gasoline demand rise so quickly without fossil fuel vehicles? Try thinking before you speak.

The bottom line is that Norwegian demand for gasoline is ramping up.

No you didnt challenge me on anything. I challenged your statement that there was no alternative to ICE which I believe I have resoundingly  proven to be false.

I'll agree with you that large parts of the US there is no alternative to ICE, but thats because you have no infrastructure and are lagging behind the rest of the Western world.

Anyway try researching before you post! Your challenge is accepted and debunked below.

Having surpassed an electric vehicle share of 50 percent in 2020, the wealthy Scandinavian country continued its transition to e-mobility last year. According to the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV), electric cars accounted for 79 percent of new passenger car registrations in 2022, and 87 percent when including plug-in hybrids. To put things in perspective, a look across the pond yields an entirely different picture: in the United States, electric vehicles excluding hybrids accounted for just 2.6 percent of passenger car sales in 2021.

https://www.statista.com/chart/23863/electric-car-share-in-norway/

So back in 2020 the total market share was 50% which will certainly be significantly higher now as 80% of new cars since then have been EV's. If you've ever been to Norway you'll know that an ICE vehicle is a rare sight these days.

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Rob Plant

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

I'll agree with you that large parts of the US there is no alternative to ICE, but thats because you have no infrastructure and are lagging behind the rest of the Western world.

Mr. Plant the US is not lagging, the country is just not going In that direction. You might do better citing a countrys  who's population is the size of one city...and on the other hand is more than probably one of richest nations on earth due to oil wealth..Atfer all what country has 5 million people and 1 trillion in the bank...note that's cash on hand ole boy.

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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17 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Mr. Plant the US is not lagging, the country is just not going In that direction. You might do better citing a countrys  who's population is the size of one city and one of the largest oil production nations on earth..

 

So you agree there is an alternative then such as Norway and that is a proven fact.

By area Norway is not dissimilar to a small US state

Or if you want to be pedantic lets take China

https://daxueconsulting.com/electric-vehicle-market-in-china/

Edited August 11, 2023 by Rob Plant