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58 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is from one of the the articles above quoted, indicating that reduced air pollution levels due to stricter rules in North America and Europe can potentially explain most of the observed temperature change in recent decades.

In other words, CO2 has an even more minute impact on temperature change, something which the standard climate alarmists have failed to take into consideration.

You are now arguing that anthropogenic climate change does exit. You are just changing the mechanism.

At least you now admit human activity is changing the climate. Progress!  Most luddites claim that human activity can not change the climate because we are so insignificant.   Yada yada.

 

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On 8/5/2023 at 3:35 PM, TailingsPond said:

You are now arguing that anthropogenic climate change does exit. You are just changing the mechanism.

At least you now admit human activity is changing the climate. Progress!  Most luddites claim that human activity can not change the climate because we are so insignificant.   Yada yada.

 

No one has ever argued that anthropogenic impacts on climate did not exist, that is your own wild fantasy.

However, the notion that CO2 is a significant climate driver is utter nonsense, as many studies have shown.

The standard science advice pushing anti-CO2 policy does not consider the clear results of recent research.

Edited August 6, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Coal is enshrined as the King of Energy. The go-to affordable and convenient provider of reliable energy.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/China-Has-Approved-More-Than-50-Gigawatts-Of-New-Coal-Power.html

"China’s coal output increased 9% to 4.5 billion tons last year.

China approved more than 50 gigawatts of new coal power in the first half of 2023.

The global energy crisis brought by Russia’s war in Ukraine has triggered a coal ‘spring’ in Europe."

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No one has ever argued that anthropogenic impacts on climate did not exist, that is your own wild fantasy.

Absolute lie and you know it.  Plenty of people say the warming is sun cycles etc. and completely deny human caused changes.

Google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

You are making yourself look foolish.  You were making progress do not regress!

Once again for the reading impaired:

"No one has ever argued that anthropogenic impacts on climate did not exist"  Do you agree with that statement?

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Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates, conservative think tanks and conservative alternative media, often in the United States.[16][20][21][22] More than 90% of papers that are skeptical on climate change originate from right-wing think tanks.[23]

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20 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Absolute lie and you know it.  Plenty of people say the warming is sun cycles etc. and completely deny human caused changes.

Google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

You are making yourself look foolish.  You were making progress do not regress!

Once again for the reading impaired:

"No one has ever argued that anthropogenic impacts on climate did not exist"  Do you agree with that statement?

Do you believe everything on Google and Wiki?? 

Lots of crappy left wing propaganda posted  on those sites and here too. 

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9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Absolute lie and you know it.  Plenty of people say the warming is sun cycles etc. and completely deny human caused changes.

Google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

You are making yourself look foolish.  You were making progress do not regress!

Once again for the reading impaired:

"No one has ever argued that anthropogenic impacts on climate did not exist"  Do you agree with that statement?

Of course solar cycles are the dominant driver of climate changes, that is obvious. But particulates have short term impacts, which I have been pointing out to you for a long time. 

How could you forget that?

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9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Climate change denial has been associated with the fossil fuels lobby, the Koch brothers, industry advocates, conservative think tanks and conservative alternative media, often in the United States.[16][20][21][22] More than 90% of papers that are skeptical on climate change originate from right-wing think tanks.[23]

You are talking through your hat again, dreaming wild fantasies. I gave you the straight goods but you insist on regurgitating disproven nonsense.

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India demand for oil is skyrocketing.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Indias-Oil-Demand-Is-Rising

"India’s oil consumption jumped by 10% year on year in the fiscal year 2022/2023 ended on March 31, and demand has been growing in the new financial year, too.

Consumption of petroleum products in the world’s third-largest crude oil importer increased by 10% to around 223 million tons in 2022/2023, Minister of State for Petroleum and Natural Gas, Rameswar Teli, wrote in a reply to a question in Parliament, as carried by Indian media.

Strong economic growth, an increase in vehicle sales, and growing industrialization and urbanization led to the higher demand for fuels, the minister noted."   

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oilfield Services Giants Signal Weaker U.S. Shale DrillinThe growth in petroleum demand in India was driven by a 13% rise in gasoline consumption and an increase of 12% in diesel consumption."

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17 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Do you believe everything on Google and Wiki?? 

Lots of crappy left wing propaganda posted  on those sites and here too. 

Do you believe "[nobody has denied anthropogenic climate change]"?

Don't defend outright outright stupid statements like that.

PS the wiki page provided references.

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9 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Of course solar cycles are the dominant driver of climate changes, that is obvious.

See you jump right back into a form of denialism.

 

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9 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You are talking through your hat again, dreaming wild fantasies. I gave you the straight goods but you insist on regurgitating disproven nonsense.

You are not the arbiter of truth. There is a consensus and you are not part of it.

But keep up with your denialism.**  Extreme arrogance combined with ignorance and tantrums is entertaining to watch; why do you think people watch trump news?  You should express some of your frustration on Truth Social.  "I'm right and nobody will listen to me!"

**"climate change denial" refers to denial, dismissal or unwarranted doubt of the scientific consensus on the rate and extent of global warming, its significance, or its connection to human behaviour, in whole or in part.[29][30] "

 

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35 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

See you jump right back into a form of denialism.

 

Man, YOU are the one in denial, your guys have been exposed as science chumps.

Their models are full of holes and ignore the major climate variables, a laughing-stock.

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15 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

You are not the arbiter of truth. There is a consensus and you are not part of it.

But keep up with your denialism.**  Extreme arrogance combined with ignorance and tantrums is entertaining to watch; why do you think people watch trump news?  You should express some of your frustration on Truth Social.  "I'm right and nobody will listen to me!"

**"climate change denial" refers to denial, dismissal or unwarranted doubt of the scientific consensus on the rate and extent of global warming, its significance, or its connection to human behaviour, in whole or in part.[29][30] "

 

I notice that you had nothing to say when the real science papers are discussed here.

That tells me everything I need to know about your lack of science credentials.

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 your guys have been exposed as science chumps.

No, that is your fantasy.

Meanwhile in reality...

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10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 

That tells me everything I need to know about your lack of science credentials.

You insult the scientific community because your logic skills are weak. You fail to understand that ad hominems don't change the data, the consensus amongst the experts who actually do the research, or public opinion.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Man, YOU are the one in denial, your guys have been exposed as science chumps.

It would be a evolutionary left over..or carry over? Monkey see monkey Do...It's complicated...

 

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It would be a evolutionary left over..or carry over? Monkey see monkey Do...It's complicated...

 

Those are chimpanzees.

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3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You insult the scientific community because your logic skills are weak. You fail to understand that ad hominems don't change the data, the consensus amongst the experts who actually do the research, or public opinion.

No, you are insulting science itself by refusing to engage in thoughtful discussion.

Science is not a fixed body of knowledge but a methodology of testing hypotheses. There are no free rides in science for ideas, they all have to submit to testable formulations, there are no sacred cows. This is where real science departs from the Greta Thunberg's and other ideologues who refuse to engage the data. You and Greta are not relevant to the discussion.

There is no "scientific consensus" on any issue, everything must be tested and subjected to further testing as new hypotheses emerge.

Yesterday's ideologies must give way to new approaches, that is how the genuine science paradigm functions.

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It would be a evolutionary left over..or carry over? Monkey see monkey Do...It's complicated...

 

Is this a photo of our recent science chump (chimp?) advising the Biden folks? Looks like it.

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38 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yesterday's ideologies must give way to new approaches, that is how the genuine science paradigm functions.

 

Go preach your view to the masses. See if your ideology can gain any traction.... It won't.

You are the one stuck to old ideologies ("fossil fuels cause no harm").

You are also wrong about how scientific paradigm shifts occur. They are not caused by convincing others or even the evidence. The lasting change occurs when the old guard dies off and is replaced with young, fresh, open minds.  Plank, a legendary scientist, understood this:

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ...

An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.

— Max Planck, Scientific autobiography, 1950, p. 33, 97"

I assure you the younger generation will not be convinced of your climate misinformation, and your death will occur relatively shortly, and with it some ignorance.  Go talk to the youth and listen! 

The future will be increasingly liberal and electric regardless of the fossil-human's opinions.  Remember when racism, homophobia and sexism were completely acceptable? I'm sure YOU do, and probably think of it as the "good old days."  The young will not tolerate that anymore.

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Is this a photo of our recent science chump (chimp?) advising the Biden folks? Looks like it.

A striking thought, but to much more commentary will more than likely get a 2 page Chinese fire drill going..nasty stuff.

 

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20 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

A striking thought, but to much more commentary will more than likely get a 2 page Chinese fire drill going..nasty stuff.

 

If you ignore the alarms, or otherwise act stupidly during fire drills, you will burn to death when there is an actual fire.  Is it better to be proactive and prepared or ignore risks because they are inconvenient or scary?

We know that "fake evacuations / fire drills" save lives.  You are so convinced that the earth is not at risk due to ignorance and arrogance, but consider the consequences if you are wrong, the penalty would be huge. 

If we act on climate change - and it ends up being false - we still get to live and would have cleaner air, water, and energy independence.

Not sure why you brought up the Chinese while referencing an American, fictional, TV show.

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Can you guys rub together your collective brain cells and come up with something better than an insult or meme?

 

 

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6 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Go preach your view to the masses. See if your ideology can gain any traction.... It won't.

You are the one stuck to old ideologies ("fossil fuels cause no harm").

You are also wrong about how scientific paradigm shifts occur. They are not caused by convincing others or even the evidence. The lasting change occurs when the old guard dies off and is replaced with young, fresh, open minds.  Plank, a legendary scientist, understood this:

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ...

An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth.

— Max Planck, Scientific autobiography, 1950, p. 33, 97"

I assure you the younger generation will not be convinced of your climate misinformation, and your death will occur relatively shortly, and with it some ignorance.  Go talk to the youth and listen! 

The future will be increasingly liberal and electric regardless of the fossil-human's opinions.  Remember when racism, homophobia and sexism were completely acceptable? I'm sure YOU do, and probably think of it as the "good old days."  The young will not tolerate that anymore.

The plans to eliminate fossil fuels would cause terminal economic dislocation and breakdown long before you or I taste the dust, don't worry about that.

And don't think that people are so easily fooled as you seem to believe, when their standard of living is threatened with obliteration, people can be very attentive.