GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

So like slowly boiling a frog?

You did, for all intents and purposes, accept that a 120ppm increase in CO2 will increase global temp by at least 0.24K. So letting CO2 run wild is still not really acceptable.

The planet cares not about politics.

That is .0009 increase, not even a miniscule increase. Not worth sacrificing anything for.

And the causation appears to be the opposite of CO2 to temperature.

When global cooling begins soon due to solar cycles, CO2 will also decline.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Ecocharger

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45 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco if you sign up to be part of the EU then yes it is an authoritarian system and what is right for some countries isnt for others.

Can you imagine the US being in a coalition government system with Canada and Mexico, and the US being outvoted on something and having to go along with a law you didnt agree with? Welcome to the EU!

If you like being told what to do without thinking (like a sheep) then I guess its perfect.

Generally I give people more credit than that and ultimately laws that didnt suit the UK were one of the main drivers of Brexit as people had had enough.

Green authoritarian laws I disagree with strongly, in fact I disagree with any authoritarian government laws, however green issues are at the forefront and its a multi trillion $ industry and where all the investment is going, like it or not. Historical oil & gas companies and utility companies in Europe are having to diversify into green industries in order to survive.

We disagree on many things but I think that is more of a geographical reason and recent experience issue. Over here its all green green green, you cannot get funding for almost any investment into anything oil + gas whereas in the US I guess that is much easier. EV's in Europe make a lot more sense as there is a defined infrastructure and range anxiety is far less of an issue than it is for US citizens.

Green is not a fad and will happen in Europe, the US is quite a way behind Europe and if and when you do start the transition it will be a very slow process, thats for sure. Maybe it will never happen, who knows, but my guess is it will.

No, the EU is already facing budget constraints and will not be able to finance the transition.

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19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, the EU is already facing budget constraints and will not be able to finance the transition.

Eco they will mate just keep watching the investment into green projects keep rolling in. Hydrogen and carbon capture is next after wind and solar, although these still have issues and are expensive.

You will see the rolling stock of EV's really start to impact gas consumption in the next 5 years in the EU. NG usage will also decrease as 20% of hydrogen will be mixed into the pipelines.

https://www.lcp.com/media-centre/2023/03/hydrogen-installed-capacity-in-europe-set-to-grow-by-over-800-in-2023/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/07/eu-policy-support-for-renewable-hydrogen-ramps-up-in-europe-as-global-competition-intensifies/

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/europe-takes-steps-toward-developing-hydrogen-pipeline-network-2023-03-02/#:~:text=The companies are planning the construction of new,of offshore wind farms for green hydrogen production.

https://www.reportlinker.com/market-report/Refined-Products/6828/Hydrogen?term=Hydrogen trends&matchtype=b&loc_interest=&loc_physical=41823&utm_term=Hydrogen trends&utm_source=microsoft_ads&utm_medium=paid_ads&utm_campaign=ppc&utm_content=transactionnel-ms&utm_group=standard&hsa_acc=F1331PFH&hsa_cam=419064383&hsa_grp=1293026083482542&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=kwd-80814363251686:aud-810719955:loc-188&hsa_kw=Hydrogen trends&hsa_mt=b&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=65149c194a7b1e27e1f2f8c5dca029ad

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, the EU is already facing budget constraints and will not be able to finance the transition.

Do you still think governments need to balance their budgets? 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

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9 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco they will mate just keep watching the investment into green projects keep rolling in. Hydrogen and carbon capture is next after wind and solar, although these still have issues and are expensive.

You will see the rolling stock of EV's really start to impact gas consumption in the next 5 years in the EU. NG usage will also decrease as 20% of hydrogen will be mixed into the pipelines.

https://www.lcp.com/media-centre/2023/03/hydrogen-installed-capacity-in-europe-set-to-grow-by-over-800-in-2023/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/07/eu-policy-support-for-renewable-hydrogen-ramps-up-in-europe-as-global-competition-intensifies/

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/europe-takes-steps-toward-developing-hydrogen-pipeline-network-2023-03-02/#:~:text=The companies are planning the construction of new,of offshore wind farms for green hydrogen production.

https://www.reportlinker.com/market-report/Refined-Products/6828/Hydrogen?term=Hydrogen trends&matchtype=b&loc_interest=&loc_physical=41823&utm_term=Hydrogen trends&utm_source=microsoft_ads&utm_medium=paid_ads&utm_campaign=ppc&utm_content=transactionnel-ms&utm_group=standard&hsa_acc=F1331PFH&hsa_cam=419064383&hsa_grp=1293026083482542&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=o&hsa_tgt=kwd-80814363251686:aud-810719955:loc-188&hsa_kw=Hydrogen trends&hsa_mt=b&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&msclkid=65149c194a7b1e27e1f2f8c5dca029ad

We have not seen the uptake of EVs impact demand for gasoline in Europe with widespread increases in gasoline demand across Europe trending above the 2019 levels.

You have not been able to find any data on rolling stock of EVs? That suggests that the fossil fuel vehicles are still in control of transportation needs for the average European driver.

Sorry, mate.

Gasoline sales are rising through the roof world-wide.

Some countries have surpassed the 2019 pre-Covid levels.

These countries are hotbeds for oil demand and gasoline demand.

U.S., Germany,, France, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, India, Philippines. Even Britain and Norway are up YoY for gasoline demand.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

Edited August 16, 2023 by Ecocharger

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7 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Do you still think governments need to balance their budgets? 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

They will have to raise taxes beyond the political breaking point to finance the transition to green. Looks like the political waves are already drowning the Green dream.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Ecocharger

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27 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

They will have to raise taxes beyond the political breaking point to finance the transition to green. Looks like the political waves are already drowning the Green dream.

They will have to raise taxes beyond the political breaking point to finance the transition to green.????

maybe in your beloved China

In the good ole USA, Sleepy Joe passed Tax credits and loans , which avoids new taxes.....

Everything here is done in private hands.......

Enjoy the green revolution......done without raising taxes and with private companies to boot

MAGA

Make America Green Again.....

2025

now there will be a tax subsidy .......more cash for clunkers ........Sleepy Joe will help relieve you of your clunkers

 

PS quit spreading fake facts ......New taxes???????....it just makes you look like a sore loser while the Green Agenda marches on

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On 8/15/2023 at 12:44 PM, notsonice said:

There is no realistic alternative to ICE, and the politics are showing that, with governments in Europe being challenged whenever they attempt to enforce Green nonsense.????

ha ha ha

looks like your having a meltdown in light of the fact that EVs are slowly taking over....

Cash for clunkers will be brought to you by Sleepy Joe in 2025 ........

and

The bottom line is gasoline DEMAND, which is UP in Norway, UP in Sweden, UP in Britain, UP in France, UP in Germany, and UP in Italy...etc.

European gasoline demand is now above the 2019 level pre-Covid????
 

yet once again you do not post any evidence........Got any or just BS once again?????

 

What do you do for a living??? sell snake oil?????

Post some real facts backed by real articles or keep shoveling BS...it is what you do best

 

 

 

Ecochump

still waiting for you to post some backup to your BS........

The bottom line is gasoline DEMAND, which is UP in Norway, UP in Sweden, UP in Britain, UP in France, UP in Germany, and UP in Italy...etc.

European gasoline demand is now above the 2019 level pre-Covid????

Or were you just BSing fake facts as usual???????????

 

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3 minutes ago, notsonice said:

They will have to raise taxes beyond the political breaking point to finance the transition to green.????

maybe in your beloved China

In the good ole USA, Sleepy Joe passed Tax credits and loans , which avoids new taxes.....

Everything here is done in private hands.......

Enjoy the green revolution......done without raising taxes and with private companies to boot

MAGA

Make America Green Again.....

2025

now there will be a tax subsidy .......more cash for clunkers ........Sleepy Joe will help relieve you of your clunkers

 

PS quit spreading fake facts ......New taxes???????....it just makes you look like a sore loser while the Green Agenda marches on

Using public money to fund the Green Dream will cause budget funding problems and is a dead end idea.

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

2 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Ecochump

still waiting for you to post some backup to your BS........

The bottom line is gasoline DEMAND, which is UP in Norway, UP in Sweden, UP in Britain, UP in France, UP in Germany, and UP in Italy...etc.

European gasoline demand is now above the 2019 level pre-Covid????

Or were you just BSing fake facts as usual???????????

 

Sorry, mate.

Gasoline sales are rising through the roof world-wide.

Some countries have surpassed the 2019 pre-Covid levels.

These countries are hotbeds for oil demand and gasoline demand.

U.S., Germany,, France, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, India, Philippines. Even Britain and Norway are up YoY for gasoline demand.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

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Electrek

https://electrek.co/2023/08/13/solar-us-ira/

Green revolution in the US...full speed ahead thanks to Sleepy Joe

Jobs for real Americans

Industry brought back to the USA

Sleepy Joe is the Man of the Year

BOOOOOOOMMMMMMM

 

How solar has exploded in the US in just a year – in numbers

Michelle Lewis | Aug 13 2023 - 9:00 pm PT46 Comments

Solar and storage companies have announced over $100 billion in private sector investments in the US since the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) a year ago, according to a new analysis released today by the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA).

Since President Joe Biden signed the IRA in August 2022, 51 solar factories have been announced or expanded in the US.

These new and expanded factories will invest nearly $20 billion into US communities and amount to 155 gigawatts (GW) of new production capacity across the solar supply chain. These announcements include 85 GW of solar panel capacity, 43 GW of solar cells, 20 GW of silicon ingots and wafers, and 7 GW of inverter capacity:

Solar factories announced in the last year are going to employ more than 20,000 Americans. 

By 2026, the US will have over 17 times its current manufacturing capacity across modules, cells, wafers, ingots, and inverters when these announced factories are online – and that’s enough to supply the majority of solar projects expected to be built in the US.

And when it comes to post-IRA battery storage growth, 65 GWh of manufacturing capacity has been announced across 14 new or expanded facilities. Over 3 GW of new large-scale energy storage projects have been deployed in the last year.

“The unprecedented surge in demand for American-made clean energy is a clear sign that the clean energy incentives enacted last year by Congress are working,” said Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the SEIA, a solar nonprofit trade association. “This law is a shining example of how good federal policy can help spur innovation and private investment in communities that need it most.”

Read more: The US solar market is projected to triple in size by 2028

Edited August 16, 2023 by notsonice

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Do you still think governments need to balance their budgets? 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

The national debt will eventually prove to be an albatross around the fed neck, as interest rate hikes on the national debt squeeze  the taxpayer. 

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

23 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Electrek

https://electrek.co/2023/08/13/solar-us-ira/

Green revolution in the US...full speed ahead thanks to Sleepy Joe

Jobs for real Americans

Industry brought back to the USA

Sleepy Joe is the Man of the Year

BOOOOOOOMMMMMMM

 

How solar has exploded in the US in just a year – in numbers

Michelle Lewis | Aug 13 2023 - 9:00 pm PT46 Comments

Solar and storage companies have announced over $100 billion in private sector investments in the US since the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) a year ago, according to a new analysis released today by the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA).

Since President Joe Biden signed the IRA in August 2022, 51 solar factories have been announced or expanded in the US.

These new and expanded factories will invest nearly $20 billion into US communities and amount to 155 gigawatts (GW) of new production capacity across the solar supply chain. These announcements include 85 GW of solar panel capacity, 43 GW of solar cells, 20 GW of silicon ingots and wafers, and 7 GW of inverter capacity:

Solar factories announced in the last year are going to employ more than 20,000 Americans. 

By 2026, the US will have over 17 times its current manufacturing capacity across modules, cells, wafers, ingots, and inverters when these announced factories are online – and that’s enough to supply the majority of solar projects expected to be built in the US.

And when it comes to post-IRA battery storage growth, 65 GWh of manufacturing capacity has been announced across 14 new or expanded facilities. Over 3 GW of new large-scale energy storage projects have been deployed in the last year.

“The unprecedented surge in demand for American-made clean energy is a clear sign that the clean energy incentives enacted last year by Congress are working,” said Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the SEIA, a solar nonprofit trade association. “This law is a shining example of how good federal policy can help spur innovation and private investment in communities that need it most.”

Read more: The US solar market is projected to triple in size by 2028

Fossil fuels dominate the energy market, there has been no real change in the past fifty years.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Fossil-Fuels-Still-Account-For-82-Of-Primary-Global-Energy-Consumption.html

"The global energy mix in 2023 showed continued dominance of fossil fuels at 82% primary energy consumption, with renewables like wind and solar seeing rapid expansion.

The Russia-Ukraine war profoundly impacted energy markets, driving up natural gas and coal prices while disrupting energy imports and altering coal phase-out plans in Europe.

Carbon dioxide emissions from energy reached a record 34.4 billion metric tons, highlighting the increasing gap from Paris Agreement targets, even as renewable energy sources like wind and solar achieved significant milestones."

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On 8/15/2023 at 5:51 PM, Ecocharger said:

You mean you didn't know that until I explained it to you? Here is the explanation of atmospheric absorption relating to the greenhouse effect.

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discovering-geology/climate-change/how-does-the-greenhouse-effect-work/

"A greenhouse gas is called that because it absorbs infrared radiation from the Sun in the form of heat, which is circulated in the atmosphere and eventually lost to space."

Without going into the detailed bandpass wavelengths of specific radiation:

The greenhouse effect works like this:

1. The sun's energy travels through space via radiation and reaches Earth's atmosphere.
2. Some of this energy is reflected back into space by clouds and other particles in the atmosphere.
3. The remaining energy is absorbed by Earth's surface.
4. Earth's surface then releases some of this energy as infrared radiation.
5. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere absorb this infrared radiation and trap it.
6. This trapped energy warms Earth's atmosphere, oceans, and surface.

Even more important, there is a positive feedback loop between atmospheric water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). working as follows:

1. As CO2 levels in the atmosphere increase, the greenhouse effect becomes "stronger". This causes the Earth's temperature to rise.
2. As the Earth's temperature rises, more water evaporates from the oceans and land.
3. The increased water vapor in the atmosphere traps more heat, which further warms the Earth.
4. This warming causes even more water to evaporate, and so on.

Edited August 17, 2023 by turbguy

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2 hours ago, turbguy said:

1. The remaining energy is absorbed by Earth's surface.
2. Earth's surface then releases some of this energy as infrared radiation.

Small addition to point #1 you probably know of.  Some light is reflected off the surface.  It can be as low as 4% for asphalt or as high as 80% for fresh snow.  This sadly reinforces a feedback loop, higher temperatures lead to reduced land surface area covered by snow or ice, which then causes the planet to absorb even more heat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo

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3 hours ago, turbguy said:

Without going into the detailed bandpass wavelengths of specific radiation:

The greenhouse effect works like this:

1. The sun's energy travels through space via radiation and reaches Earth's atmosphere.
2. Some of this energy is reflected back into space by clouds and other particles in the atmosphere.
3. The remaining energy is absorbed by Earth's surface.
4. Earth's surface then releases some of this energy as infrared radiation.
5. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere absorb this infrared radiation and trap it.
6. This trapped energy warms Earth's atmosphere, oceans, and surface.

Even more important, there is a positive feedback loop between atmospheric water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). working as follows:

1. As CO2 levels in the atmosphere increase, the greenhouse effect becomes "stronger". This causes the Earth's temperature to rise.
2. As the Earth's temperature rises, more water evaporates from the oceans and land.
3. The increased water vapor in the atmosphere traps more heat, which further warms the Earth.
4. This warming causes even more water to evaporate, and so on.

There are all sorts of feedbacks in the climate models, including particulate levels which have a huge short term effect. The actual CO2 greenhouse effect is extremely miniscule according to this article, not significant. H2O greenhouse effect completely dwarfs the CO2 greenhouse effect, and H2O effects have a feedback impact on CO2 levels, when temperature falls, CO2 levels fall. There are also "shade" effects of H2O interacting with particulate levels.

The overall CO2 effect derived from human contributions is extremely small.

Simply focusing on CO2 creates distorted climate models which are of low explanatory value.

The authors give a separate calculation for CO2 contribution, as follows.

" Effect of Recently Increased Atmospheric CO2 It is of some interest to calculate the increase in temperature that has occurred due to the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from the 280ppm prior at the start of the industrial revolution to the current 420ppm registered at the Mona Loa Observatory. (K. W. Thoning et. al. 2019) [17]. The HITRAN calculations show that atmospheric absorptivity has increased from 0.727 to 0.730 due to the increase of 140ppm CO2, resulting in a temperature increase of 0.24Kelvin. This is, therefore, the full extent of anthropogenic global warming to date."

So that is a grand contribution for CO2 since Industrial Revolution of .24K or about .09%. Less than one tenth of one percent. Almost nothing at all.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Rob Plant + 2,652]

16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

We have not seen the uptake of EVs impact demand for gasoline in Europe with widespread increases in gasoline demand across Europe trending above the 2019 levels.

You have not been able to find any data on rolling stock of EVs? That suggests that the fossil fuel vehicles are still in control of transportation needs for the average European driver.

Sorry, mate.

Gasoline sales are rising through the roof world-wide.

Some countries have surpassed the 2019 pre-Covid levels.

These countries are hotbeds for oil demand and gasoline demand.

U.S., Germany,, France, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, India, Philippines. Even Britain and Norway are up YoY for gasoline demand.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

You claim "We have not seen the uptake of EVs impact demand for gasoline in Europe"

Admittedly this is old data but that reinforces the point.

3.8 billion litres of gasoline was displaced in Europe in 2020 by EV's

The fact that sales of EV's since then has exploded in Europe means that number in 2022 was 6.1 billion litres a whopping 60% increase in just 2 years! I rather think we have seen an impact on gasoline demand in Europe specifically due to EV adoption.

You fail to back up your claim, I post statistics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312319/oil-displacement-due-to-evs-europe/

Electric vehicles in Europe - statistics & facts

Europe

In June 2022, a European Parliament vote mandated that all new cars and vans sold in the European Union should be zero-emission vehicles by 2035. This measure was part of an ongoing goal to reduce European transport emissions and will impact most of Europe. Passenger cars made up most of the carbon dioxide emissions of the European Union's transport sector in 2019, amounting to over 43 percent of the emissions.

The electric mobility market is gaining steam, with forecasts projecting it to be worth just under 1.4 trillion U.S. dollars worldwide in 2027. Europe is one of the market leaders driving this growth forward. Between 2020 and 2021, the European plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market had grown by 66 percent year-over-year, and regional and governmental targets could propel sales even further.
 

All-electric takes the lead in a diverse market

Quarterly PEV sales skyrocketed in the second quarter of 2020, boosted by a greater environmental consciousness due to the COVID-19 pandemic. This uptake in new e-vehicle registration led to the displacement of the equivalent of 3.8 billion liters of gasoline in Europe, making a dent in the region's motor fuel consumption. Spearheading the fleet electrification movement were Germany—which recorded over 681,400 electric vehicle sales in 2021—and Norway—with battery-electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles representing over 86 percent of its 2021 new vehicle sales. Tesla, Renault, and Volkswagen were among the best-selling brands for fully electric cars in the region—The Tesla Model 3, Renault Zoe, and Volkswagen ID.3 were the most popular models in the European Union in 2021. All-electric cars were the region's most popular electric vehicle type, with a European market share of over 10 percent. However, some countries still prefer plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) options in parts due to unequal access to charging infrastructure throughout Europe. Spain recorded 1.4 charging locations per 100 kilometers of roadway in 2021. It had a battery-electric vehicle (BEV) market share of under three percent that same year—compared to over five percent for PHEVs.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Rob Plant

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Europe's gasoline, diesel car sales lose majority market share to EVs for first time

S&P Global estimates that plug-in electric vehicles will displace about 1.4 million b/d of gasoline and diesel demand in Western Europe by 2035, rising to around 2.1 million b/d in 2040. Globally, S&P Global estimates that all alternatively fuelled vehicles will displace around 2.75 million b/d of gasoline over the 2030-2040 period.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/020123-europes-gasoline-diesel-car-sales-lose-majority-market-share-to-evs-for-first-time#:~:text=S%26P Global estimates that plug-in electric vehicles will,million b%2Fd of gasoline over the 2030-2040 period.

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Even in Wyoming:

Rural Wyoming Company To Electrify Fleet, Says EVs Cheaper, More Reliable

The Wind River Internet company on Wednesday said electrifying its fleet because EV trucks are more reliable and will cut costs by half over the life of the vehicles . Last year when it was 40 below zero, only the electric trucks would start, they said.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/08/16/rivertons-wind-river-internet-plans-to-electrify-its-vehicle-fleet/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&_kx=Fm2KWNHm-QtZS1ku5PUAwaeGOoypnHgRivWLxD6Mgwg%3D.UXPtrV

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

3 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

You claim "We have not seen the uptake of EVs impact demand for gasoline in Europe"

Admittedly this is old data but that reinforces the point.

3.8 billion litres of gasoline was displaced in Europe in 2020 by EV's

The fact that sales of EV's since then has exploded in Europe means that number in 2022 was 6.1 billion litres a whopping 60% increase in just 2 years! I rather think we have seen an impact on gasoline demand in Europe specifically due to EV adoption.

You fail to back up your claim, I post statistics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312319/oil-displacement-due-to-evs-europe/

Electric vehicles in Europe - statistics & facts

Europe

In June 2022, a European Parliament vote mandated that all new cars and vans sold in the European Union should be zero-emission vehicles by 2035. This measure was part of an ongoing goal to reduce European transport emissions and will impact most of Europe. Passenger cars made up most of the carbon dioxide emissions of the European Union's transport sector in 2019, amounting to over 43 percent of the emissions.

The electric mobility market is gaining steam, with forecasts projecting it to be worth just under 1.4 trillion U.S. dollars worldwide in 2027. Europe is one of the market leaders driving this growth forward. Between 2020 and 2021, the European plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) market had grown by 66 percent year-over-year, and regional and governmental targets could propel sales even further.
 

All-electric takes the lead in a diverse market

Quarterly PEV sales skyrocketed in the second quarter of 2020, boosted by a greater environmental consciousness due to the COVID-19 pandemic. This uptake in new e-vehicle registration led to the displacement of the equivalent of 3.8 billion liters of gasoline in Europe, making a dent in the region's motor fuel consumption. Spearheading the fleet electrification movement were Germany—which recorded over 681,400 electric vehicle sales in 2021—and Norway—with battery-electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles representing over 86 percent of its 2021 new vehicle sales. Tesla, Renault, and Volkswagen were among the best-selling brands for fully electric cars in the region—The Tesla Model 3, Renault Zoe, and Volkswagen ID.3 were the most popular models in the European Union in 2021. All-electric cars were the region's most popular electric vehicle type, with a European market share of over 10 percent. However, some countries still prefer plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) options in parts due to unequal access to charging infrastructure throughout Europe. Spain recorded 1.4 charging locations per 100 kilometers of roadway in 2021. It had a battery-electric vehicle (BEV) market share of under three percent that same year—compared to over five percent for PHEVs.

Again you are assuming a zero-sum market where one product gains at the expense of another, that is not reality. In the real world markets are not fixed in their dimensions but fluctuate in size, so that it is possible for both products to increase sales simultaneously.

That is why gasoline sales are currently ramping up in Britain, Germany, France, Italy, United States, China, India and most of the world.

I gave you the stats, You have not responded to those stats. The estimates you cite are three years old and do not address the issue of increased gasoline demand in Europe.

[notsonice + 1,097]

14 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Again you are assuming a zero-sum market where one product gains at the expense of another, that is not reality. In the real world markets are not fixed in their dimensions but fluctuate in size, so that it is possible for both products to increase sales simultaneously.

That is why gasoline sales are currently ramping up in Britain, Germany, France, Italy, United States, China, India and most of the world.

I gave you the stats, You have not responded to those stats. The estimates you cite are three years old and do not address the issue of increased gasoline demand in Europe.

thanks for posting your daily load of BS

 

ramping up??? what a joke

 

so far this year...... a bust 

reality gasoline sales have been flat since 2021

they are not ramping up....you must be smoking too much wacky weed

2020	270,430	262,463	241,149	175,973	223,138	248,746	262,269	264,247	256,233	257,809	240,041	243,518
2021	239,423	219,060	265,148	265,181	281,504	280,850	288,209	284,652	267,974	279,835	270,632	275,262
2022	247,450	240,744	274,538	262,614	282,315	273,816	271,257	281,482	264,436	273,675	265,476	265,731
2023	256,756	244,016	279,211	269,880	282,251

 

So much for your BS ramping up...or do you need help with the numbers posted above??????

 

unless you think a decrease YOY in May from 2022 is ramping up or from 2021 .3 percent increase of is ramping up........oh what a ramp......

a slope of .3 percent..............maybe your scooter can get up such a steep ramp???? ha ha ha 

 

last numbers out show may was a bust year over year and the forecast down below

Peak Gasoline happened in 2018 in the US

 

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

25 minutes ago, notsonice said:

thanks for posting your daily load of BS

 

ramping up??? what a joke

 

so far this year...... a bust 

reality gasoline sales have been flat since 2021

they are not ramping up....you must be smoking too much wacky weed

2020	270,430	262,463	241,149	175,973	223,138	248,746	262,269	264,247	256,233	257,809	240,041	243,518
2021	239,423	219,060	265,148	265,181	281,504	280,850	288,209	284,652	267,974	279,835	270,632	275,262
2022	247,450	240,744	274,538	262,614	282,315	273,816	271,257	281,482	264,436	273,675	265,476	265,731
2023	256,756	244,016	279,211	269,880	282,251

 

So much for your BS ramping up...or do you need help with the numbers posted above??????

 

unless you think a decrease YOY in May from 2022 is ramping up or from 2021 .3 percent increase of is ramping up........oh what a ramp......

a slope of .3 percent..............maybe your scooter can get up such a steep ramp???? ha ha ha 

 

last numbers out show may was a bust year over year and the forecast down below

Peak Gasoline happened in 2018 in the US

 

That chart is already out of date, in many countries the pre-pandemic levels of 2019 have already been surpassed.

Gasoline sales are rising through the roof world-wide.

Some countries have surpassed the 2019 pre-Covid levels.

These countries are hotbeds for oil demand and gasoline demand.

U.S., Germany,, France, Sweden, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, India, Philippines. Even Britain and Norway are up YoY for gasoline demand.

https://anasalhajjieoa.substack.com/p/the-rise-in-global-gasoline-consumption

Edited August 17, 2023 by Ecocharger

[notsonice + 1,097]

Biden Boom as Coal is down 30 percent  and oil going nowhere

Standard of living is now booming and low unemployment driven by the Green Revolution....

 

US leading the world instead of following in the footsteps of OPEC and China

Enjoy the good news

https://www.atlantafed.org/cqer/research/gdpnow

Latest estimate: 5.8 percent -- August 16, 2023

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2023 is 5.8 percent on August 16, up from 5.0 percent on August 15. After this morning's housing starts report from the US Census Bureau and industrial production report from the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, the nowcasts of third-quarter real personal consumption expenditures growth and third-quarter real gross private domestic investment growth increased from 4.4 percent and 8.8 percent, respectively, to 4.8 percent and 11.4 percent.

The next GDPNow update is Thursday, August 24. Please see the "Release Dates" tab below for a list of upcoming releases.

[Ecocharger + 1,384]

Demand for oil is ramping up past all-time levels, consistent with the increasing demand for gasoline and oil in large nations such as the U.S., France, Germany, Italy, Britain.

Oil prices are forecast to top $100 before end of year.

And China? China is making record demands for more oil!

https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-august-2023

"World oil demand is scaling record highs, boosted by strong summer air travel, increased oil use in power generation and surging Chinese petrochemical activity. Global oil demand is set to expand by 2.2 mb/d to 102.2 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for more than 70% of growth. "

Edited August 18, 2023 by Ecocharger

[TailingsPond + 501]

10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

"World oil demand is scaling record highs, boosted by strong summer air travel, increased oil use in power generation and surging Chinese petrochemical activity. Global oil demand is set to expand by 2.2 mb/d to 102.2 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for more than 70% of growth. "

 

You removed the last sentence from that paragraph; I wonder why?  Do not cherry pick pieces you like and ignore the rest.

In reality they think China demand is going to drop way off (to less than 50% of this year peak).

Here is the full paragraph:

"World oil demand is scaling record highs, boosted by strong summer air travel, increased oil use in power generation and surging Chinese petrochemical activity. Global oil demand is set to expand by 2.2 mb/d to 102.2 mb/d in 2023, with China accounting for more than 70% of growth. With the post-pandemic rebound running out of steam, and as lacklustre economic conditions, tighter efficiency standards and new electric vehicles weigh on use, growth is forecast to slow to 1 mb/d in 2024."