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1 minute ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Was that a negative post? I don't think so. Long ways across Canada and in winter would probably take couple weeks to go from end to end. 

Which is again you being ignorant and spreading misinformation. 

The only difference between the US and Canada is that crossing Canada is a thousand miles longer. The US record for crossing the country in an EV is: If you're wondering what the coast-to-coast EV time record is in the US, it currently stands at 42 hours and 17 minutes with 24 stops, and was set in 2021 by a team in a Tesla Model S Long Range.

So crossing Canada is maybe a day longer.

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10 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes it will take 15 or 20 years for semi EV infrastructure to be built out. So what? This is again just you dissing EVs for something that no one is claiming.

Sorry Jay, not "dissing" EV semis because the infrastructure is lagging horribly. Was just a passing conversation with her as she sat in Oakland waiting to get unloaded. She has more of a feel for how the industry is going out there as she's in it 3 times a week. 

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26 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Was that a negative post? I don't think so. Long ways across Canada and in winter would probably take couple weeks to go from end to end. 

It should take much longer so you can stop and enjoy life. If you want to do nothing but drive and sleep it can be done in a week - even with a EV. 

The entire trans Canada highway has EV charging stations made by Petro Canada.  Now tell me again energy companies are not transitioning.

https://www.petro-canada.ca/en/personal/fuel/canadas-electric-highway

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It will become very clear when the "gas stations" get renovated.

The real estate of some gas stations is going to be worth more than their profits soon.

Other stations are switching to more restaurant style, so you can stay and enjoy a beer and sandwich while your car fast charges.  You were hungry and needed a break from driving anyways...

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2 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Being realistic Jay.....that's all. I am stating what real world folks talk about. EV's are not that popular in this area. Now if you want to talk about hydrogen fuel auto's. Makes more sense to go that avenue but the powers that be are insisting on Electric. Probably because $$$$ invested into the raw materials that goes into making the batteries. 

 'but the powers that be are insisting on Electric. Probably because $$$$ invested into the raw materials that goes into making the batteries.' Yet more ignorant misinformation. BEV is a less expensive and much more practical solution that buyers prefer by a vast margin.

Hydrogen cars are a total joke! They are supported in California as much as EVs, the state has spent hundreds of millions on hydrogen infrastructure and they get the same federal subsidies.  Yet BEV outsell hydrogen by over 100 to 1!! And every new H car comes with $15K free hydrogen. Hydrogen stations have worse reliability than chargers, stations are very expensive to build, you can't fill up in your garage, the cars are cramped, slow and more expensive than an EV and they only get a few more miles range. The two hydrogen vehicles on the market:

 The new  2022 Toyota Mirai Limited will offer a range of up to 357 miles. Compare to Model 3 Long range which costs less.

The starting price for the new 2023 Toyota Mirai is $49,500 MSRP. 

The all-new 2023 Hyundai NEXO's range of 380 miles is the highest of any fuel cell vehicle. SUV, compare to Model Y Long Range which costs $10K less!! 

2023 Hyundai NEXO Pricing The 2023 Hyundai Nexo starts at $60,135. 

 

Compare to Tesla:

Hydrogen might have a chance in long distance semi trucks but not in local semi trucks.

CA EV numbers for 1H 2023

CA hydrogen sales for 1H 2023

= 1800

Here is H car pathetic history:

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Sorry Jay, not "dissing" EV semis because the infrastructure is lagging horribly. Was just a passing conversation with her as she sat in Oakland waiting to get unloaded. She has more of a feel for how the industry is going out there as she's in it 3 times a week. 

Yet you continue to dis them by saying infrastructure is "lagging horribly". Electric Semi's are barely a reality, there is no lagging of infrastructure. We are still very busy building out EV car infrastructure, Semi's are next. 

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5 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Who gives a crap about your oil industry experience?

Being an expert in a dying industry is not much of a merit.  Shall I tell you how I am good at spinning yarn?

You really are a comical jokester, here is the truth about oil, it is hot and getting hotter.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/OPEC-Cuts-Offset-By-Booming-US-Oil-Production.html

"U.S. oil production is predicted to hit 13 million bpd in September, matching the record output from November 2019.

Major companies including Chevron and Exxon reported record production in Q2 despite fewer active drilling rigs.

The EIA anticipates record U.S. crude oil production for 2023 and 2024, with the U.S. leading non-OPEC+ production growth."

Edited September 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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11 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You disagree with your own words?

China trade balance shows they do pretty darn well.  Remember trumps failed trade war?

Odd you would illuminate trade imbalances, Biden left Trumps tariffs in place. Their you happy happy now?

Biden kept Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/27/1184027892/china-tariffs-biden-trump#:~:text=But more than two years,get rid of them altogether.

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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12 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And the US housing market is doing fine, do you ever say anything that isn't just utter crap?:

Ya don't say...

Almost 80% of Would-Be Homebuyers Fear Getting Priced Out of the Market Says Realtor.com

 

https://www.investopedia.com/majority-of-potential-homebuyers-fear-getting-priced-out-7509852

Edited September 26, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You really are a comical jokester, here is the truth about oil, it is hot and getting hotter.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/OPEC-Cuts-Offset-By-Booming-US-Oil-Production.html

"U.S. oil production is predicted to hit 13 million bpd in September, matching the record output from November 2019.

Major companies including Chevron and Exxon reported record production in Q2 despite fewer active drilling rigs.

The EIA anticipates record U.S. crude oil production for 2023 and 2024, with the U.S. leading non-OPEC+ production growth."

Still avoiding the question.  Do you want high oil prices or high consumption?

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The real world numbers say otherwise. You are just ignoring reality and spreading lies. 

The inventory rates are completely normal: "Historically, a 60 days’ supply across the industry was considered normal and ideal." - Cox https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/new-vehicle-inventory-august-2023/

I must ask..are you becoming senile? I guess old crows just fade away..hopefully.

The current EV narrative has nearly 91,000 cars piling up at dealerships as consumer enthusiasm for the new technology dwindles. At some dealerships, that’s true.

 

Cox Automotive data shows EV supply of more than 100 days on dealership lots, more than double the number of gasoline vehicles.

 

 

https://jalopnik.com/the-ev-oversupply-is-nothing-to-worry-about-actually-1850724463#:~:text=The current EV narrative has,the number of gasoline vehicles.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ya don't say...

Almost 80% of Would-Be Homebuyers Fear Getting Priced Out of the Market Says Realtor.com

 

https://www.investopedia.com/majority-of-potential-homebuyers-fear-getting-priced-out-7509852

High prices are good remember?

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17 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

High prices are good remember?

I know right! Yet this is far to early for a silver lining...The storm has yet to be played out...Oh the Drama!

ABC host shocked by post-Trump indictment poll showing 'statistical tie': 'What does that say about Biden?'

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-host-shocked-by-post-trump-indictment-polling-showing-statistical-tie-what-does-that-say-about-biden?_gl=1*965x0e*_ga*djhCNU5ySThXbkJrRVdCXzZMQUlSVjBJMTA3cmU5cEZhcDhGOWhTZHkwRm1ycDU4a2FNeU5DQUw1Y0w3ODVtVQ..*_ga_RH94J2NTVM*MTY5NTcyNzE4MC42LjEuMTY5NTcyNzE4MS4wLjAuMA..

 

And then this little speed bump arrived! Joey say it isn't so..

Poll showing Trump up 10 points over Biden for 2024 election criticized

A Washington Post-ABC poll showed results that diverge from most other surveys, and even the pollsters issued a caveat

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/24/washington-post-abc-poll-trump-10-points-over-biden

Edited September 26, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

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4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I must ask..are you becoming senile? I guess old crows just fade away..hopefully.

The current EV narrative has nearly 91,000 cars piling up at dealerships as consumer enthusiasm for the new technology dwindles. At some dealerships, that’s true.

 

Cox Automotive data shows EV supply of more than 100 days on dealership lots, more than double the number of gasoline vehicles.

 

 

https://jalopnik.com/the-ev-oversupply-is-nothing-to-worry-about-actually-1850724463#:~:text=The current EV narrative has,the number of gasoline vehicles.

Just brilliant. The article you cited debunks "The current EV narrative".

If you had read that article just a bit further you would have found this:

Despite all these scary figures of cars spending months waiting to find a buyer, Automotive News reports that EVs actually made up just 6.7 percent of dealer inventory across the U.S., while accounting for 8.6 percent of retail sales.

What’s more, it’s been the case for the past 18 months that retail sales have outpaced the growing inventory of EVs across the supply chain.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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15 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Which is again you being ignorant and spreading misinformation. 

The only difference between the US and Canada is that crossing Canada is a thousand miles longer. The US record for crossing the country in an EV is: If you're wondering what the coast-to-coast EV time record is in the US, it currently stands at 42 hours and 17 minutes with 24 stops, and was set in 2021 by a team in a Tesla Model S Long Range.

So crossing Canada is maybe a day longer.

So why are you still clinging to your fossil fuel vehicle, Jay? When will you buy your first EV?

This is getting ridiculous.

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Still avoiding the question.  Do you want high oil prices or high consumption?

What we want is not the issue, the reality is that demand for oil is growing and oil production is growing.

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59 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Just brilliant. The article you cited debunks "The current EV narrative".

If you had read that article just a bit further you would have found this:

Despite all these scary figures of cars spending months waiting to find a buyer, Automotive News reports that EVs actually made up just 6.7 percent of dealer inventory across the U.S., while accounting for 8.6 percent of retail sales.

What’s more, it’s been the case for the past 18 months that retail sales have outpaced the growing inventory of EVs across the supply chain.

Your numbers are junk, Jay. With EV  inventories rising, that indicates EV production growing faster than EV sales, that is the key indicator.

With growing inventories, production declines. Basic economics.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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44 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Your numbers are junk, Jay. With EV  inventories rising, that indicates EV production growing faster than EV sales, that is the key indicator.

With growing inventories, production declines. Basic economics.

If only you could read. This is from the most recent Cox report, the same company you cite for your growing EV inventory:

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021. Inventory stood at 2.06 million units at the start of September, up from a revised 1.96 million at the beginning of August, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data. That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units. Inventory numbers include vehicles available on dealer lots and some in transit.

The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was modestly lower than at the beginning of August. EV sales in the past 30 days increased slightly (7%), and available inventory decreased, leading to a decline in days’ supply. "

https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/new-vehicle-inventory-august-2023/

What they derisively call slight growth (7% per month) is an annual growth rate of 125%. 

Oh and let's look again at those official gov't numbers, only a moron would call these "junk" without some serious evidence to back up the claim. Evidence you do not have.

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month.

All you can do is enjoy the EV growth!

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If only you could read. This is from the most recent Cox report, the same company you cite for your growing EV inventory:

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021. Inventory stood at 2.06 million units at the start of September, up from a revised 1.96 million at the beginning of August, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data. That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units. Inventory numbers include vehicles available on dealer lots and some in transit.

The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was modestly lower than at the beginning of August. EV sales in the past 30 days increased slightly (7%), and available inventory decreased, leading to a decline in days’ supply. "

https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/new-vehicle-inventory-august-2023/

What they derisively call slight growth (7% per month) is an annual growth rate of 125%. 

Oh and let's look again at those official gov't numbers, only a moron would call these "junk" without some serious evidence to back up the claim. Evidence you do not have.

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month.

All you can do is enjoy the EV growth!

Jay read your own quote, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs,

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021. Inventory stood at 2.06 million units at the start of September, up from a revised 1.96 million at the beginning of August, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data. That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units."

"The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was MODESTLY lower than at the beginning of August. "

So there is still a huge inventory buildup in EVs.

Jay, why are you not enjoying an EV? Why do you still cling to your fossil fuel vehicle?

If it made any sense to buy an EV, you would have one by now.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Jay, why are you not enjoying an EV? Why do you still cling to your fossil fuel vehicle?

If it made any sense to buy an EV, you would have one by now.

So you have no evidence to present. I win.

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21 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So you have no evidence to present. I win.

I guess you missed what I posted above, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs, your own post confirms that, so apparently you lose by your own admission.

Same old Jay, the usual guff.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Ecocharger

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42 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay read your own quote, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs,

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021.

"The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was MODESTLY lower than at the beginning of August. "

 

The total supply includes ICE vehicles.

"The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was MODESTLY lower"

Do you read your own posts?

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by TailingsPond

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43 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

I guess you missed what I posted above, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs, your own post confirms that, so apparently you lose by your own admission.

Same old Jay, the usual guff.

Oh the same old "what I posted above" You did not post anything above of relevance that has not been debunked.

Once again here are the official government numbers that you have no evidence to disprove:

"A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month."

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay read your own quote, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs,

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021. Inventory stood at 2.06 million units at the start of September, up from a revised 1.96 million at the beginning of August, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data. That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units."

"The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was MODESTLY lower than at the beginning of August. "

So there is still a huge inventory buildup in EVs.

Jay, why are you not enjoying an EV? Why do you still cling to your fossil fuel vehicle?

If it made any sense to buy an EV, you would have one by now.

So the EV inventory is down and the fossil fuel inventory is up. Very simple concept, what don't you understand?

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay read your own quote, there has been little change in the huge inventory buildup in EVs,

"Throughout August, the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units, a level not seen since April 2021. Inventory stood at 2.06 million units at the start of September, up from a revised 1.96 million at the beginning of August, according to Cox Automotive’s analysis of vAuto Available Inventory data. That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units."

"The supply of unsold EVs at the start of September was MODESTLY lower than at the beginning of August. "

So there is still a huge inventory buildup in EVs.

Jay, why are you not enjoying an EV? Why do you still cling to your fossil fuel vehicle?

If it made any sense to buy an EV, you would have one by now.

the total U.S. supply of available unsold new vehicles climbed above 2 million units

That was 68% higher than a year ago, or about 837,000 units."

and The current EV narrative has nearly 91,000 cars piling up at dealerships...down from over 109,000 at the end of July

 

and EV inventory is decreasing .....

Means that ICE vehicle sales are falling and hard....

 

ICE vehicle sales are in the dumpster

Enjoy the transition