Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 2 hours ago, notsonice said: Boom in domestic manufacturing........MADE IN USA is all Joe Biden Ahh that would be the MAGA agenda, you know the Orange Demon! Oh the wall is now going back up...go figure the progressive socialist attempting to save face on the coat tails of Donald Trump. Then again what else would one expect from a foreign nation that steals its way towards financial success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE October 7, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ahh that would be the MAGA agenda, you know the Orange Demon! Oh the wall is now going back up...go figure the progressive socialist attempting to save face on the coat tails of Donald Trump. Then again what else would one expect from a foreign nation that steals its way towards financial success. You confuse results with an "agenda." Trump failed at everything he tried. He did not actually bring back any manufacturing to the USA. Failed trade war etc. You are always stuck at hope; never looking at the results. Edited October 7, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE October 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Oh the wall is now going back up Was the wall ever up? It can't go "back up" if it never was. Did Mexico pay for it? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Was the wall ever up? It can't go "back up" if it never was. Did Mexico pay for it? Ya don't say....perhaps it's time for you to go find your dish and lay down. Then Open Your Eyes even you might be able to process that...then again maybe not. Mexico Border Wall Pictures, Images and Stock Photos View mexico border wall videos Browse 1,700+ mexico border wall stock photos and images available, or search for us mexico border wall to find more great stock photos and pictures. us https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/mexico-border-wall Biden quietly auctions off border wall parts to stunt Republican effort to restart construction: report DOD selling off 'excess border wall materials' after GOP-sponsored Finish It Act clears Senate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-quietly-auctions-trump-border-wall-parts-stunt-republican-effort-restart-construction-report Edited October 7, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,102 DM October 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ahh that would be the MAGA agenda, you know the Orange Demon! Oh the wall is now going back up...go figure the progressive socialist attempting to save face on the coat tails of Donald Trump. Then again what else would one expect from a foreign nation that steals its way towards financial success. MAGA agenda???? where have you been for the last 80 years????? Keeping manufacturing in the US has been a pro union....pro democratic agenda.....protectionist agenda from before WW2..... The Republican party is all about minimal government intervention into companies and let them they hide their tax liabilities in addition to letting them offshore every aspect of their business with no repercussions The MAGA agenda failed to onshore production...specifically the Trump tax cut has nothing tied to onshoring US manufacturing......the tax cut was just a give tax breaks with no strings attached......no reason for onshoring manufacturing whatsoever. The tax cuts gave companies cash to help offshore their existing US production facilities..........Why the tax cuts were no tied to us production is mind boggling Biden ......these two acts are all pro US manufacturing on a scale that is now driving a building and manufacturing boom The Chips act and the IRA Act both require US production US material sourcing etc Right now their is a giant boom that started early last year in the construction of new US manufacturing facilities.....all due to Biden and his policies Pay attention to the chart below and what is now happening in 2023.........Job creation is off the charts right now ...last jobs report....BOOM even at a time of crazy interest rates.........This is what good government policy yields great paying jobs which leads to full employment and no recession as the FED is making investment a cash driven business not a borrowing investment driven economy Trump blew it as he should have tied tax credits to US employment/US production. Period, the GOP with Trump has no idea on how to shape government policy to drive a private sector manufacturing /middle class job boom Have you worked in manufacturing??? heavy industries??? Mining??? Oil??? Gas???? Metal cutting??? Casting???? Steel Making???? Chemical production???? Electronics??? Electrical Equipment production???? GOP has done nothing including the BS MAGA agenda Trump is and was totally clueless about manufacturing on every level... as he has zero experience in what makes buying American Made goods work. You post nothing but BS praise for Trump as usual.......in reality Trump has no clue what it takes to bring manufacturing back into the US and stopping the flow of US technology to China Where can more onshoring using tax credits to help build new factories /tax credits for emploment/training be applied to high value goods Cement production Auto parts Small tools/power tools Metal cutting machinery Printing (books/magazines/all things printed) Electronics of all types IE LED screens, basic computer components Electrical Motor production Appliance production clothing???? nope way to manual labor/low skill small consumer goods??? nope way to much low skill labor so you keep praising the clueless wonder who gives away our military secrets at the dinner table........He is , by himself the biggest traitor Russia and China could have ever asked for......... Edited October 7, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: MAGA agenda???? where have you been for the last 80 years????? Keeping manufacturing in the US has been a pro union....pro democratic agenda.....protectionist agenda from before WW2..... The Republican party is all about minimal government intervention into companies and let them they hide their tax liabilities in addition to letting them offshore every aspect of their business with no repercussions The MAGA agenda failed to onshore production...specifically the Trump tax cut has nothing tied to onshoring US manufacturing......the tax cut was just a give tax breaks with no strings attached......no reason for onshoring manufacturing whatsoever. The tax cuts gave companies cash to help offshore their existing US production facilities..........Why the tax cuts were no tied to us production is mind boggling Biden ......these two acts are all pro US manufacturing on a scale that is now driving a building and manufacturing boom The Chips act and the IRA Act both require US production US material sourcing etc Right now their is a giant boom that started early last year in the construction of new US manufacturing facilities.....all due to Biden and his policies Pay attention to the chart below and what is now happening in 2023.........Job creation is off the charts right now ...last jobs report....BOOM even at a time of crazy interest rates.........This is what good government policy yields great paying jobs which leads to full employment and no recession as the FED is making investment a cash driven business not a borrowing investment driven economy Trump blew it as he should have tied tax credits to US employment/US production. Period, the GOP with Trump has no idea on how to shape government policy to drive a private sector manufacturing /middle class job boom Have you worked in manufacturing??? heavy industries??? Mining??? Oil??? Gas???? Metal cutting??? Casting???? Steel Making???? Chemical production???? Electronics??? Electrical Equipment production???? GOP has done nothing including the BS MAGA agenda Trump is and was totally clueless about manufacturing on every level... as he has zero experience in what makes buying American Made goods work. You post nothing but BS praise for Trump as usual.......in reality Trump has no clue what it takes to bring manufacturing back into the US and stopping the flow of US technology to China Where can more onshoring using tax credits to help build new factories /tax credits for emploment/training be applied to high value goods Cement production Auto parts Small tools/power tools Metal cutting machinery Printing (books/magazines/all things printed) Electronics of all types IE LED screens, basic computer components Electrical Motor production Appliance production clothing???? nope way to manual labor/low skill small consumer goods??? nope way to much low skill labor so you keep praising the clueless wonder who gives away our military secrets at the dinner table........He is , by himself the biggest traitor Russia and China could have ever asked for......... I merely addressed your childish misdirection in regards to the wall. And like a child caught with his hands In the cookie jar you immediately respond with Gas Lighting...A pyscopthic trait..it runs deep quite obviously. . Escalate When Challenged. When called on their lies, the gaslighter escalates the dispute by doubling and tripling down on their attacks, refuting substantive evidence with denial, blame, and more false claims (misdirection), sowing doubt and confusion. Back on topic...A thread of GREEN ENERGY Gaslighting the world... Edited October 7, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: Keeping manufacturing in the US has been a pro union....pro democratic agenda.....protectionist agenda from before WW2..... I just had to respond..EVs are not only unaffordable, they have caused hyperinflation creating world wide financial chaos and strife. Along with drastically cutting US autoworkers jobs and EU autoworkers as well. Once again China is distorting world wide market's by dumping the inferior Evs in the EU on a scale never seen in world history. EU risks trade war with China over electric vehicles Anti-subsidy probe puts the EU on course for a battery battle with Beijing. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ursula-von-der-leyen-china-electric-cars-probe-trade-war/ Edited October 7, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,102 DM October 7, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I just had to respond..EVs are not only unaffordable, they have caused hyperinflation creating world wide financial chaos and strife. Along with drastically cutting US autoworkers jobs and EU autoworkers as well. Once again China is distorting world wide market's by dumping the inferior Evs in the EU on a scale never seen in world history. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ursula-von-der-leyen-china-electric-cars-probe-trade-war/ EVs are not only unaffordable, they have caused hyperinflation creating world wide financial chaos????? oh boy you forgot what was the real cause of inflation in 2021......and 2022 2021 gasoline and everything else bouncing back after the deflation (covid year of 2020 and all of its shutdowns worldwide where economic collapse and price collapse was running wild) 2022 War in Ukraine.....Price of Nat gas and oil doubling and tripling.... here see the real cause Higher energy costs..........yep from coal oil and nat gas In the United States, the Consumer Price Index rose 6.8% between November 2020 and November 2021, spurred by price increases for gasoline, food, and housing. Higher energy costs caused the inflation to rise further in 2022, reaching 8.9% where is inflation in 2023 4 percent and EV sales are now booming you really are just spouting BS EVs creating world wide financial chaos???? yet as your Luddite friend states EVs they are less than a ten percent of the vehicles sold and less than 2 percent on the road today and you now attribute them to causing hyperinflation creating world wide financial chaos.... Oh boy you sure can BS.....the slow idiots will believe you and I am sure you are convinced as you believe anything that is spewed on your beloved Fox news News flash hyperinflation is not 5 or 10 percent inflation for a short period of one year. Hyperinflation is defined at 50 percent a month. Germany 1920s....South America in real times of trouble..... The US has never experienced hyper inflation. The worst was U.S. inflation hit an all-time high of 30.19% in 1778 during the Revolutionary War.Now were you around in 1778???????? Were EV's responsible for the worst inflation ever in 1778???? ha ha ha maybe it was the price of coal or wood that caused it...oh wait it again was war.....yet you could blame it on EV's in your little mind You and your fellow Luddites will spout any BS you can to stick to your burn coal mentality. please do a little research and post real facts so you do not spout just made up BS as you and your Luddite friends do on a daily basis. EVs are not only unaffordable, they have caused hyperinflation creating world wide financial chaos??? what a fucking joke Edited October 7, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, notsonice said: what a fucking joke I know right.... What’s the Average Car Loan Payment? October 31, 2019 The average car payment for a new vehicle is $554, and the average for a used car is $391. https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-the-average-car-payment/ What’s the Average Car Payment Per Month? The average monthly car payment is $729 for new cars and $528 for used. Several factors determine your payment. By Shannon Bradley Updated Sep 27, 2023 3:06 p.m. PDT Edited by Julie Myhre-Nunes https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-monthly-car-payment 2019 Gas prices by state The national average gas price is currently $2.25, and you can refer to the graphic below for the average price per state as of January 2019. https://www.everlance.com/blog/gasoline-prices-per-state-and-what-determines-the-price-we-pay-for-gas#:~:text=The national average gas price is currently %242.25%2C and you,state as of January 2019. The national average for regular gasoline hit $3.85 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That’s the highest level since October 19 and comes just weeks ahead of Labor Day weekend when millions of Americans will hit the roads. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/investing/gas-prices-going-up/index.html Edited October 7, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I know right.... What’s the Average Car Loan Payment? October 31, 2019 The average car payment for a new vehicle is $554, and the average for a used car is $391. https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-the-average-car-payment/ What’s the Average Car Payment Per Month? The average monthly car payment is $729 for new cars and $528 for used. Several factors determine your payment. By Shannon Bradley Updated Sep 27, 2023 3:06 p.m. PDT Edited by Julie Myhre-Nunes https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-monthly-car-payment 2019 Gas prices by state The national average gas price is currently $2.25, and you can refer to the graphic below for the average price per state as of January 2019. https://www.everlance.com/blog/gasoline-prices-per-state-and-what-determines-the-price-we-pay-for-gas#:~:text=The national average gas price is currently %242.25%2C and you,state as of January 2019. The national average for regular gasoline hit $3.85 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That’s the highest level since October 19 and comes just weeks ahead of Labor Day weekend when millions of Americans will hit the roads. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/investing/gas-prices-going-up/index.html Of course you are cherry picking your data by comparing annual low and peak driving demand. Let's look at today, oh look at that drop: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 October 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: Of course you are cherry picking your data by comparing annual low and peak driving demand. Let's look at today, oh look at that drop: Me cherry Pick? Now that's rare indeed. Just another day in EV paradise The average car payment for new vehicles was a record-high $725 in the first quarter of 2023, an 11.5% increase from the first quarter of 2022. The average car payment for leased vehicles increased at a comparable 11.2%. However, the increase in the average car payment for used vehicles was just 2.2%. To get a full picture of U.S. auto loan debt and trends, LendingTree looked at payments, originations, term lengths, delinquencies and more. Here’s our 2023 roundup of auto loan statistics. https://www.lendingtree.com/auto/debt-statistics/#:~:text=The average car payment for a new vehicle is %24725,average monthly payments at %24516. Edited October 7, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 8, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Of course you are cherry picking your data by comparing annual low and peak driving demand. Let's look at today, oh look at that drop: Yup, UK demand for private EVs FELL as a result of removing the government incentives for purchasing private EVs. That shows that no one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." Edited October 8, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,141 October 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I know right.... What’s the Average Car Loan Payment? October 31, 2019 The average car payment for a new vehicle is $554, and the average for a used car is $391. https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-is-the-average-car-payment/ What’s the Average Car Payment Per Month? The average monthly car payment is $729 for new cars and $528 for used. Several factors determine your payment. By Shannon Bradley Updated Sep 27, 2023 3:06 p.m. PDT Edited by Julie Myhre-Nunes https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-monthly-car-payment 2019 Gas prices by state The national average gas price is currently $2.25, and you can refer to the graphic below for the average price per state as of January 2019. https://www.everlance.com/blog/gasoline-prices-per-state-and-what-determines-the-price-we-pay-for-gas#:~:text=The national average gas price is currently %242.25%2C and you,state as of January 2019. The national average for regular gasoline hit $3.85 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That’s the highest level since October 19 and comes just weeks ahead of Labor Day weekend when millions of Americans will hit the roads. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/investing/gas-prices-going-up/index.html What kind of moron has car payments? If you have to have payments on your car... you can't afford it. Payments for a used car? Who the Hell does that? What insanity. Clearly they can't afford it. Period. Suggest fixing up a piece of junk and driving it til it dies. That way you aren't dirt ass poor. $2.25 in 2019... ah, before the bubble burst... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,436 October 8, 2023 11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Suggest fixing up a piece of junk and driving it til it dies. That way you aren't dirt ass poor. I once had an associate who did just that. He maintained that the only necessary tool required to be carried in such a jalopy was a screwdriver. If the beater failed, his action would be to remove the license plates and thumb his way home. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Yup, UK demand for private EVs FELL as a result of removing the government incentives for purchasing private EVs. That shows that no one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." BEV sales in the UK were up 19%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,141 October 8, 2023 6 hours ago, turbguy said: I once had an associate who did just that. He maintained that the only necessary tool required to be carried in such a jalopy was a screwdriver. If the beater failed, his action would be to remove the license plates and thumb his way home. Why you own 3 Junkers, 2 minimum as you have a family. 1 that runs, 1 that partially runs, and one that you are working on. And buy a chain to haul the one that died, home. Have never paid more than $3k for a car and it was the worst one of the lot(only ran for 7yrs) before I got wise and became more selective. Make sure one of the junkers is a Diesel PU truck. They always run. Screwdrivers do not work. VIN numbers are in the computer and on the dashboard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 9, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: BEV sales in the UK were up 19%. You missed the point again, Jay. Private EV sales actually FELL as a result of removing the UK buyer incentives. Again, you fail to understand basic market dynamics. Vehicle sales are not a zero-sum game, and fossil fuel cars actually INCREASED as a percentage of the total vehicle market despite the increase in incentivized EV sales, with private EV sales declining in numbers. This shows that no one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." Edited October 9, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: You missed the point again, Jay. Private EV sales actually FELL as a result of removing the UK buyer incentives. This shows that no one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." EV sales increased by 19%. Nothing else matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 9, 2023 (edited) On 10/8/2023 at 8:32 PM, Jay McKinsey said: EV sales increased by 19%. Nothing else matters. Read what I said above, you fail to understand market dynamics. All that counts is that fossil fuel vehicle sales INCREASED as a percentage of the total vehicle market with EV sales DECREASING as a percentage of the vehicles market. You still think of vehicle markets as a zero-sum game, whereas in reality the size of the market is dynamic and percentages have changed in favor of fossil fuel vehicles. No one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." Edited October 18, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Read what I said above, you fail to understand market dynamics. All that counts is that fossil fuel vehicle sales INCREASED as a percentage of the total vehicle market with EV sales DECREASING as a percentage of the vehicles market. You still think of vehicle markets as a zero-sum game, whereas in reality the size of the market is dynamic and percentages have changed in favor of fossil fuel vehicles. No one in their right mind would buy an EV unless the government paid them to do it. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "But overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." EV sales increased by 19%. Nothing else matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 9, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: EV sales increased by 19%. Nothing else matters. Personal EV sales declined in absolute terms, which is a huge problem going forward for the Green nonsense, and fossil fuel vehicle sales increased as a proportion of new vehicle sales, that is what counts. I guess the truth is stuck in your throat, Jay. Edited October 9, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 9, 2023 (edited) The realities of the continued increase in demand for fossil fuel transportation and energy sources has persuaded the producers to maintain a healthy forecast for oil demand. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/OPEC-Hikes-Oil-Demand-Forecast-To-116-Million-Bpd-In-2045.html "OPEC has boosted its 2045 oil demand forecast to 116 million barrels per day, a 6 million barrels per day increase from last year. OPEC expects global oil demand to increase by 16 million barrels per day in the period from 2022 to 2045." "India will be the driver of growth through 2045, expected to add 6.6 million bpd to oil demand over the forecast period. Other Asia’s oil demand is set to increase by 4.6 million bpd, China’s by 4 million bpd, Africa’s by 3.8 million bpd, and the Middle East’s by 3.6 million bpd, OPEC said." Edited October 9, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Personal EV sales declined in absolute terms, which is a huge problem going forward for the Green nonsense, and fossil fuel vehicle sales increased as a proportion of new vehicle sales, that is what counts. I guess the truth is stuck in your throat, Jay. In absolute terms EV sales increased by 19%. End of story. You are just absolutely desperate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL October 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: In absolute terms EV sales increased by 19%. End of story. You are just absolutely desperate. Nonsense, actually fossil fuel vehicles increased their market share compared to EVs. I guess that is hard for you to acknowledge, Jay. Getting desperate? Edited October 9, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 October 9, 2023 Just now, Ecocharger said: Nonsense, actually fossil fuel vehicles increased their market share compared to EVs. I guess that is hard for you to acknowledge, Jay. Getting desperate? YTD BEV has increased market share. That is what matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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