Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 November 13, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Wind power made up 29.5% of powergen in the UK over the last 12 months supplying cheap electricity to industry and households! Ya Don't Say... Italy, the United Kingdom, and Ireland had some of the highest household electricity prices worldwide, as of March 2023. At the time, Italian households were charged around 0.56 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour, while in the UK the price stood at 0.46 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour. By comparison, in France and the United States, residents paid almost three times less. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/ Edited November 13, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 560 GE November 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say... Italy, the United Kingdom, and Ireland had some of the highest household electricity prices worldwide, as of March 2023. At the time, Italian households were charged around 0.56 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour, while in the UK the price stood at 0.46 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour. By comparison, in France and the United States, residents paid almost three times less. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/ They also pay a lot more for gasoline. Try to make logical comparisons. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=24 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 13, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: They are the most recent numbers released and they show continued growth in EV sales. If you could do something other than lie you would note that Uk EV market share is up over 3% YOY. And you have presented no evidence to show that EVs are piling up in 'America. EV Sales in September were up over 50% YOY. All you have are your pack of lies and no current data to support them. Nonsense, the results are as I have stated above, sales of fossil fuel vehicles in Britain have gained market share at the expense of EVs, and private sales of EVs have fallen in absolute numbers in the UK due to the removal of government buyer incentives. EVs continue to pile up on American sales lots while fossil fuel cars are maintaining their low inventories. I gave you the numbers above, Learn to read. Edited November 13, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 November 13, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: They also pay a lot more for gasoline. Try to make logical comparisons. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=24 Thank you for adding to the conversation. Why would the UK pay more for petrol is Indeed a fundamental question. Your thoughts on the below commentary. For petrol, diesel and bioethanols, the Government gets around 65 per cent of the overall cost through fuel duty and value added tax (VAT). The fuel duty represents the fixed price of fuel – it stays the same regardless how much overall oil prices fluctuate. Edited November 13, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 13, 2023 (edited) British energy policy is beginning to move in a more rational direction. With the removal of buyer incentives private EV sales have tumbled in absolute numbers and EVs have lost market share to fossil fuel vehicles. Now the British government is signaling a more rational approach to Greenery, challenging the very basis of radical climate agitation. There is still hope for humanity in the governing circles. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Net-Zero-Ministers-Statements-Signal-Shift-In-UK-Climate-Policy.html "Graham Stuart is pushing carbon capture as a key strategy in the energy transition, suggesting that oil and gas are not inherently problematic but their emissions are. The UK's recent announcement of new oil and gas leasing in the North Sea contrasts with previous commitments to phase out fossil fuels. Critics and experts argue that the UK's current policy does not align with its net zero goals, with Stuart maintaining that the UK is not the primary concern in global climate efforts." Edited November 13, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 November 13, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Nonsense, the results are as I have stated above, sales of fossil fuel vehicles in Britain have gained market share at the expense of EVs, and private sales of EVs have fallen in absolute numbers in the UK due to the removal of government buyer incentives. EVs continue to pile up on American sales lots while fossil fuel cars are maintaining their low inventories. I gave you the numbers above, Learn to read. You gave numbers that are old and out of date. According to the UK SMMT organization that tracks the UK auto sales PEV market share is up over 3%. So all you are doing is demonstrating to everyone what a liar you are. US: A total of 132,029 plug-in vehicles (104,015 BEVs and 28,014 PHEVs) were sold during September 2023 in the United States, up 58.6% from the sales in September 2022. PEVs captured 9.91% of total LDV sales this month. UK: The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reports that 38,228 new plug-in cars were registered last month (33 percent more than a year ago), which is 24.9 percent of the total market (compared to 21.5 percent a year ago). Edited November 13, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 November 14, 2023 (edited) Wind generation is facing some unknown obastacle....Perhaps the renewable concept has finally exhausted non renewable funding. After U.S. Withdrawal, Orsted Pulls Out Of Norway Wind Bidding By Charles Kennedy - Nov 13, 2023, 1:30 PM CST Prior to withdrawing from the U.S. projects, Orsted CEO Mads Nipper told Bloomberg that the Biden administration needed to guarantee more support for the projects at a time when soaring inflation was undermining the renewable energy sector. Orsted would have received at least 30% tax credits under the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA); however, the company had asked the Biden administration to guarantee subsidies without the domestic content requirement as well as requesting more time to source U.S.-made materials due to supply chain bottlenecks. In late August, Orsted warned that it could face up to $2.3 billion in impairments on the U.S. projects. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/After-US-Withdrawal-Orsted-Pulls-Out-Of-Norway-Wind-Bidding.html Edited November 14, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,173 DM November 14, 2023 43 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Wind generation is facing some unknown obastacle....Perhaps the renewable concept has finally exhausted non renewable funding. After U.S. Withdrawal, Orsted Pulls Out Of Norway Wind Bidding By Charles Kennedy - Nov 13, 2023, 1:30 PM CST Prior to withdrawing from the U.S. projects, Orsted CEO Mads Nipper told Bloomberg that the Biden administration needed to guarantee more support for the projects at a time when soaring inflation was undermining the renewable energy sector. Orsted would have received at least 30% tax credits under the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA); however, the company had asked the Biden administration to guarantee subsidies without the domestic content requirement as well as requesting more time to source U.S.-made materials due to supply chain bottlenecks. In late August, Orsted warned that it could face up to $2.3 billion in impairments on the U.S. projects. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/After-US-Withdrawal-Orsted-Pulls-Out-Of-Norway-Wind-Bidding.html Wind generation is facing some unknown obastacle....Perhaps the renewable concept has finally exhausted non renewable funding.???? nope just Orsted Orsted blew it.......they entered into contracts without hedging against inflation....IE they did not write into their contracts inflation escalators.....rookie mistake then they asked for the Biden administration to guarantee subsidies without the domestic content requirement.... reality Orsted is not going to last much longer....The wind will keep blowing and the smart companies will make money off Wind .....just not Orsted Market Summary > Orsted A S Unsponsored ADR 13.90 USD-6.08 (-30.43%)all time Nov 13, 4:00 PM EST • Disclaimer Orsted shares peaked at $75 in 2021 and today $13.90 oh my they do not want to play under the same rules everyone else is playing by....... US Gov will not give anyone a pass on the the domestic content requirement under the IRA the whole point of the IRA was build it in the USA or no subsidy...... Pretty simple......everyone else moves forward Orsted moves backwards Orsted is heading to bankruptcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 November 14, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, notsonice said: nope just Orsted Orsted blew it.......they entered into contracts without hedging against inflation....IE they did not write into their contracts inflation escalators.... Ya Don'tSay..... Biggest clean energy disaster in years’: UK auction secures no offshore windfarms This article is more than 2 months old Lack of interest was widely expected after government failed to heed warnings about soaring costs https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/08/biggest-clean-energy-disaster-in-years-uk-auction-secures-no-offshore-windfarms Edited November 14, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: You gave numbers that are old and out of date. According to the UK SMMT organization that tracks the UK auto sales PEV market share is up over 3%. So all you are doing is demonstrating to everyone what a liar you are. US: A total of 132,029 plug-in vehicles (104,015 BEVs and 28,014 PHEVs) were sold during September 2023 in the United States, up 58.6% from the sales in September 2022. PEVs captured 9.91% of total LDV sales this month. UK: The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reports that 38,228 new plug-in cars were registered last month (33 percent more than a year ago), which is 24.9 percent of the total market (compared to 21.5 percent a year ago). No, Jay those numbers I gave you are not out of date. Year on year personal EV sales in UK actually DECLINED in absolute numbers and EVs lost market share to fossil fuel cars. You seem to be unable to wrap your head around those basic numbers. You seem to be confusing EVs with plug-ins, that is how you fooled yourself. American EV inventories remain at sky high levels well above the fossil fuel car inventory levels, which means unsold inventory for your pet toys. That translates into production declines. Borrow my handkerchief and weep some more. Edited November 14, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 (edited) Oil continues to be in great demand, with India the largest driver of growth. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Oil-Markets-Wrongfooted-By-Change-In-Speculative-Buying.html "The volume of long positions in crude oil has decreased due to macroeconomic fears. Although China imported 13.5% more crude in October than a year ago, the growth figure was exaggerated by coronavirus restrictions in place last year. Overall, the current fall in oil prices could signify growing concerns about the state of the global economy as well as a market being driven by fear rather than fundamentals." Edited November 14, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 November 14, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: No, Jay those numbers I gave you are not out of date. Year on year personal EV sales in UK actually DECLINED in absolute numbers and EVs lost market share to fossil fuel cars. You seem to be unable to wrap your head around those basic numbers. You seem to be confusing EVs with plug-ins, that is how you fooled yourself. American EV inventories remain at sky high levels well above the fossil fuel car inventory levels, which means unsold inventory for your pet toys. That translates into production declines. Borrow my handkerchief and weep some more. Not according to the official numbers released by the SMMT for October. All you have are your lies denying reality. Plug ins are EVs . According to the UK SMMT organization that tracks the UK auto sales PEV market share is up over 3%. So all you are doing is demonstrating to everyone what a liar you are. UK: The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reports that 38,228 new plug-in cars were registered last month (33 percent more than a year ago), which is 24.9 percent of the total market (compared to 21.5 percent a year ago). If you want to just look at BEV then their market share grew as welll: So there is nothing that says you are anything but a liar! Edited November 14, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say... Italy, the United Kingdom, and Ireland had some of the highest household electricity prices worldwide, as of March 2023. At the time, Italian households were charged around 0.56 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour, while in the UK the price stood at 0.46 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour. By comparison, in France and the United States, residents paid almost three times less. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/ Thats because NG prices were still astronomical it was only Q2 this year that those countries started to see big reductions in NG prices. EWO we've been over this many many times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Thank you for adding to the conversation. Why would the UK pay more for petrol is Indeed a fundamental question. Your thoughts on the below commentary. For petrol, diesel and bioethanols, the Government gets around 65 per cent of the overall cost through fuel duty and value added tax (VAT). The fuel duty represents the fixed price of fuel – it stays the same regardless how much overall oil prices fluctuate. Its nothing to do with the price of oil and everything to do with the price of NG at the time. Why cant people understand this very simple point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Ecocharger said: British energy policy is beginning to move in a more rational direction. With the removal of buyer incentives private EV sales have tumbled in absolute numbers and EVs have lost market share to fossil fuel vehicles. Now the British government is signaling a more rational approach to Greenery, challenging the very basis of radical climate agitation. There is still hope for humanity in the governing circles. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Net-Zero-Ministers-Statements-Signal-Shift-In-UK-Climate-Policy.html "Graham Stuart is pushing carbon capture as a key strategy in the energy transition, suggesting that oil and gas are not inherently problematic but their emissions are. The UK's recent announcement of new oil and gas leasing in the North Sea contrasts with previous commitments to phase out fossil fuels. Critics and experts argue that the UK's current policy does not align with its net zero goals, with Stuart maintaining that the UK is not the primary concern in global climate efforts." The UK need a diverse energy mix so new oil and gas leases are a good thing IMO, it also makes our energy far more secure from political and economic issues like the Ukraine war. We also import roughly half our NG from Norway when we have our own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Nonsense, the results are as I have stated above, sales of fossil fuel vehicles in Britain have gained market share at the expense of EVs, and private sales of EVs have fallen in absolute numbers in the UK due to the removal of government buyer incentives. EVs continue to pile up on American sales lots while fossil fuel cars are maintaining their low inventories. I gave you the numbers above, Learn to read. Eco you cling to 1 months worth of data which shows a tiny change in favour of ICE and say the whole industry is doomed and the green revolution is over. Well news for you, it isnt, and continues YOY to gain significant growth and market share. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No, Jay those numbers I gave you are not out of date. Year on year personal EV sales in UK actually DECLINED in absolute numbers and EVs lost market share to fossil fuel cars. That is by far the most ridiculous statement I have seen for many a year, backed up by no data to prove it surprise surprise. Take a look and enlighten yourself. https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-market#How Many Plug-In Cars Are There in The UK? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,173 DM November 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don'tSay..... Biggest clean energy disaster in years’: UK auction secures no offshore windfarms This article is more than 2 months old Lack of interest was widely expected after government failed to heed warnings about soaring costs https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/08/biggest-clean-energy-disaster-in-years-uk-auction-secures-no-offshore-windfarms orsted is imploding ...........CFO COO just left in the last few hours...............eOrsted’s chief financial officer and chief operating officer are stepping down and leaving the company with immediate effect Wind keeps blowing and others will step in Rest of Wind business keeps building projects.....Wind is free ........NG is not Did you catch the last 24 hours in the UK....Wind is 75 percent of the electrical power output..... get used to it Coal is toast.....NG is 10 years behind Green Agenda moves forward without Orsted............. 14 November 2023 08:15 Edited November 14, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Not according to the official numbers released by the SMMT for October. All you have are your lies denying reality. Plug ins are EVs . According to the UK SMMT organization that tracks the UK auto sales PEV market share is up over 3%. So all you are doing is demonstrating to everyone what a liar you are. UK: The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reports that 38,228 new plug-in cars were registered last month (33 percent more than a year ago), which is 24.9 percent of the total market (compared to 21.5 percent a year ago). If you want to just look at BEV then their market share grew as welll: So there is nothing that says you are anything but a liar! You really are confused again, Jay. You got fooled by the plug-ins, which are fossil fuel cars. Personal EVs took a straight fall in sales numbers and fossil fuel cars increased their market share, I showed you the numbers above. Get your brain untracked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rob Plant said: That is by far the most ridiculous statement I have seen for many a year, backed up by no data to prove it surprise surprise. Take a look and enlighten yourself. https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-market#How Many Plug-In Cars Are There in The UK? I gave you the numbers above, look them up. And don't tell me you can't read. Edited November 14, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 (edited) Oil demand looks healthy going forward, in spite of looming recession. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEA-Raises-Oil-Demand-Outlook-For-2023-And-2024.html "Despite concerns about the economy, global oil demand continues to exceed expectations, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA) which raised its demand growth forecasts for both 2023 and 2024. Global oil consumption continued to be strong in September, with a record-high Chinese demand of 17.1 million barrels per day (bpd), the IEA said in its Oil Market Report today. Due to an all-time high Chinese monthly demand fueled by the petrochemical sector and resilient consumption in the United States, the agency revised up its 2023 oil demand growth forecast to 2.4 million bpd, up from 2.3 million bpd growth expected in the October report." Edited November 14, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: I gave you the numbers above, look them up. And don't tell me you can't read. yes 1 month not a trend or the latest numbers https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-market#How Many Plug-In Cars Are There in The UK? Can you read this link? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 Just now, Rob Plant said: yes 1 month not a trend or the latest numbers https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-market#How Many Plug-In Cars Are There in The UK? Can you read this link? No, those were YoY numbers. Read again. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,694 RP November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Year on year personal EV sales in UK actually DECLINED in absolute numbers Do you honestly still stand by this statement???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,403 DL November 14, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Do you honestly still stand by this statement???? Read, that is the published statement. I posted it for you above. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Car-Market-Dips-Slightly-On-Petrol-Ban-Reversal.html "...overall BEV market share dipped slightly to 16.6 percent year-on-year, down from 16.9 percent and driven by a fall in demand from private buyers." Still having trouble? Edited November 14, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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