GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

3 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Benzene as a Chemical Hazard in Processed Foods - PMC

 

Did you read that paper?

The benzene contamination in food comes from the pollution, and plastic wrap. Yeah, if you make a highly processed food using dirty water, in a factory filled with fumes, and then wrap it in questionable plastic and then cook it over flames it might not be good for you. 

"its presence in foods has been attributed to various potential sources: packaging, storage environment, contaminated drinking water, cooking processes, irradiation processes, and degradation of food preservatives such as benzoates."

It is funny that you compare oil use to cigarette smoking.  There is no doubt cigs cause death.

From that same paper it says 99% of our benzene exposure was inhaled.  Since I don't smoke my best way to reduce toxic exposure to eliminate the other sources as best I can.

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:35 PM by TailingsPond

[Ecocharger + 1,520]

The wind energy system is already winding down with the change in federal direction.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Wind-Power/Orsteds-US-Struggles-Deepen-as-Trump-Derails-Offshore-Wind-Ambitions.html

"Orsted announced a $1.68 billion impairment charge on its US offshore wind projects due to rising interest rates, seabed lease issues, and delays in the Sunrise Wind project.

President Trump's executive order halting new offshore wind leases in federal waters and suspending permits and loans for wind projects further impacted the renewable energy sector.

Shares of Orsted and the iShares Global Clean Energy ETF (ICLN) fell sharply on the news, and Wall Street analysts expressed concerns about the future of the US offshore wind industry."

"Storm clouds continued to gather for the Danish company after Trump's executive order on Monday, which suspended new offshore wind lease sales in federal waters and halted the issuance of approvals, permits, and loans for both onshore and offshore wind projects.

Trump's announcement weighed on renewable shares, sending iShares Global Clean Energy ETF (ICLN) slightly lower in premarket trading. ICLN shares have slid for 3.5 months on the anticipation that Trump will dial back green energy spending. Shares are now trading near 2020 lows."

Edited Wednesday at 06:32 PM by Ecocharger

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4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

President Trump's executive order halting new offshore wind leases in federal waters and suspending permits and loans for wind projects further impacted the renewable energy sector.

 

So much for energy freedom.  Remember the time while freedom and free enterprise was a thing?

Such horrible logic "bans on oil development on federal land are bad,but bans on windmills are okay."

Freedom!!!

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6 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

I don't smoke, nor huff glue, or use solvents in closed spaces.. Furthermore, no commercial products contain benzene anymore, toluene has almost the same properties as benzene but is much less carcinogenic.

You point out yourself : "benzene from secondhand tobacco smoke, gasoline fumes, motor vehicle exhaust, and industrial emissions." 

Did you not notice the gasoline fumes, motor vehicle exhaust part of your quote?  You are strengthening my argument.

As for bird deaths have you never seen oiled birds?  They most often die. If you really hate bird death getting rid of house cats would do far more.

Windmills can be unsightly but so are oil wells, and oil spills, explosions, and all that. 

Wildfires are not something I can directly control. They will also probably get worse due to - you guessed climate change from fossil fuels!

The logic of "some other thing is bad so what I'm doing here is fine" is garbage.  Could you justify "minor" sexual assault like groping because someone in China raped a child?  You guys use that crap logic all the time -  "but, but India and China are doing it!" 

I heat my homes with natural gas and use electric heat for cooking.  Natural gas burns very cleanly in our brand new furnace, and we have this thing called a chimney that prevents the exhaust from entering our home.

The goal is total elimination. 

 

 

 

 

 

If you truly believed in what you "tout" you would have already sold your ICE car and put in an electric furnace. You are part of the problem, not the solution as you obviously don't care if others inhale your pollutants! Your 2 faced as hell. And you didn't say anything about all the pollution from the Southern Cal fires that put more toxins in the atmosphere than ALL ICE cars would in 3 years. You're just a shit stirrer on here and by now you can probably figure some of us just don't give a shit what you type, as some have put you and notsonice on ignore! 

[Polyphia + 85]

25 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

If you truly believed in what you "tout" you would have already sold your ICE car and put in an electric furnace. You are part of the problem, not the solution as you obviously don't care if others inhale your pollutants! Your 2 faced as hell. And you didn't say anything about all the pollution from the Southern Cal fires that put more toxins in the atmosphere than ALL ICE cars would in 3 years. You're just a shit stirrer on here and by now you can probably figure some of us just don't give a shit what you type, as some have put you and notsonice on ignore! 

Dude, you truly are insufferable on so many dimensions.

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

If you truly believed in what you "tout" you would have already sold your ICE car and put in an electric furnace. You are part of the problem, not the solution as you obviously don't care if others inhale your pollutants! Your 2 faced as hell. And you didn't say anything about all the pollution from the Southern Cal fires that put more toxins in the atmosphere than ALL ICE cars would in 3 years. You're just a shit stirrer on here and by now you can probably figure some of us just don't give a shit what you type, as some have put you and notsonice on ignore! 

Every time you take a breath of moderately clean air or drink slightly polluted water you can thank me for trying to keep them less poisonous for you.

A forest fire is a natural disaster.  Do you not understand the difference between "acts of God" and human actions?  You just used the same whataboutism garbage logic I just explained. "But, but, what about forest fires?"

 

Edited Thursday at 02:32 AM by TailingsPond

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

1 hour ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

 as some have put you and notsonice on ignore! 

Head-in-the-sand losers who can't take my heat.

Ignoring problems is the most conservative-loser thing you can do!

Just run along if you do not want the truth Old-Ruffy.  Ignore me if you want to capitulate / lose.  I win.

Edited Thursday at 02:30 AM by TailingsPond

[specinho + 488]

10 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

I don't smoke, nor huff glue, or use solvents in closed spaces.. Furthermore, no commercial products contain benzene anymore, toluene has almost the same properties as benzene but is much less carcinogenic.

You point out yourself : "benzene from secondhand tobacco smoke, gasoline fumes, motor vehicle exhaust, and industrial emissions." 

Did you not notice the gasoline fumes, motor vehicle exhaust part of your quote?  You are strengthening my argument.

As for bird deaths have you never seen oiled birds?  They most often die. If you really hate bird death getting rid of house cats would do far more.

Windmills can be unsightly but so are oil wells, and oil spills, explosions, and all that. 

Wildfires are not something I can directly control. They will also probably get worse due to - you guessed climate change from fossil fuels!

The logic of "some other thing is bad so what I'm doing here is fine" is garbage.  Could you justify "minor" sexual assault like groping because someone in China raped a child?  You guys use that crap logic all the time -  "but, but India and China are doing it!" 

I heat my homes with natural gas and use electric heat for cooking.  Natural gas burns very cleanly in our brand new furnace, and we have this thing called a chimney that prevents the exhaust from entering our home.

The goal is total elimination. 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote:" Windmills can be unsightly but so are oil wells, and oil spills, explosions, and all that. 

Wildfires are not something I can directly control. They will also probably get worse due to - you guessed climate change from fossil fuels!......"

 

1. Windmills and their experiment on sonic wave might have changed patterns of wind, direction, etc while sonic wave experiment is killing aquatic lives. 

- imagine when wind flowing through modern windmill, how would the direction be? Side way, where wind touches the pointy blades and move turbine? Perpendicular , where wind hits turbine directly from the front and somehow turns it?

Either way, circular motion of wind forms around turbines. Could this form resistant to wind flow? Consequently, changing climate and wild lives near wind farm and beyond?

- although oilspill is disastrous, most might be caused by natural calamity, minority on human sabotaging act. 

 

2. The new culprit of climate change has been identified. German-german jews who declare themselves master of all races, who have plan for all mankind, and who promote helenic spirit of uniformity through imitating and worshipping their culture are to be blamed.

Germany has 10-12% of green or forest coverage before decades of reforestation. 

Promotion of copying or imitating them, 70-90% of the world has 0 to 20+% of green or forest coverage.

To support it, why was climate change not obvious until industrial revolution? 

Answer: buffer was available to neutralize the usages of fossil fuel until massive industrialization and social development or expansion were happening after WWII.

What buffer? Forest! Trees!

Gone! 

Therefore, german master race thingy, german-german jews conspiracy and their third, fourth, fifth reich who conspire to this uniform copying ideology should be made to pay the world for remediation with all they have, underground and above ground.

Who is ruthless to competitors? Jews. 

Who was inhumane towards their own kind during WWII? Jewish doctors, german jews, german. After 6 millions of killing of own, other numbers with other races would be shrugged with a reply:" what about 6 million of lives compared to those?" 

Who forces companies to adopt net zero programme and go green with half baked technologies? Jewish owned banks or initiatives, master race colony and followers.

The right way is to build a working example. Examine the outcome and shortfall for a 10 years. Shall working well, promote it to encourage uptakers. Not by force.

When offsprings of rich are deprived off their birth right to inheritable wealth, they are probably just arrogant imbeciles who believe they are higher than thou and born to be god-like, but actually could function worse than a human beggar or a male/ female pushie seller, is it not??

 

Nutshell, why should you follow their order or instruction??!

Stand up for yourself as human beings with clear sense of right and wrong, courage to do the right things, bravery to resist the wrong and return justice where it is due...

When these restored, you will have plenty of rightful money to be earned or shared, wrongful intention and wealth crushed to bits.

Edited Thursday at 04:36 AM by specinho

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3 hours ago, specinho said:

2. The new culprit of climate change has been identified. German-german jews who declare themselves master of all races, who have plan for all mankind, and who promote helenic spirit of uniformity through imitating and worshipping their culture are to be blamed.

 

Blaming Jews for climate change... that is a new one.

Jews make up about 0.2% of the global population.  Take your illogical hate elsewhere.

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

Watch those oil prices soar!

Ecocharger is never right about anything.

Down is not up.

 

[specinho + 488]

20 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Blaming Jews for climate change... that is a new one.

Jews make up about 0.2% of the global population.  Take your illogical hate elsewhere.

Do not read first paragraph without the rest just because it doesn't fit what you know or taught to believe. Here is what you missed. Read through before you reply again:

"Germany has 10-12% of green or forest coverage before decades of reforestation. 

Promotion of copying or imitating them, 70-90% of the world has 0 to 20+% of green or forest coverage.

To support it, why was climate change not obvious until industrial revolution? 

Answer: buffer was available to neutralize the usages of fossil fuel until massive industrialization and social development or expansion were happening after WWII.

What buffer? Forest! Trees!

Gone! "

 

Do not undermine 0.2%. With just 5 persons to lead and their younger generation or offsprings, they own federal banks of nearly every country in the world, major banks and investment companies, 90% of oil production or fields in USA etc. They own the world, in another word. For better, and for worse...

[Ecocharger + 1,520]

EV sales are in a disastrous free-fall in Europe, despite wild government supports which have crippled the budgets of the major European and British governments.

The writing is on the wall...EVs are yesterday's technology, and never worked to contribute anything in the battle against climate change. 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/01/21/europe-ev-sales-stall-in-2024-drop-to-third-most-popular-choice/

"Sales of EVs, which are more expensive than ICE vehicles, are still highly dependent on government incentives to entice wary buyers.

EV sales plunged by 27.4 percent in Germany last year as government incentives ended at the end of 2023."

Edited Friday at 11:01 AM by Ecocharger

[Ecocharger + 1,520]

The new initiatives of the incoming Trump administration may offer the opportunity to discuss the reality of the alarmist rhetoric which has come to dominate the discussions of climate change.

This will include providing a forum for a more reasoned and critical stance on the existing paradigms regarding the role of atmospheric CO2 and methane , and including atmospheric H2O and solar variables into climate models.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-allies-want-to-resurrect-red-teams-to-question-climate-science/

"Project 2025 — the blueprint Trump allies wrote for his second term — lays out plans to cut out entire sections of the government’s climate work, particularly at NOAA and EPA. The proposal includes offering the public incentives “to identify scientific flaws and research misconduct” in the studies backing federal regulations, which would allow industry-funded researchers to sow doubt about peer-reviewed science.

The red team/blue team exercise was crafted during Trump’s first term by a group of researchers critical of climate policy. For the effort to work properly and have merit, it needs a blue team of climate scientists who argue that the established research holds up, said Steve Koonin, a New York University physicist and architect of the red team plan in Trump’s first term.

Koonin said the effort would require four or five researchers on each side. Koonin, a former chief scientist at BP, argued that the case for an adversarial review has only grown in the last four years.

“I think we’ve got more data, more understanding, more misrepresentation in the media,” Koonin said. “But the essential mechanism is to get a credible blue team lined up.”

Koonin said he expects that climate scientists would be hesitant to participate in such an effort. That’s why he wants the Trump administration to compel the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine to put together a team of researchers. They would then have to review the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report or the National Climate Assessment.

“I think the right way to do it is to take a prior document — it could be the most recent National Climate Assessment — and simply go through that point by point,” Koonin said.

The National Academies did not respond to a request for comment."

[Polyphia + 85]

2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The new initiatives of the incoming Trump administration may offer the opportunity to discuss the reality of the alarmist rhetoric which has come to dominate the discussions of climate change.

This will include providing a forum for a more reasoned and critical stance on the existing paradigms regarding the role of atmospheric CO2 and methane , and including atmospheric H2O and solar variables into climate models.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-allies-want-to-resurrect-red-teams-to-question-climate-science/

"Project 2025 — the blueprint Trump allies wrote for his second term — lays out plans to cut out entire sections of the government’s climate work, particularly at NOAA and EPA. The proposal includes offering the public incentives “to identify scientific flaws and research misconduct” in the studies backing federal regulations, which would allow industry-funded researchers to sow doubt about peer-reviewed science.

The red team/blue team exercise was crafted during Trump’s first term by a group of researchers critical of climate policy. For the effort to work properly and have merit, it needs a blue team of climate scientists who argue that the established research holds up, said Steve Koonin, a New York University physicist and architect of the red team plan in Trump’s first term.

Koonin said the effort would require four or five researchers on each side. Koonin, a former chief scientist at BP, argued that the case for an adversarial review has only grown in the last four years.

“I think we’ve got more data, more understanding, more misrepresentation in the media,” Koonin said. “But the essential mechanism is to get a credible blue team lined up.”

Koonin said he expects that climate scientists would be hesitant to participate in such an effort. That’s why he wants the Trump administration to compel the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine to put together a team of researchers. They would then have to review the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report or the National Climate Assessment.

“I think the right way to do it is to take a prior document — it could be the most recent National Climate Assessment — and simply go through that point by point,” Koonin said.

The National Academies did not respond to a request for comment."

Blah, blah, blah....

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

20 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Watch those oil prices soar!

Ecocharger is never right about anything.

Down is not up.

 

What was wrong with that post@Old-Ruffneck

?

Do you deny that Ecocharger said oil prices would soar and yet they are falling fast?  Sometime you just have to accept I am right - like it or not.

Up voting an always wrong moron makes you one of them.  You do not have to be part of that group.

I think when Trump said "drill baby drill" he meant US producers.

Now he is asking OPEC to glut the market to hurt Russia.  Hahaha!  Tell the USA producers they will make no money, and have no incentive to drill.

Oh and the Russia war was not ended in 24 hours.   He can't even get them to talk. The cult should start getting pissed off right about now.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Trump-Pressures-OPEC-to-Lower-Oil-Prices-Aims-to-End-Ukraine-War.html

"U.S. President Donald Trump hasn’t been able to get Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin to agree to talks to end the war in Ukraine so he is turning to Saudi Arabia for help."

[TailingsPond + 1,016]

6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The new initiatives of the incoming Trump administration may offer the opportunity to discuss the reality of the alarmist rhetoric which has come to dominate the discussions of climate change.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-allies-want-to-resurrect-red-teams-to-question-climate-science/

"Project 2025 — the blueprint Trump allies wrote for his second term — lays out plans to cut out entire sections of the government’s climate work, particularly at NOAA and EPA.

Trump denied knowledge of Project 2025. If you want to say Trump is controlled by his "allies" and lied to the the public about his involvement in Project 2025 during his campaign that would believable.

[Marcin2 + 727]

Donald Trump is a for 4 years refreshment for these that look for comedy and laugh in global politics.

He will be bring to the shadows of history with zero real achievements.

The start of his term shows this. A lot of circus awe but short of substance.

He will deport a lot of immigrants but not as much as you think.

In other areas he is a loser from the start, cause his ideas are so out of this world.

NATO is being accustomed to his foolishness, Commander in Chief

China and Russia are happy cause he puts US in the line with best dcitatorships (Greenland circus)

Americans are afraid cause again becoming a 3 world country citizens, like Africans without healthcare

A lot of laugh out of Trump in this 4 years period.

China and Russia wish him all the luck and imagination!!!

[Ecocharger + 1,520]

Trump is reviving the American coal industry bringing some modicum of actual logical analysis to the energy industry.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Trump-Reignites-Coal-Industry-at-Davos.html

"In classic Trump fashion, the President declared at the World Economic Forum in Davos, “Nothing can destroy coal. Not the weather, not a bomb. It’s a great backup.” 

These words, delivered with signature bravado, sent a warm glow through U.S. coal producers—along with a noticeable bump in their stock prices. Peabody Energy Corp. surged over 7%, Core Natural Resources Inc. climbed nearly 3%, and the coal subsector index shot up by over 4%."

"...this fresh endorsement has reminded not just Davos but the world that coal isn’t just yesterday’s energy—at least not in Trump’s America. In his first-day-in-office executive order, President Trump declared a national energy emergency, tearing down regulatory barriers and throwing a lifeline to fossil fuels."

[Ecocharger + 1,520]

The times they are a changin'...rational energy policy is back on the federal agenda.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Trump-Freezes-Department-of-Energys-50-Billion-Budget.html

"President Trump’s administration has frozen the Department of Energy's (DOE) activities pending a comprehensive review of its alignment with his priorities. According to a memo from acting Energy Secretary Ingrid Kolb, the freeze affects grants, loans, procurement, studies, and even personnel decisions, effectively bringing the agency’s $50 billion budget to a standstill.

Beyond bureaucratic tinkering, the halt is a direct shot at dismantling Biden-era climate policies. The DOE’s Loan Programs Office, holding $41.2 billion in conditional commitments to energy technology companies, now finds its purse strings tightly cinched. Other critical missions, like nuclear waste cleanup and maintenance of emergency crude reserves, are similarly on pause.

The order mirrors an earlier Trump directive freezing funds tied to Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act and a bipartisan infrastructure law, both of which allocated billions for clean energy initiatives. Trump, who has championed fossil fuels as a cornerstone of his energy policy, has made it clear that climate-focused spending is no longer a federal priority."

Edited 19 hours ago by Ecocharger

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50 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Trump is reviving the American coal industry bringing some modicum of actual logical analysis to the energy industry.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Trump-Reignites-Coal-Industry-at-Davos.html

"In classic Trump fashion, the President declared at the World Economic Forum in Davos, “Nothing can destroy coal. Not the weather, not a bomb. It’s a great backup.” 

These words, delivered with signature bravado, sent a warm glow through U.S. coal producers—along with a noticeable bump in their stock prices. Peabody Energy Corp. surged over 7%, Core Natural Resources Inc. climbed nearly 3%, and the coal subsector index shot up by over 4%."

"...this fresh endorsement has reminded not just Davos but the world that coal isn’t just yesterday’s energy—at least not in Trump’s America. In his first-day-in-office executive order, President Trump declared a national energy emergency, tearing down regulatory barriers and throwing a lifeline to fossil fuels."

"In classic Trump fashion, the President declared at the World Economic Forum in Davos, “Nothing can destroy coal. Not the weather, not a bomb. It’s a great backup.” 

 

great backup for what???? maybe in North Korea

comrade ...back here in the US no new coal fired plants have been built in over 10 years and none...repeat none are being planned , constructed etc etc

 

for backup.....none built none planed.....only  a tard would think it is a great backup. (Including Trump), Or an idiot that is pro Russian or Pro China or a North Korean.......now tell us tard which country do you call home these days........Trump thinks Russia is swell....just look at how he has kissed Putins ass over the years............

but you have an econ degree....on your great knowledge ....go buy or build a coal fired power plant ..........You and Trump together and see how well you do. How much Money has Trump spent personally on Coal mines in the US????? yep none.... But if you are a true cheerleader for Coal in the US.....put your money to where your mouth is..........ha ha ha ha otherwise you are nothing but a person that eats up the blah blah blah by the idiot who professed that  "It’s a great backup"

 

Backup power in the US is by using Nat gas or battery storage or pumped storage..............and Coal fired power plants keep getting  replaced by Nat gas and renewables

only a tard does not understand this

then again one would not expect you to understand the future of Coal nor would one expect your leader of the Tards, Trump,  to understand it either. He can make all the claims he wants about coal......he did it in 2016 and how did that work out for Coal mines in the US?????

ha ha ha , only  a tard such as yourself would not understand that Coal production cratered under Trump.....ha ha ha and it was such a great backup ha ha ha ha 

here is reality for coal

 IN-BRIEF ANALYSIS

JANUARY 24, 2025

New solar plants expected to support most U.S. electric generation growth

 

Edited 23 hours ago by notsonice

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2025 Coal in the US....less mined and more closures ............renewables and nat gas increasing again and again and again

 

 

 

a recap of coal mining in the US in 2024

Wyoming Public Media

Black Butte Coal Company initiates a second round of layoffs in Rock Springs

More layoffs are coming to surface coal miners in Sweetwater County, just about eight months after the first round of layoffs.

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Jul 19, 2024

 

Mountain Top Media

280 employees brace for layoffs as Alliance announces closure of MC Mining Complex

Alliance Resource Partners has announced the permanent closure of the MC Mining Complex in Pike County, affecting all of the facility's 280 workers.

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Nov 19, 2024

 

Cowboy State Daily

After Poor First Quarter, Arch Warns Layoffs Possible At Wyoming Coal Mines

Arch Resources Inc. reported Thursday that operations of the country's biggest coal producing region bled red ink in the first quarter,...

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Apr 25, 2024

 

Franklin County Free Press

Senator Casey Seeks Clarity on Cumberland Mine’s Future

Casey's concerns follow reports that Iron Senergy notified the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) about its intention to close the...

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Apr 1, 2024

WPXI

Millions of dollars being put towards revitalization of abandoned mine site in Greene County

CUMBERLAND TOWNSHIP, Pa. — State lawmakers have allocated millions of dollars toward the revitalization of an abandoned mine site in Greene...

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1 month ago

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/terrifying-monterey-county-declares-emergency-023143565.html

'Terrifying': Monterey County declares emergency after massive lithium battery plant fire

James Powel and Roseann Cattani, USA TODAY NETWORK

Updated Fri, January 24, 2025 at 9:40 AM CST·3 min read

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A state of emergency has been declared in Monterey County on California's scenic Central Coast over a major fire at a battery plant.

The Monterey County Board of Supervisors ratified the emergency during a special session about the fire at Vistra Energy's Moss Landing Power Plant in the unincorporated community of Moss Landing. The proclamation was first issued by the county's administrative officer when the fire began one week ago and clears the way for the county to ask for state and federal assistance.

The fire, which was left to burn, was out as of Tuesday, according to fire officials, and small pockets of heat at the facility would continue to be monitored using drones, according to The Californian − part of the USA TODAY Network.

The fire at the plant, a 300-megawatt lithium storage facility, destroyed most of the building and its contents, according to county fire officials. The storage facility is a part of a natural gas-powered electricity plant operated by Vistra Energy, a Texas company. The facility also has a battery storage station owned by PG&E.

Evacuation orders for approximately 1,200 residents near the plant were lifted Friday night, though some road closures remain in place.

EPA, county says there was no risk to public health

 

Burning fire at the site of Vistra Corp's power plant in Moss Landing, California, U.S., January 16, 2025 in this screen grab obtained from a social media video.

The Environmental Protection Agency concluded supplemental air-monitoring in the vicinity of the Vistra Energy storage facility on Monday and said in a statement that there was, "no risk to public health throughout the incident."

The EPA began monitoring for hydrogen fluoride, a highly toxic gas produced by lithium-ion battery fires, and for particulate matter on Saturday, according to the county’s timeline.

“We remain fairly confident that there was no adverse impact associated with emissions from the plant fire, we did not do speciation of chemicals found because that would be a pretty exhaustive and expensive process to do," Richard Stedman, air pollution control officer from the Monterey Bay Air Resources District, said at the meeting.

Residents near the fire and in communities just outside the evacuation zone requested further testing of soil and water on Tuesday and shared personal stories of health symptoms, including respiratory issues and a metallic taste.

Community members, officials express concerns over safety

At Tuesday’s Board of Supervisors meeting, members of the public voiced their concerns and demanded answers from county officials, saying they wanted officials to ensure cleanup was done properly and hazardous chemicals were not allowed to run offsite and seep into the neighboring environment.

Ed Mitchell spoke for a newly formed community group called the Moss Landing Fire Community Recovery Group, which came together after 160 residents gathered at Prunedale Grange, a volunteer organization in Monterrey County, on Monday.

Mitchell told the supervisors that North County residents appreciate the actions of first responders and called lithium batteries a "thrilling" new technology but “a technology that when it goes wrong, it’s not thrilling, it’s terrifying.”

Monterey County Supervisor Glenn Church said during the meeting, according to CBS News, that "this technology is ahead of the government's ability to regulate it. And the industry's ability to control it."

Church called for the facility to stay closed until an independent investigation determines the cause of the incident, CBS News reported.

What the wildfires mean for you: Sign up for USA TODAY's Climate Point newsletter for more weather news.

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: State of emergency declared over California lithium battery plant fire

I recall a lot of ballyhoo praising this plant on this site.  The future of battery backup might not be all that great, it is very expensive too. More coal and natural gas plants that can fire up quickly may still be the best solution. 

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[Ron Wagner + 722]

I just got a solar estimate for my home. It was going to cost over $50,000 over 20 years! They would keep all the Illinois rebates. I think that is pretty ridiculous considering all of the "decreased prices" for solar panels.

[Ron Wagner + 722]

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According to current data, only a small percentage of solar panels and related equipment are made in the United States, with estimates placing it around 1-2% of the global production, meaning the vast majority of solar panels used in the US are imported, primarily from China;. 

 

Key points about US solar panel manufacturing:

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While "thin solar systems," also known as thin-film solar panels, are still being developed and used to some extent, they haven't become as dominant in the solar market as traditional crystalline silicon panels due to their lower efficiency, though research is ongoing to improve their performance and make them more cost-effective, particularly for applications where flexibility or lightweight is crucial; a notable example of a company that focused on thin-film technology, Solyndra, faced bankruptcy due to challenges related to efficiency and cost issues. 

 

Key points about thin-film solar panels:

• Lower efficiency:

  Compared to traditional silicon panels, thin-film panels generally convert a smaller percentage of sunlight into electricity, limiting their widespread adoption. 

   
• Cost advantages:

  Although less efficient, thin-film panels can sometimes be cheaper to produce, making them attractive for certain applications. 

   
• Flexibility:

  Due to their thinness, they can be more flexible and adaptable to different surfaces, which is a potential benefit for integrating solar power into buildings or unusual structures. 

   

 

Recent developments in thin-film technology:

• Material advancements:

  Researchers are exploring new materials like perovskites, which could potentially improve the efficiency of thin-film solar cells. 

   
• Focus on specific applications:

  Thin-film technology is still being actively developed for applications where flexibility or lightweight is critical, like integrating solar panels into building facades or portable power systems. 

   

 

 

 

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Still, many thin-film technologies have been found to have shorter operational lifetimes and larger degradation rates than first-generation cells in accelerated life testing, which has contributed to their somewhat limited deployment. Globally, the PV marketshare of thin-film technologies remains around 5% as of 2023.

 

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