Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said: Biden was not running for any office in 2016. Keep it up. We are all laughing at you. Jay, you keep me in stitches as well. The Green craze was adopted by the Demos during Obama's period, that has remained a constant for that party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: When you start with 0% and grow to about .9%, that is growth. But you need a microscope to see it. You do struggle with numbers and comprehension. The report says 18%, up 39% YoY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 16, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said: You do struggle with numbers and comprehension. The report says 18%, up 39% YoY. That report does not tell us what is happening in the transportation sector as a whole. For the big picture, growth is still miniscule. And declining in Europe by 3% this past year. Edited December 16, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 Just now, Ecocharger said: Jay, you keep me in stitches as well. The Green craze was adopted by the Demos during Obama's period, that has remained a constant for that party. Yep and the American people dumped your traitor and put Biden in office. Now we have more green legislation and investment than Obama ever did! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 16, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Yep and the American people dumped your traitor and put Biden in office. Now we have more green legislation and investment than Obama ever did! Still less than 1% of the transportation sector, that is peanuts, old man. Fossil fuel is still at 82-84% of energy source. Sales of EVs in Europe have declined 3% compared to one year ago. That is a disaster, and will make it impossible to satisfy the deadlines. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/global-ev-sales-hit-new-record-november-rho-motion-2023-12-12/ Edited December 16, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM December 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Jay, you keep me in stitches as well. The Green craze was adopted by the Demos during Obama's period, that has remained a constant for that party. The Green craze was adopted by Obama and put on Steroids by Biden don't ya just love a party Coal is dead one solar panel at a time....or one billion panels a year 370 GW is the number of panels being installed in 2023 370,000,000 KW and at 300 watts a panel well I will do the math for you as we know you are mathematically challenged 1 billion panels installed worldwide in 2023 just love the exponential growth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Still less than 1% of the transportation sector, that is peanuts, old man. The transportation transition is just starting and growing fast. Solar + Wind are set to outperform coal in the US this year. Edited December 16, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 16, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: The transportation transition is just starting. Solar + Wind are set to outperform coal in the US this year. More garbage from you. "Just starting"? Less than 1% of the transportation sector after years of gigantic subsides which will surely bankrupt the nation if it continues. No, the Green revolution is running out of gas (forgive the pun). The people have spoken, no one really wants an EV, the science of climate does not support this nonsense, and the cost of this folly is insupportable. I am getting ready to write the official obituary of this misbegotten trash. Get your pre-order in soon. Edited December 16, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: More garbage from you. "Just starting"? Less than 1% of the transportation sector after years of gigantic subsides which will surely bankrupt the nation if it continues. No, the Green revolution is running out of gas (forgive the pun). The people have spoken, no one really wants an EV, the science of climate does not support this nonsense, and the cost of this folly is insupportable. I am getting ready to write the official obituary of this misbegotten trash. Get your pre-order in soon. HaHa, EV sales are at an all time high you nincompoop. Historic: US EVs skyrocket past 1 million sales, up 50.7% YOY🔥 Year-to-date US EV sales have surpassed 1 million – the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. The National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) reports that through 11 months of 2023, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984 – an increase of 50.7% year-over-year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 December 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Actually the rates went up in 2000, 2004, 2012, and 2016. Showing off your genius as always. Suggest you use GLASSES and a microscope. The only election you can make your claim for is 2004, my bad 1 election out of the last ~8 it is not true and no a change of less than 1% is not a change. Pure noise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Suggest you use GLASSES and a microscope. The only election you can make your claim for is 2004, my bad 1 election out of the last ~8 it is not true and no a change of less than 1% is not a change. Pure noise. Well let's see here is 2000. Rate went from 5.45 in Jan. to 6.51 in November. So you are wrong here. Here is 2012, It went from .08 to .16. An increase is an increase and of course the rate had barely changed since 2009. So wrong again. Here is 2016. November to November it went from .12 to .41. So wrong again. So 4 out of the past 6 election years the rate increased. Deal with being wrong again. I know you are used to it. And yes your claims are pure noise. Edited December 16, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 December 16, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Pure noise And this is something new from Jay? Same ole song&dance..just another day in Green Paradise. Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half PUBLISHED MON, DEC 11 20235:55 PM ESTUPDATED MON, DEC 11 20236:08 PM EST Michael Wayland@MIKEWAYLAND WATCH LIVE KEY POINTS Ford Motor will cut planned production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning pickup roughly in half next year. It marks a major reversal after the automaker significantly increased plant capacity for the EV in 2023. EV demand has been slower than many expected, as prices and interest rates remain high. But sales of the F-150 Lightning have steadily increased this year. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/11/f-150-lightning-ford-cuts-2024-production-plans-in-half.html Edited December 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 December 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: This happens literally EVERY election year or nearly so....The Feds cut or say they will cut interest rates in Presidential election years every single time. 2020, 2016 was a 0, 2012 was a 0, 2008 cut, 2004 was a zero, 2000 was a cut and kept cutting to ~1.5%??? at which it stayed there until 2008 at which it was slightly cut and stayed there until ~2018? , 1996 was a cut, 1992 was a cut. In between, in most cases, rates increase so , 1994, 1997/8, 2002, etc. At this point one has to be blind to not "expect" a fed cut during election year and no, it is not "worth" something unless you are playing the SHORT term market rise and then actively sell off VERY quickly. If you are so good in predicting the market... ,,,why ain't you rich? Wanna know what REALLY drives this market? GREED! Edited December 16, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, turbguy said: If you are so good in predicting the market... ,,,why ain't you rich? Wanna know what REALLY drives this market? GREED! Did ya just figure out that Greed drives people? Wow! Amazing! Small Interest rate adjustments do not drive the market; big ones do though. Predicting the difference... well, there is a lot of money to made doing that hocus pocus ahead of time before it is announced. After it is announced there is no money to be made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 December 16, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: You mean the current guy who is overseeing a fantastic economy despite the high interest rate. Just need to get that interest rate cut in half. Pay attention and you might learn something. This bout of inflation was led by supply shortages not monetary policy. According to theory in the text books of economy?? Yes, it is about supply and demand. In reality........ This is the common reason: Governments need more spending money for stationary, toilet paper, year end luxury but unnecessary entourages, redundant facilities etc. They increase prices by adding or increasing taxes on consumer goods and services they never render. The taxes are then transferred onto end consumers. Prices of goods and services increase. Inflation by creation of imbeciles....... Interest rate needs to be increased so that people can cope with the inflation... For examples, a) if one has $ 100,000 in the bank, 3% interest rate gives $ 100,000 x 3/100 = $ 3000 per year or ~ $ 250 per month. b) if interest rate is as current 5%, seed money $ 100,000 would give $ 5000 per year or ~ $ 400 per month. Pity might be those with savings below thousands. For example, with only $ 100, it gives $ 3 to $ 5 per year, $ 0.25 to $ 0.50 per month. With $ 1000, it pays $ 2.50 to $ 5 per month. Target of aid should be this group. Possibly of differential interest rate and direct cash to known records. Therefore, the right interest rate for common public is probably 5% and beyond at current inflation rate.... Russia is giving its citizens 15% to cover impact of possible inflation... Hope my government would catch up quickly with this rate..... ✌️🥳 Edited December 16, 2023 by specinho 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 December 16, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Did ya just figure out that Greed drives people? Wow! Amazing! Small Interest rate adjustments do not drive the market; big ones do though. Predicting the difference... well, there is a lot of money to made doing that hocus pocus ahead of time before it is announced. After it is announced there is no money to be made. Yup GREED. One of those seven cardinal vices. "That which plunges a man deep into the mire of this world, so that he makes it to be his god" You know, the one that fossil fuel providers commonly exercise to ruin the only planet we can live upon, Electricity that is provided by non-fossil fueled sources is in direct odds for that "need for greed" from those entities.. And THAT'S why some on this forum object to the ongoing "green revolution", that is still in it's infancy. It is the EXPECTATION of economic changes that significantly drives the market. We ain't seen nothin', yet... Edited December 16, 2023 by turbguy 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 December 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, turbguy said: We ain't seen nothin', yet... Agreed your free energy only needs another 50 trillion big ones to possibly work. Greed indeed...demanding of others assets to fulfil a false construct take greed&narcissism to a whole new level. Actually make that 100 trillion Global decarbonization is a more than $50 trillion opportunity for private capital: Blackstone Global decarbonization efforts over the next three decades will require a $100 trillion investment, generating a massive opportunity for private equity to deploy capital and drive the energy transition, according to Rob Horn, a senior managing director and global head of the sustainable resources group at Blackstone Credit. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/blackstone-decarbonization-100-trillion-investment-opportunity-for-private-capital/622439/ Edited December 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 15 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: EV demand has been slower than many expected, as prices and interest rates remain high. But sales of the F-150 Lightning have steadily increased this year. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/11/f-150-lightning-ford-cuts-2024-production-plans-in-half.html Hmm... So sales have steadily increased despite high interest rates. Yep those high interest rates are holding things back but the Fed said to expect at least three cuts next year and watch EV sales keep increasing. This year will see a meager 50% YoY increase in sales. 🙂 Historic: US EVs skyrocket past 1 million sales, up 50.7% YOY🔥 Year-to-date US EV sales have surpassed 1 million – the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. The National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) reports that through 11 months of 2023, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984 – an increase of 50.7% year-over-year. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 December 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Hmm... So sales have steadily increased despite high interest rates. Yep those high interest rates are holding things back but the Fed said to expect at least three cuts next year and watch EV sales keep increasing. This year will see a meager 50% YoY increase in sales. 🙂 Historic: US EVs skyrocket past 1 million sales, up 50.7% YOY🔥 Year-to-date US EV sales have surpassed 1 million – the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. The National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) reports that through 11 months of 2023, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984 – an increase of 50.7% year-over-year. I do believe it is called a "Fire Sale"..your last chance to dance! Meanwhile production is curtailing world wide.. Edited December 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I do believe it called a "Fire Sale"..your last chance to dance! Meanwhile production is curtailing world wide.. The article clearly says that Ford is tripling production of Lightning next year from 25K this year to 80K next year. Can't you spew anything other than nonsense?? The new production plans call for average volume of around 1,600 F-150 Lightnings a week Sales of the F-150 Lightning have steadily increased in 2023, notching a monthly record of roughly 4,400 sold in November. The company has only sold 20,365 of the trucks this year through November, up 54% from a year earlier. Edited December 16, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 17, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 7:56 PM, Jay McKinsey said: HaHa, EV sales are at an all time high you nincompoop. Historic: US EVs skyrocket past 1 million sales, up 50.7% YOY🔥 Year-to-date US EV sales have surpassed 1 million – the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. The National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) reports that through 11 months of 2023, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984 – an increase of 50.7% year-over-year. You have trouble reading, Jay. Electrical is less than 1% of the transportation sector, you are enthralled with nothing but peanuts. European EV sales are down 3% YoY, a catastrophe for the Green Dream. It is over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL December 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: The article clearly says that Ford is tripling production of Lightning next year from 25K this year to 80K next year. Can't you spew anything other than nonsense?? The new production plans call for average volume of around 1,600 F-150 Lightnings a week Sales of the F-150 Lightning have steadily increased in 2023, notching a monthly record of roughly 4,400 sold in November. The company has only sold 20,365 of the trucks this year through November, up 54% from a year earlier. When you start from a low number, any increase looks big. You are always good for a laugh, Jay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You have trouble reading, Jay. Electrical is less than 1% of the transportation sector, you are enthralled with nothing but peanuts. European EV sales are down 3% YoY, a catastrophe for the Green Dream. It is over. Down 3% for the month of November. Not every month is up in every market but every year is. Year to date they are up 39% in Europe. The transition is just starting. Your anxiety over the growth of Green is palpable. Global EV sales hit new record in November Global sales of battery electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrids (PHEV) rose 20% versus a year ago as strong growth in North America and China offset lower sales in Europe, according to market research firm Rho Motion. Sales of BEVs and PHEVs hit a fresh monthly record of 1.4 million units, up from 1.1 million in November 2022. Edited December 17, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: When you start from a low number, any increase looks big. You are always good for a laugh, Jay. 80K vehicles next year is hardly small for the second full year of production. This is just getting started. Last year Toyota only sold 100K of the venerable Tundras. If you were an economist you would know that. Edited December 17, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 December 18, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 8:06 AM, turbguy said: Yup GREED. One of those seven cardinal vices. "That which plunges a man deep into the mire of this world, so that he makes it to be his god" You know, the one that fossil fuel providers commonly exercise to ruin the only planet we can live upon, Electricity that is provided by non-fossil fueled sources is in direct odds for that "need for greed" from those entities.. And THAT'S why some on this forum object to the ongoing "green revolution", that is still in it's infancy. It is the EXPECTATION of economic changes that significantly drives the market. We ain't seen nothin', yet... Its called energy density in transportation is how you move the world forward. Before coal no one moved ANYWHERE or did ANYTHING. Going to Shittier forms of transportation works for a shitty 2nd car, and in places where you can have fixed power infrastructure on short known circuits. Always been true. But the world which connects everything requires power density enabling MORE Of humanity to do what we want allowing a greater percentage of humanity to invent new things which are more efficient at use of resources. Current battery tech is NOT there and until it IS there, talking about "renewables" outside of Pumped Hydro Power is an absurd joke. Going backasswards does not work. The enthusiasm of less maintenance and cheaper transportation is what everyone dreams of... when curbed by reality. Without a universal solution you have no solution. PS: NG is a renewable resource. Oil, nope. Coal: Nope. PPS: Expectation... AKA inside knowledge on how fear drives humanity or inside knowledge of a company or you have nothing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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