Rob Plant + 2,756 RP February 2 14 hours ago, Ecocharger said: I have shown you the foolishness of dreams without substance, with Neville Chamberlain and Robert Oppenheimer as principle examples, but I guess that you are an inveterate dreamer beyond any possibility of realism. They say that being stupid is not illegal, but apparently some types of stupidity ARE illegal. The sad part is that poor Greta is still undereducated on the issues for which she protests. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Greta-Thunberg-Trial-Starts-in-London.html "The trial of Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg and four others for refusing to end an oil protest outside a London industry summit last year began on Thursday. Thunberg, 21, was arrested in October last year while protesting outside the InterContinental Hotel in central London during a summit attended by global oil executives. The trial is by judge without a jury and it is estimated that it will last for two days until judgment, with each defendant facing a maximum fine of 2,500 GBP." I think stupid is not being prepared to listen to another opinion and in some cases admit youre wrong when facts you werent aware of are put in front of you that are irrefutable. You keep mentioning Chamberlain, he was a weak easily duped politician not a scientist! He was removed from power rather swiftly after his "peace for our time" speech. Oppenheimer may have been right to want to share the A bomb, since other countries have done the science (or stolen the science) themselves there hasnt been another atomic bomb launched in anger since Nagasaki in 1945. It has helped keep the peace largely and stop WWIII. To date only the USA has ever launched an atomic bomb meaning to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 2 5 hours ago, Rob Plant said: I think stupid is not being prepared to listen to another opinion and in some cases admit youre wrong when facts you werent aware of are put in front of you that are irrefutable. You keep mentioning Chamberlain, he was a weak easily duped politician not a scientist! He was removed from power rather swiftly after his "peace for our time" speech. Oppenheimer may have been right to want to share the A bomb, since other countries have done the science (or stolen the science) themselves there hasnt been another atomic bomb launched in anger since Nagasaki in 1945. It has helped keep the peace largely and stop WWIII. To date only the USA has ever launched an atomic bomb meaning to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians! Rob, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I agree totally with your comment above, "I think stupid is not being prepared to listen to another opinion and in some cases admit youre wrong when facts you werent aware of are put in front of you that are irrefutable." I have been saying this for quite some time here. Your version of history, however, is a bit off. Chamberlain's Munich Agreement with German Chancellor H (don't you get tired of these circuitous references to the famous leader of Germany in the 1930s?) was actually received with great acclaim at the time it was concluded. Chamberlain was hugely admired by the British public and leadership for avoiding war. A year later, Chamberlain was forced to declare war on Germany, and it was not until the collapse of France in 1940 that Chamberlain had to resign in favor of Churchill. Even then Chamberlain remained in the British Cabinet until his death in 1941. He was not exactly a disgrace, but his weak response to international crisis created a lasting example of the wrong way to confront screwball dictators. Oppenheimer wanted to share the development of the nuclear hydrogen bomb, the successor to the atomic bomb, with Russia and China. That put him in conflict with the U.S. government, his employer, who had no wish to share superior technology with aggressor nations. Oppenheimer was removed from security clearance and was no longer part of the weapons development teams. Again, his blinkered idea of the possibility of working with aggressor dictators was similar to the unfounded optimism of Chamberlain. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP February 2 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I agree totally with your comment above, "I think stupid is not being prepared to listen to another opinion and in some cases admit youre wrong when facts you werent aware of are put in front of you that are irrefutable." I have been saying this for quite some time here. Your version of history, however, is a bit off. Chamberlain's Munich Agreement with German Chancellor H (don't you get tired of these circuitous references to the famous leader of Germany in the 1930s?) was actually received with great acclaim at the time it was concluded. Chamberlain was hugely admired by the British public and leadership for avoiding war. A year later, Chamberlain was forced to declare war on Germany, and it was not until the collapse of France in 1940 that Chamberlain had to resign in favor of Churchill. Even then Chamberlain remained in the British Cabinet until his death in 1941. He was not exactly a disgrace, but his weak response to international crisis created a lasting example of the wrong way to confront screwball dictators. Oppenheimer wanted to share the development of the nuclear hydrogen bomb, the successor to the atomic bomb, with Russia and China. That put him in conflict with the U.S. government, his employer, who had no wish to share superior technology with aggressor nations. Oppenheimer was removed from security clearance and was no longer part of the weapons development teams. Again, his blinkered idea of the possibility of working with aggressor dictators was similar to the unfounded optimism of Chamberlain. We went from pussy to bulldog overnight thank God! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rob Plant said: We went from pussy to bulldog overnight thank God! Yes, but Chamberlain remained in the War Cabinet, he was not disgraced in his time. His folly of appeasing a dictator created a warning to future idealists who cannot understand the mentality of psychopathic leaders. Edited February 2 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Yes, but Chamberlain remained in the War Cabinet, he was not disgraced in his time. His folly of appeasing a dictator created a warning to future idealists who cannot understand the mentality of psychopathic leaders. the mentality of psychopathic leaders. ...we have an ex leader wanna be leader again who hoards top secret documents in Florida whose is a known psychopath and the psychopath wants to be a dictator..... Who in their right mind would pray that the US economy crashes in the next 9 months......only a psychopath now back to the Green New Deal did you catch the jobs number today??? Joes Green economy is BOOMING coal is toast....one solar panel at a time Electrek The US's largest solar + battery storage project just came online The US's largest solar + battery storage project, Edwards & Sanborn, has come online in Kern County, California. The US’s largest solar + battery storage project, Edwards & Sanborn, has come online in Kern County, California. Edwards & Sanborn, which sits on 4,660 acres in the Mojave desert, was developed and is owned and operated by Terra-Gen. It comprises 875 megawatts (MW) of solar and 3,320 megawatt-hours (MWh) of energy storage. . 1 week ago Edited February 2 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 2 Commitment to fossil fuels pays off. https://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Ferrari-Hits-1-Billion-in-Profits-Amid-Luxury-Market-Boom.html "Ferrari's net profits exceed €1 billion in 2023, marking a historic achievement with a 34% increase from the previous year. Increased demand for personalized supercars and strong sales of the Purosangue, 296, and SF90 models drive record-breaking revenues and shipments. Despite potential economic challenges, Ferrari forecasts continued revenue and core earnings growth, supported by a robust order book and strategic business plans." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 2 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Commitment to fossil fuels pays off. https://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Ferrari-Hits-1-Billion-in-Profits-Amid-Luxury-Market-Boom.html "Ferrari's net profits exceed €1 billion in 2023, marking a historic achievement with a 34% increase from the previous year. Increased demand for personalized supercars and strong sales of the Purosangue, 296, and SF90 models drive record-breaking revenues and shipments. Despite potential economic challenges, Ferrari forecasts continued revenue and core earnings growth, supported by a robust order book and strategic business plans." They do not credit fossil fuels for their profit - only you do, try reading the article. You should have also have noticed that the "296 and SF90 models driving record -breaking revenues" are both PHEV's. Fact is EV's are more sporty. Try harder. Edited February 2 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 2 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Fact is EV's are more sporty. Ya Don't Say 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 2 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say Yeah, owning a Tesla or a Ferrari will chase away all the ladies, and a shitty old gas guzzler will get them hot. It's also funny that in your joke the EV driver is dating the hot girl. What a burn! You are probably an incel as your joke appeals to other low class men. Edited February 2 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 3 (edited) EVs have run into a brick wall of consumer lack of interest and discontent of EV buyers. This looks like the end of the line for the imaginary "transition".. https://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Automakers-Reel-as-EV-Demand-Plummets.html "Ford and other manufacturers reduced EV production as dealers petitioned against aggressive EV policies due to accumulating unsold EVs. Hertz announced selling off a significant portion of its EV fleet due to high maintenance costs and consumer preference for internal combustion engines. The EV industry faced criticism over a cheating scandal involving inflated efficiency ratings and excessive subsidies, highlighting the need for market-driven consumer choices." Edited February 3 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ February 3 This is a PBS documentary which show Exon concluded C02 is causing global warming. It also shows that Exon and the Koch industry create a successful campaign to destroy the credibility of the fact that it is occurring and why. Heh Ecocharger, you do you claim C02 does not cause global warming. Why are you disagreeing with Exons conclusions about C02 causing global warming? Are you getting paid, or are you just ignorant. I don't know which one would be worse. Both of these companies need to be punished held accountable and closed where their assets are sold to other oil and refineries which never did this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAbcNl4Lb8 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 February 3 https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/03/opinion-nebraska-collision-study-hints-at-ev-infrastructure-costs-to-come-david-blackmon/ Some never addressed problems caused by EV weights. RCW 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 3 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said: https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/03/opinion-nebraska-collision-study-hints-at-ev-infrastructure-costs-to-come-david-blackmon/ Some never addressed problems caused by EV weights. RCW You really think new EV's are the heaviest things on the roadways? Yes an EV car might weigh more than an ICE car, but big, heavy, ICE trucks have been around and wreaking the roads for a very long time. Don't quote biased opinion articles as if they have any merit; you only seek out shit that fits your preconceived notions. Lastly, any infrastructure problems that could possibly happen with mass EV adoption only happens with mass EV adoption. Considering you do not think EV's will have mass adoption this should not concern you. If it does concern you, then admit you understand the future is electric. Edited February 3 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 4 (edited) The Science is in! LMAO Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever This potentially could offer a sustainable, renewable alternative to batteries, which hold toxic, flammable chemicals that leach into the ground, are fraught with conflict-filled supply chains, and contribute to the ever-growing problem of electronic waste. https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-new-dirt-powered-fuel-cell-that-runs-forever/ Edited February 4 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 4 (edited) 8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The Science is in! LMAO Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever This potentially could offer a sustainable, renewable alternative to batteries, which hold toxic, flammable chemicals that leach into the ground, are fraught with conflict-filled supply chains, and contribute to the ever-growing problem of electronic waste. https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-new-dirt-powered-fuel-cell-that-runs-forever/ That is actually a pretty cool idea for things that only require a tiny amount of power. You do know that ICE have batteries right? Full of toxic lead and sulfuric acid. The device you are reading this post on has one too! Edited February 5 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 5 5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The Science is in! LMAO Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever This potentially could offer a sustainable, renewable alternative to batteries, which hold toxic, flammable chemicals that leach into the ground, are fraught with conflict-filled supply chains, and contribute to the ever-growing problem of electronic waste. https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-new-dirt-powered-fuel-cell-that-runs-forever/ EVs in any form are a waste, the demand for them caused by imaginary problems. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 5 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: EVs in any form are a waste, the demand for them caused by imaginary problems. You obviously didn't read the article. You just automatically respond with anti-EV, pro-oil shit. Too funny. https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-develop-new-dirt-powered-fuel-cell-that-runs-forever/ All vehicles cause real problems... Edited February 5 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 5 (edited) Ya Don't Say Automakers Reel as EV Demand Plummets By ZeroHedge - Feb 03, 2024, 12:00 PM CST Ford and other manufacturers reduced EV production as dealers petitioned against aggressive EV policies due to accumulating unsold EVs. Hertz announced selling off a significant portion of its EV fleet due to high maintenance costs and consumer preference for internal combustion engines. The EV industry faced criticism over a cheating scandal involving inflated efficiency ratings and excessive subsidies, highlighting the need for market-driven consumer choices. Blinded by their own climate ambitions, the net-zero crowd doesn’t see the writing on the wall. Nor do they seem to care that taxpayers are picking up the tab, particularly those purchasing ICE vehicles, which are artificially inflated to help companies recoup what they can’t charge EV buyers. Very few would actually pay the amount an EV really costs. Americans are bankrolling roughly $50,000 per EV over a decade, with the amount it takes to produce and keep them running. https://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Automakers-Reel-as-EV-Demand-Plummets.html Edited February 5 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE February 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say Automakers Reel as EV Demand Plummets By ZeroHedge - Feb 03, 2024, 12:00 PM CST Ford and other manufacturers reduced EV production as dealers petitioned against aggressive EV policies due to accumulating unsold EVs. Hertz announced selling off a significant portion of its EV fleet due to high maintenance costs and consumer preference for internal combustion engines. The EV industry faced criticism over a cheating scandal involving inflated efficiency ratings and excessive subsidies, highlighting the need for market-driven consumer choices. Blinded by their own climate ambitions, the net-zero crowd doesn’t see the writing on the wall. Nor do they seem to care that taxpayers are picking up the tab, particularly those purchasing ICE vehicles, which are artificially inflated to help companies recoup what they can’t charge EV buyers. Very few would actually pay the amount an EV really costs. Americans are bankrolling roughly $50,000 per EV over a decade, with the amount it takes to produce and keep them running. https://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Markets/Automakers-Reel-as-EV-Demand-Plummets.html You don't seem to understand that the demographic who buy expensive early adopter EV's are also the same people who pay the most taxes. If you are poor and have no car or drive a POS gas car you don't have to worry about where the tax dollars were spent because you contributed little to none. Secondly, the auto makers are free to charge whatever they want for anything. It is called free market capitalism. If you don't like the price don't buy it (dollar voting). Lastly, cheating scandals about efficiency / emissions has happened multiple times with ICE automakers (VW, etc.). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_voting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal Edited February 5 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rob Plant said: A Sustainable Energy Storage Solution Solution or just another Green Debacle. Meanwhile another reality in the Green Debacle...World wide demand destruction and chaos. Hertz Halts EV Purchases from Polestar as Resale Value Crashes Earlier this year, Hertz said in a regulatory filing to the SEC it is selling roughly one-third of its electric vehicle fleet, highlighting the risk of its first-mover strategy when it comes to EVs. Hertz has made the strategic decision to sell around 20,000 electric vehicles from its U.S. fleet, or about one-third of the global EV fleet. Hertz expects to reinvest a portion of the proceeds from the sale of EVs into buying internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles to meet customer demand, the car rental giant said in January. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Hertz-Halts-EV-Purchases-from-Polestar-as-Resale-Value-Crashes.html Edited February 5 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 5 (edited) Where does this all end? Or has it ended! EV'S world wide crashes being reported upon from every continent? Viewer discretion is advised. Volvo Is Done Propping Up Struggling Polestar Plus Tesla is under fire for its handling of toxic waste and Cruise is burning through cash at an alarming rate Swedish automaker Volvo is preparing to part ways with electric vehicle maker Polestar as the two companies face struggles around the world. Polestar, which started out as a subsidiary of Volvo, is owned by the Swedish company and Chinese automotive giant Geely. Now, Volvo is looking to offload its shares in the EV maker onto Geely. https://jalopnik.com/volvo-is-done-propping-up-struggling-polestar-1851215514 Edited February 5 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 5 Still more crashing across world wide markets. A total collapse immanent? When the dust settles only then will the barren landscape of of substantial energy be portrayed. EV stocks are seeing a historic sell-off, with some down 90% from their peak The EV stock bubble has burst, and prices are tanking in a historic sell-off. Formerly high-flying stocks like Rivian, Lucid, and Xpeng are down 80% to 90% from their peaks. The industry is being slammed by higher borrowing costs, slow growth in Europe, and expiring subsidies. /public/assets/BI/US/logos/newsletters/insider-today-logo.png NEW LOOK And the bad news keeps coming. This week, Renault canceled the IPO for its software unit, Ampere. Bloomberg also reported Volkswagen AG postponed its plans to seek outside investors for its battery company, PowerCo. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ev-stock-price-crash-tesla-rivian-lucid-market-historic-selloff-2024-1#:~:text=The EV stock bubble has,in Europe%2C and expiring subsidies. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,458 DL February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Still more crashing across world wide markets. A total collapse immanent? When the dust settles only then will the barren landscape of of substantial energy be portrayed. EV stocks are seeing a historic sell-off, with some down 90% from their peak The EV stock bubble has burst, and prices are tanking in a historic sell-off. Formerly high-flying stocks like Rivian, Lucid, and Xpeng are down 80% to 90% from their peaks. The industry is being slammed by higher borrowing costs, slow growth in Europe, and expiring subsidies. /public/assets/BI/US/logos/newsletters/insider-today-logo.png NEW LOOK And the bad news keeps coming. This week, Renault canceled the IPO for its software unit, Ampere. Bloomberg also reported Volkswagen AG postponed its plans to seek outside investors for its battery company, PowerCo. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ev-stock-price-crash-tesla-rivian-lucid-market-historic-selloff-2024-1#:~:text=The EV stock bubble has,in Europe%2C and expiring subsidies. I wish I could say that this is a surprise, but it was obvious all along that EVs were not the answer to any problem. Only an extremely ill-informed and ill-advised public policy could waste so many billions of taxpayer money subsidizing such a foolish blundering policy. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Edited February 6 by Ecocharger 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 February 6 This type of breaking news has only just begun. The financial fallout will last for years. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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