TailingsPond + 505 GE February 21 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: More garbage in the law courts, wasting time and money over nothing. Chicago needs to realize that the bottom line is that oil companies produce oil, which is a legal substance and have responded to the federal Biden administration's pleas to produce more oil until America is the world number one producer. And, yes, legal means legal. The oil companies should counter-sue these nonsensical litigants for legal harassment and abuse of a legal procedure. If these people are serious about oil being a problem, they should elect a government which will immediately outlaw the substance. Until then, there is nothing wrong with producing oil. Having a debate about the causes of climate change does not constitute deception, and the oil companies do not control the government. The plaintiffs will have to show that the President relies upon the arguments put forward by the oil companies...but that does not happen. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Chicago-Files-Suit-Against-Big-Oil.html Very similar to the legal cases against the tobacco industry. Yes, tobacco is still legal but the industry paid the price for hiding information about its known deleterious health effects. Hundreds of billions. Edited February 21 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,102 DM February 21 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: More garbage in the law courts, wasting time and money over nothing. Chicago needs to realize that the bottom line is that oil companies produce oil, which is a legal substance and have responded to the federal Biden administration's pleas to produce more oil until America is the world number one producer. And, yes, legal means legal. The oil companies should counter-sue these nonsensical litigants for legal harassment and abuse of a legal procedure. If these people are serious about oil being a problem, they should elect a government which will immediately outlaw the substance. Until then, there is nothing wrong with producing oil. Having a debate about the causes of climate change does not constitute deception, and the oil companies do not control the government. The plaintiffs will have to show that the President relies upon the arguments put forward by the oil companies...but that does not happen. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Chicago-Files-Suit-Against-Big-Oil.html bla bla bla.......how far have you gotten with your Trump University Law Degree????? Enjoy the Green Transition....I especially like it every time you get triggered...... they should elect a government which will immediately outlaw the substance??????.....it is being worked on ...smooth transition PS how do you like what is happening in coal in the US????? U.S. coal exports account for larger share of a shrinking ... U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov) https://www.eia.gov › todayinenergy › detail Jan 29, 2024 — We expect U.S. coal consumption will total 482 million short tons (MMst) in 2024, 29% less than in 2019. We expect that exports will make up 19% ... US EIA projects 2024 coal exports down 9% on year at 91 ... S&P Global https://www.spglobal.com › latest-news › 010924-us-e... Jan 9, 2024 — Total coal consumption was projected at 391.3 million st in 2024, up 1.6% from the prior month's projection. The EIA estimated 2025 total coal ... Coal use at U.S. power plants continues downward spiral Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis https://ieefa.org › resources › coal-use-us-power-plant... Nov 2, 2023 — Overall, coal output could fall to 466 million tons in 2024, a 25 percent decline of 115 million tons from 2023 levels, the EIA says. If that ... US coal production to slump in 2024 The Coal Hub https://thecoalhub.com › report-presentation › us-coal-... Jan 29, 2024 — The US Energy Information Administration (EIA) forecasts a dramatic decline in US coal production of 90 million short tons (82 million ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,656 RP February 21 11 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You are joking...this is not reality, but a "projection", these are not actual numbers. The fact is that EV sales in Britain and Germany and Europe are plummeting by huge proportions while fossil fuel vehicles are experiencing a major increase in sales. Can you not read?? From the article Global EV Sales Break Record For January So much for cautious optimism on the state of the global electric vehicle market. Rho Motion crunched the numbers and came up with a record breaking sales pace of 660,000 electric vehicles sold globally in January. That was 12 months ago, back in January 2023. This year’s January EV sales blew past that mark by 69% for a total of more than 1 million. “In the EU & EFTA & UK, EV sales have grown by 29% y-o-y, 41% in the USA & Canada, and almost doubled in China,” Rho Motion added, with EFTA referring to the European Free Trade Association. Subsidy cuts in some jurisdictions had an impact on EV sales in January compared to December, but the impact did not offset the year-over-year gains. “In Germany, EV sales halved m-o-m following the end of the subsidy. However, y-o-y sales increased by 40%,” Rho Motion noted. “Likewise in France, EV sales also halved m-o-m but saw a 20% increase y-o-y.” 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,656 RP February 21 5 hours ago, notsonice said: bla bla bla.......how far have you gotten with your Trump University Law Degree????? Enjoy the Green Transition....I especially like it every time you get triggered...... they should elect a government which will immediately outlaw the substance??????.....it is being worked on ...smooth transition PS how do you like what is happening in coal in the US????? U.S. coal exports account for larger share of a shrinking ... U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov) https://www.eia.gov › todayinenergy › detail Jan 29, 2024 — We expect U.S. coal consumption will total 482 million short tons (MMst) in 2024, 29% less than in 2019. We expect that exports will make up 19% ... US EIA projects 2024 coal exports down 9% on year at 91 ... S&P Global https://www.spglobal.com › latest-news › 010924-us-e... Jan 9, 2024 — Total coal consumption was projected at 391.3 million st in 2024, up 1.6% from the prior month's projection. The EIA estimated 2025 total coal ... Coal use at U.S. power plants continues downward spiral Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis https://ieefa.org › resources › coal-use-us-power-plant... Nov 2, 2023 — Overall, coal output could fall to 466 million tons in 2024, a 25 percent decline of 115 million tons from 2023 levels, the EIA says. If that ... US coal production to slump in 2024 The Coal Hub https://thecoalhub.com › report-presentation › us-coal-... Jan 29, 2024 — The US Energy Information Administration (EIA) forecasts a dramatic decline in US coal production of 90 million short tons (82 million ... China’s Coal Expansion Starts to Slow Down China’s Coal Expansion Starts to Slow Down | OilPrice.com Looks like coal is done and China are on course to start reducing their reliance on coal from 2025 as they are well on the way to meeting their targets. This might be why China is set to double its capacity and produce 1,200 gigawatts of energy through wind and solar power by 2025, reaching its 2030 goal five years ahead of time China on course to hit wind and solar power target five years ahead of time | China | The Guardian 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ February 21 My Queen. Eyes in the back of your head, and all the other climate deniers getting paid by the oil companies. You should register and learn something!!!! Join Us for a Green New Deal Town Hall in Astoria! Join Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in Astoria for an in-person town hall to celebrate the five-year anniversary of the Green New Deal! We'll be at 14-14 29th Avenue, Astoria, NY 11102 on Thursday, February 22 at 6 pm. Guests are asked to register in advance. REGISTER HERE The Congresswoman will discuss our progress with the Green New Deal over the past five years and lay out a vision for the next five years. There will be a panel discussion with local elected officials and organizers on projects impacting New Yorkers. The Congresswoman will also take questions from the audience. Spanish and ASL interpretation will be available. CART open captions can be accessed here. If you can join us in person, join us virtually @RepAOC on Twitter, Facebook, or YouTube. If you have any questions, call our office at 718-662-5970. We hope to see you there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 21 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Can you not read?? From the article Global EV Sales Break Record For January So much for cautious optimism on the state of the global electric vehicle market. Rho Motion crunched the numbers and came up with a record breaking sales pace of 660,000 electric vehicles sold globally in January. That was 12 months ago, back in January 2023. This year’s January EV sales blew past that mark by 69% for a total of more than 1 million. “In the EU & EFTA & UK, EV sales have grown by 29% y-o-y, 41% in the USA & Canada, and almost doubled in China,” Rho Motion added, with EFTA referring to the European Free Trade Association. Subsidy cuts in some jurisdictions had an impact on EV sales in January compared to December, but the impact did not offset the year-over-year gains. “In Germany, EV sales halved m-o-m following the end of the subsidy. However, y-o-y sales increased by 40%,” Rho Motion noted. “Likewise in France, EV sales also halved m-o-m but saw a 20% increase y-o-y.” Read your own material, Rob. “In Germany, EV sales halved m-o-m following the end of the subsidy. However, y-o-y sales increased by 40%,” Rho Motion noted. “Likewise in France, EV sales also halved m-o-m but saw a 20% increase y-o-y.” "Halved" means a catastrophic fall off a cliff due to end of government incentives. That means disaster. Since when do sales "halve" in one month? That means collapse, end of the road. Sorry to have to point out your own material, but reality is reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 21 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: China’s Coal Expansion Starts to Slow Down China’s Coal Expansion Starts to Slow Down | OilPrice.com Looks like coal is done and China are on course to start reducing their reliance on coal from 2025 as they are well on the way to meeting their targets. This might be why China is set to double its capacity and produce 1,200 gigawatts of energy through wind and solar power by 2025, reaching its 2030 goal five years ahead of time China on course to hit wind and solar power target five years ahead of time | China | The Guardian Again, read your own material, Rob. "The province of Shanxi, for instance, plans to boost coal production this year by 57 million tons, which is a substantial reduction from last year’s 100 million tons. Shanxi is the biggest coal-producing province in China, with 2023 output seen at 1.23 billion tons." That is still major growth in coal production. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 21 (edited) 22 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Again, read your own material, Rob. "The province of Shanxi, for instance, plans to boost coal production this year by 57 million tons, which is a substantial reduction from last year’s 100 million tons. Shanxi is the biggest coal-producing province in China, with 2023 output seen at 1.23 billion tons." That is still major growth in coal production. But it is a huge reduction in the rate of growth. From +100 to +57 in one year, project that forward. If you use a fixed fraction of 0.57 of the previous year you get (100, 57, 32.5, 18.5). If you use a fixed reduction of demand in tonnage, -43 million tons, you get (100, 57, 14, -29). So from any of those, or your numbers, you can forecast the death of coal. Not that anybody needs math to predict the death of coal, there are plenty of examples of near abandoned towns due to the closure of the local coal mine. The gold rush ended and so has the coal rush. Edited February 22 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,102 DM February 21 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read your own material, Rob. “In Germany, EV sales halved m-o-m following the end of the subsidy. However, y-o-y sales increased by 40%,” Rho Motion noted. “Likewise in France, EV sales also halved m-o-m but saw a 20% increase y-o-y.” "Halved" means a catastrophic fall off a cliff due to end of government incentives. That means disaster. Since when do sales "halve" in one month? That means collapse, end of the road. Sorry to have to point out your own material, but reality is reality. January is always a down month for all vehicle sales.... of course you know this and then you post In Germany y-o-y sales increased by 40% for ev's Dude your clunkers life is coming to an end.....EV or Hybrid your choice... enjoy the green transition.......I love seeing you get triggered by EV sales increasing....Enjoy your day I will post this chart again for you 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,656 RP February 22 16 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read your own material, Rob. “In Germany, EV sales halved m-o-m following the end of the subsidy. However, y-o-y sales increased by 40%,” Rho Motion noted. “Likewise in France, EV sales also halved m-o-m but saw a 20% increase y-o-y.” "Halved" means a catastrophic fall off a cliff due to end of government incentives. That means disaster. Since when do sales "halve" in one month? That means collapse, end of the road. Sorry to have to point out your own material, but reality is reality. The important metric is y-o-y increases of 40% and 20% which are still huge surely even you can see that doesnt mean sales are collapsing as you put it. if I increased my sales by 40% compared to last year I'd be asking for a pay rise! 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,656 RP February 22 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Again, read your own material, Rob. "The province of Shanxi, for instance, plans to boost coal production this year by 57 million tons, which is a substantial reduction from last year’s 100 million tons. Shanxi is the biggest coal-producing province in China, with 2023 output seen at 1.23 billion tons." That is still major growth in coal production. So you post that for EV's that grew y-o-y by 40% and say that sales have collapsed and then you post that coal growth has reduced from 100 million tons to 57m tons and say it is still major growth??? Wow talk about double standards Youre making yourself look silly, try applying the same logic to coal as you do to EV's Wait for that additional 600GW of renewables to come on stream in 2025 and then see what China's coal usage is like! Edited February 22 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 22 6 hours ago, Rob Plant said: The important metric is y-o-y increases of 40% and 20% which are still huge surely even you can see that doesnt mean sales are collapsing as you put it. if I increased my sales by 40% compared to last year I'd be asking for a pay rise! No, because the y-o-y increase was less than the one month drop in December. That means a huge sales decline which was greater than the annual build. That rate of decline is a catastrophe and signals an end to the EV revolution. That should be obvious even to you, Rob. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rob Plant said: So you post that for EV's that grew y-o-y by 40% and say that sales have collapsed and then you post that coal growth has reduced from 100 million tons to 57m tons and say it is still major growth??? Wow talk about double standards Youre making yourself look silly, try applying the same logic to coal as you do to EV's Wait for that additional 600GW of renewables to come on stream in 2025 and then see what China's coal usage is like! No, you are really confused. EV sales declined by 47% in one month in December, a catastrophic rate of decline, whereas in coal the production increased by 57m tons, which is still a major increase. One increased, the other declined. You are confused between up and down. Edited February 22 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 22 Just now, Ecocharger said: That rate of decline is a catastrophe and signals an end to the EV revolution. These guys keep saying that the green revolution is already over, yet continue to notice that is is not over. "Signals an end" means he knows it is not over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: No, you are really confused. EV sales declined by 47% in one month in December, a catastrophic rate of decline, whereas in coal the production increased by 57m tons, which is still a major increase. One increased, the other declined. You are confused between up and down. Sales decline is not like they returned the cars silly, they still sold cars which is growth just like your coal. Both grew, you are the one confused. Do I need to give a lecture on the difference between a function, its derivative, and its second derivative? f(x), f(x)', f(x)'' One is the absolute change, one is the rate of change, the last is rate of change of the rate of change. You clearly do not understand. Edited February 22 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 22 Realities, realities. Unfortunately for the Green Goblins, those darned facts keep getting in the way. Isn't that a shame? "Exxon CEO Darren Woods said it will be difficult to replace today’s energy system thanks to the wide availability of oil and gas, adding that the energy transition would take time. “There seems to be wishful thinking that we’re going to flip a switch from where we’re at today to where it will be tomorrow. No matter where demand gets to, if we don’t maintain some level of investment industry, you end up running short on supply which leads to higher prices.” Aramco CEO Amin Nasser noted that previous predictions about peak oil demand have failed to materialize,“This notion is wilting under scrutiny because it is mostly being driven by policies, rather than the proven combination of markets, competitive economics and technology. We need to invest, otherwise in the mid- to long-term we will have another crisis and we will go backward in terms of using more and more coal and other cheap products that are available today,” he said. Nasser has predicted that global oil demand will hit 110 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2030, up from 102 million b/d in 2023." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/ADNOC-CEO-Global-Energy-Demand-Growth-Is-Unsustainable.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 22 9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Realities, realities. Unfortunately for the Green Goblins, those darned facts keep getting in the way. Isn't that a shame? "Exxon CEO Darren Woods said it will be difficult to replace today’s energy system thanks to the wide availability of oil and gas, adding that the energy transition would take time. “There seems to be wishful thinking that we’re going to flip a switch from where we’re at today to where it will be tomorrow. No matter where demand gets to, if we don’t maintain some level of investment industry, you end up running short on supply which leads to higher prices.” Aramco CEO Amin Nasser noted that previous predictions about peak oil demand have failed to materialize,“This notion is wilting under scrutiny because it is mostly being driven by policies, rather than the proven combination of markets, competitive economics and technology. We need to invest, otherwise in the mid- to long-term we will have another crisis and we will go backward in terms of using more and more coal and other cheap products that are available today,” he said. Nasser has predicted that global oil demand will hit 110 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2030, up from 102 million b/d in 2023." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/ADNOC-CEO-Global-Energy-Demand-Growth-Is-Unsustainable.html Same article: "Exxon Mobil sees global oil demand peaking in just a decade" "The energy company has projected that renewables and nuclear will record strong growth through 2050, contributing around 70% of incremental energy supplies." "Exxon has predicted there will be 920 million plug-in hybrids, battery electric, or fuel cell vehicles on the roads in 2050, good for 44% of the global fleet. In the near term, the company sees EV sales growing from 6.4 million in 2021 to 33 million in 2030, good for a healthy compounded annual growth rate of about 20%." The bloody oil company says 20% compounded annual growth of EV sales! Keep posting the pro green energy news. You really need to read the articles before you link Eco. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 22 Facts are facts. Oil is up, EVs are down. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Facts are facts. Oil is up, EVs are down. No, Ev's are not down, they are growing slower same as your coal. Yet.... You are the one who posted this. "the company sees EV sales growing from 6.4 million in 2021 to 33 million in 2030, good for a healthy compounded annual growth rate of about 20%." Edited February 22 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,102 DM February 22 45 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Facts are facts. Oil is up, EVs are down. Oil is up???? $83 brent???? and this is just a bounce up from its average of $75 for the past year oh boy a dead cat bounce and you are all giddy....... what happened to your Brent will be $100 or July 2022 your Brent will be $130 the only support you have for oil today is Red Sea Turmoil (nice to see that your oil price gets support by terrorists) and you have SPR filling adjust your Brent today to account for inflation and what do you have.... save your BS until oil hits $100.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 23 (edited) Another One Bites The Dust...Go figure Shell Backs Out Of Yet Another Floating Offshore Wind Project By Julianne Geiger - Feb 22, 2024, 3:30 PM Wind projects, on the other hand, have suffered a significant blow to its profitability thanks to the skyrocketing costs of raw materials and equipment, and developers are backing out around the globe. In the United States, for example, even after the Department of the Interior approved in November 2023 large-scale offshore wind power project Empire Wind 2, developers just months later scrapped the project, citing its compromised commercial viability. BP and Equinor booked $840 million in impairments associated with the failed wind project, and Orsted—the world’s largest offshore wind developer—recently took impairment charges worth $4 billion after canceling two offshore wind projects planned off the coast of New Jersey. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Shell-Backs-Out-Of-Yet-Another-Floating-Offshore-Wind-Project.html Edited February 23 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 505 GE February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Another One Bites The Dust...Go figure Shell Backs Out Of Yet Another Floating Offshore Wind Project By Julianne Geiger - Feb 22, 2024, 3:30 PM Wind projects, on the other hand, have suffered a significant blow to its profitability thanks to the skyrocketing costs of raw materials and equipment, and developers are backing out around the globe. In the United States, for example, even after the Department of the Interior approved in November 2023 large-scale offshore wind power project Empire Wind 2, developers just months later scrapped the project, citing its compromised commercial viability. BP and Equinor booked $840 million in impairments associated with the failed wind project, and Orsted—the world’s largest offshore wind developer—recently took impairment charges worth $4 billion after canceling two offshore wind projects planned off the coast of New Jersey. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Shell-Backs-Out-Of-Yet-Another-Floating-Offshore-Wind-Project.html Yes, Shell sold their share of the project but the project will still go forward. They clearly expect it to be profitable. You really need to read the articles. "Shell will sell its 80% stake in the 1.25 GW MunmuBaram project in South Korea to its JV partner Hexicon, leaving the latter with a 100% stake in the project, Shell said. The compensation to Shell for the remaining stake in the project will be $5 million in cash, plus another $50 million in the form of a profit-sharing agreement spread over three years, commencing when the project starts" Edited February 23 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,656 RP February 23 (edited) 14 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Realities, realities. Unfortunately for the Green Goblins, those darned facts keep getting in the way. Isn't that a shame? "Exxon CEO Darren Woods said it will be difficult to replace today’s energy system thanks to the wide availability of oil and gas, adding that the energy transition would take time. “There seems to be wishful thinking that we’re going to flip a switch from where we’re at today to where it will be tomorrow. No matter where demand gets to, if we don’t maintain some level of investment industry, you end up running short on supply which leads to higher prices.” Aramco CEO Amin Nasser noted that previous predictions about peak oil demand have failed to materialize,“This notion is wilting under scrutiny because it is mostly being driven by policies, rather than the proven combination of markets, competitive economics and technology. We need to invest, otherwise in the mid- to long-term we will have another crisis and we will go backward in terms of using more and more coal and other cheap products that are available today,” he said. Nasser has predicted that global oil demand will hit 110 million barrels per day (bpd) by 2030, up from 102 million b/d in 2023." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/ADNOC-CEO-Global-Energy-Demand-Growth-Is-Unsustainable.html Say the CEO's of 2 oil majors! Hmmm 🤔 Edited February 23 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL February 24 (edited) 18 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Say the CEO's of 2 oil majors! Hmmm 🤔 No one seems to disagree with them...I guess those oil execs are a lot more valuable to the energy future than some people think! Best to stay on their good side. Edited February 24 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 February 24 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No one seems to disagree with them...I guess those oil execs are a lot more valuable to the energy future than some people think! Best to stay on their good side. A picture worth a 1000 words? Or trillions of dollars Nations mired in Green Energy utility bills Edited February 24 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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