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China: Plug-In Electric Car Share Increases To 12% In May 2021

Two Teslas on the podium and a new nameplate in the top five.

In May 2021, plug-in electric car registrations in China increased about 146% year-over-year to over 190,000, which accounts for 12% of the overall car market.

It seems that after 11% share in March, 10% in April and 12% now, China might be above 10% permanently now.

All-electric cars not only remain in the majority (9.4% share), but also expands at a faster rate - 153% year-over-year

Year-to-date sales of new passenger plug-in electric cars amount to over 856,000, which is also 10% of the total market (including 8.3% for BEVs).

The top five for the month:

1. Wuling Hong Guang MINI EV - 26,742
2. Tesla Model Y - 12,728
3. Tesla Model 3 - 9,208
4. Changan Benni EV - 8,371
5. BYD Han (BEV) - 5,763

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Tesla Model 3 Is Outright Bestselling Vehicle (of any kind) In UK – Plugin EVs take 17.2% Share. The UK saw plugin electric vehicles take 17.2% share of the auto market in June 2021, up from 9.5% in June 2020. The Tesla Model 3 was the UK's overall best selling vehicle (of any powertrain) in the month, with 5,468 units sold. 

BEV outsold diesel by 30%!

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Toyota is scared to death. They screwed up and backed hydrogen and now they are bashing the transition in an attempt to slow it down while they frantically partner with EV and battery producers to try and catch up. 

BYD, Toyota Launch BYD TOYOTA EV TECHNOLOGY Joint Venture to Conduct Battery Electric Vehicle R&D

Toyota and Panasonic Decide to Establish Joint Venture Specializing in Automotive Prismatic Batteries

Toyota and Subaru are teaming up for this spacious electric SUV concept

Toyota Details Six New EV Models Launching for 2020–2025

The automaker is pushing its electric-car rollout up a few years in response to global demand.

• Toyota is pushing up its planned EV rollout by five years.
• Global demand for electric cars is outpacing Toyota's predictions, forcing the company to act.

 

The quote I gave you was from 2021, you retort with a quote from 2017....Jay, you are way out of date.

Developments have left you behind.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

China: Plug-In Electric Car Share Increases To 12% In May 2021

Two Teslas on the podium and a new nameplate in the top five.

In May 2021, plug-in electric car registrations in China increased about 146% year-over-year to over 190,000, which accounts for 12% of the overall car market.

It seems that after 11% share in March, 10% in April and 12% now, China might be above 10% permanently now.

All-electric cars not only remain in the majority (9.4% share), but also expands at a faster rate - 153% year-over-year

Year-to-date sales of new passenger plug-in electric cars amount to over 856,000, which is also 10% of the total market (including 8.3% for BEVs).

The top five for the month:

1. Wuling Hong Guang MINI EV - 26,742
2. Tesla Model Y - 12,728
3. Tesla Model 3 - 9,208
4. Changan Benni EV - 8,371
5. BYD Han (BEV) - 5,763

12% of SALES, not 12% of the vehicle stock....the numbers in this piece are wild.

Pay attention to the details, Jay.

"We will need much more generation capacity to power about 300 million cars if we’re all going to be forced to drive electric cars. Whether we’re charging them at home or charging
them on the road, we will be charging them frequently. Every gas station you see on the roadside today will have to be wired to charge electric cars, and charge speeds will have to be greatly increased. Current technology enables charges in “as little as 30
minutes,” according to Kelly Blue Book. That best-case-scenario fast charging cannot be done on home power. It uses direct current and specialized systems. Charging at home on alternating current can take a few hours to overnight to fill the battery, and will
increase the home power bill. That power, like all electricity in the United States, comes from generators using natural gas, petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, or hydroelectric power according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. I left out
biomass because, despite Austin, Texas’ experiment with purchasing a biomass plant to help power the city, biomass is proving to be irrelevant in the grand energy scheme thus far. Austin didn’t even turn on its biomass plant during the recent freeze.
 
Half an hour is an unacceptably long time to spend at an electron pump. It’s about 5 to 10 times longer than a current trip to the gas pump tends to take when pumps can push
4 to 5 gallons into your tank per minute. That’s for consumer cars, not big rigs that have much larger tanks. Imagine the lines that would form at the pump, every day, all the time, if a single charge time isn’t reduced by 70 to 80 percent. We can expect improvements,
but those won’t come without cost. Nothing does. There is no free lunch. Electrifying the auto fleet will require a massive overhaul of the power grid and an enormous increase in power generation. Elon Musk recently said we might need double the amount of
power we’re currently generating if we go electric. He’s not saying this from a position of opposing electric cars. His Tesla dominates that market and he presumably wants to sell even more of them."

Edited July 21, 2021 by Ecocharger

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10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The quote I gave you was from 2021, you retort with a quote from 2017....Jay, you are way out of date.

Developments have left you behind.

Toyota Press Release from last month:

Toyota Debuts All-Electric SUV Concept in U.S.

June 02, 2021

 

• Electrified product portfolio to expand to around 70 models globally by 2025, including 15 new BEV’s
• https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-debuts-all-electric-suv-concept-in-u-s/

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Tesla Model 3 Is Outright Bestselling Vehicle (of any kind) In UK – Plugin EVs take 17.2% Share. The UK saw plugin electric vehicles take 17.2% share of the auto market in June 2021, up from 9.5% in June 2020. The Tesla Model 3 was the UK's overall best selling vehicle (of any powertrain) in the month, with 5,468 units sold. 

BEV outsold diesel by 30%!

 

And gasoline takes 83% share...and this is in spite of humungous government efforts to make that outcome impossible.

This is in UK!! Home of the Green Dream Machine. That is pathetic.

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

U.S. coal production up 15% this year.

Dead cat bounce will only last for a few years at most. Just like the horse population which had a dead cat bounce  from 1915 to 1920 . US coal is in a long term decline and will never recover to its past peaks. 2030 coal in the US ? my bet is 400 Million tons max. If you are so hot on coal there are many coal mines in the US looking for buyers/investors to take them out of bankruptcy. Hope you have a boat load of cash to lose.

24 Feb, 2021 SP global

Large swath of US coal deliveries going to plants closing capacity by 2030

A substantial amount of the coal U.S. companies produced in the first three quarters of 2020 went to plants that are retiring coal capacity before the end of 2030.

Losing steady customers is challenging for any business, but the U.S. coal sector faces the additional challenge of not seeing any new domestic customers coming online anytime soon as export options remain limited.

While individual company exposure varies, 31.4% of U.S. coal deliveries in the first three quarters of 2020 went to power plants that were retiring some or all of their current coal capacity by 2030, according to an S&P Global Market Intelligence analysis.

 

U.S. Equine Population During
Mechanization of Agriculture
and Transportation
Year Number of Horses and Mules
1900 21,531,635
1905 22,077,000
1910 24,042,882
1915 26,493,000
1920 25,199,552
1925 22,081,520
1930 18,885,856
1935 16,676,000
1940 13,931,531
1945 11,629,000
1950 7,604,000
1955 4,309,000
1960 3,089,000

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Toyota Press Release from last month:

Toyota Debuts All-Electric SUV Concept in U.S.

June 02, 2021

 

• Electrified product portfolio to expand to around 70 models globally by 2025, including 15 new BEV’s

Numbers of models don't matter. Here is what matters,

"Current technology enables charges in “as little as 30
minutes,” according to Kelly Blue Book. That best-case-scenario fast charging cannot be done on home power. It uses direct current and specialized systems. Charging at home on alternating current can take a few hours to overnight to fill the battery, and will
increase the home power bill. That power, like all electricity in the United States, comes from generators using natural gas, petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, or hydroelectric power according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. I left out
biomass because, despite Austin, Texas’ experiment with purchasing a biomass plant to help power the city, biomass is proving to be irrelevant in the grand energy scheme thus far. Austin didn’t even turn on its biomass plant during the recent freeze.
 
Half an hour is an unacceptably long time to spend at an electron pump. It’s about 5 to 10 times longer than a current trip to the gas pump tends to take when pumps can push
4 to 5 gallons into your tank per minute. That’s for consumer cars, not big rigs that have much larger tanks. Imagine the lines that would form at the pump, every day, all the time, if a single charge time isn’t reduced by 70 to 80 percent. We can expect improvements,
but those won’t come without cost. Nothing does. There is no free lunch. Electrifying the auto fleet will require a massive overhaul of the power grid and an enormous increase in power generation. Elon Musk recently said we might need double the amount of
power we’re currently generating if we go electric. He’s not saying this from a position of opposing electric cars. His Tesla dominates that market and he presumably wants to sell even more of them."

Edited July 21, 2021 by Ecocharger

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20 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Numbers of models don't matter. Here is what matters,

"Current technology enables charges in “as little as 30
minutes,” according to Kelly Blue Book. That best-case-scenario fast charging cannot be done on home power. It uses direct current and specialized systems. Charging at home on alternating current can take a few hours to overnight to fill the battery, and will
increase the home power bill. That power, like all electricity in the United States, comes from generators using natural gas, petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, or hydroelectric power according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. I left out
biomass because, despite Austin, Texas’ experiment with purchasing a biomass plant to help power the city, biomass is proving to be irrelevant in the grand energy scheme thus far. Austin didn’t even turn on its biomass plant during the recent freeze.
 
Half an hour is an unacceptably long time to spend at an electron pump. It’s about 5 to 10 times longer than a current trip to the gas pump tends to take when pumps can push
4 to 5 gallons into your tank per minute. That’s for consumer cars, not big rigs that have much larger tanks. Imagine the lines that would form at the pump, every day, all the time, if a single charge time isn’t reduced by 70 to 80 percent. We can expect improvements,
but those won’t come without cost. Nothing does. There is no free lunch. Electrifying the auto fleet will require a massive overhaul of the power grid and an enormous increase in power generation. Elon Musk recently said we might need double the amount of
power we’re currently generating if we go electric. He’s not saying this from a position of opposing electric cars. His Tesla dominates that market and he presumably wants to sell even more of them."

Just more of the usual crap. People don't mind charging overnight at home and the increase in power bill is far less than the savings from buying gasoline. Supercharging time however is also decreasing rapidly. 

Meanwhile EV demand is through the roof, the only problem is ramping production, that takes a little time. Tesla is sold out for months.

Toyota is terrified!!

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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54 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

And gasoline takes 83% share...and this is in spite of humungous government efforts to make that outcome impossible.

This is in UK!! Home of the Green Dream Machine. That is pathetic.

Growing at a prodigious rate, 131% year-over-year. PEV will be 50% of the market in two years.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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36 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Just more of the usual crap. People don't mind charging overnight at home and the increase in power bill is far less than the savings from buying gasoline. Supercharging time however is also decreasing rapidly. 

Meanwhile EV demand is through the roof, the only problem is ramping production, that takes a little time. Tesla is sold out for months.

Toyota is terrified!!

Speaking of the usual crap your dead on target as always, there never has been a EV market to back up your over night charging. Nor are there homes of any magnitude that are wired for EV charging, nor are there any condo/apartment complexes wired for any type of EV charging.

Jay plzz put that energetic mind to good use, you are promoting a catastrophic failure for the masses

 For Christ sakes your almost in league with Cortez! And rumor has it not nearly as cute.

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Speaking of the usual crap your dead on target as always, there never has been a EV market to back up your over night charging. Nor are there homes of any magnitude that are wired for EV charging, nor are there any condo/apartment complexes wired for any type of EV charging.

Jay plzz put that energetic mind to good use, you are promoting a catastrophic failure for the masses

 For Christ sakes your almost in league with Cortez! And rumor has it not nearly as cute.

You are still confused. Almost the entire current EV market does over night charging and most homes have 220/240.

Condo/apartment solutions are coming online. Building owners are excited because they get to sell you the electricity if they pay for installing the equipment. Otherwise the utilities are going to pay for it and sell the electricity. Over the next couple decades most apartments will have them. 

Almost all houses have both 120 volt service and 240 volt service (these can also be referred to as 110 volt and 220 volt).  110 voltage can be used interchangeable with 120 volts, and 220 voltage is interchangeable with 240 volts. 

https://www.thebuildinginspector.net/blog/electric-service-capacity/

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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Southern California Edison plans for 38,000 EV charging stations, in largest Investor Owned Utility effort of its kind

• Southern California Edison (SCE) on Monday kicked off plans to install 38,000 new electric car chargers throughout its service area over the next five years, the largest initiative of its kind by any investor-owned utility, according to a company spokesperson.
• The utility said the $436 million program, financed by ratepayers, will include an "added emphasis" on installing EV chargers in multifamily apartment and condo buildings. This focus is needed given half of the population of Los Angeles lives in multifamily housing, according to Darrell Clarke, the Sierra Club Angeles Chapter's conservation chair.
• SCE's plans to ramp up the rollout of EV car chargers comes on the heels of a report that California will need 1.2 million EV chargers by 2030.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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15 hours ago, notsonice said:

Dead cat bounce will only last for a few years at most. Just like the horse population which had a dead cat bounce  from 1915 to 1920 . US coal is in a long term decline and will never recover to its past peaks. 2030 coal in the US ? my bet is 400 Million tons max. If you are so hot on coal there are many coal mines in the US looking for buyers/investors to take them out of bankruptcy. Hope you have a boat load of cash to lose.

24 Feb, 2021 SP global

Large swath of US coal deliveries going to plants closing capacity by 2030

A substantial amount of the coal U.S. companies produced in the first three quarters of 2020 went to plants that are retiring coal capacity before the end of 2030.

Losing steady customers is challenging for any business, but the U.S. coal sector faces the additional challenge of not seeing any new domestic customers coming online anytime soon as export options remain limited.

 

While individual company exposure varies, 31.4% of U.S. coal deliveries in the first three quarters of 2020 went to power plants that were retiring some or all of their current coal capacity by 2030, according to an S&P Global Market Intelligence analysis.

 

U.S. Equine Population During
Mechanization of Agriculture
and Transportation
Year Number of Horses and Mules
1900 21,531,635
1905 22,077,000
1910 24,042,882
1915 26,493,000
1920 25,199,552
1925 22,081,520
1930 18,885,856
1935 16,676,000
1940 13,931,531
1945 11,629,000
1950 7,604,000
1955 4,309,000
1960 3,089,000

 

 

Ecocharger doesn't need no stinkin' power plants to burn his coal. He is betting on the coal fired pizza industry to drive US coal demand.  I prefer wood fired deep dish.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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Germany, Europe’s largest auto market, saw plugin electric vehicles take 23.6% share in June 2021, up almost 3x from 8.6% share in June 2020. 

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22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Growing at a prodigious rate, 131% year-over-year. PEV will be 50% of the market in two years.

Only if ICE sales are disallowed by law. Actually, they need a huge increase in electric supply...don't see anything like 50% in the next twenty years.

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22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are still confused. Almost the entire current EV market does over night charging and most homes have 220/240.

Condo/apartment solutions are coming online. Building owners are excited because they get to sell you the electricity if they pay for installing the equipment. Otherwise the utilities are going to pay for it and sell the electricity. Over the next couple decades most apartments will have them. 

Almost all houses have both 120 volt service and 240 volt service (these can also be referred to as 110 volt and 220 volt).  110 voltage can be used interchangeable with 120 volts, and 220 voltage is interchangeable with 240 volts. 

https://www.thebuildinginspector.net/blog/electric-service-capacity/

Read the quote above, you need DC to make it work.

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21 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Southern California Edison plans for 38,000 EV charging stations, in largest Investor Owned Utility effort of its kind

• Southern California Edison (SCE) on Monday kicked off plans to install 38,000 new electric car chargers throughout its service area over the next five years, the largest initiative of its kind by any investor-owned utility, according to a company spokesperson.
• The utility said the $436 million program, financed by ratepayers, will include an "added emphasis" on installing EV chargers in multifamily apartment and condo buildings. This focus is needed given half of the population of Los Angeles lives in multifamily housing, according to Darrell Clarke, the Sierra Club Angeles Chapter's conservation chair.
• SCE's plans to ramp up the rollout of EV car chargers comes on the heels of a report that California will need 1.2 million EV chargers by 2030.

Tesla claims to need to double electricity SUPPLY in America, not just plug-ins....what you say to that?

Edited July 22, 2021 by Ecocharger

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Read the quote above, you need DC to make it work.

Setting a whole new standard for saying dumb things. What do you think all the people who charge their EVs at home right now are using?

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20 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Ecocharger doesn't need no stinkin' power plants to burn his coal. He is betting on the coal fired pizza industry to drive US coal demand.  I prefer wood fired deep dish.

Comparing coal with horses is a myopic terminal dead end. Nonsense.

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Tesla claims to need to double electricity SUPPLY in America, not just plug-ins....what you say to that?

I think it will only be 50% more but if he is right then we will double our electricity supply with inexpensive renewables.

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4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Comparing coal with horses is a myopic terminal dead end. Nonsense.

I didn't say anything about horses. Are you having brain farts again?

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I think it will only be 50% more but if he is right then we will double our electricity supply with inexpensive renewables.

You would need double the land...ain't going to happen in anyone's lifetime.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I didn't say anything about horses. Are you having brain farts again?

You quoted about horses, read again....myopic dead-end nonsense.

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Ecocharger

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

You would need double the land...ain't going to happen in anyone's lifetime.

No, double the water, off shore wind.