TailingsPond + 874 GE March 26 (edited) Heart attacks and sick children, the list of evidence is very long. But you do not need journals to see it or feel it for yourself. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28303426/ "In particular, the acute exposure to PM10 and PM2.5 increases the rate of cardiovascular deaths. Thus, appropriate interventions to reduce air pollution may promote great benefits to public health by reducing the risk of cardiovascular diseases." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34566522/ "Increased pediatric asthma ED visits were found for LUR coarse PM and NO2 estimates, which were primarily contributed by motor vehicles." Edited March 26 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: "The investment community’s belief that EVs will displace the internal combustion engine remains as strong as ever. From your post. Thanks. Follow the investments / money - it leads to EV's. Edited March 26 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,540 March 26 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Complete nonsense, EVs are less energy efficient and increase CO2 levels. Your analysis (?) is working with outmoded ideas. If that's the case, why is it MUCH cheaper (per mile or Km) to "refill" an EV at home rather than an ICE at a fueling station? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 March 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, turbguy said: If that's the case, why is it MUCH cheaper (per mile or Km) to "refill" an EV at home rather than an ICE at a fueling station? That no longer is of interest, EV'S have been deemed unmarkertable. Aside from Tesla servicing the luxury market all of the legacy mfgs have curtailed manufacturing. As we type decisions are being made who handles the heat and what head's get rolled. Time for new model's so to speak. Here's how General Motors' CEO Mary Barra justifies her $29 million salary https://www.businessinsider.com/general-motors-ceo-mary-barra-salary-auto-workers-strike-uaw-2023-9 Edited March 27 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 41 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: That no longer is of interest, EV'S have been deemed unmarkertable. You think the cost of a fill up is no longer of interest? Tell that to the ICE owners when gas prices change. Do you read your posts before clicking "submit reply?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 March 27 (edited) 57 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: You think the cost of a fill up is no longer of interest? Tell that to the ICE owners when gas prices change. Do you read your posts before clicking "submit reply? Perhaps more palatable... General Motors Co. is racing to fix problems in its electric vehicle business to make good on promises Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra made five years ago. It still has a long way to go. Buyers just aren’t lining up for these vehicles,” Fiorani said. “If GM could make as many as they want, they might just end up competing on price with themselves.” https://www.govtech.com/transportation/struggling-electric-battery-factor-snags-gms-ev-plans Edited March 27 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Perhaps more palatable... That had nothing to do with a cost of a "fill up." Try again. Once again, do you read what you post? “We’ve had some challenges scaling it,” Chief Financial Officer Paul Jacobson said of the Ultium problems in a recent speech at an industry conference in Washington. “I think most of those are behind us.” "Anderson said he thinks the company has “turned the corner” at Factory Zero and will continue to ramp up production en route to hitting GM’s latest production targets." "GM is hedging its bets on EVs with a simultaneous reintroduction of plug-in hybrids in North America, a business that it left five years when it discontinued the Chevy Volt." Edited March 27 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 March 27 (edited) 33 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Try again. Ya Don't Say.. Wind Power Giants Find Little Shelter From Sector Troubles FRANKFURT/COPENHAGEN (Reuters) -The world's three biggest wind power groups - Siemens Energy, Orsted and Vestas - on Wednesday gave a sober view of the year ahead for an industry buffeted by project delays, equipment problems and inflation. Siemens Energy, the world's largest maker of offshore wind turbines, expects a 2024 loss before special items of around 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) at Siemens Gamesa. The wind division has had to deal with the cost of addressing quality problems affecting some onshore models. Vestas, the world's top maker of wind turbines, swung to a fourth-quarter profit, but said it would not pay a dividend for 2023, and its CEO Henrik Andersen said challenges would continue to weigh on the sector this year. https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2024-02-07/wind-power-giants-give-bleak-view-of-2024-as-challenges-persist Edited March 27 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say.. No, I don't say. Do not try to put words in my mouth. Can you show that nobody cares about gasoline prices? Remember when you said that? Edited March 27 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 March 27 2 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: No, I don't say. Do not try to put words in my mouth. Well perhaps your having issue's of some sort, staying away from issues you do not grasp come to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Well perhaps your having issue's of some sort, staying away from issues you do not grasp come to mind. Show me where nobody cares about gasoline prices. Do not post a meme or other link. Use your brain and fingers to defend that statement yourself. Edited March 27 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: That no longer is of interest Back that up man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 While eyes closed searches for a meme let's ask AI (ChatGPT3.5) for some answers about fossil fuels. Do fossil fuel CO2 emissions cause anthropogenic climate change? ChatGPT Yes, fossil fuel CO2 emissions are a significant contributor to anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change. When fossil fuels such as coal, oil, and natural gas are burned for energy, they release carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. These greenhouse gases trap heat from the sun, leading to the warming of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, a phenomenon known as the greenhouse effect. The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentrations due to fossil fuel combustion has led to an enhanced greenhouse effect, resulting in global warming and changes in climate patterns. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and numerous scientific studies have provided extensive evidence that human activities, including the burning of fossil fuels, deforestation, and industrial processes, are the primary drivers of recent climate change. The impacts of anthropogenic climate change are wide-ranging and include: Rising temperatures: Global temperatures have increased significantly since the Industrial Revolution, leading to heatwaves, changes in weather patterns, and shifts in ecosystems. Melting ice caps and rising sea levels: The warming climate has accelerated the melting of polar ice caps and glaciers, contributing to rising sea levels. This poses risks to coastal communities, infrastructure, and ecosystems. Extreme weather events: Anthropogenic climate change has been linked to an increase in the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events such as hurricanes, droughts, floods, and wildfires. Disruption of ecosystems and biodiversity loss: Climate change is affecting ecosystems and biodiversity by altering habitats, disrupting migration patterns, and increasing the risk of species extinction. Socioeconomic impacts: Climate change can have significant socioeconomic consequences, including impacts on agriculture, food security, water resources, human health, and livelihoods. Addressing fossil fuel CO2 emissions and mitigating climate change requires concerted efforts to transition to renewable energy sources, improve energy efficiency, reduce deforestation, and implement policies to limit greenhouse gas emissions. It is crucial to take urgent and decisive action to mitigate the impacts of climate change and build a more sustainable future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 Is internal combustion exhaust bad for human health? ChatGPT Yes, internal combustion engine exhaust, which is primarily composed of pollutants such as carbon monoxide (CO), nitrogen oxides (NOx), particulate matter (PM), volatile organic compounds (VOCs), and various other harmful gases, can have negative effects on human health. These pollutants are emitted from vehicles, power plants, industrial facilities, and other sources that rely on internal combustion engines for energy generation or propulsion. Exposure to internal combustion engine exhaust can contribute to various health problems, including: Respiratory Issues: Pollutants such as nitrogen oxides (NOx) and particulate matter (PM) can irritate the respiratory system and exacerbate conditions such as asthma, bronchitis, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Fine particulate matter (PM2.5) can penetrate deep into the lungs and even enter the bloodstream, causing inflammation and increasing the risk of respiratory infections and cardiovascular diseases. Cardiovascular Diseases: Exposure to pollutants from internal combustion engine exhaust, particularly fine particulate matter (PM2.5) and nitrogen oxides (NOx), is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks, strokes, and hypertension. These pollutants can promote inflammation, oxidative stress, and the formation of arterial plaques, leading to cardiovascular complications. Cancer: Some components of internal combustion engine exhaust, such as benzene and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), are classified as carcinogenic to humans by organizations such as the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). Long-term exposure to these carcinogens is associated with an increased risk of lung cancer and other types of cancer. Neurological Effects: Exposure to certain pollutants from internal combustion engine exhaust, such as carbon monoxide (CO) and lead (which may be present in older vehicles' exhaust), can have neurotoxic effects and impair cognitive function, especially in children and fetuses. Environmental Impact: In addition to its direct effects on human health, internal combustion engine exhaust contributes to air pollution and environmental degradation, leading to ecosystem damage, biodiversity loss, and climate change. Overall, reducing emissions from internal combustion engines through the adoption of cleaner technologies, such as electric vehicles, and implementing policies to improve air quality can help mitigate the negative health impacts associated with exhaust emissions. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 Are electric vehicles better for the environment than internal combustion engine cars? ChatGPT Electric vehicles (EVs) generally have lower greenhouse gas emissions and contribute less to air pollution compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, making them better for the environment in many respects. However, the environmental benefits of EVs depend on various factors, including the source of electricity used for charging, the manufacturing process, and the lifecycle emissions associated with battery production. Here are some reasons why electric vehicles are often considered better for the environment: Reduced Greenhouse Gas Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, meaning they do not emit pollutants like carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrogen oxides (NOx), and particulate matter (PM) during operation. This can significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, particularly in regions where electricity generation comes from low-carbon or renewable sources such as wind, solar, and hydroelectric power. Energy Efficiency: Electric motors are more energy-efficient than internal combustion engines, converting a higher percentage of energy from the battery into mechanical power to drive the vehicle. This efficiency helps reduce overall energy consumption and can lower greenhouse gas emissions associated with vehicle operation. Potential for Renewable Energy Integration: EVs offer the potential for integration with renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power. By charging EVs with renewable electricity, their environmental footprint can be further reduced, leading to even lower emissions compared to ICE vehicles. Reduced Air Pollution: Since EVs do not have tailpipe emissions, they can help improve local air quality by reducing pollution in urban areas, where air pollution from traffic congestion is a significant concern. However, it's essential to consider the environmental impacts of EVs holistically, including factors such as battery production and end-of-life disposal. Battery manufacturing involves the extraction and processing of raw materials, which can have environmental consequences, including habitat destruction, water pollution, and carbon emissions. Additionally, the disposal and recycling of EV batteries present challenges in terms of managing hazardous materials and minimizing environmental impacts. Overall, while electric vehicles offer significant environmental benefits compared to internal combustion engine cars, continued efforts to reduce lifecycle emissions, improve battery technology, and transition to renewable energy sources are essential for maximizing their environmental potential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 Does the price of gasoline effect driving habits? ChatGPT Yes, the price of gasoline can significantly affect driving habits and transportation choices. When gasoline prices are high, many people tend to adjust their driving behavior in several ways: Reduced Driving: Higher gasoline prices often lead to a decrease in overall vehicle miles traveled as people may choose to drive less frequently or combine trips to reduce fuel consumption. Fuel-efficient Driving: Drivers may adopt more fuel-efficient driving habits, such as maintaining steady speeds, avoiding rapid acceleration and braking, and reducing idling time, to maximize fuel efficiency and minimize fuel costs. Mode Shift: Higher gasoline prices may incentivize people to use alternative modes of transportation, such as public transit, biking, walking, carpooling, or ridesharing, which can be more cost-effective than driving alone. Vehicle Choice: Consumers may consider purchasing more fuel-efficient vehicles, including hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles (EVs), or vehicles with higher fuel economy ratings, to reduce fuel expenses over the long term. Route Planning: Drivers may choose more fuel-efficient routes or use navigation apps to avoid traffic congestion and reduce fuel consumption during their trips. Conversely, when gasoline prices are low, people may be less inclined to modify their driving habits, and there may be an increase in vehicle miles traveled, less emphasis on fuel efficiency, and a preference for larger or less fuel-efficient vehicles. Overall, the price of gasoline plays a significant role in shaping driving behavior and transportation choices, influencing decisions related to vehicle use, travel patterns, and vehicle purchases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 How much does it cost for an electric vehicle to travel 100miles? In comparison how much does it cost for a similar internal combustion engine to drive the same distance. In the USA. ChatGPT To calculate the cost of driving 100 miles for an electric vehicle (EV) and an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle, we need to consider the cost of electricity and gasoline, as well as the efficiency of each vehicle. Electric Vehicle (EV): Cost of Electricity: The average cost of electricity in the United States is approximately $0.13 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). Efficiency of EV: The efficiency of an EV is typically measured in miles per kWh. Let's assume an efficiency of 4 miles per kWh for our calculation. Calculation: Cost = (Distance / Efficiency) * Cost of Electricity Cost = (100 miles / 4 miles/kWh) * $0.13/kWh Cost ≈ 25 kWh * $0.13/kWh Cost ≈ $3.25 Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) Vehicle: Cost of Gasoline: The average price of gasoline in the United States varies but is approximately $3.50 per gallon. Fuel Efficiency of ICE Vehicle: The fuel efficiency of ICE vehicles varies depending on factors such as vehicle type, engine size, and driving conditions. Let's assume an average fuel efficiency of 25 miles per gallon (mpg) for our calculation. Calculation: Cost = (Distance / Efficiency) * Cost of Gasoline Cost = (100 miles / 25 mpg) * $3.50/gallon Cost ≈ 4 gallons * $3.50/gallon Cost ≈ $14.00 Therefore, based on these assumptions and average costs in the United States, it would cost approximately $3.25 to travel 100 miles in an electric vehicle, compared to approximately $14.00 to travel the same distance in a similar internal combustion engine vehicle. Keep in mind that actual costs may vary based on factors such as electricity and gasoline prices, vehicle efficiency, driving habits, and local conditions. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) Look at that! $14 to go 100 miles in a ICE car versus $3.25 for a EV! AI is not biased. Edited March 27 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM March 27 2 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: eyes open clunkers are doomed same as coal........the pollution of the Public Space is not OK.....this battle against pollution started in the 1960's and the battle rages on to this day. Anyone thinking that no one cares about good clean healthy living is a Luddite. CLUNKERS ARE DOOMED 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 March 27 (edited) 48 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Show me where nobody cares about gasoline prices. Do not post a meme or other link. Use your brain and fingers to defend that statement yourself. 48 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Back that up man! 33 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: While eyes closed searches for a meme let's ask AI (ChatGPT3.5) for some answers about fossil fuels. Do fossil fuel CO2 emissions cause anthropogenic climate change? ChatGPT Yes, fossil fuel CO2 emissions are a significant contributor to anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change. When fossil fuels such as coal, oil, and natural gas are burned for energy, they release carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. These greenhouse gases trap heat from the sun, leading to the warming of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, a phenomenon known as the greenhouse effect. The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentrations due to fossil fuel combustion has led to an enhanced greenhouse effect, resulting in global warming and changes in climate patterns. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and numerous scientific studies have provided extensive evidence that human activities, including the burning of fossil fuels, deforestation, and industrial processes, are the primary drivers of recent climate change. The impacts of anthropogenic climate change are wide-ranging and include: Rising temperatures: Global temperatures have increased significantly since the Industrial Revolution, leading to heatwaves, changes in weather patterns, and shifts in ecosystems. Melting ice caps and rising sea levels: The warming climate has accelerated the melting of polar ice caps and glaciers, contributing to rising sea levels. This poses risks to coastal communities, infrastructure, and ecosystems. Extreme weather events: Anthropogenic climate change has been linked to an increase in the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events such as hurricanes, droughts, floods, and wildfires. Disruption of ecosystems and biodiversity loss: Climate change is affecting ecosystems and biodiversity by altering habitats, disrupting migration patterns, and increasing the risk of species extinction. Socioeconomic impacts: Climate change can have significant socioeconomic consequences, including impacts on agriculture, food security, water resources, human health, and livelihoods. Addressing fossil fuel CO2 emissions and mitigating climate change requires concerted efforts to transition to renewable energy sources, improve energy efficiency, reduce deforestation, and implement policies to limit greenhouse gas emissions. It is crucial to take urgent and decisive action to mitigate the impacts of climate change and build a more sustainable future. 32 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Is internal combustion exhaust bad for human health? ChatGPT Yes, internal combustion engine exhaust, which is primarily composed of pollutants such as carbon monoxide (CO), nitrogen oxides (NOx), particulate matter (PM), volatile organic compounds (VOCs), and various other harmful gases, can have negative effects on human health. These pollutants are emitted from vehicles, power plants, industrial facilities, and other sources that rely on internal combustion engines for energy generation or propulsion. Exposure to internal combustion engine exhaust can contribute to various health problems, including: Respiratory Issues: Pollutants such as nitrogen oxides (NOx) and particulate matter (PM) can irritate the respiratory system and exacerbate conditions such as asthma, bronchitis, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Fine particulate matter (PM2.5) can penetrate deep into the lungs and even enter the bloodstream, causing inflammation and increasing the risk of respiratory infections and cardiovascular diseases. Cardiovascular Diseases: Exposure to pollutants from internal combustion engine exhaust, particularly fine particulate matter (PM2.5) and nitrogen oxides (NOx), is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks, strokes, and hypertension. These pollutants can promote inflammation, oxidative stress, and the formation of arterial plaques, leading to cardiovascular complications. Cancer: Some components of internal combustion engine exhaust, such as benzene and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), are classified as carcinogenic to humans by organizations such as the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). Long-term exposure to these carcinogens is associated with an increased risk of lung cancer and other types of cancer. Neurological Effects: Exposure to certain pollutants from internal combustion engine exhaust, such as carbon monoxide (CO) and lead (which may be present in older vehicles' exhaust), can have neurotoxic effects and impair cognitive function, especially in children and fetuses. Environmental Impact: In addition to its direct effects on human health, internal combustion engine exhaust contributes to air pollution and environmental degradation, leading to ecosystem damage, biodiversity loss, and climate change. Overall, reducing emissions from internal combustion engines through the adoption of cleaner technologies, such as electric vehicles, and implementing policies to improve air quality can help mitigate the negative health impacts associated with exhaust emissions. 30 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Are electric vehicles better for the environment than internal combustion engine cars? ChatGPT Electric vehicles (EVs) generally have lower greenhouse gas emissions and contribute less to air pollution compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, making them better for the environment in many respects. However, the environmental benefits of EVs depend on various factors, including the source of electricity used for charging, the manufacturing process, and the lifecycle emissions associated with battery production. Here are some reasons why electric vehicles are often considered better for the environment: Reduced Greenhouse Gas Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, meaning they do not emit pollutants like carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrogen oxides (NOx), and particulate matter (PM) during operation. This can significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, particularly in regions where electricity generation comes from low-carbon or renewable sources such as wind, solar, and hydroelectric power. Energy Efficiency: Electric motors are more energy-efficient than internal combustion engines, converting a higher percentage of energy from the battery into mechanical power to drive the vehicle. This efficiency helps reduce overall energy consumption and can lower greenhouse gas emissions associated with vehicle operation. Potential for Renewable Energy Integration: EVs offer the potential for integration with renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power. By charging EVs with renewable electricity, their environmental footprint can be further reduced, leading to even lower emissions compared to ICE vehicles. Reduced Air Pollution: Since EVs do not have tailpipe emissions, they can help improve local air quality by reducing pollution in urban areas, where air pollution from traffic congestion is a significant concern. However, it's essential to consider the environmental impacts of EVs holistically, including factors such as battery production and end-of-life disposal. Battery manufacturing involves the extraction and processing of raw materials, which can have environmental consequences, including habitat destruction, water pollution, and carbon emissions. Additionally, the disposal and recycling of EV batteries present challenges in terms of managing hazardous materials and minimizing environmental impacts. Overall, while electric vehicles offer significant environmental benefits compared to internal combustion engine cars, continued efforts to reduce lifecycle emissions, improve battery technology, and transition to renewable energy sources are essential for maximizing their environmental potential. 26 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Does the price of gasoline effect driving habits? ChatGPT Yes, the price of gasoline can significantly affect driving habits and transportation choices. When gasoline prices are high, many people tend to adjust their driving behavior in several ways: Reduced Driving: Higher gasoline prices often lead to a decrease in overall vehicle miles traveled as people may choose to drive less frequently or combine trips to reduce fuel consumption. Fuel-efficient Driving: Drivers may adopt more fuel-efficient driving habits, such as maintaining steady speeds, avoiding rapid acceleration and braking, and reducing idling time, to maximize fuel efficiency and minimize fuel costs. Mode Shift: Higher gasoline prices may incentivize people to use alternative modes of transportation, such as public transit, biking, walking, carpooling, or ridesharing, which can be more cost-effective than driving alone. Vehicle Choice: Consumers may consider purchasing more fuel-efficient vehicles, including hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles (EVs), or vehicles with higher fuel economy ratings, to reduce fuel expenses over the long term. Route Planning: Drivers may choose more fuel-efficient routes or use navigation apps to avoid traffic congestion and reduce fuel consumption during their trips. Conversely, when gasoline prices are low, people may be less inclined to modify their driving habits, and there may be an increase in vehicle miles traveled, less emphasis on fuel efficiency, and a preference for larger or less fuel-efficient vehicles. Overall, the price of gasoline plays a significant role in shaping driving behavior and transportation choices, influencing decisions related to vehicle use, travel patterns, and vehicle purchases. 22 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: How much does it cost for an electric vehicle to travel 100miles? In comparison how much does it cost for a similar internal combustion engine to drive the same distance. In the USA. ChatGPT To calculate the cost of driving 100 miles for an electric vehicle (EV) and an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle, we need to consider the cost of electricity and gasoline, as well as the efficiency of each vehicle. Electric Vehicle (EV): Cost of Electricity: The average cost of electricity in the United States is approximately $0.13 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). Efficiency of EV: The efficiency of an EV is typically measured in miles per kWh. Let's assume an efficiency of 4 miles per kWh for our calculation. Calculation: Cost = (Distance / Efficiency) * Cost of Electricity Cost = (100 miles / 4 miles/kWh) * $0.13/kWh Cost ≈ 25 kWh * $0.13/kWh Cost ≈ $3.25 Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) Vehicle: Cost of Gasoline: The average price of gasoline in the United States varies but is approximately $3.50 per gallon. Fuel Efficiency of ICE Vehicle: The fuel efficiency of ICE vehicles varies depending on factors such as vehicle type, engine size, and driving conditions. Let's assume an average fuel efficiency of 25 miles per gallon (mpg) for our calculation. Calculation: Cost = (Distance / Efficiency) * Cost of Gasoline Cost = (100 miles / 25 mpg) * $3.50/gallon Cost ≈ 4 gallons * $3.50/gallon Cost ≈ $14.00 Therefore, based on these assumptions and average costs in the United States, it would cost approximately $3.25 to travel 100 miles in an electric vehicle, compared to approximately $14.00 to travel the same distance in a similar internal combustion engine vehicle. Keep in mind that actual costs may vary based on factors such as electricity and gasoline prices, vehicle efficiency, driving habits, and local conditions. 21 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Look at that! $14 to go 100 miles in a ICE car versus $3.25 for a EV! AI is not biased. 10 minutes ago, notsonice said: clunkers are doomed same as coal........the pollution of the Public Space is not OK.....this battle against pollution started in the 1960's and the battle rages on to this day. Anyone thinking that no one cares about good clean healthy living is a Luddite. CLUNKERS ARE DOOMED I would suggest you experience a intervention.. Edited March 27 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM March 27 Just now, Eyes Wide Open said: you having breathing problems???? dump your clunker 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I would suggest you experience a intervention.. As expected you used a meme / GIF. Zero original thought. A sheep. Justify your statement... or capitulate. Edited March 27 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE March 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: [refuelling cost] no longer is of interest You did say. Edited March 27 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,460 DL March 27 8 hours ago, TailingsPond said: I'm not talking CO2. Just look at the smog, you don't need a mathematical model to see it. Do not deny that fossil fuel pollution exists. How much is a pretty skyline worth? Hint, a lot. The loss of beauty is an externality placed on others. What city have you got there, when was that picture taken? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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