notsonice + 1,255 DM April 11 11 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Yes down from 78% in 2020! and dropping fast! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 11 14 hours ago, Rob Plant said: No, no it isnt! Read, old boy. "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 11 (edited) 15 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Yes down from 78% in 2020! and dropping fast! Read. "The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that coal-fired power generation grew by 1.5% (158TWh) in 2023, with coal use in the power sector increasing by 1.4% (81 million tonnes). China is the keystone of the global coal market. The Asian nation made up 54% of global consumption in 2022, with the main driver being thermal coal for power generation. The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Furthermore, there is nothing "green" about SF6, which is increasing exponentially in China due to the increased electrical power generation. "Our rapidly electrifying world has caused a marked increase in atmospheric concentration of SF6 this century. And a new international study shows that China is behind the bulk of these emissions in the last decade." "SF6 emissions from China nearly doubled from 2.6 gigagrams (Gg) per year in 2011 - when they accounted for 34% of global emissions - to 5.1 Gg per year in 2021, when they amounted to 57 per cent." This rapid rise in Chinese emissions of SF6 is now into a quantum leap to much higher levels, in tandem with the expansion of electrical energy. Edited April 11 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 11 (edited) Oil demand is hot and getting hotter...oil is resilient, irreplaceable, indispensable, and in great demand. The markets are the final judge about the importance of this energy source. Question for the wise: if demand for oil is hot and supplies are limited, what will happen to price? That's right, there is only one answer. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Fund-Withdrawals-Suggest-Extended-Price-Rally.html {The WisdomTree exchange-traded commodity fund became the world's largest oil fund at the beginning of last year. The fund has seen significant outflows during the last couple of days. A growing number of forecasters are updating their predictions for benchmarks this year on expectations of resilient demand and increasingly tighter supply." Edited April 11 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE April 12 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: a quantum leap A quantum leap is a very small change. Stop using words you do not understand - it makes you look silly. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 12 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read, old boy. "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." good luck with your coal coal coal is increasing mentality 2024 ..............05 USD/wp is in the cards I do not know of any Coal powered plants that will be able to beat the price of solar/battery power being put onto the grid these days. Coal is doomed Money talks Bullshit walks ...enjoy your hike out of your unprofitable coal pit.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 12 Australian Broadcasting Corporation Booming renewable energy generation halves wholesale power prices across national grid Rapid growth in renewable generation slashed the wholesale cost of power in the national energy grid late last year, and dramatically... . Jan 24, 2024 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 12 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read. "The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that coal-fired power generation grew by 1.5% (158TWh) in 2023, with coal use in the power sector increasing by 1.4% (81 million tonnes). China is the keystone of the global coal market. The Asian nation made up 54% of global consumption in 2022, with the main driver being thermal coal for power generation. The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Furthermore, there is nothing "green" about SF6, which is increasing exponentially in China due to the increased electrical power generation. "Our rapidly electrifying world has caused a marked increase in atmospheric concentration of SF6 this century. And a new international study shows that China is behind the bulk of these emissions in the last decade." "SF6 emissions from China nearly doubled from 2.6 gigagrams (Gg) per year in 2011 - when they accounted for 34% of global emissions - to 5.1 Gg per year in 2021, when they amounted to 57 per cent." This rapid rise in Chinese emissions of SF6 is now into a quantum leap to much higher levels, in tandem with the expansion of electrical energy. Ahh The IEA and "estimates" Great info lol 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 12 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read. "The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that coal-fired power generation grew by 1.5% (158TWh) in 2023, with coal use in the power sector increasing by 1.4% (81 million tonnes). China is the keystone of the global coal market. The Asian nation made up 54% of global consumption in 2022, with the main driver being thermal coal for power generation. The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Furthermore, there is nothing "green" about SF6, which is increasing exponentially in China due to the increased electrical power generation. "Our rapidly electrifying world has caused a marked increase in atmospheric concentration of SF6 this century. And a new international study shows that China is behind the bulk of these emissions in the last decade." "SF6 emissions from China nearly doubled from 2.6 gigagrams (Gg) per year in 2011 - when they accounted for 34% of global emissions - to 5.1 Gg per year in 2021, when they amounted to 57 per cent." This rapid rise in Chinese emissions of SF6 is now into a quantum leap to much higher levels, in tandem with the expansion of electrical energy. Why do you think this is being built?? China’s MASSIVE Desert Project Is About To Change The World China’s MASSIVE Desert Project Is About To Change The World - Undecided with Matt Ferrell (undecidedmf.com) Is it because its uneconomic?? clearly not! Is it because its clean energy??? Yes Do they have to pay other countries like Russia for their energy??? NO Does it help give China energy security??? Yes If you think coal is the future in China then please raid your piggy bank and invest all you have in it, put your money where your mouth is! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 April 12 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rob Plant said: If you think coal is the future in China then please raid your piggy bank and invest all you have in it, put your money where your mouth is! I do find that interesting commentary, it would appear that the German Green Party had done as much. Imagine dumping cash into a failed manufacturing facility...wind mails at that. I Leave It With You... Taxes blown in the wind? The Siemens Gamesa bailout Conclusion and Implications Overall, we come to a sobering conclusion: Siemens Gamesa should not have been bailed out, and certainly not on the specific terms of this rescue. Siemens Gamesa likely is not an economically viable firm. Even if it were, it is not a critical firm in the sense that a bankruptcy process would trigger significant negative macroeconomic or geostrategic externalities. And even if a bailout were justified (which it is not), it should not occur without a major contribution from Siemens and the other shareholders of Siemens Energy. The readiness with which the German government was willing to bail out Siemens Gamesa does not bode well for a possible future scenario in which one of Germany’s leading automobile manufacturers experiences a significant downturn or even financial difficulties because its electric vehicles are of lower quality or more expensive than those of its American or Chinese competitors. The subsidies in the Siemens Gamesa case are small change compared to what might be necessary to save the German automotive industry. ----------------------- https://www.ecgi.global/publications/blog/taxes-blown-in-the-wind-the-siemens-gamesa-bailout Edited April 12 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Ahh The IEA and "estimates" Great info lol Rob, those are not the wild estimates of the future. These are estimates of actual data for the preceding production year, like any report of production. You seem to get rattled and confused over this data. "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Edited April 12 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 12 (edited) 13 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Why do you think this is being built?? China’s MASSIVE Desert Project Is About To Change The World China’s MASSIVE Desert Project Is About To Change The World - Undecided with Matt Ferrell (undecidedmf.com) Is it because its uneconomic?? clearly not! Is it because its clean energy??? Yes Do they have to pay other countries like Russia for their energy??? NO Does it help give China energy security??? Yes If you think coal is the future in China then please raid your piggy bank and invest all you have in it, put your money where your mouth is! Again, the numbers have you grasping at straws. Sure, renewable energy will grow in China, but coal generated energy is continuing to grow beyond record amounts in China also, which has the consequences regarding both increased CO2 related to the increase in EV production, and the rapid increase in SF6 to a quantum level beyond the current atmospheric levels. The attempted move to EVs is creating a back-pedaling from any stated "climate goals", so the current governments attempting this transition are simply shooting themselves in the foot. "SF6 emissions from China nearly doubled from 2.6 gigagrams (Gg) per year in 2011 - when they accounted for 34% of global emissions - to 5.1 Gg per year in 2021, when they amounted to 57 per cent." Edited April 12 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 12 20 hours ago, TailingsPond said: A quantum leap is a very small change. Stop using words you do not understand - it makes you look silly. I guess you need a refresher course on the meaning of common terms. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quantum leap#:~:text=%3A an abrupt change%2C sudden increase,discrete energy state to another. "quantum leap noun pluralquantum leaps Synonyms of quantum leap : an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance NOTE: Quantum leap is rarely used in scientific contexts, but it originated as a synonym of quantum jump, which describes an abrupt transition (as of an electron, an atom, or a molecule) from one discrete energy state to another." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ April 12 I was listening on the radio to a report of a statistical analysis in the United States of those people that believe climate change is being caused by human activity and those that don't believe in climate change or not it is not caused by human activity. The the climate change deniers were found to be not college educated, Republican, don't believe in science, and believe the COVID conspiracies. A greater percentage of the deniers lived in the midwest and south. LOL in other-words dumbasses. Actually non of it was a surprise. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 12 EVs are stalling and going quietly into decline. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/global-ev-sales-expected-to-only-increase-by-21-in-2024-as-ev-market-cools-but-chargers-and-range-arent-to-blame-302112559.html "Sales problems in the U.S. can be attributed to an unsustainable reliance on Tesla, which is faltering as the supply of early adopters dwindles..." "The latest forecasts from global technology intelligence firm ABI Research find that global Electric Vehicle (EV) sales are expected to grow by 21% in 2024 and 19% in 2025. This represents a significant decline from growth rates of 31% in 2023 and 60% in 2022." So we have a clear downward trend, 60% - 31% - 21% - 19%...disaster, meltdown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 12 22 minutes ago, bloodman33 said: I was listening on the radio to a report of a statistical analysis in the United States of those people that believe climate change is being caused by human activity and those that don't believe in climate change or not it is not caused by human activity. The the climate change deniers were found to be not college educated, Republican, don't believe in science, and believe the COVID conspiracies. A greater percentage of the deniers lived in the midwest and south. LOL in other-words dumbasses. Actually non of it was a surprise. Eh.....that should be "NONE" of it was a surprise. I guess you could use a little education upgrade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ April 12 Well I might not know how to spell but at least I know climate change is being caused by humans through excessive C02 emissions.. Ie I might be unedacated but I am no dumbass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 April 12 12 minutes ago, bloodman33 said: Well I might not know how to spell but at least I know climate change is being caused by humans through excessive C02 emissions.. Ie I might be unedacated but I am no dumbass. Ya Don't Say... 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE April 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: NOTE: Quantum leap is rarely used in scientific contexts, but it originated as a synonym of quantum jump, which describes an abrupt transition (as of an electron, an atom, or a molecule) from one discrete energy state to another." Yeah those atoms are huge. Quantum: In physics, a quantum is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction. Try again. Edited April 12 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 874 GE April 12 47 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Eh.....that should be "NONE" of it was a surprise. I guess you could use a little education upgrade. It's funny when people make errors while insulting others. An ellipsis is exactly 3 periods and you should not have capitalized none. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 15 Chinese coal expansion proceeds forward at a record pace. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Record-Surge-in-Global-Coal-Capacity-Led-by-China.html "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 15 (edited) On 4/12/2024 at 7:01 PM, TailingsPond said: Yeah those atoms are huge. Quantum: In physics, a quantum is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction. Try again. I guess you have some basic trouble with words. Try again, courtesy of Webster's, "quantum leap noun pluralquantum leaps Synonyms of quantum leap : an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance NOTE: Quantum leap is rarely used in scientific contexts, but it originated as a synonym of quantum jump, which describes an abrupt transition (as of an electron, an atom, or a molecule) from one discrete energy state to another."" Edited April 15 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 61 April 15 On 4/9/2024 at 12:57 AM, Eyes Wide Open said: I know right! Real Energy Transition Costs Could Spell Danger for EU By Irina Slav - Apr 08, 2024, 5:00 PM CDT The EU had set aside some 580 billion euro, or almost $630 billion for its net-zero plan over the period 2021 to 2027. Voters’ disgruntlement with high energy costs and overall inflation is starting to get the attention of politicians. EU leaders are struggling to keep the EU competitive in green energy tech in the face of stiff competition from the U.S. and China. It’s not that the EU is not admitting the transition would be costly. The European Council calls the necessary investment “enormous”. It also says that the EU had set aside some 580 billion euro, or almost $630 billion for its net-zero plan over the period 2021 to 2027. Only it is going to cost a lot more than that—and the EU does not have that kind of money, which is only now coming to light. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Real-Energy-Transition-Costs-Could-Spell-Danger-for-EU.html € 580 bn over a period of 7 years is a miniscule € 171 p.p.p.a. If that would be the cost of net zero, we would not need to worry. That's about what the average European spends on healthcare (through taxes and insurance) every 18 days. I would expect to a spend of at least 1 year of GDP (about € 20 Tn) to really make a dent in reducing emissions. But anyway: Note that the cost of importing oil & gas to the EU is about € 500 bn per year. That's the opportunity the EU deals with. If the invested € 580 bn would reduce oil & gas consumption by only 20%, it would be a ridiculously interesting net positive investment within 6 years. With an expected lifetime of the constructed infrastructure of 25 years it would have a ROI of over 3. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeroen Goudswaard + 61 April 15 On 4/6/2024 at 7:40 PM, Marcin2 said: For city cars EV's are competitive, some of my friends think about buiyng a chep Chinese EV car for shopping, and daily commutes within Warsaw. It is ok, it can be this market. But when I go for vacation, say it Croatia 1800 km, or even Czech Republic for 800 km, electric cars are nobrainer for us. Electric cars are a good second cars in the family. But not the first one's. Also for trucks it is no brainer, you just need to understand current demands of European supply chains. Diesel truck makes 800 km (500 miles) a day and does not need to thin k about recharging. I work in transport/logistic industry and electrci vehicles just do not fit yet - when they will have 800-900 km mileage on batteries it would change, but now it is a toy for very rich and not effcient companies. I don't own an electric car, and don't know exactly how it works in practice. But during my last couple of holidays in the Alps and beyond, there were quite some Dutch electric cars around. we're talking distances between 1000-1500 km from the nearest Dutch border. It can't be impossible. Maybe Middle/Eastern Europe does not have the charging network yet. But apparently for quite some people, an electric car can be a good family first car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,459 DL April 15 Coal is increasingly the fuel of choice in Asia. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Growing-Coal-Dependency-Puts-Central-Asian-Economies-at-Risk.html "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion. The continued reliance on coal exacerbates environmental challenges and strains state budgets in the long term. Despite some efforts towards renewable energy, Central Asian nations are prioritizing coal, undermining their climate commitments and increasing the risk of stranded assets." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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