Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said: € 580 bn over a period of 7 years is a miniscule € 171 p.p.p.a. If that would be the cost of net zero, we would not need to worry. That's about what the average European spends on healthcare (through taxes and insurance) every 18 days. I would expect to a spend of at least 1 year of GDP (about € 20 Tn) to really make a dent in reducing emissions. But anyway: Note that the cost of importing oil & gas to the EU is about € 500 bn per year. That's the opportunity the EU deals with. If the invested € 580 bn would reduce oil & gas consumption by only 20%, it would be a ridiculously interesting net positive investment within 6 years. With an expected lifetime of the constructed infrastructure of 25 years it would have a ROI of over 3. Except for the problem that moving to EVs actually increases the CO2 atmospheric content, which makes that policy extremely foolish and self-defeating. Edited April 15 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 15 Fossil fuels are king. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-CO2-Emissions-Down-17-Since-2005-Despite-2022-Increase.html “In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 15 Coal is toast it is all about cost and coal is more expensive than Solar + Storage enjoy the read it is chock full of real numbers (not the BS babble that the Forum Luddite spouts on a daily basis) LAZARD’S LEVELIZED COST OF ENERGY ANALYSIS 2023 https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april-2023.pdf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 15 (edited) 37 minutes ago, notsonice said: Coal is toast it is all about cost and coal is more expensive than Solar + Storage enjoy the read it is chock full of real numbers (not the BS babble that the Forum Luddite spouts on a daily basis) LAZARD’S LEVELIZED COST OF ENERGY ANALYSIS 2023 https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april-2023.pdf Ridiculous dreams for the gullible. Fossil fuels continue to rule. "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." Edited April 15 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 April 16 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." Here we go again..Triggered 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 16 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Ridiculous dreams for the gullible. Fossil fuels continue to rule. "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." Lets talk powergen in the USA for 2023 shall we? In 2023, about 4,178 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.18 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.1 About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 21% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that an additional 73.62 billion kWh of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2023.2 U.S. utility-scale electricity generation by source, amount, and share of total in 2023 Energy source Billion kWh Share of total Total - all sources 4,178 Fossil fuels (total) 2,505 60.0% Natural gas 1,802 43.1% Coal 675 16.2% Petroleum (total) 16 0.4% Petroleum liquids 12 0.3% Petroleum coke 5 0.1% Other gases3 11 0.3% Nuclear 775 18.6% Renewables (total) 894 21.4% Wind 425 10.2% Hydropower 240 5.7% Solar (total) 165 3.9% Photovoltaic 162 3.9% Solar thermal 3 0.1% Biomass (total) 47 1.1% Wood 31 0.8% Landfill gas 8 0.2% Municipal solid waste (biogenic) 6 0.1% Other biomass waste 2 0.1% Geothermal 16 0.4% Pumped storage hydropower4 -6 -0.1% Other sources5 10 0.2% And then oh my Lord look at the decimation of coal fired powergen The average share of electricity generated from coal in the US has dropped from 52.8% in 1997 to 19.7% in 2022. In 2017, there were 359 coal-powered units at the electrical utilities across the US, with a total nominal capacity of 256 GW (compared to 1024 units at nominal 278 GW in 2000). And last year coal fell again to 16.2% Yep coal is indeed dead in the water! Edited April 16 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 16 15 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Fossil fuels are king. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-CO2-Emissions-Down-17-Since-2005-Despite-2022-Increase.html “In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” COAL IS TOAST remember every time you turn on a light switch today in the US , over 40 percent of the power comes from carbon free sources lots of new Coal fired power plants being built in your neck of the woods in Russia?????? In the good old USA .........last one was built in ??? 2013 When was the last coal-fired power plant built in the US? The last large (greater than 100 MW) coal-fired power plant built in the United States was the 932 MW Sandy Creek Energy Station in Texas, which came online in 2013. As of September 2022, developers have not reported any plans to build new U.S. coal-fired capacity in the future.Nov 7, 2022 and Nat Gas......US is down to adding less than 5 Gas plants a year now (replacing ???, just older gas plants) and Nat Gas Retirements????? now averaging 5 a year Coal is Shit............ Nat Gas .........going nowhere Coal, these days is being replaced by Solar and Wind....100 Percent And new Generating Capacity....You Got it Solar and Wind with battery storage Enjoy the Green Transition, In the US it is the rule.... In your beloved Russia?????? well not much left of your kingdom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 16 (edited) The China Photovoltaic Industry Association expects 190 to 220 gigawatts of additions in 2024, Chairman Wang Bohua said at the group's annual conference in Beijing on Wednesday, likely matching last year's record of 217 gigawatts.Feb 27, 2024 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/china-s-solar-installations-seen-remaining-near-record-in-2024 China Solar Installations Seen Remaining Near Record in 2024 China's wind and solar power generation capacity to ... South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com › business › article › chinas-win... Feb 1, 2024 — The share of wind and solar power will rise to 40 per cent of China's total installed power generation capacity by the end of 2024, ... China's wind, solar capacity forecast to overtake coal in 2024 Reuters https://www.reuters.com › business › energy › chinas-w... Jan 30, 2024 — China will have built around 1,300 gigawatts (GW) of wind and solar capacity by the end of 2024, the CEC expects, meaning it will have already ... China's solar capacity growth in 2023 sets new record S&P Global https://www.spglobal.com › latest-news › energy-transition Feb 8, 2024 — China added a record 301 GW of renewable power generation capacity including solar, wind and hydro in 2023, accounting for around 59% of the ... Edited April 16 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 16 2 hours ago, notsonice said: The China Photovoltaic Industry Association expects 190 to 220 gigawatts of additions in 2024, Chairman Wang Bohua said at the group's annual conference in Beijing on Wednesday, likely matching last year's record of 217 gigawatts.Feb 27, 2024 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/china-s-solar-installations-seen-remaining-near-record-in-2024 China Solar Installations Seen Remaining Near Record in 2024 China's wind and solar power generation capacity to ... South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com › business › article › chinas-win... Feb 1, 2024 — The share of wind and solar power will rise to 40 per cent of China's total installed power generation capacity by the end of 2024, ... China's wind, solar capacity forecast to overtake coal in 2024 Reuters https://www.reuters.com › business › energy › chinas-w... Jan 30, 2024 — China will have built around 1,300 gigawatts (GW) of wind and solar capacity by the end of 2024, the CEC expects, meaning it will have already ... China's solar capacity growth in 2023 sets new record S&P Global https://www.spglobal.com › latest-news › energy-transition Feb 8, 2024 — China added a record 301 GW of renewable power generation capacity including solar, wind and hydro in 2023, accounting for around 59% of the ... China really arent messing around here are they! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Lets talk powergen in the USA for 2023 shall we? In 2023, about 4,178 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.18 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.1 About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 21% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that an additional 73.62 billion kWh of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2023.2 U.S. utility-scale electricity generation by source, amount, and share of total in 2023 Energy source Billion kWh Share of total Total - all sources 4,178 Fossil fuels (total) 2,505 60.0% Natural gas 1,802 43.1% Coal 675 16.2% Petroleum (total) 16 0.4% Petroleum liquids 12 0.3% Petroleum coke 5 0.1% Other gases3 11 0.3% Nuclear 775 18.6% Renewables (total) 894 21.4% Wind 425 10.2% Hydropower 240 5.7% Solar (total) 165 3.9% Photovoltaic 162 3.9% Solar thermal 3 0.1% Biomass (total) 47 1.1% Wood 31 0.8% Landfill gas 8 0.2% Municipal solid waste (biogenic) 6 0.1% Other biomass waste 2 0.1% Geothermal 16 0.4% Pumped storage hydropower4 -6 -0.1% Other sources5 10 0.2% And then oh my Lord look at the decimation of coal fired powergen The average share of electricity generated from coal in the US has dropped from 52.8% in 1997 to 19.7% in 2022. In 2017, there were 359 coal-powered units at the electrical utilities across the US, with a total nominal capacity of 256 GW (compared to 1024 units at nominal 278 GW in 2000). And last year coal fell again to 16.2% Yep coal is indeed dead in the water! Rob, you are again missing the forest for the trees. Fossil fuels continue to rule. Here is what the current report from the EPA states, "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” The bigger picture shows that "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." Edited April 16 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 16 On 4/11/2024 at 11:25 PM, Ecocharger said: "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." Very next post On 4/11/2024 at 11:28 PM, Ecocharger said: "The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that coal-fired power generation grew by 1.5% (158TWh) in 2023, with coal use in the power sector increasing by 1.4% (81 million tonnes). Wow which is it Eco 7% or 1.5% Maybe its actually this as China accounted for 95% of all the coal fired generation increase globally. In China, 47.4GW of coal power capacity came online in 2023, GEM says. This increase accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity, which climbed 2% to 2,130GW Once the mega renewable projects come on stream these coal plants will be stranded assets. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Very next post Wow which is it Eco 7% or 1.5% Maybe its actually this as China accounted for 95% of all the coal fired generation increase globally. In China, 47.4GW of coal power capacity came online in 2023, GEM says. This increase accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity, which climbed 2% to 2,130GW Once the mega renewable projects come on stream these coal plants will be stranded assets. Rob, dust off your eyeglasses. The 7% increase was for China, the 1.5 % increase was for the world. How could you miss that, old boy? Edited April 16 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 Here we go, the shape of things to come. The dreaded "driving bans" to shut down all traffic. The ultimate result of all the mindless hysteria over climate. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-climate-cars-volker-wissing-minister-suggests-indefinite-driving-bans-on-weekends/ "A reduction in traffic to help meet the climate goals would only be possible through measures that are difficult to communicate to the public, such as “comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,” Wissing added." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 16 17 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, you are again missing the forest for the trees. Fossil fuels continue to rule. "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." Am I? am I really?? You keep posting the same thing over and over again even when we show you the trends in your own country. In the US coal was a mere 16.2% of powergen last year compared to 52.8% in 1997 thats fallen off a cliff!, NG is 43.1% Renewables are making up 40% of USA's powergen mix now and that is growing rapidly. There are ZERO new coal plants being built in the US There is NO appetite by investors anywhere on the globe to invest in coal plants, even China arent investing in coal plants outside of China. Compare your 47.4GW of coal coming on line last year in China to the 301GW of renewables that came on line in China last year! Thats less than 16% of renewables! Chuck in the new Mega projects they are working on in the desert areas and coal is doomed. China are 5 years ahead already on their renewable plan. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP April 16 13 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, dust off your eyeglasses. The 7% increase was for China, the 1.5 % increase was for the world. How could you miss that, old boy? I didnt! I said China made up 95% of the growth so that would equate nearer the 2% mark, which you then confirmed just now!! Can you read your own post below??? Ive highlighted the 2% for you in case you miss it again! 29 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, you are again missing the forest for the trees. Fossil fuels continue to rule. Here is what the current report from the EPA states, "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” The bigger picture shows that "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." Fossil fuels continue to rule.????? not anymore.............. Dinosaurs used to rule the entire earth.......... not anymore.............. we are now in the SOLAR/BATTERY AGE coal age is dying fast China has lots of dinosaurs ....in 2023 the hunt started on coal generated power on a massive scale 2024 is shaping up to be a 50 % increase in solar over 2023...Can you say 500 GW????? try mumbling it 2023 a 50 percent Global increase over 2022...China doubled 2022 What are the solar projections for 2024? The EIA report said the U.S. could add 62.8 GW of new power capacity in 2024, a 55% jump over the 40.4 GW added a year ago. Solar power paired with battery energy storage is expected to account for 81% of new U.S. generation capacity.Feb 19, 2024 EIA: Solar Will Surge in 2024, Account for More Than Half of New U.S. ... Edited April 16 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE April 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Here is what the current report from the EPA states, "In 2022, 2022 doesn't sound very current. Accept that things are changing fast. Edited April 16 by TailingsPond 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE April 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Here we go, the shape of things to come. The dreaded "driving bans" to shut down all traffic. The ultimate result of all the mindless hysteria over climate. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-climate-cars-volker-wissing-minister-suggests-indefinite-driving-bans-on-weekends/ "A reduction in traffic to help meet the climate goals would only be possible through measures that are difficult to communicate to the public, such as “comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,” Wissing added." Some countries experimented with road closures to vehicles on certain streets and the public loves it. Sure it is mostly pretty streets or areas with cultural significance but it is still a growing trend worldwide. People are noticing that making cities unwalkable degrades cultural activities. Watch for more holiday celebrations, farmers markets, festivals, street performers taking back the roads! The reverse of "they paved paradise and put up a parking lot." https://www.familinparis.fr/en/champs-elysees-pedestrian-day/ https://www.familinparis.fr/en/car-free-day/ Other places you can only drive on alternate days, people with plates ending in even numbers drive on some days, odd number the others. Edited April 16 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Am I? am I really?? You keep posting the same thing over and over again even when we show you the trends in your own country. In the US coal was a mere 16.2% of powergen last year compared to 52.8% in 1997 thats fallen off a cliff!, NG is 43.1% Renewables are making up 40% of USA's powergen mix now and that is growing rapidly. There are ZERO new coal plants being built in the US There is NO appetite by investors anywhere on the globe to invest in coal plants, even China arent investing in coal plants outside of China. Compare your 47.4GW of coal coming on line last year in China to the 301GW of renewables that came on line in China last year! Thats less than 16% of renewables! Chuck in the new Mega projects they are working on in the desert areas and coal is doomed. China are 5 years ahead already on their renewable plan. Rob, read the official data. Shake the Green dust out of your eyes for once. Here is what the current report from the EPA states, "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” The bigger picture shows that "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." Edited April 16 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: I didnt! I said China made up 95% of the growth so that would equate nearer the 2% mark, which you then confirmed just now!! Can you read your own post below??? Ive highlighted the 2% for you in case you miss it again! Then why were you so confused about the numbers? You really need to check your posts. Here was your confusion, which is very strange. "Wow which is it Eco 7% or 1.5% " How could you be confused, Rob^ "The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that coal-fired power generation grew by 1.5% (158TWh) in 2023", which obviously refers to world coal-fired generation. "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, GLOBAL operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the WORLD added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power." Where you have serious problems, Rob, is explaining why sales of EVs is rapidly reducing to an actual negative growth rate. EVs are stalling and going quietly into decline. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/global-ev-sales-expected-to-only-increase-by-21-in-2024-as-ev-market-cools-but-chargers-and-range-arent-to-blame-302112559.html "Sales problems in the U.S. can be attributed to an unsustainable reliance on Tesla, which is faltering as the supply of early adopters dwindles..." "The latest forecasts from global technology intelligence firm ABI Research find that global Electric Vehicle (EV) sales are expected to grow by 21% in 2024 and 19% in 2025. This represents a significant decline from growth rates of 31% in 2023 and 60% in 2022." So we have a clear downward trend, 60% - 31% - 21% - 19%...disaster, meltdown. Edited April 16 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: 2022 doesn't sound very current. Accept that things are changing fast. The report was released just now by the EPA, that is the current Biden government report. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-CO2-Emissions-Down-17-Since-2005-Despite-2022-Increase.html “In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/units-and-calculators/british-thermal-units.php "British thermal unit (Btu) is a measure of the heat content of fuels or energy sources. One Btu is the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1° Fahrenheit (F) at the temperature that water has its greatest density (approximately 39° F)." Edited April 16 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE April 16 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: So we have a clear downward trend, 60% - 31% - 21% - 19%...disaster, meltdown. I already explained how that is not a downward trend. +60, +31, +21, +19. Very clear, sustainable growth. Edited April 16 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE April 16 (edited) Notice, the numbers do not suggest a linear downward trend to zero growth. R^2 is much higher for a levelling off in sale growth. Edited April 16 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 16 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, read the official data. Shake the Green dust out of your eyes for once. Here is what the current report from the EPA states, "In 2022, 83.0 percent of the energy used in the United States on a Btu basis was produced through the combustion of fossil fuels. The remaining 17.0 percent came from other energy sources such as hydropower, biomass, nuclear, wind, and solar energy,” The bigger picture shows that "Central Asian states have doubled their coal-based power generation capacity over the past decade, with plans for further expansion." "The IEA estimates that China's coal-fired power generation increased by almost 7% in 2023." "Last year, global operating coal capacity increased by 2% as the world added a total of 69.5 gigawatts of coal fired power. Worldwide, coal-fired power plant retirements were only 21.1 GW in 2023—the lowest capacity retired since 2011." The bigger picture..............."Central Asian states........ only a fool , such as yourself , would buy your BS babble Central Asian states???????Are we talking Kansas....ha ha ha as we were discussing the United States and you are trying to paint Central Asian states as the bigger picture......Only a Russian would believe your BS Comrade .....the Central Asian states are diddly if you have been to any of the Central Asian states you would know they are ex soviet states that were left to rot and die..... they collective generation capacity has doubled........ 2 times diddly is double diddly Here is a good example of real power demand Power plants in Uzbekistan generated over 74 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity in 2022, up three billion kilowatt-hours in the previous year. The production increased each year under consideration.Aug 7, 2023 Electricity generation in Uzbekistan 2016-2022 - Statista Statista https://www.statista.com › ... › Energy Compare the capacity of one the Central Asian States to one of the US States How about Iowa in 2022..................... Iowas consumption was 72,982,198 MWH or 78982 Billion WH or 79 Billion KWH Iowa itself is bigger than the biggest Central Asian State of Uzbekistan so move to one of your big Central Asian States and go all coal. We will not miss you Edited April 16 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL April 16 7 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: I already explained how that is not a downward trend. +60, +31, +21, +19. Very clear, sustainable growth. That is not an exponential growth curve, that is a declining growth curve asymptotic to a low rate. Furthermore, the rate of growth since last November is negative year on year, which pulls your curve below the zero point. Your curve needs to be adjusted. Either way, there will not be a path to a position of replacing fossil fuel transportation with EV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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