Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rob Plant said: This comment shows you have no clue what utter rubbish your are spouting! Growth is growth it isnt negative! I presume you are trying to articulate that the growth rate percentage is reducing. Either you struggle with the English language or your struggle with math, or maybe its both! Ive highlighted the word "grow" for you from your own post. Show me how you can have "negative growth" Growth dropping to a huge 19% in 2025 is still exceptional growth in what is now becoming a market with many players, increasing competition and driving costs down. This is from your own post FFS! Is the company you work for experiencing growth of 19%? if so wow thats amazing, well done! Rob, the term "negative growth" means growth rates below zero. I guess you skipped your economics 101 primers. Growth rates year on year which dropped to below 0% in November is not positive growth, but an actual decline in sales. Read and weep. Edited April 18 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 19 (edited) Coal is King. Long live the King. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Coal-Continues-to-Thrive-Despite-Pledges-for-Clean-Energy.html "Last year, China’s new plant construction reached an eight-year high, and if the government goes ahead with existing plant proposals it could increase its operating fleet by around one-third. China accounts for approximately 60 percent of the global coal usage, followed by India – which derives 80 percent of its electricity from coal – and the U.S." "While coal production and consumption are falling rapidly in the U.S. and parts of Europe, this is being outweighed by the rising demand in Asia. China and India intend to increase their coal consumption to meet the demands of population growth and industrialisation, constructing new coal plants to meet this rising demand, despite the increasing global pressure to decarbonise." The problem with this analysis is to connect the dots...namely, why is China rapidly increasing its coal generated energy? The answer is...to meet the needs of the EV transition. Just as we saw earlier, the drive to EV transport forces the increase of coal production, and the overall net effect on atmosphere is to increase significantly the atmospheric CO2 content. Are you listening, Mr. President? Edited April 19 by Ecocharger 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 780 GE April 19 18 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Are you listening, Mr. President? No, nobody listens to you. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 19 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Coal is King. Long live the King. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Coal-Continues-to-Thrive-Despite-Pledges-for-Clean-Energy.html "Last year, China’s new plant construction reached an eight-year high, and if the government goes ahead with existing plant proposals it could increase its operating fleet by around one-third. China accounts for approximately 60 percent of the global coal usage, followed by India – which derives 80 percent of its electricity from coal – and the U.S." "While coal production and consumption are falling rapidly in the U.S. and parts of Europe, this is being outweighed by the rising demand in Asia. China and India intend to increase their coal consumption to meet the demands of population growth and industrialisation, constructing new coal plants to meet this rising demand, despite the increasing global pressure to decarbonise." The problem with this analysis is to connect the dots...namely, why is China rapidly increasing its coal generated energy? The answer is...to meet the needs of the EV transition. Just as we saw earlier, the drive to EV transport forces the increase of coal production, and the overall net effect on atmosphere is to increase significantly the atmospheric CO2 content. Are you listening, Mr. President? Coal is King. Long live the King.????? Comrade, not in the good old USA Coal is now in last place in 2024 The King is Nat gas followed by Renewables and Renewables is gaining 2 percent share every year right now....Coal and Nat gas is giving up share to Renewables today in five more years Renewables will be King...Coal????? you will be lucky to see it with 10 percent. King Coal fell off the throne in 2015.. Try to stay relevant and up to date....... Pesky solar panels with battery storage........... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 465 April 19 (edited) On 4/17/2024 at 5:42 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said: Your central figure of your topic has a problem... Expanding universe is based on red shift... which we know is false due to Hubble constant we know is false(all you have to do is triangulate on Jupiter) and quasars which also prove it is false, along with latest nail in its coffin from the James Web Telescope... The only reason Red Shift still has ANY credibility is due to near objects for which it can be ~close enough and since we do not have any better explanation. Also gets back we have no uniform field theory or whichever name you wish to call it in Physics that explains that which we see. Latest Baloney with zero evidence trying to "help" our abysmal unified field theory of the universe is "dark matter" and quantum mechanics for which we have zero evidence of how anything interacts, but must take it on faith it is true... And Macro Evolution: You truly have to be a religoius zealot to believe that. Go take cellular biology and with a straight face say by random chance any of that could happen even when you KNOW all those processes and "parts" break down near instantly and the kicker? There is no known operational force which could randomly produce even partial parts of said cell and you religious cultists play make believe whole functioning cells are viable. "Science" today is a religious cult But do prattle onwards... 1. I do not know much about the expansion or status quo of the universe but .... a) from observation on centrifugal force, we could probably deduce that " every unrestrained spinning object would be expanding in circular form".. imagine shot put. There is a force pushing things outward, far and away, depending on the strength of spinning center, weight of thing(s) involved, speed of spinning, atmospheric resistance etc... Shall unrestrained. 2. Posted a reply on facebook over a question about evolution posted on a philosophy group. Briefly put it here, portion of it that i could remember..... a) Darwin was introduced by his teacher to go on a trip to Galapagos Island. There, he drew out everything he saw. He observed later, same birds that live in different areas of the island developed beaks of different shapes and sizes. He suggested different types of food found in different location might have provoked "adaptation", so that they can survive. Hence, he said:" survive of the fittest... " b) he also noticed, birds that had high reproductive rate, usually were of smaller sizes... ( Too much fornication and bird birth used up energy. Offsprings just had not enough time to grow properly in size.) 'o' '-' That's about all he said. Credible, right? Later, light bulb moment of some smarter scientists tried to explain origin of living things and human beings. The theory is " If chimpanzee could evolve to become earliest mankind, then, why not other things? There might be a link between all living things somehow... " Family tree was introduced. Here is where brainless but smart octopus, that have been living millions of years, could be our ancestors, by chance... 'o' +~+ In short, if Darwin had used the term " adapt" instead of "evolve", the blame might not have fallen on him...... If mankind is not from 🐙 and a single protein after some mysterious thunder and lightning, how do we exist? When science fails to explain things, religion or gods come into place... If they do not exist, then mysterious protein would be how the later living things evolved and adapted to environmental condition... Right? @~@ +.+ Edited April 19 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 20 23 hours ago, TailingsPond said: No, nobody listens to you. Only those with some modicum of intelligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 20 20 hours ago, notsonice said: Coal is King. Long live the King.????? Comrade, not in the good old USA Coal is now in last place in 2024 The King is Nat gas followed by Renewables and Renewables is gaining 2 percent share every year right now....Coal and Nat gas is giving up share to Renewables today in five more years Renewables will be King...Coal????? you will be lucky to see it with 10 percent. King Coal fell off the throne in 2015.. Try to stay relevant and up to date....... Pesky solar panels with battery storage........... Yes, any increase in American EV sales will increase coal usage in China, there is no escaping this. Lifetime EV profiles for CO2 include the coal needed to produce Chinese batteries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 20 50 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Yes, any increase in American EV sales will increase coal usage in China, there is no escaping this. Lifetime EV profiles for CO2 include the coal needed to produce Chinese batteries. enjoy Coal is toast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 20 2 hours ago, notsonice said: enjoy Coal is toast Coal will be in great demand due to the projected demand for EVs. Your own policies are ramping up demand for coal...thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 780 GE April 20 36 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Coal will be in great demand due to the projected demand for EVs. Your own policies are ramping up demand for coal...thank you. Why do you personally care about coal demand? Why would you thank anyone? Do you have significant financial investment in coal mining? That would be an understandable bias. If you just promote coal out of some ideology that would be strange. You routinely say that EV's adoption will fail, if that is the case why would there be a "projected demand for EV's" leading to greater coal usage? You have to pick one side. You can't simultaneously say there is no demand for EV's and that EV demand will drive up coal prices. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 20 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Coal will be in great demand due to the projected demand for EVs. Your own policies are ramping up demand for coal...thank you. the chart proves you are wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 20 45 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Why do you personally care about coal demand? Why would you thank anyone? Do you have significant financial investment in coal mining? That would be an understandable bias. If you just promote coal out of some ideology that would be strange. You routinely say that EV's adoption will fail, if that is the case why would there be a "projected demand for EV's" leading to greater coal usage? You have to pick one side. You can't simultaneously say there is no demand for EV's and that EV demand will drive up coal prices. There is a determined government policy to ramp up EV adoption in an attempt to reduce atmospheric CO2. Pointing out that this is a self-defeating policy which will actually result in more atmospheric CO2 is a basic point in the discussion. Now, what part of that is beyond your understanding? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 780 GE April 20 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: There is a determined government policy to ramp up EV adoption in an attempt to reduce atmospheric CO2. Pointing out that this is a self-defeating policy which will actually result in more atmospheric CO2 is a basic point in the discussion. Now, what part of that is beyond your understanding? You hold conflicting beliefs. You routinely say the EV adoption is dead. Therefore you should have no concerns about any ramifications of said adoption. It's like you are complaining about how much a child will cost to raise even though you are infertile. No kid, no problem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,188 April 20 18 hours ago, notsonice said: enjoy Coal is toast Nobrain: USA has dirt cheap NG with a thermal efficiency of ~60% along with coal. Nearly no one else does other than Russia and Australia --> China does not. --> India does not --. S. Africa does not. --> Poland does not --> Germany does not --> Indonesia does not --> Vietnam does not --> Belgium does not In fact almost NO ONE has NG who has Coal and none of them have enough oil either. Every nation that has coal will use it. EVERY single one of them including... --> Yes, Germany who claims every single Watt produced by their wind is used even though their coal plants are still operating yet supposedly producing "zero" power.... Nobrain posting USA numbers pretending this is the world is truly pathetic. PS: Please do post UK numbers next... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,537 April 20 1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Nobrain: USA has dirt cheap NG with a thermal efficiency of ~60% along with coal. Nearly no one else does other than Russia and Australia --> China does not. --> India does not --. S. Africa does not. --> Poland does not --> Germany does not --> Indonesia does not --> Vietnam does not --> Belgium does not In fact almost NO ONE has NG who has Coal and none of them have enough oil either. Every nation that has coal will use it. EVERY single one of them including... --> Yes, Germany who claims every single Watt produced by their wind is used even though their coal plants are still operating yet supposedly producing "zero" power.... Nobrain posting USA numbers pretending this is the world is truly pathetic. PS: Please do post UK numbers next... Then why bother with ~35% (sometimes) efficient coal? Particularly that NG is so prevalent in the USA? (I know, I like it!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Nobrain: USA has dirt cheap NG with a thermal efficiency of ~60% along with coal. Nearly no one else does other than Russia and Australia --> China does not. --> India does not --. S. Africa does not. --> Poland does not --> Germany does not --> Indonesia does not --> Vietnam does not --> Belgium does not In fact almost NO ONE has NG who has Coal and none of them have enough oil either. Every nation that has coal will use it. EVERY single one of them including... --> Yes, Germany who claims every single Watt produced by their wind is used even though their coal plants are still operating yet supposedly producing "zero" power.... Nobrain posting USA numbers pretending this is the world is truly pathetic. PS: Please do post UK numbers next... Hey Dumbass, How is your grand tunnel construction scheme working out????? did you bother to look at the numbers out of Europe for coal and nat gas????? Germany???.......Poland???? Belguim???? the UK????? they all have coal and yet they are on the path to zero Coal consumption in the next few years German coal consumption....off a cliff.....Love to see you eat shit...next time you open your piehole...try doing a little research DUMBASS I do see you support coal....only Morons support coal.............. The amount of electricity generated by fossil fuels across the European Union (EU) fell to its lowest level since records began in the first six months of 2023, according to a new report from energy analysts Ember. Electricity generated from coal collapsed by 23% and gas fell by 13%, compared with the same period a year earlier. At the same time, solar generation increased by 13% and wind power output by 5%. This allowed 17 EU countries to generate record shares of power from renewables. Greece and Romania both passed 50% renewables for the first time, while Denmark and Portugal both surpassed 75% renewables. The fall in the reliance on fossil fuels was driven mainly by a “significant” drop in electricity demand amid high gas and power prices, according to Ember. It adds that the EU will need to accelerate the deployment of low-carbon power to accommodate for demand recovering while keeping on track for climate goals. The report shows that over the first six months of 2023: The structural decline of coal has continued, despite the volatility in the power market in the EU. Solar generation increased 13% in comparison to the same period the previous year. Wind capacity expansion has been hit by policy challenges and increased prices. Nuclear generation fell by 3.6%, but French nuclear output has increased since April and is expected to continue to rebound throughout the year. Electricity demand fell by 5% to a record low of 1,261TWh, largely due to high power prices. Fossil fuel falls Across Europe, fossil-fuel generation fell over the first six months of 2023. Generation from coal and gas decreased by 86 terawatt hours (TWh, 17%), with fossil fuels generating 410TWh (33%) of demand, according to Ember. Germany Poland Belgium coal consumption Edited April 20 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 20 Carbon Brief EU’s use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to ‘record low’ in first half of 2023 The amount of electricity generated by fossil fuels across the European Union (EU) fell to its lowest level since records began in the first... . Aug 29, 2023 Reuters Wind overtakes coal for electricity generation in Europe Europe's power producers generated more electricity from wind than from coal for the first time in the last quarter of 2023, marking a key... . Jan 10, 2024 Euronews.com 'Unprecedented collapse' in EU coal and gas electricity generation last year, report reveals Wind and solar produced a record 27 per cent of the bloc's electricity in 2023 - above a quarter for the first time. Coal and gas took a... . Feb 7, 2024 Voice of America EU Fossil Fuel Energy Production Hits Record Low, Report Says Coal generation was down 23%, accounting for less than 10% of the EU's total electricity production for the first time ever in May. . Aug 29, 2023 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 20 (edited) 43 minutes ago, notsonice said: Carbon Brief EU’s use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to ‘record low’ in first half of 2023 The amount of electricity generated by fossil fuels across the European Union (EU) fell to its lowest level since records began in the first... . Aug 29, 2023 Reuters Wind overtakes coal for electricity generation in Europe Europe's power producers generated more electricity from wind than from coal for the first time in the last quarter of 2023, marking a key... . Jan 10, 2024 Euronews.com 'Unprecedented collapse' in EU coal and gas electricity generation last year, report reveals Wind and solar produced a record 27 per cent of the bloc's electricity in 2023 - above a quarter for the first time. Coal and gas took a... . Feb 7, 2024 Voice of America EU Fossil Fuel Energy Production Hits Record Low, Report Says Coal generation was down 23%, accounting for less than 10% of the EU's total electricity production for the first time ever in May. . Aug 29, 2023 But since November, EU sales of EVs have declined in absolute numbers and sales of fossil fuel vehicles have increased. World coal production and energy generation from coal has increased. You have your head stuck in a hole in the ground. Edited April 20 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 April 21 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/climate-fail-new-york-scrap-most-its-offshore/ CLIMATE FAIL: New York to Scrap Most Its Offshore Wind Projects, Not Economically Viable By Ben Kew Apr. 20, 2024 6:40 pm133 Comments The state of New York has confirmed that it will be scrapping most of its signature offshore wind projects, in a major blow to all those pushing the climate change hoax. The projects were intended to help the state achieve its goal of 70 percent renewable energy by 2030 while becoming a nationwide leader in renewable energy, although they have now been deemed unviable. Politico reports: NYSERDA, the state authority in charge of the deals, announced Friday that no final agreements could be reached with the three projects that received provisional awards in October 2023. Those bids were all linked to major supply chain investments by General Electric and a larger turbine it planned to build that was aimed at boosting the region’s renewable energy portfolio. “Subsequent to the provisional award announcement, material modifications to projects bid into New York’s third offshore wind solicitation caused technical and commercial complexities between provisional awardees and their partners, resulting in the provisionally awarded parties’ inability to come to terms,” NYSERDA wrote in an announcement. The report adds that while New York is not giving up on wind power entirely, the decision does represent a serious setback: Survival Beef Company CEO: “No Lab-Grown Meat, No mRNA Jabs, and No ‘Beef Crumbles’ Ever” It’s not the total end of offshore wind in New York but does represent a setback. There are still some projects off the coast of Long Island and New Jersey on the drawing board and one is already operational. … Environmental advocates are alarmed by the challenges facing the industry. Offshore wind is key to reaching New York’s goal of 70 percent renewable energy sources by 2030, along with other longer-term targets. But there is growing evidence that the mandate will be hard to reach. Such news underlines the growing body of evidence that wind power and other forms of renewable energies are not practical alternatives to meeting America’s long term energy needs, all while the Biden regime wages war on the country’s vast natural energy reserves. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,451 DL April 21 (edited) In Europe, EV sales have fallen off a cliff, with marked sales declines year on year. The same trend is evident in America, and fossil fuel vehicle sales are growing faster than EV sales. https://apnews.com/article/auto-sales-strong-electric-vehicle-sales-slow-70a663fbc0719ebda7a4ca814c2827d2 "Sales of electric vehicles grew only 3.3% to nearly 270,000 during the quarter, far below the 47% growth that fueled record sales and a 7.6% market share last year. The slowdown, led by Tesla, confirms automakers’ fears that they moved too quickly to pursue EV buyers. The EV share of total U.S. sales fell to 7.15% in the first quarter." "Motorintelligence.com estimated that Tesla’s U.S. sales were down more than 13% in the first quarter." The EV market is now over-saturated, the people who bought into the Green Dream have already purchased their EV as a third family car, and the EV market is exhausted. "Nearly all of the early adopters and people concerned about internal-combustion engines’ impact on the planet have bought electric vehicles, and now automakers are facing more skeptical mainstream buyers, Edmunds Director of Insights Ivan Drury said. “That’s where all of those headwinds come in that we’ve seen in survey data,” Drury said. “Those real-world concerns about charging infrastructure, battery life, insurance costs.”" Edited April 21 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 21 20 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/climate-fail-new-york-scrap-most-its-offshore/ CLIMATE FAIL: New York to Scrap Most Its Offshore Wind Projects, Not Economically Viable By Ben Kew Apr. 20, 2024 6:40 pm133 Comments The state of New York has confirmed that it will be scrapping most of its signature offshore wind projects, in a major blow to all those pushing the climate change hoax. The projects were intended to help the state achieve its goal of 70 percent renewable energy by 2030 while becoming a nationwide leader in renewable energy, although they have now been deemed unviable. Politico reports: NYSERDA, the state authority in charge of the deals, announced Friday that no final agreements could be reached with the three projects that received provisional awards in October 2023. Those bids were all linked to major supply chain investments by General Electric and a larger turbine it planned to build that was aimed at boosting the region’s renewable energy portfolio. “Subsequent to the provisional award announcement, material modifications to projects bid into New York’s third offshore wind solicitation caused technical and commercial complexities between provisional awardees and their partners, resulting in the provisionally awarded parties’ inability to come to terms,” NYSERDA wrote in an announcement. The report adds that while New York is not giving up on wind power entirely, the decision does represent a serious setback: Survival Beef Company CEO: “No Lab-Grown Meat, No mRNA Jabs, and No ‘Beef Crumbles’ Ever” It’s not the total end of offshore wind in New York but does represent a setback. There are still some projects off the coast of Long Island and New Jersey on the drawing board and one is already operational. … Environmental advocates are alarmed by the challenges facing the industry. Offshore wind is key to reaching New York’s goal of 70 percent renewable energy sources by 2030, along with other longer-term targets. But there is growing evidence that the mandate will be hard to reach. Such news underlines the growing body of evidence that wind power and other forms of renewable energies are not practical alternatives to meeting America’s long term energy needs, all while the Biden regime wages war on the country’s vast natural energy reserves. 3 offshore wind projects are not happening and the conclusion you put forward is .........evidence that wind power and other forms of renewable energies are not practical alternatives???? you are not very bright to believe such BS comments in your article let alone to repost them..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM April 21 21 hours ago, Ecocharger said: But since November, EU sales of EVs have declined in absolute numbers and sales of fossil fuel vehicles have increased. World coal production and energy generation from coal has increased. You have your head stuck in a hole in the ground. I posted articles on Unprecedented collapse’ in EU coal and gas electricity generation last year, report reveals and you are babbling about EV sales You have your head stuck up your backside as usual Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,188 April 21 On 4/20/2024 at 1:54 PM, turbguy said: Then why bother with ~35% (sometimes) efficient coal? Particularly that NG is so prevalent in the USA? (I know, I like it!) You know the reasons. In fact you have said them before. Hrmm, why can't you post them again... Sunk Existing infrastructure costs Cheap fuel(was) before Fracking made NG nearly ~free at which point Coal has fallen off a cliff Redundancy Ease of storing power We obtain multiple products from coal besides power which is Difficult(see #1) to produce another way--> Many acids etc as coal does have lots of nasty by products, many of which we use in our refining/mining/cracking infrastructure. Coal is literally the basis for most of the chemical industry not related to hydrocarbons(oil/ng). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,188 April 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ecocharger said: In Europe, EV sales have fallen off a cliff, with marked sales declines year on year. The same trend is evident in America, and fossil fuel vehicle sales are growing faster than EV sales. https://apnews.com/article/auto-sales-strong-electric-vehicle-sales-slow-70a663fbc0719ebda7a4ca814c2827d2 "Sales of electric vehicles grew only 3.3% to nearly 270,000 during the quarter, far below the 47% growth that fueled record sales and a 7.6% market share last year. The slowdown, led by Tesla, confirms automakers’ fears that they moved too quickly to pursue EV buyers. The EV share of total U.S. sales fell to 7.15% in the first quarter." "Motorintelligence.com estimated that Tesla’s U.S. sales were down more than 13% in the first quarter." The EV market is now over-saturated, the people who bought into the Green Dream have already purchased their EV as a third family car, and the EV market is exhausted. "Nearly all of the early adopters and people concerned about internal-combustion engines’ impact on the planet have bought electric vehicles, and now automakers are facing more skeptical mainstream buyers, Edmunds Director of Insights Ivan Drury said. “That’s where all of those headwinds come in that we’ve seen in survey data,” Drury said. “Those real-world concerns about charging infrastructure, battery life, insurance costs.”" Why would anyone buy an EV? For $30k I can buy a NEW(I never would) Toyota Camry which will get well in excess of 200,000 miles at 50mpg(4000 gallons over its life for a cost of ~$16,000), Miles/year ~15,000(wife), ~8000(me) average ~10,000 for ease of calculation = lifetime costs of 20 years. Tires will also last 25% longer as car weigh less than EV. Insurance cost of a mere $500/year, an EV will set you back at LEAST 2X this cost a year in insurance alone, or $10,000 saved by buying an ICE vrs EV over 20 years, and a lower license tag as well as it weighs LESS(savings in my state compared to an EV would be $40/yr which more than offsets the cost of an oil change so call it a wash) Total Cost of Camry ICE over 20 years(they run much longer than this) is ~$51,000 if you buy new. An EV which will actually last 20 years and is not crap charging etc(Only Tesla qualifies) is $45,000 new(Long range model 3 only EV model worth contemplating buying currently), will cost $1000/yr in insurance(never seen it this low, and many claiming their insurance is $1500+ a year, but round numbers) for a total operating expense of $65,000+ charging costs + higher tire wear so ~somewhere around ++$70,000+ for 20 years of ownership. $51,000 vrs $70,000 It is a no brainer and you can drive anywhere anytime wherever you want without fear of a rock hitting the bottom of your battery Deep sixing your entire investment. PS: EDIT: Oh yeaa paying taxes on that extra $20,000 which ANOTHER cost of ~$5000--> Pure stupidity to buy an EV from a financial perspective of long term ownership and even WORSE at short term ownership. EDIT: What EV religious nuts do not admit is that ~10% of range is lost within the first year of ownership, so what is claimed can automatically be reduced by 10% right from the start and still SUCKSs turds in the winter. EDIT: Oh yea, and the Camry is the better vehicle for comfort than the Shitla Model 3LR Edited April 22 by footeab@yahoo.com 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 465 April 22 (edited) On 4/21/2024 at 6:16 AM, notsonice said: Hey Dumbass, How is your grand tunnel construction scheme working out????? did you bother to look at the numbers out of Europe for coal and nat gas????? Germany???.......Poland???? Belguim???? the UK????? they all have coal and yet they are on the path to zero Coal consumption in the next few years German coal consumption....off a cliff.....Love to see you eat shit...next time you open your piehole...try doing a little research DUMBASS I do see you support coal....only Morons support coal.............. The amount of electricity generated by fossil fuels across the European Union (EU) fell to its lowest level since records began in the first six months of 2023, according to a new report from energy analysts Ember. Electricity generated from coal collapsed by 23% and gas fell by 13%, compared with the same period a year earlier. At the same time, solar generation increased by 13% and wind power output by 5%. This allowed 17 EU countries to generate record shares of power from renewables. Greece and Romania both passed 50% renewables for the first time, while Denmark and Portugal both surpassed 75% renewables. The fall in the reliance on fossil fuels was driven mainly by a “significant” drop in electricity demand amid high gas and power prices, according to Ember. It adds that the EU will need to accelerate the deployment of low-carbon power to accommodate for demand recovering while keeping on track for climate goals. The report shows that over the first six months of 2023: The structural decline of coal has continued, despite the volatility in the power market in the EU. Solar generation increased 13% in comparison to the same period the previous year. Wind capacity expansion has been hit by policy challenges and increased prices. Nuclear generation fell by 3.6%, but French nuclear output has increased since April and is expected to continue to rebound throughout the year. Electricity demand fell by 5% to a record low of 1,261TWh, largely due to high power prices. Fossil fuel falls Across Europe, fossil-fuel generation fell over the first six months of 2023. Generation from coal and gas decreased by 86 terawatt hours (TWh, 17%), with fossil fuels generating 410TWh (33%) of demand, according to Ember. Germany Poland Belgium coal consumption Quote:" German coal consumption....off a cliff.....Love to see you eat shit...next time you open your piehole...try doing a little research DUMBASS I do see you support coal....only Morons support coal.........." How rude!! Why are you not being censored yet? Selva? You are the one should do more reading before opening your mouth in such manner!! Check these out: 1. One of the Newsletter last year posted an article which said :" Germany reopening coal factories in preparation for energy demand during winter... " 2. Europe has been trying to reduce impact of acid rain, smog, air pollution in general, from coal since 1950s or 60s. - You have not realized most of them have hydro, gas, nuclear, geothermal, hydro-wind mill, as power generators? Not coal!! - Those late adopters might have coal making plants somewhere in Brazil or less developed countries to supply the needs. They replant the trees of course. 3. Owing to insufficient right information, request from labour party of a european country to increase wages of coal workers by £2 a week was declined for decades. Yet, billions of spending on military equipment was approved within a day or a week in the late 90s. They are giving those unknown and unsung heroes of their economy back bone a hard time... In exchange of falling empire.... 4. From a cult kid :" Urbanization in Europe, and the world in general, is changing the regularity of wind belt system". Wind energy will become less and less predictable in time, unless there is an increase in frequency of cyclone, hurricane etc... 5. As mentioned in one of the replies, modern designs of coal - steam funnel might be with flaw... a) air inlet system b) size of coal c) old design of double boiler with one heating source should be reconsidered etc Mind your manner!! Edited April 22 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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