Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Too funny. The data centres can be anywhere and everywhere, the brains who control them live tend to live in blue states. Heck, facebook and twitter cut off Trump for a while. It doesn't have to be a political party cutting off access. According to you the corporations have the right to deny service to a corrupt market. "We have the right to refuse service to anyone." So any CEO who dislikes trump and his supporters is free to cut off service? Do you still like them apples? Even left wing anti-CO2 corporate execs (the few of them who exist) are only too, too happy to make a fistful of bucks by serving any right-wing politico who wants to make good, sound logical arguments against the Green Mania. In other words: Money talks!!! Edited June 3 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 3 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Even left wing anti-CO2 corporate execs (the few of them who exist) are only too, too happy to make a fistful of bucks by serving any right-wing politico who wants to make good, sound logical arguments against the Green Mania. In other words: Money talks!!! Thankfully the cult is running out of money. You can't bribe without cash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 3 (edited) Wrote and Edited 1 hour ago by Ecocharger the average American is being deprived of personal automobile transportation for NO good reason.????? and once again you babble bs........ Did your clunker get repossessed again ????and you have to ride the bus again???????? hope you can hang on to your job this time so you can make payments..............I get it, for you, riding the bus sucks......... as the amount of cars in the us is going up faster than the population https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1305-august-28-2023-growth-number-vehicles-us-outpaced-growth FOTW #1305, August 28, 2023: Growth in the Number of Vehicles in the U.S. Outpaced Growth in Population and Licensed Drivers from 1960 to 2021 Edited June 3 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP June 3 On 6/2/2024 at 5:54 AM, Ecocharger said: Rob, read something and learn. Lithium is a disaster waiting to happen, and the frenzied activists running deceived governments are going to be held accountable for unleashing this disaster on somnambulant populations. https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/01/18/the-paradox-of-lithium/ "These side effects include: use of large quantities of water and related pollution; potential increase in carbon dioxide emissions; production of large quantities of mineral waste; increased respiratory problems; alteration of the hydrological cycle." "Lithium, referred to as “white gold,” is essential to the fabrication of “green” technologies, and extracting it enacts as much devastation as harvesting fossil fuels." "The Center for Interdisciplinary Environmental Justice’s analysis, however, shows that national emissions would reduce only by 6% with the electrification of cars, in part because these vehicles still rely on electricity generation, roughly 60% of which comes from gas, oil, and coal. The [lithium] mine would directly release the equivalent of 152,713 tons of carbon dioxide each year, equivalent to the greenhouse gas emissions of a small city, according to the federally issued final environmental impact statement." You clearly missed Turbguy's explanation earlier, try reading and learning it might actually make you see sense for once. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 3 9 hours ago, Rob Plant said: You clearly missed Turbguy's explanation earlier, try reading and learning it might actually make you see sense for once. I read it, the problems with lithium remain. "These side effects include: use of large quantities of water and related pollution; potential increase in carbon dioxide emissions; production of large quantities of mineral waste; increased respiratory problems; alteration of the hydrological cycle." "Lithium, referred to as “white gold,” is essential to the fabrication of “green” technologies, and extracting it enacts as much devastation as harvesting fossil fuels." "The Center for Interdisciplinary Environmental Justice’s analysis, however, shows that national emissions would reduce only by 6% with the electrification of cars, in part because these vehicles still rely on electricity generation, roughly 60% of which comes from gas, oil, and coal. The [lithium] mine would directly release the equivalent of 152,713 tons of carbon dioxide each year, equivalent to the greenhouse gas emissions of a small city, according to the federally issued final environmental impact statement." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 3 15 hours ago, notsonice said: Wrote and Edited 1 hour ago by Ecocharger the average American is being deprived of personal automobile transportation for NO good reason.????? and once again you babble bs........ Did your clunker get repossessed again ????and you have to ride the bus again???????? hope you can hang on to your job this time so you can make payments..............I get it, for you, riding the bus sucks......... as the amount of cars in the us is going up faster than the population https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1305-august-28-2023-growth-number-vehicles-us-outpaced-growth FOTW #1305, August 28, 2023: Growth in the Number of Vehicles in the U.S. Outpaced Growth in Population and Licensed Drivers from 1960 to 2021 The average American will not buy an EV, the Prez is planning to remove all fossil fuel cars from the American driveway...that equals a disaster for the standard of living for most people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 3 3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: The average American will not buy an EV, the Prez is planning to remove all fossil fuel cars from the American driveway...that equals a disaster for the standard of living for most people. thanks for your BS babble. The other day you babbled about no one can buy a car and now you babble about sleepy Joe removing your clunker from your driveway (get a mental health check or quit smoking reefer dude ...you are losing it).......Make your car payment......get a job........REPO man could car less about your babbling.... as the rest of the US is booming and amount of cars in everyone elses driveways keeps growing Enjoy the green revolution (and I am not talking about reefer........) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 3 10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: I read it, the problems with lithium remain. You ignore, no embrace, fossil fuel pollution so stop pretending you care about the environment. I clearly showed you that coal pollutes much, much more than lithium. Furthermore, we also use lithium in lots of other products, like cellphones which are everywhere, it's not all EV's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 3 9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: The average American will not buy an EV They will if they are really cheap. Also consider that most people have a much more open mind than the luddites who cling to technology of the past. Furthermore, even cheap EV's are very sporty, way better acceleration, etc. People who own both EV and ICE cars say their EV is way more fun to drive. You really need to get over your childish egocentric thought. You think that your beliefs reflect the average American, which is not true. You represent a demographic that is going away soon. The youth of the nation are ready for change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 3 See how out of touch 65+ Republicans are? Completely different views from the young democrats who will soon lead the nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 3 (edited) 26 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: See how out of touch 65+ Republicans are? Completely different views from the young democrats who will soon lead the nation. Just remember Luddites your cult leader does not have a drivers license ....he has never driven a car........ He prefers EVs' ...and you do not need a drivers license for the EV models he loves so much.....fact you never seeing him driving a clunker ...now his rival ...vroom vroom a Vette He himself loves EVs (well he drives a golf cart and last I checked they are all battery powered) Love his entourage, his best friends , The guys who gave his son in law $2 billion .........all hanging out in your beloved leaders cool rod You can bet BYD will have a street legal EV on the market soon that can also be used at the Rikers Island Country Club or GITMO National. Maybe BYD can name it the...... Donny Get used to the fact low cost , low maintenance EVs coupled with cheap Renewable electricity has arrived in 2024 and is taken hold fast in China...and we all know China loves to export export export Edited June 3 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 3 25 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: See how out of touch 65+ Republicans are? Completely different views from the young democrats who will soon lead the nation. Why do delusional lefty's keep posting such drivel? Did you not learn from all the other "young people lean left and will change the world moronic polls for the last 50 years? Young people love free ignorant stuff and voting for Utopian foolishness until they GROW UP and figure out FANTASY land is not reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 3 2 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Why do delusional lefty's keep posting such drivel? Did you not learn from all the other "young people lean left and will change the world moronic polls for the last 50 years? Young people love free ignorant stuff and voting for Utopian foolishness until they GROW UP and figure out FANTASY land is not reality. I updated my post,,,enjoy it Just remember Luddites your cult leader does not have a drivers license ....he has never driven a car........ He prefers EVs' ...and you do not need a drivers license for the EV models he loves so much.....fact you never seeing him driving a clunker ...now his rival ...vroom vroom a Vette He himself loves EVs (well he drives a golf cart and last I checked they are all battery powered) Love his entourage, his best friends , The guys who gave his son in law $2 billion .........all hanging out in your beloved leaders cool rod You can bet BYD will have a street legal EV on the market soon that can also be used at the Rikers Island Country Club or GITMO National. Maybe BYD can name it the...... Donny Get used to the fact low cost , low maintenance EVs coupled with cheap Renewable electricity has arrived in 2024 and is taken hold fast in China...and we all know China loves to export export export 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 3 4 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Why do delusional lefty's keep posting such drivel? Did you not learn from all the other "young people lean left and will change the world moronic polls for the last 50 years? Young people love free ignorant stuff and voting for Utopian foolishness until they GROW UP and figure out FANTASY land is not reality. You don't think the world has vastly changed in the last 50 years with a dramatic pro-liberal / pro-environmental shift? You probably miss those days when you could smoke on a plane and slap the flight attendants ass, call homosexuals f*gs in public, think the woman's place is in the home, and put lead in your gasoline while spraying DDT and CFCs everywhere. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 4 9 hours ago, TailingsPond said: You ignore, no embrace, fossil fuel pollution so stop pretending you care about the environment. I clearly showed you that coal pollutes much, much more than lithium. Furthermore, we also use lithium in lots of other products, like cellphones which are everywhere, it's not all EV's. 19 hours ago, Rob Plant said: You clearly missed Turbguy's explanation earlier, try reading and learning it might actually make you see sense for once. I read it, the problems with lithium remain. "These side effects include: use of large quantities of water and related pollution; potential increase in carbon dioxide emissions; production of large quantities of mineral waste; increased respiratory problems; alteration of the hydrological cycle." "Lithium, referred to as “white gold,” is essential to the fabrication of “green” technologies, and extracting it enacts as much devastation as harvesting fossil fuels." "The Center for Interdisciplinary Environmental Justice’s analysis, however, shows that national emissions would reduce only by 6% with the electrification of cars, in part because these vehicles still rely on electricity generation, roughly 60% of which comes from gas, oil, and coal. The [lithium] mine would directly release the equivalent of 152,713 tons of carbon dioxide each year, equivalent to the greenhouse gas emissions of a small city, according to the federally issued final environmental impact statement." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 4 Reality is checking the growth of the wild Green Mania, truth is triumphing over falsehood. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Europes-Net-Zero-Ambitions-Face-Reality-Check.html "The EU elections are right around the corner, and the results are likely to have sweeping impacts on the bloc’s policy landscape. Many predict a political shift to the right following similar recent results in national elections, which could usher in a period of heightened Euroscepticism and decreased appetite to tackle climate change and the energy transition from a continental perspective. Next year is a pivotal one for the EU’s climate change progress, with reevaluations of its nationally determined contributions (NDC) and emissions goals expected, so significant political upheaval could have a long-lasting impact. The stakes are high in the upcoming EU election – as the EU strives to remain competitive in the global clean tech market, the rising right-wing populist wave could critically heighten the EU’s risk of falling further behind the US and China. The next few years are critical, and hesitancy or a lack of cohesion could see the bloc lagging its counterparts for decades to come. As things stand, the EU is losing ground and is highly unlikely to reach its lofty goals..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 4 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Reality is checking the growth of the wild Green Mania, truth is triumphing over falsehood. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Europes-Net-Zero-Ambitions-Face-Reality-Check.html "The EU elections are right around the corner, and the results are likely to have sweeping impacts on the bloc’s policy landscape. Many predict a political shift to the right following similar recent results in national elections, which could usher in a period of heightened Euroscepticism and decreased appetite to tackle climate change and the energy transition from a continental perspective. Next year is a pivotal one for the EU’s climate change progress, with reevaluations of its nationally determined contributions (NDC) and emissions goals expected, so significant political upheaval could have a long-lasting impact. The stakes are high in the upcoming EU election – as the EU strives to remain competitive in the global clean tech market, the rising right-wing populist wave could critically heighten the EU’s risk of falling further behind the US and China. The next few years are critical, and hesitancy or a lack of cohesion could see the bloc lagging its counterparts for decades to come. As things stand, the EU is losing ground and is highly unlikely to reach its lofty goals..." and yet the price of oil drops on lack of demand as EU oil consumption is on a long term decline and coal use is at an all time low in the EU thanks to renewables BRENT CRUDE •12 mins 77.88 -0.48 -0.61% truth is triumphing over falsehood...enjoy reality in the EU peak oil happened in the EU 2003 ...guess you can dream all you want that clean energy sources will be replaced with your dirty coal...............and your dream of the great decline in oil demand will reverse...ha ha ha alas here is reality....poof your Luddite filled dreams are just that dreams what do you think of the Oil price?????...................heading for $70 Brent at high speed .....all because of ...........declining demand Coal, in particular, fell by a “staggering” 23%, according to Ember, accounting for just 10% of the EU's electricity generation in May – the lowest share ever recorded.Aug 29, 2023 EU's use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to 'record low' in EU's use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to 'record low ... Carbon Brief https://www.carbonbrief.org › eus-use-of-fossil-fuels-fo... Aug 29, 2023 — The amount of electricity from fossil fuels fell to its lowest level across the EU since records began in the first six months of 2023. Edited June 4 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 4 16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: "The EU elections SNIP... a a long-lasting impact. ... remain competitive in the global clean tech market, What a joke. Elections have zero impact or nearly so. Wind turbines are not a global tech market as very FEW countries have wind, so that remains solar related products and here the most profitable are the Inverters(not solar panels or batteries) and last I checked ZERO are made anywhere other than China as all the components are also made there as the short sighted fools in the USA gave the electronics industry away(literally) to save a couple $$$ in the 80's, 90's to Japan/Korea who then have now outsourced the components to China. There is no "global market" of competitiveness unless one starts putting giant tariffs on components in products forcing the manufacturing of said components back to the west, out of dictatorship countries, and the assembly thereof. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 4 (edited) 39 minutes ago, notsonice said: and yet the price of oil drops on lack of demand as EU oil consumption is on a long term decline and coal use is at an all time low in the EU thanks to renewables truth is triumphing over falsehood...enjoy reality in the EU peak oil happened in the EU 2003 ...guess you can dream all you want that clean energy sources will be replaced with your dirty coal...............and your dream of the great decline in oil demand will reverse...ha ha ha alas here is reality....poof your Luddite filled dreams are just that dreams what do you think of the Oil price?????...................heading for $70 Brent at high speed .....all because of ...........declining demand Coal, in particular, fell by a “staggering” 23%, according to Ember, accounting for just 10% of the EU's electricity generation in May – the lowest share ever recorded.Aug 29, 2023 EU's use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to 'record low' in EU's use of fossil fuels for electricity falls 17% to 'record low ... Carbon Brief https://www.carbonbrief.org › eus-use-of-fossil-fuels-fo... Aug 29, 2023 — The amount of electricity from fossil fuels fell to its lowest level across the EU since records began in the first six months of 2023. Since you are such an "honest" chap and you wouldn't want to LIE via OMISSION ...Go for it big boy, finish your post NG/LNG... Don't be a coward, finish your post bud. Wouldn't want to LIE via omission now... psst... NG has risen by 50% and Eurostat carefully calls LNG a different stat which now comprises ~1/3 of EU consumption so in effect, NG consumption has risen by at least 80%, but pssssstt don't tell anyone. Psst by energy consumed it is near identical to the coal displaced... Gee what a thought... ya don't say Oh yea, add population total ~effectively has not changed in 30 years, but what has: AGEING(old farts use far less fuel as average age in EU has gone from ~34-->44), Fuel car efficiency really kicked in after ~2000 and has risen by roughly 50% Nitrogen use has also stayed steady over those 30+ years. Edited June 4 by footeab@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Since you are such an "honest" chap and you wouldn't want to LIE via OMISSION ...Go for it big boy, finish your post NG/LNG... Don't be a coward, finish your post bud. Wouldn't want to LIE via omission now... psst... NG has risen by 50% and Eurostat carefully calls LNG a different stat which now comprises ~1/3 of EU consumption so in effect, NG consumption has risen by at least 80%, but pssssstt don't tell anyone. Psst by energy consumed it is near identical to the coal displaced... Gee what a thought... ya don't say Oh yea, add population total ~effectively has not changed in 30 years, but what has: AGEING(old farts use far less fuel as average age in EU has gone from ~34-->44), Fuel car efficiency really kicked in after ~2000 and has risen by roughly 50% Nitrogen use has also stayed steady over those 30+ years. NG has risen by 50%????? so what.............. domestic production in the EU/EK has fallen by 50 percent since 2010 post your facts....back them up ....give it a try....instead of your usual BS instead you are babbling BS crap out of your mouth again....does it taste good???? and you received a degree in engineering???? here is the combined nat gas/LNG gas chart ...happy ??? see how much your NG increase is offset by the decrease in domestic production notice the decrease over time overall (same as the other chart ...(which by the way included LNG as all LNG is converted to NG for final consumption). https://www.ajot.com/news/europe-relies-primarily-on-imports-to-meet-its-natural-gas-needsEurope relies primarily on imports to meet its natural gas needs posted by AJOT | Feb 11 2022 at 10:22 AM and the reason the overall Nat gas consumption decreases......less electricity production using Nat gas because of renewables............. Enjoy the Green Agenda.............and enjoy the graphs..................... Edited June 4 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: What a joke. Elections have zero impact or nearly so. Wind turbines are not a global tech market as very FEW countries have wind, so that remains solar related products and here the most profitable are the Inverters(not solar panels or batteries) and last I checked ZERO are made anywhere other than China as all the components are also made there as the short sighted fools in the USA gave the electronics industry away(literally) to save a couple $$$ in the 80's, 90's to Japan/Korea who then have now outsourced the components to China. There is no "global market" of competitiveness unless one starts putting giant tariffs on components in products forcing the manufacturing of said components back to the west, out of dictatorship countries, and the assembly thereof. as very FEW countries have wind???? Dude stop using drugs................. you are babbling BS again.... There are very few places in the world that have winds of less than 4 m/s ...what one would call windless areas. Blue areas in the map below...Guess if you are living in the Amazon rain forest and are looking for a windy area ...good luck and winds of between 6 m/s second to 9 m/s ????? which are areas that are good for wind turbines ....are represented in the graph below with yellow to dark red regions ...there is no lack of great spots in most of the countries in the world for wind turbines. Of course you place wind farms where winds are of good speed and persistent. Wind turbines are not a global tech market??????????????? you are a moron Good places for wind turbines are where the annual average wind speed is at least 9 miles per hour (mph)—or 4.0 meters per second (m/s)—for small wind turbines and 13 mph (5.8 m/s) for utility-scale turbines. Wind explained Where wind power is harnessed - EIA U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov) https://www.eia.gov › energyexplained › where- Edited June 4 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 4 Brought to you by the Green Agenda EU’s fossil fuel CO2 emissions drop to levels last seen in the 1960s https://energypost.eu/eus-fossil-fuel-co2-emissions-drop-to-levels-last-seen-in-the-1960s/ February 6, 2024 by CREA The EU’s CO2 emissions from fossil fuels (including power generation, industry and transport) dropped 8% in 2023 year-on-year, reaching levels last seen in the early 1960s, reveals an analysis by CREA. More than half of that decline came from an impressive 25% year-on-year reduction in CO2 emissions from power generation. The cleaner electricity mix is thanks to the continuous rise of wind and solar as well as a rebound in hydropower and nuclear. The analysis breaks down the contributions of oil, gas and coal, industry and transport, as well as the decrease in total electricity demand and favourable weather conditions. CREA is keen to emphasise that further investments in renewable energy infrastructure and technologies will be needed to help maintain this momentum. Key findings The EU’s CO2 emissions from fossil fuels saw a year-on-year drop of 8% in 2023, reaching levels unseen since the early 1960s. This is the second steepest decline observed since the emissions drop in 2020 which was heavily influenced by the COVID-19 pandemic. More than half of the decline (56%) stems from a cleaner electricity mix, with the continuous rise of wind and solar capacity as well as a rebound in hydropower and nuclear availability. The EU achieved a notable 25% year-on-year reduction in CO2 emissions from power generation, while other sectors declined by 4%. EU’s CO2 emissions from coal have halved since 2015, and saw a year-on-year decrease of 25%. Gas-related emissions declined by 11%, and oil emissions by 2%, compared to the previous year. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 4 Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/lng/053124-india-heat-wave-drives-up-gas-based-power-generation-and-lng-demand "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP June 4 20 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/lng/053124-india-heat-wave-drives-up-gas-based-power-generation-and-lng-demand "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." Coal share in the powergen mix is reducing slightly The following are the key trends (in 2024) for the India power and renewables market: Clean energy transition is advancing; however, reliance on coal will remain high: Electricity demand is expected to grow in tandem with GDP growth, primarily spurred by increase in local activity due to general elections and impact of El-nino during first half of the year. With a 60% yoy growth in total capacity addition, share of coal in generation is expected to decrease marginally from 74.3% in 2023 to 73.2% in 2024 primarily driven by aggressive capacity addition on non-fossil fuel. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 4 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels So you want to be like India now? You keep mentioning these places with terrible air quality. Hmmm... *cough* *coal* *cough* https://www.iqair.com/ca/india Edited June 4 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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