TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 19 Hanumangarh, India is 408 (Hazardous)! Try to keep up Texas! They are way more polluted than you! Burn, baby, burn! Make America Like India! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 19 Next the USA will brag that their pollution death rates are lower than "the world." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIQ3igNzuNo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 June 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Meanwhile in oil country (Go Oilers!) the air quality is 20 (good). We stopped burning coal. Yeah, I got a couple missing teeth thanks to that game. By all means, Go Oilers! Florida is NOT ice hockey territory! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5I_zaqM8LM Edited June 19 by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 Oil demand is now surpassing all-time highs...coal demand is healthy and oil demand is robust. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Loses-Traction-As-Traders-Focus-on-Geopolitical-Situation.html "In a report released on Tuesday, Standard Chartered put actual April oil demand at 101.77 million barrels per day, or 470,000 bpd higher than its previous forecast. Previously, Standard Chartered forecast that global oil demand would reach a new all-time record in May and then go beyond that in June. With the Tuesday report, the analysts are reiterating that forecast, even slightly revising their May and June demand projections upwards. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 20 22 hours ago, turbguy said: Hit that nail right on the head. The treatment of Anthony Fauci is a current "best example". Lets see against USA law, funded gain of function via labs outside the USA, and then LIED about it--> he should be in jail Made up out of whole cloth ~2m/6ft rule with zero science: Admitted so Made up out of whole cloth Mask baloney with zero science behind declaration: Admitted so. Made up out of whole cloth the lie about Ivermectin or at minimum helped push it as a lie--> Why? Owns how much stock in a couple certain companies..... and certain patents... Ding Ding Ding He should at minimum be in jail, if not stretching his neck from the beam in front of entryway of the capital building 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 20 (edited) 10 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Lets see against USA law, funded gain of function via labs outside the USA, and then LIED about it--> he should be in jail Made up out of whole cloth ~2m/6ft rule with zero science: Admitted so Made up out of whole cloth Mask baloney with zero science behind declaration: Admitted so. Made up out of whole cloth the lie about Ivermectin or at minimum helped push it as a lie--> Why? Owns how much stock in a couple certain companies..... and certain patents... Ding Ding Ding He should at minimum be in jail, if not stretching his neck from the beam in front of entryway of the capital building @selva , this post is okay??? advocating lynching of public officials in the US????? if not stretching his neck from the beam in front of entryway of the capital building???? You have to be kidding me........... It is against the law to advocate the lynching of any person in the United States Public Law No: 117-107 (03/29/2022) Emmett Till Antilynching Act This bill makes lynching a federal hate crime offense. Specifically, the bill imposes criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 30 years, or both—on an individual who conspires to commit a hate crime offense that results in death or serious bodily injury or that includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill. his posts routinely have nothing to do with energy ..............and you are okay with this?????? Edited June 20 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 20 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said: coal demand is healthy and oil demand is robust. Coal demand may be "healthy" in some areas but coal itself is unhealthy. Here in heart of Oil Country the last power plant using coal has been transitioned to natural gas. Coal is officially done. Back in 2000 we were 80% energy from coal, phase-out started in 2015 with a target completion goal of 2030. The energy industry did the transition ahead of schedule. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-genesee-2-offline-is-this-end-of-coal-power-1.7237703 Here is a fun fact about using the poison known as coal for fuel. A coal power plant releases way more radiation than a nuclear power plants. Wild eh? "In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy." Our source for this statistic is Dana Christensen, an associate lab director for energy and engineering at Oak Ridge National Laboratory as well as 1978 paper in Science authored by J. P. McBride and colleagues, also of ORNL." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 (edited) Here is what happens in Washington, billions get allocated and nothing happens. https://www.isidewith.com/discuss/5178591494 Edited June 20 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Coal demand may be "healthy" in some areas but coal itself is unhealthy. Here in heart of Oil Country the last power plant using coal has been transitioned to natural gas. Coal is officially done. Back in 2000 we were 80% energy from coal, phase-out started in 2015 with a target completion goal of 2030. The energy industry did the transition ahead of schedule. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-genesee-2-offline-is-this-end-of-coal-power-1.7237703 Here is a fun fact about using the poison known as coal for fuel. A coal power plant releases way more radiation than a nuclear power plants. Wild eh? "In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy." Our source for this statistic is Dana Christensen, an associate lab director for energy and engineering at Oak Ridge National Laboratory as well as 1978 paper in Science authored by J. P. McBride and colleagues, also of ORNL." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/ Of course, coal has advantages over nuclear...less public panic, less costly, more reliable than renewable energy, less disaster if something goes wrong. As reported above for India, "More coal-fired units were fired up at the start of the year in the country, amid a prolonged heat wave with above-normal temperatures which pushed electricity consumption higher...India raised the share of coal in its power generation in April as sharply lower hydropower output has threatened blackouts" Demand for coal and oil is still reaching new highs. Edited June 20 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 20 56 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: India raised the share of coal in its power generation in April as sharply lower hydropower output has threatened blackouts" Demand for coal and oil is still reaching new highs. India has garbage air quality. You continue to ignore that toxic reality. Once again, I will show you real-time air quality data in India. Please do not make any claims that modern tech has cleaned up coal when it has not. Plenty of evidence that coal remains filthy. Is it as bad as it was back when you could smoke in front of children in a public restaurant? No, but do you really want that situation for your children or other loved ones? Times change, occasionally for the better. https://www.iqair.com/ca/india Have you considered moving to India? That would be great, take your pro-pollution agenda to where it is wanted! There is probably some very cheap land for sale near a coal power plant there. You seem to think the cheapest stuff is good, and don't fear pollution, so using Ecocharger "logic" it makes sense for you to move there. Consider it, cheap and full of ever expanding amounts of coal pollution. Ideal place for you to live. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Of course, coal has advantages over nuclear...less public panic, less costly, more reliable than renewable energy, less disaster if something goes wrong. As reported above for India, "More coal-fired units were fired up at the start of the year in the country, amid a prolonged heat wave with above-normal temperatures which pushed electricity consumption higher...India raised the share of coal in its power generation in April as sharply lower hydropower output has threatened blackouts" Demand for coal and oil is still reaching new highs. Demand for coal and oil is still reaching new highs.?????? you are living in the past at the current rate of expanding EV sales in China....(20 percent annualized increase in market share is just the last 6 months) China will be at over 90 percent new cars sales being EVs in just 36 months at the rate the EV sales are going. You can bet China new car dealers are not taking ICE clunkers for trade ins Oil demand in your beloved China is cratering...Enjoy the Green Agenda brought to you one billion solar panels a year and an EV only China (coming to you in 2026) PS China government is paying cash for clunkers...... CnEVPost CPCA expects China's Jun NEV retail at 860000, with record 49.1% penetration China's June retail sales of NEVs are set to be the second highest on record, further approaching last December's record high. . 11 hours ago CarNewsChina.com China EV registrations in W24: Xiaomi 2,500, Nio 3,400, Tesla 11,700, BYD 57,200 In week 24 of the year (June 10 - 16), the China EV market had mixed signals. Xiaomi sales increased by 20% compared with the week before,... . 2 days ago Australian Broadcasting Corporation Chinese electric cars flood Australian market, benefiting consumers but raising concerns Chinese-made electric cars are gaining popularity as a cheaper alternative to brand names like Tesla, and Australia is benefiting from the... . 1 week ago Ars Technica China's plan to dominate EV sales around the world US tariffs and European backlash have Chinese carmakers eyeing emerging markets. . 2 weeks ago Reuters China's Nio expects second-quarter EV sales to more than double Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio said on Thursday it expected deliveries in the second quarter to more than double from a year earlier to... . 2 weeks ago Electrek BYD nearly tops all-time sales record in May as EV price cuts boost demand China's leading EV maker, BYD, nearly reached a new sales record in May after aggressive price cuts took effect. . 2 weeks ago Edited June 20 by notsonice 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: India has garbage air quality. You continue to ignore that toxic reality. Once again, I will show you real-time air quality data in India. Please do not make any claims that modern tech has cleaned up coal when it has not. Plenty of evidence that coal remains filthy. Is it as bad as it was back when you could smoke in front of children in a public restaurant? No, but do you really want that situation for your children or other loved ones? Times change, occasionally for the better. https://www.iqair.com/ca/india Have you considered moving to India? That would be great, take your pro-pollution agenda to where it is wanted! There is probably some very cheap land for sale near a coal power plant there. You seem to think the cheapest stuff is good, and don't fear pollution, so using Ecocharger "logic" it makes sense for you to move there. Consider it, cheap and full of ever expanding amounts of coal pollution. Ideal place for you to live. As neither you nor I live in India, it is academic. They make their own decisions. It is rather arrogant to attempt to impose external values on some other country. Especially if we insist on consuming increasing amounts of fossil fuels ourselves while trying to prevent others from using them. Edited June 20 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 1 hour ago, notsonice said: Demand for coal and oil is still reaching new highs.?????? you are living in the past at the current rate of expanding EV sales in China....(20 percent annualized increase in market share is just the last 6 months) China will be at over 90 percent new cars sales being EVs in just 36 months at the rate the EV sales are going. You can bet China new car dealers are not taking ICE clunkers for trade ins Oil demand in your beloved China is cratering...Enjoy the Green Agenda brought to you one billion solar panels a year and an EV only China (coming to you in 2026) PS China government is paying cash for clunkers...... CnEVPost CPCA expects China's Jun NEV retail at 860000, with record 49.1% penetration China's June retail sales of NEVs are set to be the second highest on record, further approaching last December's record high. . 11 hours ago CarNewsChina.com China EV registrations in W24: Xiaomi 2,500, Nio 3,400, Tesla 11,700, BYD 57,200 In week 24 of the year (June 10 - 16), the China EV market had mixed signals. Xiaomi sales increased by 20% compared with the week before,... . 2 days ago Australian Broadcasting Corporation Chinese electric cars flood Australian market, benefiting consumers but raising concerns Chinese-made electric cars are gaining popularity as a cheaper alternative to brand names like Tesla, and Australia is benefiting from the... . 1 week ago Ars Technica China's plan to dominate EV sales around the world US tariffs and European backlash have Chinese carmakers eyeing emerging markets. . 2 weeks ago Reuters China's Nio expects second-quarter EV sales to more than double Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio said on Thursday it expected deliveries in the second quarter to more than double from a year earlier to... . 2 weeks ago Electrek BYD nearly tops all-time sales record in May as EV price cuts boost demand China's leading EV maker, BYD, nearly reached a new sales record in May after aggressive price cuts took effect. . 2 weeks ago EVs are cratering in the second-hand market, no one wants those clunkers after the first use. EVs are losing market share to fossil fuel cars in Europe and America...wake up and smell the coffee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: EVs are cratering in the second-hand market, no one wants those clunkers after the first use. EVs are losing market share to fossil fuel cars in Europe and America...wake up and smell the coffee. and you post nothing to back up your BS claims as usual... I have not heard of anyone scraping an EV due to your so called cratering...... EVs are losing market share to fossil fuel cars in Europe and America???????? you should look at what is happening before you try to BS yourself InsideEVs U.S. EV Registrations Jumped In April 2024. But Tesla Is Sinking April turned out to be one of the best months ever for all-electric car sales in the United States, with a six-digit number of first... . 4 hours ago Cox Automotive Inc. A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book A record 1.2 million U.S. vehicle buyers chose to go electric last year, according to estimates from Kelley Blue Book, a Cox Automotive... . Jan 9, 2024 The Korea Herald Hyundai to start Georgia EV plant, unlocking IRA benefits Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, Hyundai Motor Group's new electric vehicle plant in Georgia, will begin production later this year,... . 17 hours ago Edited June 20 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 20 (edited) 26 minutes ago, notsonice said: and you post nothing to back up your BS claims as usual... I have not heard of anyone scraping an EV due to your so called cratering...... EVs are losing market share to fossil fuel cars in Europe and America???????? you should look at what is happening before you try to BS yourself InsideEVs U.S. EV Registrations Jumped In April 2024. But Tesla Is Sinking April turned out to be one of the best months ever for all-electric car sales in the United States, with a six-digit number of first... . 4 hours ago Cox Automotive Inc. A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book A record 1.2 million U.S. vehicle buyers chose to go electric last year, according to estimates from Kelley Blue Book, a Cox Automotive... . Jan 9, 2024 The Korea Herald Hyundai to start Georgia EV plant, unlocking IRA benefits Hyundai Motor Group Metaplant America, Hyundai Motor Group's new electric vehicle plant in Georgia, will begin production later this year,... . 17 hours ago None of your links above is relevant to the point (no surprise). EVs are continuing to lose market share to fossil fuel vehicles. "the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) revealed the steep dip in private retail demand, The trade body said it now expected battery electric models' market share to reduce to 21 per cent in 2024, down from a previous 23.3 per cent forecast." EVs are cratering in the second hand market, no one wants those clunkers after the first use. "The value of a used Tesla fell by more than $1,000 on average in the first half of January" EVs are losing market share to fossil fuel cars in Europe and America...the game is up. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13433765/ev-driven-gas-cars-charging-stations.html "Electric vehicles cost 63.6 percent more for every 1,000 miles driven per year compared to gasoline cars." "The average cost of an electric car for every 1,000 miles driven per year is $5,108 - compared to $3,056 for a hybrid car, $3,123 for a gasoline car and $4,351 for a plug in hybrid." Governments which try to force the EV agenda are in political trouble. Times have changed indeed. The governments which have bought the foolish lines about climate change deserve to be turfed out. Edited June 20 by Ecocharger 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 20 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: As neither you nor I live in India, it is academic. They make their own decisions. It is rather arrogant to attempt to impose external values on some other country. Especially if we insist on consuming increasing amounts of fossil fuels ourselves while trying to prevent others from using them. I was still talking about coal. You promote coal, almost seem proud that it is still being used by poor nations for some reason. Being "rather arrogant [and] attempt to impose external values on some other country" is the most American thing you can do. Did you miss the part where my province has completely phased-out coal fuelled power generation and are enjoying superior air quality? We are just doing it better; choose a path, do you want to come up to our level or go down to theirs? The much cleaner natural gas we use instead is also cheap and widely available so there is no justification for filthy coal power generation in a wealthy nation. Go Oilers! Florida can have a lump of coal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 June 20 4 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: I was still talking about coal. You promote coal, almost seem proud that it is still being used by poor nations for some reason. Being "rather arrogant [and] attempt to impose external values on some other country" is the most American thing you can do. Did you miss the part where my province has completely phased-out coal fuelled power generation and are enjoying superior air quality? We are just doing it better; choose a path, do you want to come up to our level or go down to theirs? The much cleaner natural gas we use instead is also cheap and widely available so there is no justification for filthy coal power generation in a wealthy nation. Go Oilers! Florida can have a lump of coal. India clearly needs more coal power: They want to live longer lives just like people in other coal burning countries who have power and modern life expectancy rates. Anyone trying to keep other nations from developing coal power and longer lives is effectively a murderer. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE June 21 39 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: India clearly needs more coal power: They want to live longer lives just like people in other coal burning countries who have power and modern life expectancy rates. Anyone trying to keep other nations from developing coal power and longer lives is effectively a murderer. You also ignore the massive pollution problems they have. Clean air and water is priceless. You will understand when the cancer or cardiovascular disease gets you. I imagine you live near coal power plants or else your pro-coal nonsense would be rather hypocritical. Breathe in that healthy coal exhaust, please; the faster fossil-humans go away the faster we progress. I can only show the air quality data so many times before it is pointless. You want to ignore all the poison and even pretend it is healthy - go ahead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ June 22 The US burns this weekend from oil and gas C02. Millions are realizing what has happened. It is time to hold oil companies and coal companies accountable. Your lies will be ignored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 23 (edited) On 6/20/2024 at 7:49 PM, TailingsPond said: I was still talking about coal. You promote coal, almost seem proud that it is still being used by poor nations for some reason. Being "rather arrogant [and] attempt to impose external values on some other country" is the most American thing you can do. Did you miss the part where my province has completely phased-out coal fuelled power generation and are enjoying superior air quality? We are just doing it better; choose a path, do you want to come up to our level or go down to theirs? The much cleaner natural gas we use instead is also cheap and widely available so there is no justification for filthy coal power generation in a wealthy nation. Go Oilers! Florida can have a lump of coal. Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world, but we are strangely asking the underdeveloped world to stop using fossil fuels just as they are beginning to need them. That is arrogance. Let them decide for themselves what they want. Edited June 23 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world, but we are strangely asking the underdeveloped world to stop using fossil fuels just as they are beginning to need them. That is arrogance. Let them decide for themselves what they want. Pesky Green agenda....love it when it sticks it to the Oil lovers Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world????? last I checked oil demand in China is cratering (demand for the first 5 months is less than demand for the first 5 months of 2023) Demand in China has dropped by 400,000 BPD this year and at the same time the China economy is expanding at a 5 percent rate. and all you are left with is your COVID deadcat bounce... Subtract out the massive inventory build happening in China right now, estimated at 1 million BPD and your left with failing Oil consumption on a massive scale in China and globally you are back at 100 MBD no different than 2019 EVs are now 50 percent of new car sales in China........and going to hit 60 percent at the year end....and diesel demand in China is now down by 10 percent this year Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world??? and your whole comment was based on China????........as it was the only country with increases in Oil demand in 2023 ...please see chart below Please note India is on the chart with no increase in demand 2019...(actual decrease in 2023 from 2019) when you fill in the holes (30 out of 36 months of less than 100 million BPD) in oil demand left during covid/post covid from Jan 2020 to Jan 2023 with the deadcat bounce in 2023 you are still left with overall demand less than 2019 which was 100.5 MBD 2024 was your big Year for oil ????? ha ha ha the story of the year is EVs have taken over the China car market, which is the biggest car market in the world.....and all it will do is send your global oil demand down down down down.........unless you think EVs are a fad in China more ha ha ha THUNDER SAID ENERGY the research consultancy for energy technologies Edited June 23 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL June 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, notsonice said: Pesky Green agenda....love it when it sticks it to the Oil lovers Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world????? last I checked oil demand in China is cratering (demand for the first 5 months is less than demand for the first 5 months of 2023) Demand in China has dropped by 400,000 BPD this year and at the same time the China economy is expanding at a 5 percent rate. and all you are left with is your COVID deadcat bounce... Subtract out the massive inventory build happening in China right now, estimated at 1 million BPD and your left with failing Oil consumption on a massive scale in China and globally you are back at 100 MBD no different than 2019 EVs are now 50 percent of new car sales in China........and going to hit 60 percent at the year end....and diesel demand in China is now down by 10 percent this year Fossil fuels are still increasing in demand in the developed world??? and your whole comment was based on China????........as it was the only country with increases in Oil demand in 2023 ...please see chart below Please note India is on the chart with no increase in demand 2019...(actual decrease in 2023 from 2019) when you fill in the holes (30 out of 36 months of less than 100 million BPD) in oil demand left during covid/post covid from Jan 2020 to Jan 2023 with the deadcat bounce in 2023 you are still left with overall demand less than 2019 which was 100.5 MBD 2024 was your big Year for oil ????? ha ha ha the story of the year is EVs have taken over the China car market, which is the biggest car market in the world.....and all it will do is send your global oil demand down down down down.........unless you think EVs are a fad in China more ha ha ha THUNDER SAID ENERGY the research consultancy for energy technologies Yah, that looks like rising oil demand for 2023, just as we said earlier. All-time highs and projected to keep increasing into the future. Hurts, don't it? When the Biden financial meltdown inevitably comes, sooner rather than later, the artificial supports for EVs will collapse and EVs will become something for the curious to gawk at in museums. Edited June 24 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 24 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Yah, that looks like rising oil demand for 2023, just as we said earlier. All-time highs and projected to keep increasing into the future. Hurts, don't it? When the Biden financial meltdown inevitably comes, sooner rather than later, the artificial supports for EVs will collapse and EVs will become something for the curious to gawk at in museums. Booming oil demand and yet today Citi Forecasts Oil Price Drop to $60s by 2025 By Tsvetana Paraskova - Jun 22, 2024, 6:00 PM CDT enjoy the read reality ..................growth in oil demand has gone nowhere since 2019 and now EV sales are decimating the Oil market in China Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM June 24 Reuters Chinese automakers retain grip over Southeast Asia's booming electric car market BANGKOK, June 21 (Reuters) - Electric vehicle sales are surging in Southeast Asia, led by China's BYD (002594. . 3 days ago East Asia Forum China’s EV drive accelerates in Latin America As the United States increases tariffs and the EU considers protective measures, China is rapidly expanding its EV market and investments in... . 3 days ago Nikkei Asia German automakers pressure EU leaders to drop China EV tariffs HAMBURG, Germany -- German automakers and industry associations are calling on the European Commission (EC) to roll back a threat to slap... . 2 days ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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