TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 4 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: However, there has been very little response to reduced outdoor particulates, indicating that indoor solid fuels is the major contributor to health issues. Reduced indoor pollution has resulted in major reductions of morbidity and probably mortality (one follows the other). So there is no indication that PM2.5 is a significant driver of mortality or morbidity statistics. You contradict yourself in your own post. An outdoor PM2.5 particle from solid fuels is essentially the same as an indoor particle from solid fuels. Incomplete combustion from any form of hydrocarbon (be it wood, coal, oil, etc.) will make similar pollutants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 5 (edited) Looks like the Conservatives, with their Luddite base, in the UK need to rethink their love for fossil fuels Bloomberg.com Climate Change: UK Election Result a Success for Labour's Green Agenda - Bloomberg 12 hours ago The Guardian ‘Keir Starmer take note’: UK’s green transition must start now, say experts 3 hours ago Financial News London Labour government is chance for ‘reset’ on UK’s green agenda, City’s ESG experts say 1 day ago More news Project Climate Vote: how the UK's climate majority found ... Greenpeace UK https://www.greenpeace.org.uk › news › project-climate... 8 hours ago — As the 2024 election approached and climate disasters piled up, over 200,000 Climate Voters worked together to push climate and nature up the ... Climate Change & the Environment polls & surveys YouGov https://yougov.co.uk › topics › politics › explore › topic Jun 24, 2024 — Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Climate Change & the Environment. Missing: agenda | Show results with: agenda Labour has a bright green mandate, now it needs to use it Business Green https://www.businessgreen.com › blog-post › labour-bri... 5 hours ago — The new government's climate plans are bolder and more radical than many people realise - it now has a duty to put them into action. Greens look forward to tectonic plates of British politics ... Green Party https://greenparty.org.uk › News 23 hours ago — As the polls close, Green Party Co-leader Adrian Ramsay, who is standing in Waveney Valley, said: “Tonight, Greens are on the brink of new ... Edited July 5 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 5 The story of EVs, https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/EV-Maker-Polestar-Struggles-With-Hefty-Import-Tariffs-on-Chinese-made-Cars.html "Polestar, like other EV makers, faces declining demand due to a price war initiated by Tesla last year, causing many to struggle with unsold inventory. In the second quarter, Polestar delivered around 13,000 cars, missing Bernstein's forecast of 15,500." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 5 On 7/4/2024 at 2:29 PM, TailingsPond said: You contradict yourself in your own post. An outdoor PM2.5 particle from solid fuels is essentially the same as an indoor particle from solid fuels. Incomplete combustion from any form of hydrocarbon (be it wood, coal, oil, etc.) will make similar pollutants. There is different decline profile, as I showed above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 5 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: There is different decline profile, as I showed above. You did not, you may have think you did. You still dodge the question. What forms of pollution would you accept regulatory restrictions? You seem to support all forms of pollution. Oh also what day is the reckoning happening and what is going to happen. I still can't "mark your words" as you predicted nothing. Pretty simple questions bud. Try answering some. Are you and Eyes shut the same account or something? Any day now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 5 (edited) Just think of some forms of pollution you dislike. A really simple question. For example, can I dump a sharp waste container full of used needles and a truckload of liquid pig waste on your lawn? Would you require a longitudinal study to know that is a bad idea? Probably not. You could wait until the diseases present themselves in your family but that would be silly. Common logic is all that is needed here. Things that make you cough are bad, simple. Go breathe some smoke and get back to me. Edited July 5 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 6 Eco logic says that if you like bacon you should allow some pig shit to be put on your lawn. However, do not concern yourself because shit emissions are trending down and your family won't immediately get sick. If you eat bacon and don't allow the pig shit externality from the pork industry you are a hypocrite. That is the way fossil fuels work except people can choose not to eat pork - and should be exempt from their share of the pig shit. Most people have no choice but to breathe polluted air. Sadly, the best way to avoid polluted air is to stay inside with closed windows and run filtered air conditioning which makes more air pollution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 6 38 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Eco logic says that if you like bacon you should allow some pig shit to be put on your lawn. However, do not concern yourself because shit emissions are trending down and your family won't immediately get sick. If you eat bacon and don't allow the pig shit externality from the pork industry you are a hypocrite. That is the way fossil fuels work except people can choose not to eat pork - and should be exempt from their share of the pig shit. Most people have no choice but to breathe polluted air. Sadly, the best way to avoid polluted air is to stay inside with closed windows and run filtered air conditioning which makes more air pollution. Read the data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 6 10 hours ago, notsonice said: Looks like the Conservatives, with their Luddite base, in the UK need to rethink their love for fossil fuels Bloomberg.com Climate Change: UK Election Result a Success for Labour's Green Agenda - Bloomberg 12 hours ago The Guardian ‘Keir Starmer take note’: UK’s green transition must start now, say experts 3 hours ago Financial News London Labour government is chance for ‘reset’ on UK’s green agenda, City’s ESG experts say 1 day ago More news Project Climate Vote: how the UK's climate majority found ... Greenpeace UK https://www.greenpeace.org.uk › news › project-climate... 8 hours ago — As the 2024 election approached and climate disasters piled up, over 200,000 Climate Voters worked together to push climate and nature up the ... Climate Change & the Environment polls & surveys YouGov https://yougov.co.uk › topics › politics › explore › topic Jun 24, 2024 — Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Climate Change & the Environment. Missing: agenda | Show results with: agenda Labour has a bright green mandate, now it needs to use it Business Green https://www.businessgreen.com › blog-post › labour-bri... 5 hours ago — The new government's climate plans are bolder and more radical than many people realise - it now has a duty to put them into action. Greens look forward to tectonic plates of British politics ... Green Party https://greenparty.org.uk › News 23 hours ago — As the polls close, Green Party Co-leader Adrian Ramsay, who is standing in Waveney Valley, said: “Tonight, Greens are on the brink of new ... A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 6 On 7/4/2024 at 1:15 PM, Polyphia said: Scientific consensus is what the majority of scientists agree on at a particular point in time given the existing evidence. It is not a political term. And in no way is it true that the consensus cannot be/should not be challenged. We need to keep searching for better and more complete explanations, and good scientists do exactly that. No, there is no science "consensus" on climate or any science issue, things are in flux all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. you sound upset with the election results in the UK........... Luddite........you keep dreaming that the clock is going to be turned back to 1970 did you notice that Coal is no longer used in the UK???? and Nat Gas use is declining rapidly........ Enjoy the Green Revolution Sunak's Government was dissolved yesterday..........your dream is dead..and Buried Greenpeace UK Sunak’s anti-green agenda buried in landslide victory General election results show a genuine appetite from voters for much stronger green policies from the government, Greenpeace UK said. . 23 hours ago https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/sunaks-divisive-anti-green-agenda-buried-in-landslide-victory/ Edited July 6 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 6 Energy Digital Magazine EU Energy Revolution as Electricity Generation Greenest Ever The generation of clean electricity in Europe is setting records as renewables make up more than half of all power generation in the first... . 22 hours ago https://energydigital.com/articles/eu-energy-revolution-as-electricity-generation-greenest-ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 83 LT July 7 16 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No, there is no science "consensus" on climate or any science issue, things are in flux all the time. As others have noted, either your reading/general comprehension skills are lacking or you just enjoy gaslighting the crap out of everyone. Either way, you are wrong, almost everyone else knows it (with the exception of your fellow gas-lighters), and I am happy to leave it at that. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 7 17 hours ago, Ecocharger said: A recipe for Green Bankruptcy, which will bring the revolution to a jarring halt. Any day now! What and when will happen again? I still can't "mark your words" if you predict nothing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Read the data. Look at real-time air pollution numbers, look at the research. The air is dirtiest in oil and gas territory and there is zero doubt that PM2.5 causes a whole slew of illness. You can't win the toxins argument bud, argue about climate change all you want, but the toxic data is very clear. Fossil fuels --> air pollution --> air pollution related deaths. https://www.iqair.com/ca/usa/texas https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=PM+2.5+human+health Look at smog, you can see the pollution with your own eyes. Do you deny your own eyes? Edited July 7 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 July 7 18 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Look at real-time air pollution numbers, look at the research. The air is dirtiest in oil and gas territory and there is zero doubt that PM2.5 causes a whole slew of illness. You can't win the toxins argument bud, argue about climate change all you want, but the toxic data is very clear. Fossil fuels --> air pollution --> air pollution related deaths. https://www.iqair.com/ca/usa/texas https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=PM+2.5+human+health Look at smog, you can see the pollution with your own eyes. Do you deny your own eyes? Ah, scum on the pond is burning strawmen again... Post a picture of an Indian coal plant that has a Sulpher/particulate filter on it... Good Luck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Post a picture of an Indian coal plant that has a Sulpher/particulate filter on it... Good Luck You can find plenty of pictures of pollution made in the USA. Not my job to be your Google image search. Also remember, Eco and others want to emulate India and China. It's like he is jealous of their terribly polluted air. Scrubbers do not fix everything despite your fantasies. There is a reason why even "modernized" coal power plants are being retrofitted to gas or closed down, as gas plants outperform the even the best coal plants. According to some here natural gas is essentially free so it should be a no-brainier to stop using coal. Natural gas won't stop CO2 but at least it cuts down on toxic emissions drastically. This is Texas: Edited July 7 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Look at real-time air pollution numbers, look at the research. The air is dirtiest in oil and gas territory and there is zero doubt that PM2.5 causes a whole slew of illness. You can't win the toxins argument bud, argue about climate change all you want, but the toxic data is very clear. Fossil fuels --> air pollution --> air pollution related deaths. https://www.iqair.com/ca/usa/texas https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=PM+2.5+human+health Look at smog, you can see the pollution with your own eyes. Do you deny your own eyes? Read the data, the reduction in mortality results is due to the reduction in indoor solid fuels , not the reduction in PM2.5. It would seem that some other variable is involved, perhaps smoking, so the extreme elimination of PM2.5 has not resulted in mortality reduction. Strange how you continually fail to see that. Agenda based science always fails. Edited July 7 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 7 23 hours ago, Polyphia said: As others have noted, either your reading/general comprehension skills are lacking or you just enjoy gaslighting the crap out of everyone. Either way, you are wrong, almost everyone else knows it (with the exception of your fellow gas-lighters), and I am happy to leave it at that. You are obviously unaware of how science works. It is on the edges of science where the new theories and research are tested. Darwin was on the fringe for decades, but that is how science changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 7 23 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Any day now! What and when will happen again? I still can't "mark your words" if you predict nothing. You tell me what future government policy will be, and I will give you a firmer date. Go ahead, I am listening! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 July 8 (edited) 23 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Any day now! What and when will happen again? I still can't "mark your words" if you predict nothing. It would seem quite apparent Doomsday has arrived. The Supreme Court Overturns the Chevron Doctrine, Gutting Federal Environmental Protections Scrapping the legal precedent could send a "convulsive shock" to decades of federal environmental, financial, and health-care regulations The Supreme Court on Friday threw into question the future of climate and environmental regulation in the United States, scrapping a decades-old legal precedent that gave federal agencies leeway to interpret laws according to their expertise and scientific evidence. The impact of the decision to scrap the so-called Chevron deference will take years to become clear, but it could allow for far more legal challenges against regulations by agencies like the EPA and the Department of the Interior that have a huge role in the climate fight. https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/supreme-court-overturns-chevron-doctrine-gutting-federal-environmental-protections Edited July 8 by Eyes Wide Open 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 8 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: It would seem quite apparent Doomsday has arrived. The Supreme Court Overturns the Chevron Doctrine, Gutting Federal Environmental Protections Do you think that ruling will change the rest of the world? Edited July 8 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: It would seem quite apparent Doomsday has arrived. So at least we know what your "any day now means." Jack crap. Release the Kraken! Edited July 8 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 8 12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The impact of the decision to scrap the so-called Chevron deference will take years to become clear, but it could allow for far more legal challenges against regulations by agencies like the EPA and the Department of the Interior that have a huge role in the climate fight. If you read that doomsday is at best years away. Any day now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE July 8 "Gutting Federal Environmental Protections" Only fools who don't care about their families well-being would be happy about gutting of environmental protections. Do you understand that you live in the environment? More pollution for you, your kids, and grand kids! Yay! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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