TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 https://www.investopedia.com/trading/support-and-resistance-basics/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP October 15 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Let's compare EVs (Tesla) and Ecochargers oil stock pick of Occidental petroleum. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=oxy+stock OXY -21% last 6 months https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=tesla+stock+price TSLA +35% last 6 months Kind of hard to blame the economy Mr economist. Any day now! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 15 (edited) 6 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Let's compare EVs (Tesla) and Ecochargers oil stock pick of Occidental petroleum. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=oxy+stock OXY -21% last 6 months https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=tesla+stock+price TSLA +35% last 6 months Kind of hard to blame the economy Mr economist. Not relevant at all...your EVs are failing badly and going down, no one wants them. That always figured to be a mere niche market, and so it is. Mr. Non-economist. Edited October 15 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,555 October 15 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The key word is "rare".... Yup. Sanity is somewhat rare these days. Particularly in Florida. They are gonna have to spend big $ to improve the electrical distribution system. Right now, some of it is a "patch it up" job, and we'll return later to fix it proper. Edited October 15 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: your EVs are failing badly and going down, no one wants them. Mr. Non-economist. Sounding like trump there. You think a Trump election win will help or hurt EVs after Musk bought him? Do you know that Occidental petroleum, that Buffett went long on, business model is based on carbon credit profits? Are you a better at predicting the economy than Warren Buffett? Do you think a super rich investor might have some powerful lobbyists manipulating policy? Gates is all for it too. The richest people in the USA want EVs and carbon credits. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oxy-Strikes-Carbon-Credit-Deal-With-Microsoft.html Edited October 15 by TailingsPond 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 How is that oil price doing? "So much demand. Huge, huge demand. They lie, they lie. Oil is doing great. You should see all the oil. You have never seen oil like this." Simple minds.... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 38 minutes ago, turbguy said: Particularly in Florida. They are gonna have to spend big $ to improve the electrical distribution system. Maybe when they replace all the storm damage they will learn and improve. However, it is Florida so I doubt it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM October 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Not relevant at all...your EVs are failing badly and going down, no one wants them. That always figured to be a mere niche market, and so it is. Mr. Non-economist. only in you and your pal old dickheads trailer parks are EV sales failing badly and going down.... then again when you buy old clunkers to begin with.......and piss away your whole allowance on putting a few gallons in the tank, buying a modern vehicle produced in the last few years is just not going to happen , is it? ... I do understand why you would be so jealous of those that are stepping up and dumping clunkers for EV's and try to paint EV sales as failing badly. It is natural that Luddites will try to downplay new Tech and how it is so much better than your Clunker world. then there is reality everywhere else EV sales are picking up speed........and have you seen the price of them recently......many models under $20,000....with great ranges of over 250 miles and batteries that can be recharge to 90 percent in less than 30 minutes.... oh my as the price goes down on EVs what do you think will happen to sales???? you got an Econ degree????? Give us some insight on how it works ....price goes down and sales go.......?????? Clunker sales have peaked and now are heading downhill....escpecially in light of the fact that new EVs are cheaper than new clunkers...... How is that oil demand Hot and gettting Hotter???? I keep seeing downward revisions in demand these days ........Looks like your Demand is getting hotter was all based on China ???...How is that working out for you now?????? .hmmm not looking like China is betting their future on clunkers anymore. And China is the number one New car market.....oh that has to hurt your Luddite thinking The only thing you have left is you are hoping for war to support the price??????? Maybe Vlad can throw you some bones???? or your pals in Saudi???? maybe they can cut production again??????....Musical chairs is all you have left Global EV sales up 30.5% in September as China shines ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com 22 hours ago — EVs - whether fully electric (BEV) or plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) - sold worldwide reached 1.69 million in September, Rho Motion data showed. Sales ... InsideEVs The Facts Are In: It’s Not Looking Good For Internal Combustion The "EV slowdown" is overblown. It's internal-combustion cars that are on their way out. . Jun 27, 2024 Edited October 15 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 15 2 hours ago, turbguy said: Yup. Sanity is somewhat rare these days. Particularly in Florida. They are gonna have to spend big $ to improve the electrical distribution system. Right now, some of it is a "patch it up" job, and we'll return later to fix it proper. It is "rare" to use electricity for those purposes for a very good reason...rationality. Save money. Very simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 15 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: Sounding like trump there. You think a Trump election win will help or hurt EVs after Musk bought him? Do you know that Occidental petroleum, that Buffett went long on, business model is based on carbon credit profits? Are you a better at predicting the economy than Warren Buffett? Do you think a super rich investor might have some powerful lobbyists manipulating policy? Gates is all for it too. The richest people in the USA want EVs and carbon credits. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oxy-Strikes-Carbon-Credit-Deal-With-Microsoft.html How many people are "rich" in America? That is what we call a "niche" market. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 15 1 hour ago, notsonice said: only in you and your pal old dickheads trailer parks are EV sales failing badly and going down.... then again when you buy old clunkers to begin with.......and piss away your whole allowance on putting a few gallons in the tank, buying a modern vehicle produced in the last few years is just not going to happen , is it? ... I do understand why you would be so jealous of those that are stepping up and dumping clunkers for EV's and try to paint EV sales as failing badly. It is natural that Luddites will try to downplay new Tech and how it is so much better than your Clunker world. then there is reality everywhere else EV sales are picking up speed........and have you seen the price of them recently......many models under $20,000....with great ranges of over 250 miles and batteries that can be recharge to 90 percent in less than 30 minutes.... oh my as the price goes down on EVs what do you think will happen to sales???? you got an Econ degree????? Give us some insight on how it works ....price goes down and sales go.......?????? Clunker sales have peaked and now are heading downhill....escpecially in light of the fact that new EVs are cheaper than new clunkers...... How is that oil demand Hot and gettting Hotter???? I keep seeing downward revisions in demand these days ........Looks like your Demand is getting hotter was all based on China ???...How is that working out for you now?????? .hmmm not looking like China is betting their future on clunkers anymore. And China is the number one New car market.....oh that has to hurt your Luddite thinking The only thing you have left is you are hoping for war to support the price??????? Maybe Vlad can throw you some bones???? or your pals in Saudi???? maybe they can cut production again??????....Musical chairs is all you have left Global EV sales up 30.5% in September as China shines ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com 22 hours ago — EVs - whether fully electric (BEV) or plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) - sold worldwide reached 1.69 million in September, Rho Motion data showed. Sales ... InsideEVs The Facts Are In: It’s Not Looking Good For Internal Combustion The "EV slowdown" is overblown. It's internal-combustion cars that are on their way out. . Jun 27, 2024 China, where the government pulls the strings. In North America and Europe EVs are sagging and slumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM October 15 34 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: China, where the government pulls the strings. In North America and Europe EVs are sagging and slumping. guess you did not like the fact that EV sales are booming......... Clunkers are doomed you did read that in both the EU and the US that EV sales are increasing............ did you bother to read the articles I posted?????? or do you ignore everything that goes against your Luddite posts???? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 16 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: How many people are "rich" in America? That is what we call a "niche" market. Haha. The rich are not the market in this case, they own the means of production. "China, where the government pulls the strings." Musk, Buffett, and Gates can pull on lots of strings... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,555 October 16 Ever notice when there's a large amount of agreement over "something", it begins to resemble the truth? Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature Abstract While controls over the Earth's climate system have undergone rigorous hypothesis-testing since the 1800s, questions over the scientific consensus of the role of human activities in modern climate change continue to arise in public settings. We update previous efforts to quantify the scientific consensus on climate change by searching the recent literature for papers sceptical of anthropogenic-caused global warming. From a dataset of 88125 climate-related papers published since 2012, when this question was last addressed comprehensively, we examine a randomized subset of 3000 such publications. We also use a second sample-weighted approach that was specifically biased with keywords to help identify any sceptical peer-reviewed papers in the whole dataset. We identify four sceptical papers out of the sub-set of 3000, as evidenced by abstracts that were rated as implicitly or explicitly sceptical of human-caused global warming. In our sample utilizing pre-identified sceptical keywords we found 28 papers that were implicitly or explicitly sceptical. We conclude with high statistical confidence that the scientific consensus on human-caused contemporary climate change—expressed as a proportion of the total publications—exceeds 99% in the peer reviewed scientific literature. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966 1 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 16 28 minutes ago, turbguy said: Ever notice when there's a large amount of agreement over "something", it begins to resemble the truth? While I agree with this consensus, an appeal to majority is a logical error. There are many examples in history where a singe person was right and had to fight back against the majority opinion. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM October 16 43 minutes ago, turbguy said: Ever notice when there's a large amount of agreement over "something", it begins to resemble the truth? Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature Abstract While controls over the Earth's climate system have undergone rigorous hypothesis-testing since the 1800s, questions over the scientific consensus of the role of human activities in modern climate change continue to arise in public settings. We update previous efforts to quantify the scientific consensus on climate change by searching the recent literature for papers sceptical of anthropogenic-caused global warming. From a dataset of 88125 climate-related papers published since 2012, when this question was last addressed comprehensively, we examine a randomized subset of 3000 such publications. We also use a second sample-weighted approach that was specifically biased with keywords to help identify any sceptical peer-reviewed papers in the whole dataset. We identify four sceptical papers out of the sub-set of 3000, as evidenced by abstracts that were rated as implicitly or explicitly sceptical of human-caused global warming. In our sample utilizing pre-identified sceptical keywords we found 28 papers that were implicitly or explicitly sceptical. We conclude with high statistical confidence that the scientific consensus on human-caused contemporary climate change—expressed as a proportion of the total publications—exceeds 99% in the peer reviewed scientific literature. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966 you do not need science papers to convince everyone that global warming is real and man-made. September has been one hot month, one for the records and October????? no need to get the boiler turned back on ............Maybe will fire it up on the 1st of November????? No frost in sight........ only question is how much longer do we need to run the sprinklers to keep the grass from getting scorched and to keep the tree roots moist so the trees will make it through the winter........Leaves have not even started to fall of the trees....... And for those living in Phoenix............. Hell on Earth brought to you by the lovers of Coal The Arizona Republic Heat records broken again as Phoenix experiences unseasonably warm October Thursday marked the 17th consecutive day of record highs in Phoenix, and this weekend isn't expected to be any different. . 4 days ago AZFamily Hottest September temperature ever recorded in Phoenix The Phoenix area recorded a high temperature of 117 degrees. That is, by far, the latest ever 117-degree temperature recorded during a calendar... . 2 weeks ago Yale Climate Connections September 2024: Earth’s 2nd-warmest September on record The year 2024 is virtually certain to surpass 2023 as Earth's warmest year on record. . 15 hours ago Earth.com September 2024 was the second-hottest month ever recorded September 2024 marked the second-hottest month, highlighting accelerating global warming and extreme weather events. . 6 days ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 16 3 hours ago, turbguy said: Ever notice when there's a large amount of agreement over "something", it begins to resemble the truth? Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature Abstract While controls over the Earth's climate system have undergone rigorous hypothesis-testing since the 1800s, questions over the scientific consensus of the role of human activities in modern climate change continue to arise in public settings. We update previous efforts to quantify the scientific consensus on climate change by searching the recent literature for papers sceptical of anthropogenic-caused global warming. From a dataset of 88125 climate-related papers published since 2012, when this question was last addressed comprehensively, we examine a randomized subset of 3000 such publications. We also use a second sample-weighted approach that was specifically biased with keywords to help identify any sceptical peer-reviewed papers in the whole dataset. We identify four sceptical papers out of the sub-set of 3000, as evidenced by abstracts that were rated as implicitly or explicitly sceptical of human-caused global warming. In our sample utilizing pre-identified sceptical keywords we found 28 papers that were implicitly or explicitly sceptical. We conclude with high statistical confidence that the scientific consensus on human-caused contemporary climate change—expressed as a proportion of the total publications—exceeds 99% in the peer reviewed scientific literature. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966 The "identification" of those papers uses simply a selection of words which are not specific as to the findings of the research, so that is not a good methodology. But this is not how science works, science is not a show of hands or a count of loyalty, it is a testing ground for hypotheses. Whenever this type of count is done, it is nothing to do with actual research, but rather political exercise to try and squeeze some headlines for a point of view. In real science, there are no points of view. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 16 9 hours ago, notsonice said: guess you did not like the fact that EV sales are booming......... Clunkers are doomed you did read that in both the EU and the US that EV sales are increasing............ did you bother to read the articles I posted?????? or do you ignore everything that goes against your Luddite posts???? Of course I read them and they did not show what you claim. I explained it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 16 3 hours ago, notsonice said: you do not need science papers to convince everyone that global warming is real and man-made. September has been one hot month, one for the records and October????? no need to get the boiler turned back on ............Maybe will fire it up on the 1st of November????? No frost in sight........ only question is how much longer do we need to run the sprinklers to keep the grass from getting scorched and to keep the tree roots moist so the trees will make it through the winter........Leaves have not even started to fall of the trees....... And for those living in Phoenix............. Hell on Earth brought to you by the lovers of Coal The Arizona Republic Heat records broken again as Phoenix experiences unseasonably warm October Thursday marked the 17th consecutive day of record highs in Phoenix, and this weekend isn't expected to be any different. . 4 days ago AZFamily Hottest September temperature ever recorded in Phoenix The Phoenix area recorded a high temperature of 117 degrees. That is, by far, the latest ever 117-degree temperature recorded during a calendar... . 2 weeks ago Yale Climate Connections September 2024: Earth’s 2nd-warmest September on record The year 2024 is virtually certain to surpass 2023 as Earth's warmest year on record. . 15 hours ago Earth.com September 2024 was the second-hottest month ever recorded September 2024 marked the second-hottest month, highlighting accelerating global warming and extreme weather events. . 6 days ago That is not climate change, it is just the weather. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,256 er October 16 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: That is not climate change, it is just the weather. 28 here in central Illinois....brrrrrrr 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,266 DM October 16 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ecocharger said: That is not climate change, it is just the weather. climate change is a result of long-term changes in weather patterns........... so when do you think the annual weather we have now will revert back to the weather of the 1970's or the 1870's ??? any day now????? weather patterns (IE hot and getting hotter every year) is induced by burning of coal and oil use on a massive scale so to your babble about it is just the weather................well the weather patterns is hot and getting hotter everywhere in the world and the result of this hot and getting hotter is drought , glacier and ICE pack dissappeance, sea levels rising , bigger and more hurricanes the list goes on and on and on...no shortage of scientific studies on the matter. Ask any one in Florida today and they blame the intense hurricanes on???? and the survey below was taken before the last 2 hurricanes as you say it is just the weather. 90% of Floridians Believe Climate Change is Happening Florida Atlantic University https://www.fau.edu May 14, 2024 — The latest survey found that 67% of Floridians believe climate change should be taught in schools. More than two-thirds of respondents have ... Edited October 16 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 17 7 hours ago, notsonice said: climate change is a result of long-term changes in weather patterns........... so when do you think the annual weather we have now will revert back to the weather of the 1970's or the 1870's ??? any day now????? weather patterns (IE hot and getting hotter every year) is induced by burning of coal and oil use on a massive scale so to your babble about it is just the weather................well the weather patterns is hot and getting hotter everywhere in the world and the result of this hot and getting hotter is drought , glacier and ICE pack dissappeance, sea levels rising , bigger and more hurricanes the list goes on and on and on...no shortage of scientific studies on the matter. Ask any one in Florida today and they blame the intense hurricanes on???? and the survey below was taken before the last 2 hurricanes as you say it is just the weather. 90% of Floridians Believe Climate Change is Happening Florida Atlantic University https://www.fau.edu May 14, 2024 — The latest survey found that 67% of Floridians believe climate change should be taught in schools. More than two-thirds of respondents have ... You mean, if you believe that "weather" is actually "climate change", then it must be? That is some powerful logical extension. Just don't let a climate scientist hear you say that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 17 46 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: You mean, if you believe that "weather" is actually "climate change", then it must be? That is some powerful logical extension. Just don't let a climate scientist hear you say that. Weather is not climate, however, the frequency of rare weather events can be used to measure the climate. Insurance companies have tables of how often certain events should happen. If a one-in-a-100-year weather event starts happening much more frequently than than one in a hundred years that is evidence of climate change. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 17 On 10/15/2024 at 4:30 PM, Ecocharger said: How many people are "rich" in America? Out of curiosity I asked chat GPT "How many people in the USA have a net worth over one million?" Chat GPT responded: "As of 2023, approximately 24.5 million individuals in the United States have a net worth of over $1 million, according to data from Credit Suisse's Global Wealth Report and other financial studies. This number includes those whose assets, such as real estate, investments, and savings, exceed $1 million, minus any liabilities like mortgages or debts. This group represents about 8-9% of the adult population in the U.S., making the United States home to the largest number of millionaires in the world." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,486 DL October 18 20 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Out of curiosity I asked chat GPT "How many people in the USA have a net worth over one million?" Chat GPT responded: "As of 2023, approximately 24.5 million individuals in the United States have a net worth of over $1 million, according to data from Credit Suisse's Global Wealth Report and other financial studies. This number includes those whose assets, such as real estate, investments, and savings, exceed $1 million, minus any liabilities like mortgages or debts. This group represents about 8-9% of the adult population in the U.S., making the United States home to the largest number of millionaires in the world." By subtraction the net worth of non-millionaires is over 90%...these are the folks who will be dependent on fossil fuel cars going forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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