GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

[notsonice + 1,266]

On 12/14/2024 at 1:59 AM, Ecocharger said:

California is having serious trouble with its attempt to force EV consumption onto a reluctant population.

It's over and done.

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-12-11/why-newsoms-electric-vehicle-mandate-is-in-trouble

"EV sales have stalled, clouding California's ambitious plans for all new cars sold in California to be zero-emission vehicles by 2035.

President-elect Donald Trump's plans to eliminate EV tax credits and slap tariffs on imports  could further weaken the EV market."

" Sales growth has stalled as potential buyers balk at high sticker prices and unreliable public charging. "

" The first big test for the governor's edict comes next year, when 35% of new vehicles sold must be zero-emission, up from 26.4% now. To hit that mark, EV sales would have to skyrocket 33%."

““I have not seen a forecast by anyone that that number is achievable,” Toyota North America Chief Operating Officer Jack Hollis said on a conference call with reporters last month. “Demand is not there.”

" Tesla deliveries are below expectations, Volvo has moved back its 2030 100% EV timeline, General Motors abandoned its 1-million-vehicle 2025 sales goal, and Ford has shifted some EV production back to internal combustion vehicles, the note reported.

Meanwhile, EV startups are struggling. California-based Fisker declared bankruptcy, while luxury EV makers Rivian and Lucid, whose vehicles draw rave reviews from the automotive media, have seen shares drop precipitously this year as the companies fall short of sales goals."

 

It's over and done.???? 

now back to reality.......looks like clunkers are losing the battle.........clunkers market share is now under 80 percent.......

 

enjoy the read and please check out the graph below.......Merry Xmas ....my gift to you

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=63904#:~:text=BEV sales continue to increase,market in 3Q24%2C a record.

 

next up Plug in hybrids will take a 10 percent market share away from the clunker world in 2025

the trend is not your freind.......

and where is your boss????? trying to buy Greenland????? Second try ????? oh my he has lost his way

BEV sales continue to increase, with the share growing from 7.4% of the U.S. LDV market in 2Q24 to 8.9% in 3Q24. The share of hybrid vehicle sales also increased, with hybrid vehicles making up 10.6% of the U.S. LDV market in 3Q24, a record.Dec 4, 2024

 

U.S. share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales reached a ... - EIA

 IN-BRIEF ANALYSIS

DEC 4, 2024

U.S. share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales reached a record in the third quarter

This TIE has been updated to reflect a data correction.

Data source: Wards Intelligence
Note: EV=electric vehicles, including both battery electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles

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The share of electric and hybrid vehicle sales in the United States increased again in the third quarter of 2024 (3Q24), reaching a record. Combined sales of hybrid vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and battery electric vehicles (BEVs) increased from 19.1% of total new light-duty vehicle (LDV) sales in the United States in 2Q24 to 21.2% in 3Q24, according to estimates from Wards Intelligence.

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[turbguy + 1,556]

11 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

I agree some fossil fuels may still be needed but not coal.  Coal power plants can be retrofitted to natural gas and there is plenty of gas.

Never say something "cannot" be done - it is just a matter of will.

You also fail to understand that you do not need to satisfy demand.  Sometimes the crying toddler shouldn't get anymore ice cream.

I agree that nat gas can fuel a boiler.  If you don't have the pipeline available, and also need to spend millions to retrofit/modify the boiler system, coal still remains attractive.  Plus, you can store quite a lot of it on site.

Note that I said WORLD demand.  Replacing all the coal BTU's with nat gas BTU's is gonna require a whole lotta nat gas.

It can be done, but certainly not overnight. A decade or two?  Sure!

Crying toddlers are the customer.  Who's gonna tell the customer to stop bawling? 

As I have said, electric power is HIGHLY addictive.

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

12 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Crying toddlers are the customer.  Who's gonna tell the customer to stop bawling? 

As I have said, electric power is HIGHLY addictive.

The government / energy regulators.

I'm not suggesting limiting energy use by the average consumer.  I just think if some AI data centre, Bitcoin mine or some other blockchain crap like NFTs is causing brownouts they could be curtailed instead of saying we "need' way more power.

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[turbguy + 1,556]

9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

The government / energy regulators.

That only seems to have an effect on the customer if there is an ongoing war, started by the enemy.

There's money to be made supplying those potentially "non-critical" loads.  LOTS of it!!

Large load customers already commonly agree to be an interruptible load, for a reduction in cost.

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[TailingsPond + 1,013]

2 hours ago, turbguy said:

That only seems to have an effect on the customer if there is an ongoing war, started by the enemy.

There's money to be made supplying those potentially "non-critical" loads.  LOTS of it!!

Large load customers already commonly agree to be an interruptible load, for a reduction in cost.

Lots of money, true.

The other option is to just tax the crap out of it.  You will find people "need" a lot less electricity if it becomes expensive.  The US is going to "need" a heck of a lot less stuff soon if the stupid tariffs arrive.

A friend of mine had a rather large Bitcoin mine, it was profitable for a while then the power rate went up - he did the math and turned off the mine as it was no longer profitable.  So you can reduce consumption using "sin taxes" like they do for other "addictive" products like alcohol and tobacco (in most places). 

 

[Old-Ruffneck + 1,256]

On 12/25/2024 at 11:49 AM, TailingsPond said:

I agree some fossil fuels may still be needed but not coal.  Coal power plants can be retrofitted to natural gas and there is plenty of gas.

Never say something "cannot" be done - it is just a matter of will.

You also fail to understand that you do not need to satisfy demand.  Sometimes the crying toddler shouldn't get anymore ice cream.

India Adds 4GW of New Coal Power Capacity in 2024 | OilPrice.com

Try and explain to India that coal is "bad" and since no natural gas in pipelines or LNG is viable at the prices. Live with it.

India Takes the Lead in Oil Demand Growth | OilPrice.com

And even more crude!!! They have no natural resources so, they are guaranteeing they're future ahead of time. Population growth demands more and more energy!

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[turbguy + 1,556]

6 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

A friend of mine had a rather large Bitcoin mine, it was profitable for a while then the power rate went up - he did the math and turned off the mine as it was no longer profitable.  So you can reduce consumption using "sin taxes" like they do for other "addictive" products like alcohol and tobacco (in most places).

So, the market rate went up. Not "taxes"?

Your friend should negotiate for lower rates with the supplier (if possible).  Like time-of day or interruptible rates.

(Unless he is too small a user to bother with).

A new tax imposition upon a necessity isn't going to be very popular with the voters (aka, toddlers).

Edited 28 minutes ago by turbguy